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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 05:50:49 2021 No.18991541 File: 128 KB, 1000x617, 1612742300406.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, yes. I do love Berserk. How could you tell? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 05:53:35 2021 No.18991550 File: 266 KB, 900x1201, 1619120323735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why do people still jerk off over berserk when it hasn't been good since conviction (more than two decades ago lol)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 05:54:05 2021 No.18991554 File: 133 KB, 718x1024, 1618087224152.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] King

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 05:56:09 2021 No.18991558 File: 48 KB, 832x1000, gJ3AHDb3xDI17Kni.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why yes, i am about to listen to rain asmr while i read The Warrior Prophet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:05:16 2021 No.18991580 File: 169 KB, 1830x578, 1608944108500.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991558

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:07:29 2021 No.18991584 File: 467 KB, 973x1979, 1620742276303.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Checkmate chüds :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:08:07 2021 No.18991587 >>18991580 bakker put out another book you faggot

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:11:40 2021 No.18991596

>>18991580
Why would a guy who's a huge leftie schizo bother promoting his books (3 years after the last one came out) on a slow shitty 4chan board when he could post on reddit and have entire army of similarly-minded faggots slurp his dick? Take your fucking meds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:11:50 2021 No.18991597 File: 189 KB, 462x450, 1605349485259.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991584 >She liked the book. You literally can't make this shit up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:12:28 2021 No.18991603 >>18991584 didn't read

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:13:13 2021 No.18991606 File: 836 KB, 940x1101, 1617720572296.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991596 Read again, cück.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:13:59 2021 No.18991609 >>18991550 christ man.... BAD!!! I hate the Japanese attitude towards religion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:15:35 2021 No.18991615 >>18991606 >some guy who read Bakker's blog picked up a few words from him >THEREFORE BAKKER POSTS ON SFFG IM THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE Meds, BBC

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:15:37 2021 No.18991616 >>18991558 >rain in the desert >>18991596 >Bakker >popular on reddit Any normies who have heard of him hate him because he said men have a heckin rape gene or whatever

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:16:01 2021 No.18991618
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What are some decent fantasy novels set in a roughly late-19th to early-20th century setting? Basically right around the Boer War to WW1, mass adoption of cartridge fed rifles, armored trains, automobiles starting to rear their heads in large quantities, all that good shit.
Bonus points if magic and the growing technology interact with each other in a significant way (especially if magic and technology actually compliment each other since with most these things they're treated as opposing forces).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:16:29 2021 No.18991619 Hey Guys, its R. Scott Bakker here. Shout out to /sffg/ and like always... stay /lit/ty

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:16:59 2021 No.18991621

>>18991584
This woman’s entire argument about taking umbrage with “womanish” being used as a pejorative could easily be resolved if she thought about being described as “manly”. Which would insult her but be a compliment to a man.
No one is hating on women with that, it is the repulsive context of a man not acting/appearing as he should.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:17:08 2021 No.18991623 >>18991618 sorry bro fantasy with guns is pretty soi... Youjo senki was pretty good

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:17:11 2021 No.18991624 >>18991615 Didn't ask.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:18:18 2021 No.18991628 >>18991615 >Meds, BBC Did you mean to write "Meds, now"? Is it really that bad? I recommend that you take a break from the internet and stop watching porn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:19:10 2021 No.18991630 >>18991616 Bakker subreddit has 1700 members and 14 posters online right now, which while isn't crazy is still miles more than however many bakkerposters shitpost here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:19:55 2021 No.18991633 File: 91 KB, 1396x768, 1626671448263.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991630 >>18991616

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:25:31 2021 No.18991643 >>18991606 >>18991584 Using random umlauts makes you sound retarded anon. Is this your way if tripfagging?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:26:08 2021 No.18991646 >>18991630 >>18991633 for reference Sanderson has 80k, Malazan 34k 1-2k subscribers is really low by reddit standards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:29:51 2021 No.18991653 File: 39 KB, 474x355, 1612137162445.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991643 >sound retarded anon. >way if tripfagging? >Imagine calling others retarded when you can't even write.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:32:36 2021 No.18991665 File: 127 KB, 257x250, 1611154480702.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7qFEREVmc How can a cocaine addict be so based?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:33:22 2021 No.18991667 File: 485 KB, 799x1010, answerthequestion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991643 Filtered

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:35:46 2021 No.18991677

>>18991535
>Book Club
now: inhibitor phase https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56072402-inhibitor-phase

sep 15: wisdom of crowds https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40701780-the-wisdom-of-crowds
sep 26: the scar https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68497.The_Scar

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:36:49 2021 No.18991681
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>>18991535
What are some interesting pre-2000s fantasy stories/series that have gone below the radar of the mainstream? I legit know like 8-12 stories and thats about it - Black Company, Dragonlance, Dark Tower, Terry Pratchets works etc. As you can see most of them are relatively mainstream.

But surely there were more? Asking this because I stumbled upon a fantasy story written in 92 that had like 2 reviews on goodreads - bought dirt cheap for like 1 dollar. That story ended up blowing me away.

This got me thinking though, how many unnoticed masterpieces are actually out there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:39:46 2021 No.18991694 >>18991665 Wheel of Time is garbage sure, but Stephen King talking shit about another writer is like a retard talking shit about an downie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:40:53 2021 No.18991701 File: 92 KB, 1101x719, 1604226414308.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck is her problem?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:41:11 2021 No.18991703 >>18991694 part of the stand were really good, like some of the flagg parts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:43:22 2021 No.18991706 >>18991694 Similar reaction, I think he's just butthurt that his attempt at epic fantasy (Dark Tower) was a critical flop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:48:37 2021 No.18991721 File: 544 KB, 798x703, 1625258447020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991701 Literally pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:48:51 2021 No.18991722 >>18991665 but he's wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:49:44 2021 No.18991726 >>18991722 I agree, those books are so bland that anyone can read them. So they're not impossible to read, at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:51:14 2021 No.18991734 File: 164 KB, 2595x1783, 1611449400766.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fus4Xb_TLg Thank God these books were always dogshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:52:21 2021 No.18991737 >>18991618 Full Metal Daemon Muramasa

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:53:26 2021 No.18991741 File: 31 KB, 739x415, 5459C209-29A2-42D6-9E2A-A9CBA45E6ACC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone know of SFF with characters like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:54:14 2021 No.18991743 >>18991741 Like what? Gay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:54:25 2021 No.18991745 >>18991734 I loved WoT growing up and now I get to see it raped. It's an awful feeling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:55:30 2021 No.18991747 >>18991745 I wouldn't know. I'm very happy to see shit books getting a shit adaptation. Can't wait for the salty tears.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:55:37 2021 No.18991749 >>18991743 Sadistic, fucked up, and with a wicked sense of humour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:58:38 2021 No.18991753 >>18991747 that's how I felt watching asoiaf fags seethe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 06:59:05 2021 No.18991754 Is Kelmomas invisible to the Gods because he was to become the No-God?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:00:12 2021 No.18991761 >>18991753 Game of Thrones was a massive success, regardless. The Waste of Time will probably last 3 seasons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:03:05 2021 No.18991768 >>18991703 And then other parts included a mental ill arsonist jerking off another dude at gunpoint, I still don't get the point of that part.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:03:16 2021 No.18991769 >>18991761 I hope so. The less of the books raped the better.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:03:46 2021 No.18991774

>>18991681
Mainstream never really delves beyond the biggest names so that would disqualify 90% of books, but those you've listed are well known among communities interested in fantasy. Problem is most fantasy is incredibly derivative and bland meaning books get forgotten for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:05:23 2021 No.18991779 >>18991734 >minority casting and ugly people >we stronk women No thank you

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:05:58 2021 No.18991781

>>18991753
Whats there to seethe about? Good parts of Game of Thrones adaptation were really good, early seasons, casting was mostly on point, it only went to shit when they ran out of books and started their happy fanfic female empowerment hour which is easy to ignore as non-canon

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:06:45 2021 No.18991782
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flooding the female market via bag babies, deflating the female SMV....
picrel.
ectogenesis...think about it, its going to be possible in the next 20 years. being able to mass produce babies from a few sperm samples and then just 'aborting' the male bag babies. creating 100s of female babies to every 1 male baby.
Millionaires creating back alley counterfeit femoids. Food for /lit/ thought.

>inb4 clone army
I don't mean clones. I mean normal offspring generation but outside of the womb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:08:26 2021 No.18991787 >>18991781 Except for the fact that they were constantly complaining about every change

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:09:02 2021 No.18991789 >>18991782 Didn't ask.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:10:49 2021 No.18991796 >>18991789 Based.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:11:24 2021 No.18991798 >>18991789 Didn't ask whether you asked

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:11:50 2021 No.18991799 >>18991798 Not my problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:12:34 2021 No.18991801 File: 2.19 MB, 1818x2497, TheRiftwarCycleSeriesbyRaymondE.Feist34MP3AUDIOBOKCOLLECTION1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18991681 Basically the entirety of Riftwar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:13:11 2021 No.18991804 >>18991782 One of the AVP comics already did this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:16:09 2021 No.18991810 >>18991789 take your meds champ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 07:20:24 2021 No.18991818 >>18991804 which one bro?

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:04:40 2021 No.18991968

>>18991535
SOME SEPTEMBER 2021 RELEASES
ALIYA WHITELEY • From the Neck Up
ANTHONY DOERR • Cloud Cuckoo Land
CHARLES STROSS • Invisible Sun
ELLEN DATLOW, ed. • When Things Get Dark: Stories Inspired by Shirley Jackson
JAY KRISTOFF • Empire of the Vampire
JOE ABERCROMBIE • The Wisdom of Crowds
KRISTEN BRITAIN • Winterlight
LAVIE TIDHAR • The Escapement
NAOMI NOVIK • The Last Graduate
NINA ALLAN • The Art of Space Travel and Other Stories
PAUL WITCOVER • Lincolnstein
RICHARD POWERS • Bewilderment
S.T. JOSHI • Ramsey Campbell: Master of Weird Fiction
STEVEN ERIKSON • Upon a Dark of Evil Overlords
ALIYA WHITELEY • From the Neck Up and Other Stories
ALLAN KASTER, ED. • The Year’s Top Tales of Space and Time
ANDY MARINO • The Seven Visitations of Sydney Burgess
ANTHONY DOERR • Cloud Cuckoo Land
ANTHONY RYAN • City of Songs
CADWELL TURNBULL • No Gods • No Monsters
CASSANDRA KHAW • The All-Consuming World
CHARLES STROSS • Invisible Sun
J.R.R. TOLKIEN • The Nature of Middle-earth
JOE ABERCROMBIE • The Wisdom of Crowds
JONATHAN MABERRY • Empty Graveyards
JONATHAN STRAHAN, ED. • The Year’s Best Science Fiction • Volume 2
JULIET MARILLIER • A Song of Flight
KATE DICAMILLO • The Beatryce Prophecy
KRISTEN BRITAIN • Winterlight
LEE MANDELO • Summer Sons
MELANIE TEM • Absence
NAOMI NOVIK • The Last Graduate
NINA ALLAN • The Art of Space Travel and Other Stories
PAT CADIGAN & WILLIAM GIBSON • Alien 3: The Unproduced First-Draft Screenplay by William Gibson
PREMEE MOHAMED • The Annual Migration of Clouds
RAMSEY CAMPBELL • Born to the Dark
RICHARD POWERS • Bewilderment
RYKA AOKI • Light from Uncommon Stars
SARAH RAUGHLEY • The Bones of Ruin
SEANAN MCGUIRE • When Sorrows Come
SIMON R. GREEN • Jekyll & Hyde Inc.
STANISLAW LEM • Dialogues
STANISLAW LEM • The Truth and Other Stories
TJ KLUNE • Under the Whispering Door
WALTER GOODWATER • The Liar of Red Valley
ZORAIDA CÓRDOVA • The Inheritance of Orquidea Divina

http://locusmag.com/forthcomingbooks/

None !SFFG.n1h7M Mon Sep 6 08:06:20 2021 No.18991975
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>>18991535
Inhibitor Phase, Revelation Space - Alastair Reynolds (2021)
Although Reynolds states that this can be read as a standalone, I don't think he'd want to want to say otherwise. It's true that it can be, but I think that would be decidedly inadvisable. This books draws upon thirty-one years of Revelation Space stories, though mostly it references from the last-twenty two years. If you're someone who cares about getting all the references, you'll need to have read all his previous RS works before reading this. If that's too much, then having read Great Wall of Mars, the Revelation Space Trilogy, and Chasm City should be sufficient to recognize almost all of them. This takes place between the end of the final chapter of Absolution Gap and its epilogue and at the time of Great Wall of Mars for the flashbacks.
There are noticeable differences in this as compared to the RS trilogy. While I still consider it rather bloated for how much is accomplished in around 500 pages, at least he's improved his pacing and avoided skipping parts of the plot for whatever reason he may have had in previous books. The characters still have some very silly dialogue and questionable characterizations at times, though he's become better at presenting them consistently.
The weakest part to me was the plot. It's odd in that it's more of a fantasy plot than what I'd typically consider science fiction. This isn't necessarily undesirable, but it was strange to have read it in what's often described as a "Hard SF" series, not that I'd agree with that. If this were a fantasy story, it'd be that a wizard comes to find the chosen one who has to acquire the sacred keys to unlock the forbidden temple of the gods to acquire the holy relic of power to defeat the evil overlord. It was similar to that to me, but as science fiction. I don't know how much this would matter to the average reader because the purpose of much of it is to show off tech and do fancy space things.
The best part was that finally the Inhibitors are shown in battle and are given much more detail of how they go about destroying everything than has been shown in all the past books combined probably. I would have preferred much more involvement from them, but it wasn't meant to be. If there's another book, maybe it'll be about fighting them, but I doubt it.
Rating: 3/5

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:07:40 2021 No.18991978 >>18991968 Richard Powers in SFF?

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:07:49 2021 No.18991980

>>18991801
I wonder how many epic cycles I got energy for left in this life. These days I feel so weary starting stories that span more than 6 books. Most I ever went for was like 20 Horus Heresy books but only because they're written in the kind of prose you can consume with rapidfire speed and the plot doesn't matter it's just space marines going brrrr

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:09:21 2021 No.18991986 >>18991968 >>18991978 Also you/locus seem to have copied this list twice, half of it is the same author/book combos again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:23:52 2021 No.18992028 >>18991986 looking at their website it's because those books have multiples editions from different publishers. i guess different countries

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:33:03 2021 No.18992046 >>18991968 Why are books repeated?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 08:35:18 2021 No.18992052 >>18991677 I plan to read it soon but frankly the reason I started to read trough the RS universe was Chasm City, Conjoiners where also pretty interesting in Redemption Ark, but I hope it won't be limited to a ship's internal politics story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 09:13:25 2021 No.18992151 >>18991743 >Gay? no that is SJW, he means Hard Gay which is the based version

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 09:16:39 2021 No.18992164 >>18992151 At least we now know you're an American.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 09:35:34 2021 No.18992214 File: 231 KB, 342x504, 1599972277932.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bakker bros. We can't keep winning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 10:43:56 2021 No.18992446 File: 354 KB, 1920x1080, 1629021097784.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Someone just told me Dune is left-wing I always thought it was right-wing and not fit for todays political spectrum What say you, /sffg/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 10:50:58 2021 No.18992477 >>18992446 I think I don't care

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 10:52:52 2021 No.18992490 >>18992477 Me neither, but curious anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 10:53:02 2021 No.18992492 >>18992446 The correct answer is that it supports whichever political ideology would make the person you're talking to angry.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 10:58:30 2021 No.18992515 >>18992446 what's even political about it? its just pure fiction no gay hamfisting agenda

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 11:07:56 2021 No.18992551 china is so cringe only good piece of media that ever came out of there is infernal affairs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 11:36:32 2021 No.18992687 Reading Dune before the film, I'm on book 3 and Leto II just turned into fucking Spiderman? This is the weirdest shift in tone I've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:00:48 2021 No.18992793 >>18991754 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:06:20 2021 No.18992824 >>18991986 >>18992046 I suppose I should've done a bit more with it. I didn't look if there were. The full thing would've been too much for a single post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:11:07 2021 No.18992851 >>18992515 That's political in today's climate

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:12:05 2021 No.18992858 >>18992851 Everything is political nowadays, you mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:13:20 2021 No.18992867 >>18992551 That's Hong Kong, which wasn't really the same at the time of its release. There have been some mainland Chinese movies I've enjoyed though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:23:25 2021 No.18992921 >>18991694 King should stick with horror, thats his wheelhouse, fantasy isn't his forte

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:41:18 2021 No.18993023 >>18991584 I love how roastie-repellant Second Apocalypse is. There's probably not a single vaginoid that made it through The Filter That Comes Before https://youtube.com/watch?v=exDVJXYEFSM

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:45:32 2021 No.18993039 File: 343 KB, 1270x930, IMG_20210905_220408.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >are better than bakker

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 12:45:45 2021 No.18993041 >>18993023 She(>>18991701)'s still seething in the comments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:07:18 2021 No.18993166 >>18992446 >monarchy is left wing You're talking to a retard. >>18992515 Everything was always political.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:15:07 2021 No.18993199 >>18992551 China has the best classical novels of anyone, maybe except india

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:26:04 2021 No.18993282 >>18993039 I hate that obese downie and his novelized anime turds like you wouldn't believe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:27:40 2021 No.18993294 >>18993199 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:33:39 2021 No.18993332 File: 18 KB, 300x345, cs-and-cats.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cordwainer Smith

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:35:19 2021 No.18993338 File: 175 KB, 319x369, akka_2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I RENOUNCE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:46:07 2021 No.18993421 >>18993338 What are actually the ethnic makeups of Three Seas? Are Norsirai the last white people, and everyone else is a brownie?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:50:55 2021 No.18993465 >>18993421 Norsirai - Nordic Keytai - Mediterranean / Arab / Semitic Scylvendi - Scythian / Turkic Zeumi - African Xiuhanni - Mongoloid

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 13:56:41 2021 No.18993487 >>18993465 >Scylvendi - Scythian / Turkic More like German.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:08:30 2021 No.18993557

>>18992858
Politics is the way in which society is structured. Seeing as humans are shaped by, interact with and create it, it's utterly impossible to divorce any facet of human life that exists within the context of society from politics. But it's no surprise the usual brainlets that haunt this general, like you, can't wrap your two brain cells around something so simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:10:33 2021 No.18993568 >>18992515 >what's even political about it? are you fucking kidding me lmao you're talking about Dune

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:12:13 2021 No.18993582

>>18993421
>Are Norsirai the last white people
There are people of light complexion among Three Seas peoples, can't recall who exactly because there were too many names, should be in glossary. Also everyone who lives north of Three Seas civilization is technically white.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:16:01 2021 No.18993610
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>>18991535

I unironically found Christ at the Jungian fiction crossover junction between Carroll's Wonderland and the Judean Desert after reading Hegel. From my memory I was trying to rape and strangle Alice to brutal death alongside the spirits of Beria and Dirlewanger when Christ wandered across the Jungian portal and to stop me. The moment he pulled me off of Alice just as I was about to split her in half with my cock was when the sinly beast left me.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:35:45 2021 No.18993748

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:38:14 2021 No.18993762 >>18993748 How many times are you going to repeat this shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:41:43 2021 No.18993783 >>18993748 Full Metal Daemon Muramasa

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:51:56 2021 No.18993857 >>18993332 I like his stories and cats

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:51:58 2021 No.18993858 >>18993748 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 14:55:38 2021 No.18993892 I am looking for a light scifi series with no fighting, no overwhelming worldbuilding, easily accessible prose that doesn’t get too heavy, typical character tropes, and just a hint of globohomo. Is there anything out there like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:11:47 2021 No.18994024 >>18993892 The Darkness that comes before

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:15:47 2021 No.18994049

check it

why can't a company, a ratings agency if you will,
just get ct scans of a bunch of models skulls, like 1000s of the best looking men, 9/10s (maybe they come up with a formal way of rating men using some secret sauce algorithm). then simply average the sample bone structures of those men, and then release result as blueprints for cosmetic surgeons, and it for whatever reason its inevitably leaked on TikTok, so everyone has blueprints for the 'perfect' face, during the consultation stage with a cosmetic surgeon patients supply these ct scans, its become a TikTok trend, they get a comparison between the blueprints and and a CT scan of their skull to inform them on what custom implant dimensions would fill in their flaws their gaps.

Surgeons basically do it because there is so much demand. what are some /lit/ ways to develop this, I want to write covert incel /lit/? would a comic be my best format? You have many guys running around with the same face (although not really you'd be amazed how finely attuned we are to detecting the slightest difference in face)?

I dunno thoughts/insights appreciated

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:18:44 2021 No.18994076 >>18993610 Lord have mercy

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:27:42 2021 No.18994136

Can someone make a browser extension for Goodreads that filters out all the female reviewers?

Seriously. I don't think this would be too hard for someone who knows what they're doing. Like, get a list of the most common female names and remove any review by someone with those names.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:32:28 2021 No.18994167 >>18994049 They already do this with women. It's called catface, and it's fucking awful. 2mm of bone is incel cope.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:35:39 2021 No.18994187

>>18993748
if you are ok with the baroque style check out The book of the new sun , it checks all your points however comma you need to master delayed gratification to appreciate it
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i wanna read something like Gene wolfe but in a post apocalyptic setting rec me bros

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:53:28 2021 No.18994326 File: 164 KB, 319x402, michmichmich.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Improbably sweet and tender...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:58:19 2021 No.18994353 >>18992052 Conjoiners are main characters, but you don't see much of their society, a bit in book 2 and a Galactic North short story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:58:46 2021 No.18994357 >>18991623 >guns >soi ???????????

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 15:59:51 2021 No.18994364 >>18991665 Not enough preteen gangbangs for him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:00:16 2021 No.18994366 >>18991535 So what age range does YA cover these days? I see people 25+ reading as their primary source of fiction and they can't stand what they call adult fantasy or SF.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:00:21 2021 No.18994368 File: 65 KB, 680x661, Cu-gvzDW8AEdu0o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18994357 Imagine shooting a man like a little bitch, when instead you could run him through with a length of sharp steel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:01:41 2021 No.18994375 >>18994366 >So what age range does YA cover these days? Women

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:03:05 2021 No.18994387 >>18994366 most people read on the 8th grader level. that should answer both questions.

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>>18993557
>Politics is the way in which society is structured. Seeing as humans are shaped by, interact with and create it, it's utterly impossible to divorce any facet of human life that exists within the context of society from politics. But it's no surprise the usual brainlets that haunt this general, like you, can't wrap your two brain cells around something so simple.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:11:30 2021 No.18994427 >>18994366 It is a mindset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:11:47 2021 No.18994428 >>18993557 Peak normalfag post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:16:56 2021 No.18994450 File: 118 KB, 680x762, 1602696636883.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Inchoroi are subverting our kingdom!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:17:57 2021 No.18994456 File: 40 KB, 917x1661, 92f12a31def2e405989f77c7069d0eb5880910c7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18994450 >noo its the No God >he invented Black Seed to impregnate our women

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:18:08 2021 No.18994458

>>18994366
reason why they don't like "adult sf" or just plain classics is because they're not character-driven so there's no drama to keep a superficial reader engaged. not to mention they don't know shit about science or anything so they don't have the faintest notion about what's going on jargon kicks in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:20:15 2021 No.18994469 >>18994167 not even close to what i'm talking about knob. your unaware how much difference 2mm can , human mind is highly atuned to the slightest aspects of a human face

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:27:26 2021 No.18994515 File: 40 KB, 485x757, 1626799905499.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this book is fun but its not BASED! >its SJW!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:45:22 2021 No.18994625 >>18994326 Doesn't it take like an entire day to generate these?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:46:29 2021 No.18994635 >>18994625 I tried doing one earlier and it told me the wait time was 36 hours so I just closed the tab

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:52:12 2021 No.18994676 >>18994515 >>18994456 >>18994450 What type of mental illness is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:54:25 2021 No.18994697 >>18994676 There’s a bakkerfag who just wait around the thread until someone post something he don't like to post those images. He’s been doing this for a while now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:54:29 2021 No.18994698 >get really into a couple of books in a row and read them in a few days >struggle to then read anything that doesn't immediately grab me this is such a dumb compulsion but I get it like twice a year

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:55:49 2021 No.18994707 >>18994698 The worst is when you get a particular idea in your head and can't find any story to read that fits it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 16:59:11 2021 No.18994726

>>18994707
The one I get every now and then which is surprisingly hard to fit is "fantasy with lots of action and fighting but no focus on war/big battles" or "military scifi that doesn't focus on space battles"
Genuinely think I exhausted most stuff that fits the latter of those a few years ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:00:06 2021 No.18994733 >>18994697 I doubt that's a Bakker reader, but ok.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:04:45 2021 No.18994774 >>18994676 >>18994697 What were they?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:06:41 2021 No.18994790 >>18994733 It's obviously not. They guy is just vomiting catch phrases he read here without any context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:10:05 2021 No.18994810 >>18994726 >The one I get every now and then which is surprisingly hard to fit is "fantasy with lots of action and fighting but no focus on war/big battles" That's Sword & Sorcery, bro. Just read the original Conan tales by REH.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:31:31 2021 No.18994972 >>18994774 If you really must subject yourself to that nonsense, then open the archive link in the OP.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:37:28 2021 No.18995027 >>18994972 It was a mistake, but thanks for the info anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:39:20 2021 No.18995039 >>18994987 KING

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:41:38 2021 No.18995061 >>18995039 Yes, Burger King.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 17:42:32 2021 No.18995073 >>18995061 jejejejeje

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:12:36 2021 No.18995258 File: 429 KB, 716x456, bakker.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] which one is it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:13:38 2021 No.18995265 File: 158 KB, 316x375, unwashed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18994625 >Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:14:52 2021 No.18995271 >>18995258 literally me on the right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:15:59 2021 No.18995281 >>18995271 no lower third, that figures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:18:02 2021 No.18995291 File: 94 KB, 771x946, sindarin nobleman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18994625 >>18994635 Just run it in the background and go about your day, retards.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:40:09 2021 No.18995450
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>>18994076
The Father revealed himself to me through Robert Service's biography of Stalin and my other studies of brutal but great men. Rance is unironically one of the pieces of the puzzle to see the Father when pieced together, as are the brutal, outward, violent folks of the Iliad. Now, the Spirit is especially deducible with Hegel. To read the corpus of all philosophy, the is-ought problem, to read even godless texts, then to appreciate the order, glory, greatness, length, absolute scale of world, to sublate Aristotle's unmoved mover with Hegel's moved mover and the spirit is identifiable with supreme reason. Piece together the three pieces of the Father, the Son and the Spirit yet to be sanctified and you have the Holy spirit in a perfect Trinity that makes sense outside of sola scriptura. I was a hard-hearted New Atheist shitposter on youtube years back and now I am the ultimate Christf*g. Decidedly, my Christianity is the Christianity nearer to Omega. So Lord have mercy indeed, Amen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:40:17 2021 No.18995452 File: 63 KB, 855x962, 1630851302191.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There is literally, unironically nothing wrong with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:43:48 2021 No.18995464 >>18995452 Didn't ask.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:43:48 2021 No.18995465 >>18995452 left out sniffing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:53:32 2021 No.18995530 >>18995452 >stretched his legs >0

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:56:11 2021 No.18995543 >>18995452 Jesus Christ. What a terrible writer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 18:58:23 2021 No.18995557 >>18995452 based nyna

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:01:41 2021 No.18995576 >>18995464 meds are right there next to you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:03:27 2021 No.18995586 >>18995576 No, it's just your mum desu senpai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:03:58 2021 No.18995591 >>18995586 epic tranny attempt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:06:03 2021 No.18995605 >>18995543 >oh no characters have mannerisms Considering the word count in his books those numbers are very low for how often they're complained about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:13:54 2021 No.18995648 >>18995605 Don't defend shitty writing, you dirty little cocksucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 19:18:11 2021 No.18995667 >>18995605 I am really sorry that you don't have high standards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 20:21:34 2021 No.18996021 >>18995452 Need the amount of "death came swirling down" at Bakker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 20:25:09 2021 No.18996047 >>18996021 Bakker's favourite word seems to be 'Cataract'.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 20:28:22 2021 No.18996070

Recommend me some books with an overpowered wizard in them. Not only OP in magical ability, but in knowledge. Their power should shine through in the way they talk as well as what they do. The way they phrase things and the way they present themselves should give an idea that they are almost at the level of omniscience (even if they aren't).

Doesn't have to be the main character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 20:43:22 2021 No.18996159 >>18996070 My diary if you'll accept non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 20:43:50 2021 No.18996162 File: 19 KB, 323x187, 1630770495883.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >No sample chapters since 2014 >Disabled comments on his blog >Has a new graphic novel coming out and a video game he worked on No TWOW forever and ever.

Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:16:58 2021 No.18996346

>>18996162
It's ironic; the biggest aspect of grimderp is subverting the traditional tropes of Epic/Heroic Fantasy and the writer who kicked off the grimderp craze can't even finish his own grimderp series because he focused TOO much on subverting dem expectations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:27:59 2021 No.18996415 File: 42 KB, 500x334, 1615269501555.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18996346 He's subverting your expectations by leaving his work unfinished

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:32:31 2021 No.18996434 >>18996415 The utlimate grimderp move.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:39:42 2021 No.18996465 File: 195 KB, 342x444, coins.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] consultbros....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:40:40 2021 No.18996470 >>18996346 Say grimderp more

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:42:07 2021 No.18996484 >>18996470 No

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 21:56:32 2021 No.18996557 >>18994987 Mistborn was sold to me as complex adult fantasy and by the time I finished the first book I felt like a complete retard for believing them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 22:02:43 2021 No.18996584 File: 1.79 MB, 480x270, kek.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18996557 >Mistborn >complex adult fantasy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 22:06:26 2021 No.18996606 File: 9 KB, 236x214, 1591467595605.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18996557 If it took you the entire book to realise that you are one

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 22:08:47 2021 No.18996615 >>18996606 I realized it immediately but I don't drop books

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 22:53:49 2021 No.18996867 >>18996557 >Mistborn was sold to me as complex adult fantasy Was this person an adult virgin in a starched white shirt? Cause they were probably a mormon, for whom Mistborn was probably the most adult book they've ever been allowed to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 6 22:54:23 2021 No.18996873 >>18996615 >but I don't drop books Sounds retarded to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 00:37:17 2021 No.18997267 >>18996346 >Martin >grimderp Wat?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 00:40:05 2021 No.18997284 >>18997267 Did you just read those two words and nothing else in that post? I literally explained the biggest aspect of grimderp is subverting Epic Fantasy tropes and Martin LOVES subversion. Too much as it turns out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 02:40:53 2021 No.18997740 >Look at DnD >Rulebook filled with jarring and barely coherent aesthetics, like half orc Paladins with katanas and swashbuckling shields Is there a word for just making visual soup in SFF? Shouldn’t there be rules to worldbuilding?

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 02:52:59 2021 No.18997777

>>18997284
No, you talking potato, the biggest aspect of grimderp is being excessively...grim. This term could describe the atmosphere of hopelessness, decay, doom, intense suffering, blood, gore, rape, lack of justice and nobility, ruthlessness, betrayal and so on. ASOIAF is hardly any of that. It's a typical medieval fantasy with kings and knights vying for power. Also not every change to a trope is a "subversion" you dolt, nor is any sidestep from Tolkien

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 02:57:39 2021 No.18997794 >>18997740 is a consequence of consoom nerds getting into rpgs after critical role got popular. creativity isn't really a thing in mainstream rpg books anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 02:58:10 2021 No.18997795 >>18997777 wasted get

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 02:58:59 2021 No.18997798 >>18997740 you don't get it, for most people roleplayingames are about being as special snowflake as possible. Having jarring aesthetics that break world building is the point.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:00:16 2021 No.18997803

>>18997777
>the biggest aspect of grimderp is being excessively...grim.
Which is a subversion of traditional Epic Fantasy tropes, you absolute retard of a faggot. ASOIAF is grimderp; it is literally the series that kicked off the grimderp wave we've been drowning in for years now. Just because it isn't AS grimderp as other, later books doesn't make it not grimderp.

You have no idea what you are talking about so shut up and fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:11:32 2021 No.18997822 >>18996070 the aspect emperor series

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:12:09 2021 No.18997823 >>18997740 You sound like you have mild autism if something like this upsets you. It literally does not matter. If you don't like D&D shit then don't bother with it. I certainly don't. I don't lose any sleep over it and neither should you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:12:38 2021 No.18997825 >>18997803 not him but ur wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:13:27 2021 No.18997826 >>18996070 Raymond E Feist's Riftwar Saga has a character like that, Macros the Black, an immortal sorcerer who lives on an island. He's also the living avatar of the lost god of magic and slowly preparing to ascend to godhood

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:15:19 2021 No.18997830 >>18997803 No that guy was right, you have no idea what grimdark is if you think Martin qualifies. He's "gritty", but not grim.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:29:26 2021 No.18997866

>>18997825
>>18997830
ASOIAF is grimdark. This is a fact. ASOIAF isn't just "gritty;" it is subversive. That has always been it's main selling point and subversion is the main aspect of grimdark. Just because ASOIAF isn't AS grim and dark as something like Second Apocalypse doesn't make it not grimderp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:34:24 2021 No.18997875 fuck peter f hamilton

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:38:23 2021 No.18997890

>>18997866
ASOIAF is grimdark in the sense that it's violent and sexy and has a fairly grey view of human nature. But it's still a story with clearly defined heroes and villains; in that sense Martin operates in the mode of Shakespeare. What Bakker is doing is something far more bleak, disturbing, and less accessible to the general public. That's not a value judgement, they are just two very different authors.

I've always thought of Martin as a storyteller and Bakker as more of a tortured artist type.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:39:18 2021 No.18997891 File: 11 KB, 260x200, Peter-F-Hamilton.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18997875 why would you say this

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Anonymous Tue Sep 7 03:46:23 2021 No.18997908

>>18997890
>But it's still a story with clearly defined heroes and villains
That's because Martin's grimderp is a sorta ground zero (even though The Black Company was the first official grimderp series, but was far less popular and influential) so it isn't AS grim and dark as later series would become. But that is still up to each individual author to decide how violent or sexual they want to make their books. Excessive violence and sex isn't actually necessary at all for a story to be grimdark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 04:32:29 2021 No.18998020 >>18997866 You keep throwing around the word "subversive" like it has anything to do with grimdark, but it doesn't. It never has.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 04:37:06 2021 No.18998037

>>18997823
>You sound like you have mild autism if something like this upsets you.
Probably, I’ve checked for it but I got diagnosed with depression and psychosis instead.
>It literally does not matter.
I suppose so, I just thought genre fiction should have some standards instead of this erosion of borders and categories to make soup.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 04:50:16 2021 No.18998080 >>18998020 Yes it does, you fucking idiot. It's literally taking Epic Fantasy and subverting its traditional tropes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 04:56:32 2021 No.18998093

>>18998080
When people dis fantasy—mainstream readers and SF readers alike—they are almost always talking about one sub-genre of fantastic literature. They are talking about Tolkien, and Tolkien's innumerable heirs. Call it 'epic', or 'high', or 'genre' fantasy, this is what fantasy has come to mean. Which is misleading as well as unfortunate.

Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.

That is a revolting idea, and one, thankfully, that plenty of fantasists have ignored. From the Surrealists through the pulps—via Mervyn Peake and Mikhael Bulgakov and Stefan Grabiński and Bruno Schulz and Michael Moorcock and M. John Harrison and I could go on—the best writers have used the fantastic aesthetic precisely to challenge, to alienate, to subvert and undermine expectations.

Of course I'm not saying that any fan of Tolkien is no friend of mine—that would cut my social circle considerably. Nor would I claim that it's impossible to write a good fantasy book with elves and dwarfs in it—Michael Swanwick's superb Iron Dragon's Daughter gives the lie to that. But given that the pleasure of fantasy is supposed to be in its limitless creativity, why not try to come up with some different themes, as well as unconventional monsters? Why not use fantasy to challenge social and aesthetic lies?

Thankfully, the alternative tradition of fantasy has never died. And it's getting stronger. Chris Wooding, Michael Swanwick, Mary Gentle, Paul di Filippo, Jeff VanderMeer, and many others, are all producing works based on fantasy's radicalism. Where traditional fantasy has been rural and bucolic, this is often urban, and frequently brutal. Characters are more than cardboard cutouts, and they're not defined by race or sex. Things are gritty and tricky, just as in real life. This is fantasy not as comfort-food, but as challenge.

The critic Gabe Chouinard has said that we're entering a new period, a renaissance in the creative radicalism of fantasy that hasn't been seen since the New Wave of the sixties and seventies, and in echo of which he has christened the Next Wave. I don't know if he's right, but I'm excited. This is a radical literature. It's the literature we most deserve.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:04:47 2021 No.18998122 File: 63 KB, 900x1200, 1624291741806.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998093

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:07:24 2021 No.18998131 File: 1.70 MB, 320x294, 1622618692585.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998093 TD;DR. Didn't ask. Not my problem. Don't care. I accept your surrender.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:13:26 2021 No.18998149 >>18998093 See >>18998122 >>18998131

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:23:32 2021 No.18998181 >>18998093 How's the tobacco crop looking this year, Richard?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:25:20 2021 No.18998196 >>18998093 >Father...?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:27:54 2021 No.18998206 >>18998181 >>18998196 that's mr mieville

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:28:27 2021 No.18998208 File: 14 KB, 251x242, 1630327461126.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998093 this is copypasta from the supreme midwit cringelord china mieville

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:37:40 2021 No.18998234 File: 48 KB, 900x900, Eg6tL3IXsAE81nk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do you guys dislike it so much?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:51:01 2021 No.18998271 >Find a copy of The Earthworm Gods out in the wild >Pick it up with little thought >Get home and find out it is a collection of short stories set between book one and two Fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:51:18 2021 No.18998273 >>18998234 it's almost always written like it's aimed at children or retards

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 05:58:48 2021 No.18998305 File: 35 KB, 680x408, 1610509099383.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998234 Because it's dominated by cape shit writers and people trying to emulate them. We are the video-game audience now. Can't people see this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:02:21 2021 No.18998319 >>18998234 Can't stand the medieval Europe setting anymore. Bad writing. Focus on "worldbuilding" and "lore" over writing a good story. Series too long and dragged out with filler. Many reasons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:31:21 2021 No.18998413 >>18998234 it's a derivation from other derivatives

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:31:26 2021 No.18998414 >>18998319 How does one worldbuild while still keeping a good story, bros?

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:32:13 2021 No.18998420
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>>18998234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6d5bmyvzJc
You don't have to watch the whole thing, but just look at the sheer amount of shit that these people (which happen to be the biggest fantasy booktubers) are promoting. Check the video's description.

Only one or two series in there are worth reading.

It's also interesting to see that they seem to avoid certain authors altogether, for the sake of avoiding controversy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:33:43 2021 No.18998424 File: 339 KB, 2406x1306, 1626131180786.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDVJXYEFSM >She turned off the comments LMAO M A O You literally can't make this shit up!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:33:45 2021 No.18998425 >>18998414 Build the world in service of your story instead of the other way around. If you're sitting at your computer building a lore compendium then your book will be terrible. Also stop playing DnD.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:49:42 2021 No.18998474

>>18998234
Someone explained it best in the previous thread.
Classic fantasy authors were good authors who could write any genre but just prefered fantasy, modern fantasy authors can't write anything but fantasy because it's the only genre where they can get away with virtually no skill.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:52:40 2021 No.18998480
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>>18998414
>>18998425
Basically this, if your first goal is building the world instead of the story than eventually the story is just gonna become some contrived bullshit that serves no purpose but showing off your personal wiki.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 06:59:11 2021 No.18998496

>>18996606
it took me until the third book. the scene where elend goes around mindlessly killing hordes of enemies while brooding was so embarrassingly bad i had tears in my eyes from laughter. then the crux of the trilogy - the prophecy. arms, guys! weight on his arms! sazed has stuff on his arms! i was so mad at myself for not seeing how shit the books were earlier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:15:55 2021 No.18998540 File: 274 KB, 1508x2316, external-content.duckduckgo.com.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this science fiction or science non-fiction already ?

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:31:16 2021 No.18998589

>>18998420
the guy in that video put out a fantasy book and it's practically unreadable. i know that being critical is very different than being creative but you'd think someone who's somewhat versed in storytelling would be able to include at least the basics in their own work

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:38:09 2021 No.18998614 >>18991761 >The Waste of Time topkek

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:49:14 2021 No.18998636
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>>18998589
Critiquing things is a very simple skill, just look up any semi-"deep" book or movie or whatever on youtube and there will be literally thousands of videos ranging from half an hour to an hour talking about how "deep" it is and making all sorts of smart sounding theories and observations (which is also very easy to do, if you really stretch it you can make fucking Blues Clues sound like a Shakespearean drama).
Of course actually making something is very different, writing isn't even a skill, it's a collection of dozens of skills all coming together into a well crafted work, you have to consider thousands of things and how they all interact with each other before you even type out your first sentence. Just doing some autistic "world building," coming up with the most basic poorly thought out story you can with one note characters and immediately jumping in is pretty much guaranteed you're gonna end up with shit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:53:40 2021 No.18998653

>>18998414
World building should emerge out of the story and enhance the experience by making the world feel vast, mysterious, and detailed. This is not accomplished by dumping massive paragraphs of exposition on the reader or forcing them to listen to lectures from all-knowing explainer characters. These serve mostly to remove all mystery from the setting and take the reader out of what's happening. I can remember the last book I read that did this, it was Malice by John Gwynne. Not even a quarter into the first book and he couldn't resist blowing his exposition load all over my face like a rude cunt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:56:14 2021 No.18998664 >>18998424 Why though? Was /lit/ being a naughty boy again? Last I remember the comments were nothing but simps sympathizing that their queen had to go through a traumatic experience of reading a book that gave her uncomfy feels

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 07:58:30 2021 No.18998669 >>18998664 She's probably extremely thin skinned so even if 1 out of 50 comments wasn't praising her it'd give her enough incentive to just shut it down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:01:04 2021 No.18998676 >>18998664 See >>18991701 She got too many dislikes and negative reviews (Not really, but still too much). And now we know she browses /sffg/ as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:16:00 2021 No.18998724 File: 1.22 MB, 1200x1200, 1607905411333.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are most of you so annoyed when an author introduces his own humor during a drama scene?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:28:23 2021 No.18998787 >>18998676 Oh so that's who screeches about Bakker here all day every day, good to know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:42:26 2021 No.18998844 File: 69 KB, 367x451, 1605215590417.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998424 https://youtu.be/-COmL_NkN34 You literally can't make this shit up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:42:35 2021 No.18998845 >>18998653 does anything come to mind of stories with well done and natural world building?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 08:43:27 2021 No.18998847 >>18998844 Starts at 20:56.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 09:03:26 2021 No.18998916

>>18998845
Tad Williams does it pretty well I think. His stories are very languid, slow to build up, but very grounded in the experience of the characters. When you learn about his worlds you do it from the perspective of characters, and this colors your understanding of things. In some cases you get only fragments of information, or conflicting information, and it leads to speculation and genuine curiosity. I actually drew a relationship web while reading Shadowmarch to try and work out which mythological names referred to which deities in the 3 different scriptures. Mystery is the key, I think. Anything that can make you intensely curious has done a good job. Early Wheel of Time did that for me too, but unfortunately the payoff wasn't as good as Tad Williams' books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 09:11:15 2021 No.18998938 >>18998916 i'll check him out, thanks

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 09:33:12 2021 No.18999006
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>>18995452
This is amazing. Is this hosted online somewhere? Is there more? I was thinking about doing something similar.

I just got finished re-reading The Shadow Rising, and I came here to gush about it. It's so good, even on a third read. Maybe better now, because when I first began reading, my comprehension level was pretty low. I found it difficult to follow the undertones of the plot. But now that I have more experience under my belt, I was able to follow everything going on. So now I appreciate the book even more.

Also, this chart proves something that I was thinking. That Nynaeve's braid tugging really goes up in Book 4. I don't even recall it in the first three books. But it stood out in the 4th. This chart proves it.

You should include sniffing, and being given "a start" and "Fool man!"

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:07:17 2021 No.18999148

Hey /sffg/, I know fuck all about sci-fi so I wondered if you could help me.
I'm taking a test for a copywriting job and I've been asked to write something about a car that you would be able to find in a Philip K. Dick novel.
Do you know if he ever wrote anything about controlling AIs, something vaguely like HAL-9000 in Clarke's Space Odissey?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:23:37 2021 No.18999246 Just finished Tuf Voyaging, what should I read now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:26:16 2021 No.18999257 File: 391 KB, 1600x787, 1616542879807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18999246

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:27:15 2021 No.18999265 File: 51 KB, 332x500, 2AE5C9EE-68F9-4F06-A1A8-30BF3D5651BD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This book any good? I got it for like 50 cents on sale a while backbut now I don’t know if I should read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:30:02 2021 No.18999277 >>18994726 Hammer's slammers kinda fits for the second one

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:56:47 2021 No.18999415 >>18991606 It is amazing to me that this is still being posted over half a year later. A butterfly into a hurricane, I never would have guessed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:57:48 2021 No.18999423 >>18998424 >noo why won't this random woman let me harass her

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 10:58:50 2021 No.18999429 >>18999265 Yes, he's a great writer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:06:07 2021 No.18999465 >>18999415 He should just update his fucking blog.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:07:08 2021 No.18999468 >>18999423 No one is harassing you, Brittany. Learn to take criticism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:19:09 2021 No.18999540 >>18998234 Focus on '''''worldbuilding''''' rather than language to transport the reader.

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:20:55 2021 No.18999548

>>18998234
I don't because I actually read it instead of moaning about Sanderson

There is some bad stuff obviously but it's pretty easy to immediately tell when a book has a typical borderline ya style and plot. If you can't do that you really aren't that familiar with the genre

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:26:44 2021 No.18999576 File: 139 KB, 1024x1024, 1626704931194.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18999540 >worldbuilding

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:30:12 2021 No.18999595 >>18999581 Is this the power of modern fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:39:37 2021 No.18999639 >>18998424 Would Kellhus be able to read her face under that military grade makeup or he'd classify her as one of Consult's skin-spies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:43:45 2021 No.18999655 File: 10 KB, 319x233, which one.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] which should i read first

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:44:46 2021 No.18999659 >>18999655 >Not the first post from this IP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:45:29 2021 No.18999661 >>18999655 The 3rd one

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:47:00 2021 No.18999673 >>18999655 I'm a big hobb fan and I started reading bakker (very slowly) recently. it's good so far but don't judge it by its prologue

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:48:41 2021 No.18999684 >>18999655 Hobb's the better writer and it's the better series but there's more chance of you not liking it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 11:52:03 2021 No.18999699 >>18999684 >Hobb's the better writer No, not really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 12:32:15 2021 No.18999885 >>18999684 This. But the opposite.

None !SFFG.n1h7M Tue Sep 7 12:53:32 2021 No.19000006
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>>18991535
Chapterhouse: Dune, Dune #6 - Frank Herbert (1985)
This isn't how I wanted my time reading Dune to end, but I knew that this would the most likely outcome. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to connect with this final book at all. There were bright spots in the darkness, but they were far and few between. Overall I just couldn't be interested, invested, or care. Fortunately, this doesn't detract from how I feel about the first four books. There's nothing else I have to say.
Rating: 2/5

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 12:55:03 2021 No.19000016 File: 13 KB, 236x221, f6b8b99a3fd932329962accedfa3f9c6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18998234 >new fantasy bad >old fantasy good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 12:59:38 2021 No.19000034 >>19000016 All fantasy is bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:00:41 2021 No.19000036 File: 35 KB, 200x300, 33DC4892-41EC-45E5-9BFA-3957AFC2CA3E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >litrpg >no prose to speak of >talking heads >information dump why does this bullshit exist

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:03:50 2021 No.19000054 File: 81 KB, 645x770, 715.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19000016 >new fantasy SJW >old fantasy BASED

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:24:36 2021 No.19000150 >>19000034 except the one i like*

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:32:03 2021 No.19000195
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What do you guys think of this?

https://www.domestika.org/en/courses/2251-introduction-to-writing-science-fiction-and-fantasy?fbclid=PAAaYLKiUj2yHCxvSn6uNvK1dhrnkjRRIT66b8KXWM3IaBDdQpLT9NeZR4hO4&utm_campaign=0_WW_MIX_COURSES_i18n_DYNAMICCOVER_NCevent&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=facebook.com

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:39:39 2021 No.19000238 Is amazon kindle worth it? gene wolfe trilogy is not available in my country even in english so only option is to buy kindle version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:41:13 2021 No.19000244 >>19000238 just pirate it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:41:45 2021 No.19000248 how does the rest of the solar cycle hold up? I hear about BoTNS alot but not so much long/short sun-are they any good/worth reading? I need to stop with series, they exacerbate my compulsiveness, but if they're good I'll give them a shot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:44:34 2021 No.19000261 >>19000238 If you're gonna pirate books all the time an ereader is worth it If you're gonna buy I guess it depends on avaliability

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:44:40 2021 No.19000262 Any good fantasy that takes place in China?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:51:47 2021 No.19000305 >>19000238 Get the Oasis if you have the chance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:52:48 2021 No.19000312 >>19000305 That would be fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 13:56:48 2021 No.19000330 >>19000195 The way she holds her pen actually fucking scares me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:06:42 2021 No.19000382 >>19000262 The darkness that comes before

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:11:05 2021 No.19000406 should I read the Aspect-Redditor

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:29:13 2021 No.19000509 >year is about to end >no word on plans FUCK E WILLIAM BROWN FUCK NO RELEASES FUCK LIES FUCK DELAYS FUCK PAY PIGS FUCK PAY WALLS FUCK ENABLERS FUCK YOU

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:38:14 2021 No.19000577 File: 164 KB, 811x1049, 917.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19000509 >FUCK E WILLIAM BROWN >FUCK NO RELEASES >FUCK LIES >FUCK DELAYS >FUCK PAY PIGS >FUCK PAY WALLS >FUCK ENABLERS >FUCK YOU

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:45:48 2021 No.19000631 File: 45 KB, 600x600, face-disgust.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18999423 >harassment if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. why do some people think their shitty opinions are immune to responses?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:47:23 2021 No.19000646 >>18994366 >So what age range does YA cover these days? It's not really an age thing anymore so much as just being simpler versions of the genre they're written in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:52:51 2021 No.19000681 >>19000631 >why do some people think their shitty opinions are immune to responses? why do some harassers think their comments are immune to blocking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:54:27 2021 No.19000685 >>18998424 >entire shelf is fantasy dropped

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 14:56:24 2021 No.19000702 >>18998424 >bay-ker >muh-LAH-zin huh

Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:07:29 2021 No.19000763

>>18991535
finished first two of the book of the new sun. Started sword of the lictor today. wtf happened at the ritual with the serpent? and it just time jumps? I had to stop reading to go back and re-read the last couple of chapters. This series is fucking wild. lol and that witch swallowing a flashlight kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:18:41 2021 No.19000826 >>19000702 It is pronounced as Bayker though, I know it makes no sense, fucking leafs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:19:47 2021 No.19000835 File: 65 KB, 640x887, c7kygpccrbm61.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19000406 unironically yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:40:15 2021 No.19001008 >>18999655 Start with Hobb. Better writer and better series.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:44:16 2021 No.19001039 >>19001008 >>18999684 >fml* writer >better than God Emperor Bakker

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:57:26 2021 No.19001119 >>19000681 Not at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:58:50 2021 No.19001130 Hobb is just miserybait and turns to absolute shit the longer you read. No idea about Bakker, I stopped reading modern western fantasy before I got around to him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 15:59:44 2021 No.19001136 >>19001130 Bakker is just grimderp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:03:23 2021 No.19001165 >>19001130 Bakker is much the same, but unlike Hobb he has something more to his story than "watch these characters do things and read how they feel!" He also writes good battles/magic fights so that is a plus too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:04:30 2021 No.19001172 >>19001130 Bakker is the best the genre has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:10:29 2021 No.19001214 >>18991584 She's right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:14:11 2021 No.19001240 >>19001214 >The insults hurt my feelings, clearly the writer didn't know what he was doing and is a hecking b*got!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:42:01 2021 No.19001422 >>19001130 Never read Bakker, but Hobb is good. Misery yes, but well told misery. Why are we pitting authors against each other? Why is it always Bakker-fags trying to assert superiority over other authors?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:45:22 2021 No.19001451 >>19001422 >Why is it always Bakker-fags trying to assert superiority over other authors? I always figured it was just insecurity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:46:30 2021 No.19001454 >>19001422 >well told misery If your idea of well told is going on about muh emotions, shitty relationships and one-sided homosexual fujoshi stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:50:52 2021 No.19001482 >>19001454 Uhhh, yeah, that's right. Emotions make a story. If it's all just bang clang pow without emotions to back it up, then it's boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:57:32 2021 No.19001516 >>19001482 Somebody gets it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 16:59:44 2021 No.19001530 >>18998234 I dont, because I only read monster girl fanfictions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:00:27 2021 No.19001534 >>19001530 Links?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:10:27 2021 No.19001625 >>19001422 >Why is it always Bakker-fags trying to assert superiority over other authors? Because Bakker is a literally who, outside of 4chan /sffg/ and baker’s Reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:11:04 2021 No.19001633 >>19001039 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:14:14 2021 No.19001662 >>18991550 Because it has literary merits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:15:49 2021 No.19001680 >>18991633 Always knew bakkerfags were from Reddit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:17:46 2021 No.19001692 >>18991968 Any of them good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:19:07 2021 No.19001701 >>18991975 Always love it when I see you post. You’re one of the few who still effort posts on this General.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:19:45 2021 No.19001706 new thread >>19001704

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:32:51 2021 No.19001810 okay so... American authors are garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:33:46 2021 No.19001817 File: 51 KB, 382x382, 1618101672658.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19001810 >okay so... >American authors are garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 17:41:05 2021 No.19001863 >>19001482 >Emotions make a story. This is the shit that keeps fantasy in the gutter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 7 18:08:04 2021 No.19002050 Migrate >>>/g/83278413

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