Is Lolita a Love Story?

[Anonymous No.19027653]

I think it is, I've been thinking about it.

A major theme of the book is doubles. Humbert's double is Claire Quilty, that's obvious enough, and so is his reflexive name, but I don't hear many people reach the conclusion that Dolores' double is Lolita. Dolores, the actual person, is not present in the novel, we don't know anything about her - her hair, eye, or skin color, anything about her personality. Its only Humbert's idea of her, Lolita, that he cultivates and ultimately obsesses over. I think this obsession and the way it consumes him is enough to make Humbert a lover, even if he may not be in love with anything tangible.

If all else fails, Its a story of a European falling in love with American culture and the English language. I'm not speaking about Humbert, I'm speaking about Nabokov.

[Anonymous No.19027662]

It's about how europeans are all pedophiles.

[Anonymous No.19027663]

>>19027662
>Ameritoid ruled by pedos calling anyone else pedo

[Anonymous No.19027668]

>>19027662
>she was only 17 years and 350 days old, just a tiny innocent baby!!

[Anonymous No.19027876]

>>19027653
That's every love. Love does not last nor is strong enough unless based on idealization.
The moment your loved one's actions stop being filtered by your attraction for her they look less magical. The good looks less good, the bad less tolerable.

[Anonymous No.19028023]

>>19027668
she was 12

[Anonymous No.19028030]

>>19028023
Funny thing is that Nabokov was old enough to remember when the age of consent was 12.

[Anonymous No.19028040]

>>19028023
old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

[Anonymous No.19028049]

>>19028040
this

[Anonymous No.19028075]

>>19027653
>Dolores, the actual person, is not present in the novel, we don't know anything about her - her hair, eye, or skin color, anything about her personality.
this is a pointless take since it can go for literally everyone in the entire book, and every novel ever written for that matter

[Anonymous No.19028141]

>>19028075
I'd say it's maybe more true for Humbert and Dolores because he was obsessed by what she represented rather than who she was.

[Anonymous No.19028146]

>>19027653
>Is Lolita a Love Story?
yes, one sided love, but love nonetheless

[Anonymous No.19028527]

>>19027653
Idk, reading through it for the first time now. It is giving me a big boner and I don't know how to feel about that....

[Anonymous No.19029358]

>>19027653
>but I don't hear many people reach the conclusion that Dolores' double is Lolita.
Any retarded chick on goodreads can figure this out and this point is hammered over and over and over again by midwits who review the novel. Not saying you are one, but it's not in any way original to reach this conclusion.

I do think Lolita is a love story. What people tend to ignore is the part towards the end, when Humbert admits to still loving her despite her being older and pregnant with another man's child. However, Humbert's love is not enough to redeem him and all his horrible actions up to that point. Neither is killing Quilty, which in a way is him killing himself.

[Anonymous No.19030094]

>>19029358
Humbert may have had horrible thoughts, but in terms of actions he wasn't that bad.

[Anonymous No.19030119]

>>19027653
Lolita was not in love with Humbert Humbert. If anything, 'love' was one-sided.

[Anonymous No.19030121]

>>19030094
What?

[Anonymous No.19030365]

>>19027662
>fpbp

[Anonymous No.19030421]

>>19028030
"Remember" no - he researched it quite a bit, even reading case files to understand the rationalizing tendency as opposed to an unapologetic one. This is also the answer to the thread, because you're listening to an evil man spin lust (or Nabokov's concept of possessive-love, which appears in his other works) into love

[Anonymous No.19030447]

>>19030421
Love, at least romantic one, always stems first and foremost from lust.

[Anonymous No.19030735]

It's about what obsessive love does to a nigga.

Nabokov explained his inspiration being this story of a monkey who painted the bars of his cage: the work of art reflected all he could see. HH's love for Lolita (real or imagined) was a prison for him. And then for her, too.

[Anonymous No.19030749]

>>19030735
Why did Nabokov chose a nymphet to represent the object of obsession though?

[Anonymous No.19032077]

>>19027653
>, but I don't hear many people reach the conclusion that Dolores' double is Lolita. Dolores, the actual person,
He basically reveals this in that play in the book about the huntress girl and the farm girl uniting in the end, symbolizing the unity of fantasy and reality, something Bogart failed to do

[Anonymous No.19033417]

>>19030421
there's a difference between affectionate lust and sadistic lust. Affectionate lust is based.

[Anonymous No.19033678]

>>19027662
when i was 20 i had a 17yo gf
is this pedo according to amerimart standards?

also: when i was 19 i dated a 15yo but nothing special

[Anonymous No.19033689]

>>19033678
no. first off, majority of us states have the age of consent at 16, not 18. secondly, many states have "Romeo and Juliet" laws which allow people in their late teens and early 20s to date and have sexual relationships with people underaged.

[Anonymous No.19034270]

>>19033678
Back in college I had a friend who was 21 dating a 13 years old.

[Anonymous No.19034365]

>tfw started feeling infatuated with an underage student of mine
Thank god I switched jobs as this was happening.

[Anonymous No.19034378]

>>19034365
Where do you live, anon?

[Anonymous No.19034392]

>>19034378
Third world Latin America

[Anonymous No.19034417]

>>19034392
Less dangerous then, albeit still arguably not worth it.
Back in my school times (also third world latin america) we had a case of a 28 years old female teacher fucking a 14 years old boy. She got fired obviously but nothing serious happened to her. Maybe because she was a woman and this witch hunt wasn't as bad back then.

[Anonymous No.19034452]

>>19034417
Yeah not worth it in any way. I was just very surprised and scared that I was starting to really enjoy giving her lessons. Saying goodbye must’ve also contributed to me feeling a little intoxicated about the whole thing. Out of sight out of mind now

[Anonymous No.19035443]

I kind of liked the book... it was progressing nicely. But then, it was revealed what a skank she is and he liked her for it. That was when the book completely lost its appeal and I just barely got through the slog. Not only a pedo, but a pathetic pedo at that... bloody hell. Anyone else feel the same?

[Anonymous No.19035480]

>>19035443
That's part of the Lolita foundation. It's a pubescent girl precocious both in body and behavior, as to simultaneously evoke childlike innocence and sexual maturity. The contrast is part of the allure.

[Anonymous No.19035577]

>>19027653
idk about that, but it definitely gives me a boner

[Anonymous No.19036988]

>>19028527
words written by a man caused you a boner
thats gay

[Anonymous No.19037012]

>>19036988
the girl you like is literally a man's sperm, you cant get any gayer than that

[Anonymous No.19037123]

>>19037012
woman literally has the word "man" in it

[Anonymous No.19037148]

>>19037123
I'm gonna puke...

[Anonymous No.19037411]

>>19037123
As if we needed any more proof real men like girls instead of women.

[Anonymous No.19037444]

>>19037411
BASED

[Anonymous No.19037936]

>>19027653
>Dolores' double is Lolita
she has a more concrete double, anabelle leigh, who humbert even identifies as her precursor and when he first sees lolita, he says something like anabelle had come alive again. something that must have passed through nabbys mind is anabelle being reincarnated in the body of lolita like in "ligea" which ties back to the allusion to poe in her name.
>If all else fails, Its a story of a European falling in love with American culture and the English language. I'm not speaking about Humbert, I'm speaking about Nabokov.
lukewarm thing to say when he said so himself. except not the culture part. pretty sure he hated parts of american culture. and hes not just any european, hes an autistic furniture fetishist
>Claire Quilty
ive always thought of him as the god of the story. hes a playwrite, hes behind the events, his name is a play on "quil" (also cruelty and guilty). nabby is the ultimate villian for writing the fates of his characters. he even gets out alive by rendering the last few chapters a fantasy with the dates. sellers immitating kubrick in the movie makes extra sense that way. anyways gotta pee

[Anonymous No.19038694]

>>19027662
this. he even has that faggot friend of his, Gaston.
the whole book is about subversive pedophilia and how gullible the general public is. there's a scene where the two pedos are playing chess and HH (heil hitler, humbert humbert) and their view is described as being perfectly arranged to get a glimpse of kids in the playground, and that some wise guys build a fence that gets in their way.
then the quilty riddle which is brilliant, frankly none of this has to do with love, and is a frank depiction of some douchebag murdering a girl's mother and kidnapping the girl and raping her for several weeks before another pedophile comes and steals her from him. the people who get fooled into thinking this is a tale of love are people who have a superficial and carnal opinion of love.
Valeria best waifu.

[Anonymous No.19038842]

>>19034270
based

[Anonymous No.19039239]

>>19027662
Of course we are pedophiles. Why wouldn't we like something good?

[Anonymous No.19039346]

>>19030094
Did you read the book anon?

[Anonymous No.19039429]

>>19027653
He did not love her, he deeply resents her and only claims to love her as a cope.

[Anonymous No.19039679]

>>19030094
anon, i...

[Anonymous No.19039684]

>>19037123
ok now that is gay as fuck