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Should an author having racist personal opinions affect how their writings are viewed?

>> No.19028912

>>19028900
They put these labels because Banned Books Week is coming up, and these books have been banned for those things before

>> No.19028927

>>19028912
Oh? That just made picrel based lmao. Yeah they banned this before bc this guy was racist, anyway, on sale now!

>> No.19028948

>>19028912
Oh. I was seething for a moment but that’s based.

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>>19028912
Yeah the store had a bunch of them, some for pretty funny reasons

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>>19028951

>> No.19028965 [DELETED] 

>>19028900
some people just don't want to read violence or racism. it's fine.

>> No.19029001
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>ring me up everything with the racist and antisemitic stickers, love

>> No.19029017

>Should
No, I wouldn't say so, at least not nearly to this degree. Not if society knows what's good for it, but it really does seem to have it out for itself sometimes.

>> No.19029029

>>19028951
1984 is pro communism!?

>> No.19029050

>>19028951
KEK please be real

>> No.19029062

>>19028900
In all honesty yes. I mean, it'd change everything for (You) if you found out an author was a liberal, or God forbid, a Jew.

>> No.19029080

>>19028900
if you took this photo please, i beg you, throw a fucking brick into that window.

>> No.19029125

>>19028900
If an author is racist that’s almost always going to show up in their work.

>> No.19029131

>>19028951
>pro-communist
The state of America.

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>> No.19029146

>>19029029
Holy fucking jesus, all americans have congenital brain cancer

>> No.19029151

>>19029142
This store is hilarious. I'd go buy

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>> No.19029171

>>19029080
See >>19028912

>> No.19029180

>>19029140
Kek, they even banned Goosebumps?

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>> No.19029195
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19029195

Are they selling his books too?

>> No.19029200

>>19028900
Lol. This is my cousin’s store. He is very sensitive

>> No.19029204

>>19029146
Orwell wrote 1984 to be a statement against Stalinist russia. He himself was a disgusting socialist

>> No.19029208

>>19029029
Yes.
Animal Farm is anti Stalinist, pro Trotsky too.
Orwell was a communist.

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>>19029195
I didn’t see it
>>19029200
What city is it then?

>> No.19029220

>>19029142
Based China
Shakespeare is ass.

>> No.19029228

>>19029195
I dunno about the bookstore, but in my local library (in the heart of Liberal California), Mein Kampf i(along with other radical stuff like the Communist Manifesto) was put on display during Banned Books Week once.

>> No.19029229

>>19029195
I only think his book was ever actually banned in germany

>> No.19029236

>>19029204
>d-disgusting socialist!
No one who is against Stalin is a socialist (except Tito). Seethe.

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>>19028951
>1984
>pro-communism

>> No.19029242

>>19028951
lol John green can’t even get his wimpy books banned

>> No.19029258

>>19029209
Texas

>> No.19029265

>>19029258
That's a state, not a city, anon. I've never seen these in my texas city's half price stores. I'd bet it's austin. They have that absolutely huge half price up there.

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>>19029258
Wrong, it was in St. Paul

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>>19028900
How much can I bet that the most banned books are not listed?

>> No.19029278

My university did one of these "Banned/Censored books week" and one of the books they put in display was The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

>> No.19029279

>>19029168
So these aren't really trigger warnings, this is to make a point at how banning books is a retarded practice, right?

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>>19029168
>SHAKESPEARE WAS BANNED IN CHINA!!!
That's not even true, China loves Shakespeare.

>> No.19029320

>everyone ITT missing the point
https://bannedbooksweek.org/about/

>> No.19029321

>>19029293
Calm down wumao, it's referring to various reasons books were banned throughout history. 1984 isn't banned in America was it was during parts of the Cold War, but it still got listed as a banned work.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1871337/xi-jinping-reveals-uk-he-sought-out-banned-works

>> No.19029324

>>19029321
Yeah, I get it, I just hate americans.

>> No.19029325

>>19028900
it seems like in this case HPB is using those as a selling point
Dare I say based?

>> No.19029337

>>19029324
>I just hate americans.
We know, you will never shut up about it.

>> No.19029341

>>19029146
>anti-totalitarian book in favor of system that requires totalitarianism to implement. Either Orwell was just as much of a retard as 21st century Bio-Leninists or you’re just a retard

>> No.19029381

>>19029341
Imagine having this reading comprehension level.
Good G*D, murica needs to be nuked into oblivion

>> No.19029420

>>19029236
>wahhhh Orwell wasn’t a socialist
…strange, did the communists he fought alongside in Spain against Franco get the memo? Are you legitimately retarded?

>> No.19029532

>>19028900
it's even funnier considering lovecraft rescinded his racism later in life as well as considering himself a socialist

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>>19029337
No, I won't.

>> No.19029652

>>19029617
anon you need to work on your fuzzy select skills.

>> No.19029662

>>19029420
Not only that, a major theme in 1984 is sexual liberation. He was obviously a liberal faggot on the edge of communism.

>> No.19029722

>>19029236
>No one who is against Stalin is a socialist
you must be an illiterate conservative or a leninist. retarded either way.

>> No.19029798

>>19029142

I see, and why would China banning Shakespeare (a communist country) prevent me (an american, I'm not, but in this case supposing this is in America) from buying it, considering that America is against communism ? Does someone really decide to not buy a book because it's banned in China ? This store is made by retards for retards, may they die as soon as possible.

As for OP's question: an author's works should be judged by themselves, not by the character of the person that wrote them.

>> No.19029819

>>19029029
>>19029050
>>19029131
>>19029240
All of you niggers need to get off /lit/ right now. Getting fucking filtered by Orwell is embarrassing.

>> No.19029868

>>19028900
Weird. The answer's lodged within the question, yet has nothing at all to do with the game as it's being played today, which is detecting the racial views of authors who may not otherwise seem to possess them: teasing out racism, as it were.

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>>19029193
Pajeet

>> No.19029939

>>19029273
Texas is what local hipsters like to ironically call the city

>> No.19030194

>>19029029
>>19029146
>>19029204
>>19029381
1984 is anti-authoritarianism. All the things he mentions in his books were happening in the UK or the Soviet Union, and he just put them all together to create the ultimate dystopian authoritarian hellhole.
>b-b-b-b-b-but he was a communist!
At no point does 1984 speak in favor of communism. It speaks against State overreach, the use of propaganda and fear to manipulate the population into compliance, etc.

1984 itself wasn't pro-communism, even if Orwell himself was.

>> No.19030391

>>19029420
>strange, did the communists he fought alongside in Spain
>the communists
You mean the Trotskysts?
Spying on your "friends" and selling them to the secret service outed him as a traitor of the working class. Simple as.
Read. The. Books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

>> No.19030409

>>19029819
You have to either be trolling or are genuinely a 100 IQ breadtube watcher

>> No.19030619

>>19028900
sure
if I can choose to not read a book because the author is a raging SJW, they they can choose to not read a book because an author is racist too.

>> No.19030688

>>19028951
Lmao

>> No.19030816

>>19028958
Okay, I'm saving this. Fuckin gold

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>>19028900

racism makes the writing more interesting

>> No.19031299

>>19030391
>big shock, socialist ends up being a hypocritical faggot
So that’s a yes on you being an illiterate faggot?

>> No.19031318

>>19030839
>i-it's good because it's racist!
Holy jesus, what a child.

>> No.19031320

>>19031299
>socialist ends up being a hypocritical faggot
Therefore, not socialist from the start.
Are you mentally challenged? This is not hard to grasp.

>> No.19031323

>>19031318
>i-it's bad because it's racist!
ditto

>> No.19031324

>>19031318
yes

>> No.19031332

>>19031320
>Trotskyism isn’t communism
We get it, you’re a bumbling inbred retard champagne socialist who’s never dealt with real problems and real socialism has never been tried. Stop posting, it’s embarrassing.

>> No.19031333

>>19031323
Except I never said that.

>> No.19031336

>>19030194
This. The midwits will never get it.

>> No.19031344

>>19031332
>ditto
Champagne socialists are trotskyists, you fuckin idiot. You think they support Stalin of all people?

>> No.19031347

>>19031333
but you agree that it's not an argument?

>> No.19031359

>>19031347
Of course.

>> No.19031396

>>19029798
I just want you to know that your impression of an illiterate retard is pretty funny. You really sold the "I don't understand that the store wants to sell these books" perspective of an absolute simpleton. I'd call your character a spear-chucker, but I don't think he'd be able to grasp the basic aerodynamics involved. Excellent work.

>> No.19031426

>>19031359
so why is >>19031318
an argument?

>> No.19031501

>>19031426
Racism or antiracism has nothing to do with how good a writer is, that's like saying that having brown hair makes a you better athlete

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>>19029208
>>19029146
Orwell was not a communist. He held eclectic views but defended Trotsky (though was deeply critical of him in private) and fought with a Trotskyite militia. It would be more accurate to say he was a democratic socialist though even that may not be completely accurate. He held some reactionary social views and attitudes and paradoxically was quite classist in the English tradition. He was not a Marxist-Leninist.

>”huuuurrr Wikipedia says he’s a leftist”
>*doesn’t read any of Orwell’s essays/letters on politics or Trotsky or how he would describe himself or how others described him
Orwell on Lenin:
>”For several years it was all the fashion to be a ‘Bolshie’, as people then called it… of course the revolutionary mood extended to those who had been too young to fight, even to public schoolboys… We retained, basically, the snobbish outlook of our class, we took it for granted that we could continue to draw our dividends or tumble into soft jobs, but also it seemed natural to us to be ‘agin the Government’.”

Orwell on Trotsky:
> “It is probably a good thing for Lenin’s reputation that he died so early. Trotsky, in exile, denounces the Russian dictatorship, but he is probably as much responsible for it as any man now living, and there is no certainty that as a dictator he would be preferable to Stalin, though undoubtedly he had a much more interesting mind. The essential act is the rejection of democracy; once you have decided upon that, Stalin—or at any rate someone like Stalin—is already on the way.”

Orwell is foremost a democrat and a humanist and that makes him insanely based and makes the low IQ cannon fodder useful idiots on this board who desperately want to be maimed or die for some faggot <6ft dictator like Stalin or Hitler seethe

PS (for the gentleman I directly responded to): You Redditors legitimately need to shut your fucking mouthes before I stomp your head into fucking paste after humiliating you just now.

>> No.19031581

>>19028900
depends if you hate niggers or not

>> No.19031603

>>19028900
Yes, it should affect them positively

>> No.19031668

>>19028951
>>19029242
>John Green
>WARNING: Pro Faggotry

>> No.19031742

>>19028900
Yes. Their works should be viewed in an even higher regard.

>> No.19032042

>>19029180
To be fair, many of those stories and endings are pretty fucked up, even for adult standards.

>> No.19032091

>>19029324
Rentfree. Keep seething while we never give your people a cursory thought.

>> No.19032192

>>19028900

Damn, looks like BASED niggas are going to be enjoying those discounts!

>> No.19032439

>>19029279
Yes, it's a week dedicated to promoting books that countries, and localities have censored throughout history.

>> No.19032443

>>19029279
anon... come on now

>> No.19032448

>>19029080
Why? It's a bookstore taking part in banned books week.

>> No.19032467

>>19032448
Neither of the books in the OP were banned

>> No.19032479

>>19032467
Right, kids today say "cancelled" in Lovecraft's case. It's not just a week for bringing up outright nationwide banning. Plenty of books that get banned in certain school districts, cities, states, etc. get shown off as well.

Those books are anthologies so maybe a few stories have been challenged or the author's personal views led to his stories being taken out of libraries in a few big cities or something

>> No.19032482

>>19028900
>Should an author having racist personal opinions affect how their writings are viewed?
Yes, we should view it more positively.

>> No.19032486

>>19031318
Nigger!

>> No.19032518

>>19028912
>Walk in
>Buy every book labelled banned for racism

>> No.19032647

>>19028900
imagine being this fragile

>> No.19032658

>>19029168
banned in china for not supporting state ideology seems like the lowest bar for getting into banned books week

>> No.19033289

>>19032658
It provides good comparison when libtards ban shit for equally absurd reasons

>> No.19033544

The most offensive thing about this is just how uncontroversial these books are. It's a marketing gimmick designed to make the Reddit mind feel like they're brushing against the line and being risque. Put some Jared Taylor of Kevin MacDonald on the shelves and then we can talk. These people are actually banned.

>> No.19033612

>>19028900
What is an acceptable level of violence?

>> No.19033634

>>19031344
All just meaningless labels in the end for entropy supporters who must go through retsrded mental gymnastics in order to justify their own powerlust

>> No.19033704

>>19033634
this. it's all just shades of involuntary egoism

>> No.19033836

>>19029273
"a trash novel"
understandable really

>> No.19033841

>>19029062
Quit projecting, faggot. Some of my favourite authors are jews

>> No.19033843

>>19033634
Cringe.

>> No.19033917

>>19029532
a lot of his racist writing feels like autistic, adventuristic rambling desu. like he's playing around with funny concepts. probably wasn't a serious racist or anything

>> No.19034205

>>19029652
Fuzzy select is cryptojew american hoax. This is third world quality, nigger.

>> No.19034219

>>19031501
But some people can be more interesting to someone because of a certain hair color. The poster is a weeb so don't be surprised

>> No.19034555

>>19033544
>Muh muh muh white supremacy books tho

Nah snowflake, nobody wants to read Nazi eank, /pol/ is that way ->

>> No.19034845

>>19034555
What do you mean by the word snowflake?

>> No.19036146

>>19034845
Snowflakes are a beautiful, intricately designed, totally unique natural phenomena that glorify God in their existence