/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18944831]

What chapter are you at frens? What do you find difficult?

[Anonymous No.18944855]

Latin 101 starts next week for me. Should I ignore all the coursework and do this book?

[Anonymous No.18945009]

>>18944855
You should do both in parallel

[Anonymous No.18945129]

The first chapter and I am already having a blast learning with this method. I like it way more than regular textbooks where you stomp grammar. I hope it stays this way throughout the entire book.

[Anonymous No.18945198]

Anyone used Assimil le latin?

[Anonymous No.18945229]

>>18944831
I've finished the first book. Starting Roma Aeterna this week.

[Anonymous No.18945255]

I finished it a few weeks ago. It gets quite hard towards the end. I especially couldn't wrap my head around gerunds and gerundives for whatever reason, so I had to use latintutorial's youtube videos for explanations. I found the poetry at the end very hard too.

I'm currently re-reading it and then I plan to re-read it a few more times along with doing the pensa again. I've also finished Colloquia Personarum and Fabellae Latinae. Pic related is the study plan I'm following (you can find everything on libgen).

[Anonymous No.18945267]

>>18945255
I, too, had a tough time with the poetry, and honestly with the supplements between Familia Romana and Roma Aeterna.

My suggestion is not to get too bogged down in re-reading everything. Maybe re-read once and then press ahead.

[Anonymous No.18945314]

>>18945229
How's your Latin? Can you read normal texts? How long did it take you?

[Anonymous No.18945702]

>>18945129
>I like it way more than regular textbooks where you stomp grammar
Only retarded academics have ever used this method.

[Anonymous No.18945806]

>>18945314
Not him but also going through Roma Aeterna.
>How's your Latin?
Bad. I only focus on reading. Absolutely no interest in writing.
>Can you read normal texts?
I'm fine with Pars II of LL, have to often check vocabulary though.
Anything in verse is still very hard because they completely break up sentences. Identifying the roles of words by declension is easy if they are somewhat in order but when poets start putting a pronoun, an adjective and a substantive of the same nominal group in non contiguous positions in a multiple verse sentence, it quickly reads like gibberish. I love many aspects of Latin but word ordering is just superior. Modern language got that right.
I also bought the Nova Vulgata and tried a few passages. Obviously there is new vocabulary but the structure is easy to understand. The Vulgate isn't intended as a difficult text, and having read the bible in other languages already makes it easier.
>How long did it take you?
Pars I? About two months. You can go faster if you don't read anything else besides.

[Anonymous No.18945964]

do you guys go straight from familia to aeterna without reading anything else like the historiae sacrae or the orberg style caesar etc?

[Anonymous No.18946020]

Just started chapter II, it's fun as fuck

[Anonymous No.18946124]

>>18945806
>Absolutely no interest in writing.
Writing helps with reading though.
>Nova Vulgata
Why? Just use the Clementine. Nova Vulgate is a fake.

[Anonymous No.18946683]

>>18946020
davvs malus est

[Anonymous No.18946701]

>>18945964
>do you guys go straight from familia to aeterna without reading anything else like the historiae sacrae or the orberg style caesar etc?

The more you read, the better. Ideally you will read all the supplements as presented in the picrel to >>18945255

[Anonymous No.18946718]

>>18946020
nooooo, how dare you infer the meaning from the context, just quit it and use wheelock like a proper adult!!1

[Anonymous No.18946732]

I remember when I finished reading LLPSI I still couldn't read shit in actual latin. I don't regret it but this book is ultimately a huge waste of time better spent on drilling ankis and personally translating simple latin texts.

[Anonymous No.18946771]

>>18946732
> It's a waste of time because I wasn't able to read texts aimed at educated native speakers after reading a reader for beginners.

What did you exactly expect to happen? That you will somehow magically match the native level of vocabulary just by making it through a book that can be completed in a month, if you're autistic enough?

[Anonymous No.18946780]

>>18946732
>thinking one book suffices to be able to read a language as complex as Latin
You're going to have to put more sweat into it than that.

[Anonymous No.18946783]

>>18946124
>Why? Just use the Clementine. Nova Vulgate is a fake.
Can you illuminate me what was supposedly wrong with the Clementine Vulgate that it was deemed to need an update?

[Anonymous No.18946806]

>>18946780
>>18946771
My point is that while the book certainly has educational value the same or higher degree of proficiency can be achieved through traditional methods such as parsing Wheelock. LLPSI is, at its core, just a rote memorization book with extra steps that are designed to make roting a bit more fun I guess. Like having a comedic narrative about a roman family or explaining the myths. LLPSI would make a great school material, but if you're learning latin on your own volition you should have the motivation already.

[Anonymous No.18946825]

>>18946806
Well yeah? By the author's own admission you're supposed to do this alongside other things, such as doing anki for vocab. The biggest problems you're going to face coming out of LLPSI are going to be vocab, a lack of bars for strong vs weak vowels, and ancient avtisti maximi using obscure word orderings or grammar to be maximus basum et rubrumcapsicum.

This goes for any language, however. You aren't supposed to do just one thing, you're supposed to be doing multiple things.

[Anonymous No.18946911]

>>18946806
Learning a language is not about getting down specific, isolated words and grammar rules but about building a coherent mental representation of them. You do it by parsing sentences. There's no way you will ever fluently read texts aimed at educated native speakers if you haven't spent time parsing these very rudimentary, basic sentences in every configuration imaginable. Quantity over quality. Think about it: a mere roman kid would spend thousands upon thousands of hours listening to the language spoken and you expect to catch up with an adult just by tossing some flashcards. Is it realistic? Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with flashcards. But they're not the whole story either.

[Anonymous No.18946933]

>>18946806
this is about my feeling with it. cambridge has much better stories and other methods are much better for self study. what i find is that LLPSI is mostly sustained by diehard immersion fetishists with a mediocre grasp of latin who simply like the idea of immersion learning methods.

[Anonymous No.18946964]

>>18946732
FR teaches all the grammar. Just drill vocabulary in parallel you should be able to read the Vulgate by the time you're done with the book

[Anonymous No.18946998]

doing the anki deck along side this helps so much
so you can focus less on the vocab and more on the grammar
I didnt start doing it to more than half way through the books and it still helps so much

[Anonymous No.18947030]

>>18946933
>who simply like the idea of immersion learning methods.
People like the idea of learning in the most effective way. WOW, can you imagine?

[Anonymous No.18947049]

>>18946998
i never understood using flashcards for latin, the vocabulary is so limited compared to a modern living language that whatever textbook you use is likely to give you a good working vocabulary by the time you're done

just use a word frequency list
https://dcc.dickinson.edu/latin-core-list1
to fill any blanks as you go along, but really, latin has such a small working vocabulary for intermediate proficiency (2000 words max compared to a modern language's 5000 or higher) that you should know most of them as you go along

not to mention how many of them are cognates of modern words you'll know already

>>18947030
it's not the most effective, you are obsessed with it in a weird way

[Anonymous No.18947058]

>>18947049
>don't use flashcards
>don't use llpsi
>u just basically know Latin bro
You're the one obsessed with being an idiot.

[Anonymous No.18947061]

>>18947058
calm down ma'am

[Anonymous No.18947737]

>>18947049
>whatever textbook you use is likely to give you a good working vocabulary by the time you're done
you know nothing kys

[Anonymous No.18949160]

I finished XVII :-)

[Anonymous No.18950226]

>>18947049
>whatever textbook you use is likely to give you a good working vocabulary by the time you're done

Is ~900 words that Wheelock will teach you "a good working vocabulary" by your standards? In any case, LLPSI contains twice that number and that with an ample amount of repetition, which makes it objectively a better textbook.

[Anonymous No.18950248]

Cicero makes no sense lol how will I ever read this stuff.

[Anonymous No.18950282]

>>18950248
wait till you stumble upon this guy

[Anonymous No.18950564]

>>18950248
going from LLPSI to Cicero is like going from The Very Hungry Caterpillar to Chaucer

[Anonymous No.18951192]

>>18950564
kek

[Anonymous No.18951206]

>>18944831
I can't understand how people in the Middle and Early Modern ages were able to learn Latin and Greek fluently to the point of conversing in it.

While today, even many trained classicists are barely able to understand written texts, let alone hold a conversation.

What changed? Were the old methods more intuitive or something?

[Anonymous No.18951217]

Why the fuck there are 4 threads about latin posted everyday? Just post in fucking /lang/
>>18923585

[Anonymous No.18951222]

>>18951206
Were they actually conversing?

[Anonymous No.18951246]

>>18951222
>>18951222
Bishops during Councils? I think that was the only shared language they had.
Random people? Of course not.

[Anonymous No.18951253]

>>18951217
Minime

[Anonymous No.18951291]

>>18951217
Because jannies move /lang/ to /int/ and this thread is about a book

[Anonymous No.18951297]

>>18951222
The elites certainly did.

Pic related was Cardinal Richelieu's right hand man. As a child, he apparently liked Latin and Greek so much he would sometimes refuse to speak any other language.

Similarly, George I and Robert Walpole communicated exclusively in Latin, since neither of them spoke the other's native tongue.