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Does anyone know how and when the modern day pagan religions got started? I'm having trouble finding information on this and books written by the people involved in starting this would be very helpful. Books about an overall history of modern paganism would also be helpful.

>> No.19000155

>>19000128
>modern paganism
Like wikka?

>> No.19000354

>>19000155
Wica, heathnry, druidry, any modern pagan movement/religion.

>> No.19000430

>>19000128
It hasn’t and never will LARPer

>> No.19000566

>>19000430
>It hasn’t and never will
Never will what? It's obviously a thing people do so it clearly had an origin.

>> No.19000588

It all stems from romanticism, reactions against modern materialistic science, rebellion against Christianity and modern nationalism. It’s basically a hollow LARP at the end of the day

>> No.19000594

>>19000128
I'm honestly leaning towards Animism. Neopagans are dumb larpshits though

>> No.19000805

>>19000588
>hollow

>> No.19000829

>>19000128
It's all grassroots. I don't think there is one major starter or figurehead, maybe some anthropology research will track it down to the start.

>> No.19001083

Neo-Paganism has about as much legitimacy as wicca (read: none). Ironically, the overwhelming majority of modern "pagans" would have been thrown into bogs by their forefathers. None of them read and study relevant literature (Eddas, Sagas, archaeological findings, etc.) as they consider it "problematic", none of them value family and kinship as these are inherently "right wing" values. It's fucking farcical.

>> No.19001099

/jRX2dATs
Join our new paganism server, all learners and believers are welcome.
Features:
-A channel where you'll find date converters and calendars for your faith
-Guides and ancient primary sources for beginners
-A channel to share pics of your sacred space
-Several roles for every brand of polytheist faith and philosophical school
-Theology, literature, history and philosophy channels
-A politically neutral community without idpol shit, progressives and ethnonationalist LARPers are banned on sight
Abrahamic believers and atheists may also join, but they have to agree not to proselytize or disparage the faith of the members of the community

>> No.19001690

>>19001099
can I make fun of you larpers there?

>> No.19002212

>>19001099
How certain can I be that I won't be trolled upon clicking that?

>> No.19002274

>>19000829
After doing some more research myself this seems to be the answer.

>> No.19002313
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19002313

>>19000128
britain
19th century
it was a reaction against anglicanism (which is a subdivision of islam)

>> No.19002328

>>19001099
>Link broken in 2 hours
Gay

>> No.19002731

It’s at once a rebellion against christianity and a natural product of the protestant worldview that the neopagans think they’re rebelling against- anticlerical, individualistic, antidogmatic, a yearning to recover something ‘pure’ to replace the ‘corrupted’ thing we have today.

There’s a book called Triumph of the Moon about the history of wicca which is the most significant neopagan movement in angloid world. I don’t know any books about neopaganism in general to recommend

>> No.19002785

I’ve read that neopaganism in eatern europe developed along a completely different and extremely based & redpilled line of thinking into something very ethnocentric but I don’t know much about it desu

>> No.19002791

>>19002785
That's just Paganism.

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19004221

>>19000128
WICCA? FOOTA!

>> No.19005731

Bump

>> No.19005749

>>19000128
I don't understand modern pagans. Even being a Christian is absurdly difficult today although if you live in a Western country you probably have churches still standing (unless you live in Canada). And you want to worship the Spirit of The Forest or Zeus? I understand that it's cooler to present yourself as a worshiper of the Norse Gods instead of a Christian (yikes y'all that's heckin' lamerino) but what the fuck do you hope to accomplish in practice? Most of Paganism is tied to the harvests, you don't have a harvest, you don't live in a forest. It cannot be anything but a LARP.

>> No.19005761

>>19005749
It's always good to read something before opening your mouth about it.

>> No.19005767

>>19005749
you can have sex with wicca sluts in a wheat field while invoking Demeter

>> No.19005781

>>19005761
Please enlighten this uncultured swine then, tell me how you go about your worship of Thor in your daily life.
>>19005767
>while invoking Demeter
Is that the god you invoke when you're being crushed by a 400 pound landwhale?

>> No.19005786

>>19005749
>what the fuck do you hope to accomplish in practice?
Do you become a Christians because God will give you free candies or because you actually have faith in God? 4Chan "religious people" are fucking pathetic, they always expect there to be some advantage to reap from practicing a religion, protip, neither the Norse Gods nor the Christian God is obliged to give you shit.

>> No.19005803

>>19005786
I am literally talking about accomplishing the practice of Pagan gods, not reaping rewards from said practice. You don't have any temples standing (not any that you can use in practice anyway). You only know a few half-assed accounts of the ceremonies and rituals, most of which are tied to a lifestyle that simply does not exist anymore. You don't have a canon or a community. The culture is completely extinct, religion is extinct even in its more popular and officially endorsed forms (hence the mention of Christianity), I literally asked how the fuck do you hope to be going about being a Pagan outside of literal LARP with fat goths.

>> No.19005813

>>19000128
>Modern Paganism
larping

>> No.19005827

>>19005803
>You don't have any temples standing
Are you even aware the old believers had a household cult and could create a sacred space pretty much everywhere? You're thinking in terms of abrahamic religions, there is no need for a huge golden cathedral building, your house is your temple where your altar is located. A sacred space is like another temple, but it's located outside.
>You only know a few half-assed accounts of the ceremonies and rituals
Reconstructionism is a big thing, do you think the Gods aren't aware of the state of the cults and won't answer you if you accidentally mispronounce a word during the rituals? Also, even ritual practices are subject to change, it's possible than even if polytheism made it down to our days with no interruptions, the old rituals would have been replaced by new and simpler ones.
>You don't have a canon or a community.
A lot of online communities, a couple of these are true believers at least, as for the canon we have mythological accounts and poems.

>> No.19005837

>>19005803
nu-4chan “christians” are an abomination
fucking hell

>> No.19005863

>>19000354
I don't think there is a single legitimate neo-pagan """religion""" in the West. It's all White women acting out.

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19005886

Gardnerian Wicca

>> No.19005910

>>19000128
I read pragmatism and got excited for a second. But it’s actually just a shitty litlet thread. Opeed.

>>19001083
You do realise that books weren’t really a thing back then. The oral traditions are lost and with that all belief and culture besides for written down, christianised icelandic myth and some faroese song.

>> No.19005956

>>19005827
>>19005837
I'm not talking from a Christian perspective. Can you tell me exactly how you worship whatever Pagan spirit you worship, and what your community looks like? Do you have a clear idea of what you are supposed to do to please the gods?

>> No.19006013

>>19005956
>Can you tell me exactly how you worship whatever Pagan spirit you worship, and what your community looks like?
You worship them by making offerings and praying in front of your altar or sacred space. Other ways to please the Gods are pursuing wisdom, pouring libations or composing hymns in their honor.

>> No.19006090

Most pagans spend their time online ranting against Christianity and posting artwork of pagan gods. They don’t agree on anything except mindlessly hating on Christianity and anything remotely similar to it, so they think that pagans were some sort of Nietzschean Übermenschen and most everything smacking of ‘Christianity’ is ridiculed as Jewish or a product of Christian perversion. The pagan revival is a giant LARP. It’s the definition of choosing a religion to fit ones political and aesthetic concerns while not actually believing it, and not even representing the actual traditions they ape accurately. Most don’t even believe in gods. Duuude it’s archetypes.. it’s allegories... only Christcucks believe in actual spiritual things!

>> No.19006108

Most 4chan christians spend their time online ranting against atheism and society and posting artwork of medieval artists. They don’t agree on anything except mindlessly hating on modern society, sexual liberation and anything remotely similar to it, so they think that christians were some sort of ultra-prudish tradcath crusaders and most everything smacking of ‘sex’ is ridiculed as Jewish or a product of atheist perversion. The twitter tradcath christian revival is a giant LARP. It’s the definition of choosing a religion to fit ones political and aesthetic concerns while not actually believing it, and not even representing the actual traditions they ape accurately. Most don’t even believe in God. Duuude it’s okay if i fap to traps... these passages are allegorical... only schizos believe in actual spiritual things!

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19006141

>>19000128
Out of the way, plebs, Lithuanian coming through

>> No.19006169

>>19005781
No one worships Thor, retard. Listen to him and read something before you open your mouth again.

>> No.19006186

>>19006108
>mindlessly hating on modern society, sexual liberation
hahaha I understood everything now

>> No.19006222

>>19006186
Yeah it might come as a surprise but most self-proclaimed 4chan christcuck LARPers are angry incel virgins seething at people who have sex. They even admit it themselves.

>> No.19006236

>>19006222
By "I understood everything" I meant that Pagan LARPers are just a bunch of trannies who want to have a religion that allows them to have orgies

>> No.19006267

>>19006108
Seething

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>>19006236
>immediately thinks of trannies
Absolute state of 4chan christcucks, porn addicts and pathetic seething virgins. Your sand jew cult will die by the end of the century.

>> No.19006600

>>19006236
>oh no this non-jewish religion doesn't subscribe to the same retarded moral codes of my cuckoldry cult :(
Though luck faggot

>> No.19006894

>>19006292
>Your sand jew cult will die by the end of the century.
Cope. When society implodes, people will turn to the God of the Bible long before they start crying for Priapus, Thor or whatever god has been put into a Marvel movie this year

>> No.19006919

>>19006894
Pretty sure they will just OD on brain pills

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19006920

>>19006894
Huh. Well today I learned christers are also accelerationists (nihilists). Go figure

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>>19006920
It has nothing to do with accelerationism. It’s just a fact as far as I’m concerned. If and when things get rough, the idols and false gods of modernity will not console them. Unlike with accelerationists though, any beliefs I have are not wholly dependent on this collapse happening, unlike those who constantly say ‘we need to destroy ZOG before we Whites go extinct!!1!1!’. The West has forsaken God and now will suffer the consequences.

>> No.19007509

>>19000829
>some anthropology research will track it down to the start.
I dont think that will be the case. Its not like the owrld pre 1900s where an zeitgest can more or less be traced to its origin. it was probably a number of people who read books on/about/adjacted to it, or enjoyed the aesthetic, or went to a class, or opera or later saw something on a computer then started something.

>> No.19007510

>>19007321
Was this thing really struck by a lightning?

>> No.19007893

>>19005803
fat goth girls are cute af though

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19007960

>>19007510
Yes. Judgement is about to come upon America. Psalm:17

>> No.19007969

>>19007960
9:17

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