The Denial of Death - Ernest Becker

[Anonymous No.18994093]

Worth reading or standard longnose drivel?

[Anonymous No.18994116]

>>18994093
It's interesting if youre into psychoanalysis i guess

[Anonymous No.18994174]

>>18994093
It's great shit

>Excreting is the curse that threatens madness because it shows man his abject finitude, his physicalness, the likely unreality of his hopes and dreams. But even more immediately, it represents man's utter bafflement at the sheer non-sense of creation: to fashion the sublime miracle of the human face, the mysterium tremendum of radiant female beauty, the veritable goddesses that beautiful women are; to bring this out of nothing, out of the void, and make it shine in noonday; to take such a miracle and put miracles again within it, deep in the mystery of eyes that peer out-the eye that gave even the dry Darwin a chill; to do all this, and to combine it with an anus that shits! It is too much. Nature mocks us, and poets live in torture.

Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

[Anonymous No.18994195]

>>18994174
That was quick. I searched the archive before making this thread and saw that most chatter about this book in the past few months has been you posting that quote.

[Anonymous No.18994205]

>>18994174
What a fucking cry-baby. Taking a good shit is a life-affirming experience.

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>>18994174
thanks for posting an actual quote, anon. but i disagree entirely with the sentiment. a brown amorphous blob is far from uninteresting -- it proves we're alive, albeit temporarily. A dead egg can't unscramble itself, but a living lusty human can procrastinate being a boring lump of death by cutting off a chunk of entropy from our main bodies. Likewise, think about what >>18994205
mentioned, the euphoric relief after a really good shit is one of life's great pleasures. The victory, the unburdening, the freedom, it's a temporary conquest of death and banality. everyhing I've written above are my sincere opinions.

[Anonymous No.18994374]

>>18994195
Yeah I have been shilling this quote from quiet sometime now.

>>18994205
>>18994285
Shite reminds me of my mortality. Where whole day I larp le significant clown, just look of shite slaps my face reminds me of my animality.

Some anon wrote in a thread few weeks ago that the friend of his grandfather died but not before shitting the chunks of his gut down in the fucking loo with lots of blood. This is what coming for all to us, these are limits of our animality and the absolute horror that comes with it.

[Anonymous No.18994384]

It will give you deeper insight into human motivation.
Seeing how everyone is animated by some 'higher' purpose or delusional belief about their destiny is interesting.
You will be able to see it more clearly in others, even those that supposedly are not foolish enough to pledge allegiance to some organization.
You will be able to see it in yourself.
The fear of death part is interesting, the presumed immortality a lot of us carrying around is interesting too.
The psychoanalytic stuff is not so useful to me.
I have seen the same ideas pushed by different men from different angles.
Cioran warned about finding meaning and "action" leading to nothin.
Evolutionary psychologists write about genetic motivations for human behaviors men trying to achieve something.
Becker is a piece of the puzzle.
The conclusions he reaches are too wishy-washy though.
Maybe the solution is to let go of having meaning and still function

[Anonymous No.18995211]

>>18994384
>the problem of heroics is the central one of human life
Do you agree with this suggestion from the book's introduction? I found it pretty shakily justified and am skeptical of the rest of the book if it continues with this general formula of
>introduce idea
>justify with vague intuitive assertions
>cite one or two works that may or may not back up the introduced idea

[Anonymous No.18995410]

>>18994093
It’s Jewish propaganda. I don’t take Kike thought seriously. Read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit get an in depth documentation of these heretics.

[Anonymous No.18995422]

>>18994093
It's pretty good. The sections about Freud are a bit pointless and navelgazing but otherwise solid book.

[Anonymous No.18995459]

>>18994174
>: to fashion the sublime miracle of the human face, the mysterium tremendum of radiant female beauty, the veritable goddesses that beautiful women are;
More like Ersnt Becker - Denial of Sex, how desperate is this fag

[Anonymous No.18995603]

>>18995410
Serious or memeing?

[Anonymous No.18995736]

Not worth reading. The book could have been less than 20 pages long.

[Anonymous No.18995742]

>>18994093
>reading works by "academics"
NGMI

[Anonymous No.18995776]

>>18995603
Anyone who uses the word "heretics" on a forum is memeing whether he means to or not

[Anonymous No.18996424]

>>18995736
Oh yeah?? Well let's read your book you fucking cunt.

[Anonymous No.18996486]

>>18994174
When I lived in a dorm a bunch of us took mushrooms. Two of the guys who had done it before started talking about how you shouldn't take a shit while on psychedelics (I thought they were just being drug hipsters...flaunting their experiences with drugs to us other 18/19-year-olds).

Anyway, a girl who was part of our clique, who had barely ever smoked weed or had any freedom from her parents, ended up going into the bathroom (we didn't really notice she was gone...because we were all tripping). She came out god knows how long after disappearing, having a panic attack and balling her eyes out. She went into detail about the smells coming out of her body and had shit all over her hands. None of the other girls would go near her (I went into the bathroom to get towels for her). She had somehow shit all over the toilet and on the floor. I started laughing and told those guys she must not have heard their conversation (still, the towel and her focus on rubbing her hands clean calmed her down).

The girl stopped hanging around as much and last I heard she dropped out and married some guy from her high school.

[Anonymous No.18997335]

Bump, opinion seems split between lukewarm but worth reading and standard longnose drivel not worth the time

[Anonymous No.18997394]

>>18997335
Are you fucking retarded? If you want to read then just read the fucking book. If you want something shorter but precise then just read Zapffe's The Last Messiah. Nonetheless this book stands on it's own and builds up a solid argument. If you're a fag who cares for empirical evidence then look into Terror Management Theory.

[Anonymous No.18997410]

>>18994174
>dude if pretty girls exist...
>then why poop exists too?!

holy fuck this faggot lmao, that's a whole lot of words to say nothing but "I'm a massive queer who oversentimetalizes shit like hot womens' faces because I'm a jewish cumbrain", not a chance i'm reading this bullshit

[Anonymous No.18997416]

>>18997394
Thanks for the recommendations and abuse anon

[Anonymous No.18997529]

>>18994205
>>18995410
>>18995459
>>18995736
>>18997410
Kek, fucking shite loving animals are seething

[Anonymous No.18997899]

>>18997529
Schlomo philosophy does not belong on this board. You faggots go to some other forum.

[Anonymous No.18997931]

>>18997899
His thesis is similar to Tolstoy and Zapffe so there is no conspiracy you literal subhuman /pol/tard. And stop speaking for the board you filthy tourist.

[Anonymous No.18998125]

>>18994174
>It is too much
It isnt?

[Anonymous No.18999979]

>As anal play is an essential exercise in human mastery, it is better not interfered with. If the adult anxiously cuts it short, then he charges the animal function with an extra dose of anxiety.
>It becomes more threatening and has to be extra-denied and extra-avoided as an alien part of oneself. This extra-grim denial is what we mean by the "anal character." An "anal" upbringing, then, would be an affirmation, via intense repression
>Penis-envy, then, arises from the fact that the mother's genitals have been split off from her body as a focalization of the problem of decay and vulnerability. Bernard Brodsky remarks about his female patient: "Her concept of woman as fecal greatly stimulated her penis envy, since the lively erectile penis was the antonym of the dead, inert stool"
>Phyllis Greenacre--outstanding student of the child's experiences--had already remarked on this same equation in the child's perception: penis = movement, therefore life; feces = inertia, therefore death
Definitely not drivel

[Anonymous No.19000700]

>>18999979
this can't be real

[Anonymous No.19000704]

>>19000700
That's what psychoanalysis is like, it is truly hilarious people take it seriously

[Anonymous No.19000772]

>>19000704
Well, that's why I asked /lit/ before sinking some of my life into this one.

[Anonymous No.19000798]

>>19000772
This guy is the unironic version of those shtiposts about "bros girls dont poo right"

[Anonymous No.19001035]

>>19000700
It's all real. Every word.

[Anonymous No.19001429]

>>18997416
>Thanks for the recommendations and abuse anon
Good boi

[Anonymous No.19001448]

>>18999979

The book unfortunately had to be a part of the Freudian Cathedral of Bullshit to even get published, it was the 1970s.
You pick the most retarded sections and post them, great. Parts that have absolutely nothing to do with the central thesis.

[Anonymous No.19001469]

>>18999979
We have animal drives. How is he wrong? Women constantly walk around like wounded victims.

[Anonymous No.19002380]

>>19001469
>Penis-envy, then, arises from the fact that the mother's genitals have been split off from her body as a focalization of the problem of decay and vulnerability.
How is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.19002596]

I was looking forward to this book but I just couldn't get with the Freud.
It really is nonsense. I wish there was a Frood-less version.