/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18942597]

Is it right to complain about fame if it’s one of, if not th strongest reason why your books sell?

[Anonymous No.18942605]

>>18942597
Then she should release a metal machine music type shite to filter out the fame.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18942691]

Seems she considering it from multiple angles
“Doesn’t work for anyone”.
Growing from the experience and perhaps writing an essay about it and how seeking it is pretty empty

[Anonymous No.18942776]

>>18942597
>complains about fame
>but does stylistic picture shots

[Anonymous No.18942780]

>>18942597

[Anonymous No.18942783]

>>18942597
Can someone explain to me who she is? Am I out of the loop or is she a literally who

[Anonymous No.18942813]

>>18942597
>Is it right to complain
no. wombs will though.

[Anonymous No.18942820]

>>18942783
>Am I out of the loop
Honestly yes. Even some of my normie non-reader friends know of her. She is an Irish contemporary writer and her novels usually contain some sort of power / class dimension that makes the media go nuts over her

[Anonymous No.18942837]

>>18942597
It's fine for her to complain about stuff she doesn't like. The wording complaint also shows why she's taken this "voice of a generation" mantle. A particular sort of vapidity in which the millennial, coddled and idealistic, treats all items of experience like steps on a self-help programme: "What is this, and is it good for me? I know this is life, but is it healthy?"

[Anonymous No.18942853]

complaining about fame is the dullest and most obvious thing for a writer to do. she sounds just like one of her vapid retarded characters.

[Anonymous No.18942878]

>>18942597
Fame sucks if you didn’t want it or you’re neurotic I imagine

[Anonymous No.18942901]

>>18942837
What should the right approach then?

[Anonymous No.18942982]

>>18942597
She could easily walk around without ever being recognized hardly 'famous'

Imagine being Kanye West or the queen or something .maybe then you can say someone about the difficulty of fame

[Anonymous No.18942992]

>>18942597
She has that chosenite facial structure. Is she...?

[Anonymous No.18943070]

Irish girls have no asses

[Anonymous No.18943096]

>>18942992
Looked at her early life and found nothing
> Rooney was born in Castlebar, County Mayo,[4] in 1991, and grew up there.[5] Her father worked for Telecom Éireann, and her mother ran an arts centre. Rooney has an older brother and a younger sister.[5] Rooney studied English at Trinity College Dublin (TCD), where she was elected a scholar in 2011.[6] She started (but did not complete) a master's degree in politics there, completing a degree in American literature instead, and graduated with an MA in 2013.[7] Rooney has described herself as a Marxist.[8]
> A university debater, as a student at Trinity College Dublin, Rooney rose through the ranks of the European circuit to become the top debater at the European University Debating Championships in 2013,[9][10] later writing of the experience.[11] Before becoming a writer, she worked for a restaurant in an administrative role.[12][13] She lives in Dublin.[7]
I think she's just your regular ugly looking potato-nigger/female writer.

[Anonymous No.18943129]

>>18942783
Sally Rooney is a hack writer from Sligo in Ireland. She then went to Trinity college and somehow got a 1:1 and became a scholar, the same as Samuel Beckett. She then wrote two books (with one coming out) where she self-inserts herself as the main character because she didn't actually have the college experience she wanted. Her books display bland American teenagers with their names changed to Irish ones with massive plot holes and unintentionally funny dialogue and scenarios, for example: In conversations with Friends her self-insert goes on a tinder date, the guy says he likes the modernist poets, specifically Yeats to which Mary Sue replies 'Yeah those fascists had good poetry I suppose' the guy goes silent and the scene ends. She is a literal cancer on Irish literature and only further allow the tentacles of the disgusting burger to infiltrate and kill Irish culture.
She has a lovely knack as well of just name dropping political, philosophical or literary names/genres etc to show off how smart she is but always comes off as retarded and out of place, my favourite comes in Normal People where right after the love interest picks up her self-insert after a big night out where she got high and drunk they, and I quote: 'discussed the Regan Administration and listened to Vampire Weekend' Absolute fucking dross and she fuels me with pure spite and hatred to write good stories about Ireland and our people and culture.

[Anonymous No.18943147]

>>18943129
Also forgot to mention she fucking hates Yeats and honestly thinks he's not good which should really show how fucking retarded she is

>>18943070
Our girls all do sport so their asses are always toned as fuck when you see them. Most girls I know have a great ass.

[Anonymous No.18943174]

>>18943147
>Also forgot to mention she fucking hates Yeats and honestly thinks he's not good which should really show how fucking retarded she is
Bit of a Johanna Schopenhauer thing going on there, maybe? "There can be only one famous writer in Weimar/Sligo"

[Anonymous No.18943187]

>>18943174
I will say if you ever go through Sligo it has a Yeats fetish since it was his adopted county but to outright hate the best poet the country and maybe the world has ever produced should be seen as pure lunacy. I have no clue why she is so revered because 70% of what she rights the ordinary Irish person doesn't ever experience of care about. I had the task of comparing her dogshit to Dubliners for college and it was fucking painful.

[Anonymous No.18943220]

>>18943187
Yeats is certainly one of my favourite poets, though I can't claim to have read all that many. He's one of the few anglophone poets I've really connected with - even memorised a few of his shorter poems.

[Anonymous No.18943224]

yeah! complaining about being famous will get me more book sales..te heee

god these "writers" are so annoying

[Anonymous No.18943230]

>>18943220
Yeats is also probably the best playwright Ireland has had as well and I recommend reading watching them. If you want to explore a bit of Irish romantic/modernism I'd also suggest Synge, he's a bit of a hipster choice but his plays are very raw and very true to life, the most accurate depiction of Irish conversation along with Gogarty and Joyce.

[Anonymous No.18943241]

>>18943230
Never read any of Yeats' plays actually. I think I'll do that, and take a look at Synge too. It's only recently that I've become interested in theatre. Thanks for the recs, anon.

[Anonymous No.18943260]

>>18943241
For Synge there's two main ones I reccomend. For something very byronic and light go for Playboy of the Western World. For something more raw and realist go for Riders to the Sea. Both are amazing. Beckett also has a lot of great plays but they go into the absurd, Waiting for Godot is the obvious and most well known.

[Anonymous No.18943268]

>>18943129
calm down you massive faggot

[Anonymous No.18943270]

>>18943230
Not him, but can you recommend good works from the pre-revival, but post-medieval era? Like, baroque and enlightenment era writers and such. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.18943278]

>>18943260
Got them written down, anon, thank you. As for Beckett, I recently read his trilogy and I'm actually planning to go see Endgame this autumn at the city theatre, depending on how the whole covid-19 situation develops in my country.

[Anonymous No.18943303]

some people are narcissists who crave fame
>pic related

[Anonymous No.18943305]

>>18942605
Because noone had ever heard of Lou Reed after that album right?

[Anonymous No.18943307]

>>18943129
I once got drunk with a girl at uni and went back to her room and discussed classic literature for two hours then went home. Not that unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.18943316]

>>18943268
Fuck you, our literary culture is the most important thing in the world to me of course I'll be seething when I see hacks make a mockery of it and be praised.
>>18943270
Honestly anon there's not really a lot. Swift would be main one for that period but I never really connected to him fully. During the enlightenment we became quite scientific so you have Robert Boyle creating modern chemistry and just before the real revival you had Professor Mahaffy who famously tutored both Oscar Wilde and Oliver Gogarty. He wrote a book on conversation which would help with wit if you're interested but it's hard enough to find. Wilde was a seperate entity from the revival as well so he had his own style, Dorian Gray is his only major novel and it's fantastic. Honestly our best stuff in my opinion all exists from Wilde up to Heaney, that 100 odd years was a special time, even if it waned in the end.
>>18943278
Beckett's plays are made to be seen in person so you'll get the best experience. The trilogy is amazing what did you think?
>>18943307
There was obvious build-up though, those sort of things pop up in her novels all the time, a scene will end and it will just say in the narration 'we talked about Kant. It's so pseud.

[Anonymous No.18943324]

>>18942597
what an ugly bog dweller

[Anonymous No.18943351]

>>18943129
>she fuels me with pure spite and hatred to write good stories about Ireland and our people and culture.
i don’t think you could, not even if you tried really hard

[Anonymous No.18943358]

>>18942780
based nrl poster, latrell was right to do it

[Anonymous No.18943364]

>The friendship between the two women is unconventionally told. Interspersing the narrative are long, wordy emails exchanged between Alice and Eileen. (Sample from Alice: “I suppose you think this is all extremely rudimentary and maybe even that I’m un-dialectical. But these are just the abstract thoughts I had, which I needed to write down, and of which you find yourself the (willing or unwilling) recipient.”) They discuss aspects of history, philosophy, psychology and politics, as well as their love lives and the deteriorating state of their friendship.

[Anonymous No.18943367]

>There is something else, too; Rooney’s heroines are, without fail, always the smartest people in the room. They are also pretentious, priggish, self-absorbed and superior, condescending and driven by insecurity. They put me in mind, occasionally, of people I remember from university, those students who hung around outside the union on election day, shouting, “Apathy led to the rise of Hitler!” at politically disengaged students as they passed.

[Anonymous No.18943383]

>>18943129
>the guy says he likes the modernist poets, specifically Yeats to which Mary Sue replies ‘Yeah those fascists had good poetry I suppose’ the guy goes silent.

We need a /lit/ version of this scene where the roasty’s fascist crack leads to a 20 page disquisition on Hamsun, Celine, Mishima and Pound, a dismissal of Yeats’s fascism as too mild mannered and a sincere hope in the Taliban’s success against the Hebraic banking system.

[Anonymous No.18943414]

>>18943129
I'd never read her until yesterday when there was an extract from her new novel in an Irish newspaper. It was full of this kind of stuff:
>he repeated philosophically
>In a gentle tone she replied:
>She blushed visibly at this remark...
>He frowned to himself...
>She was rooting in her handbag...
THIS is the 'finest writer of our generation?' The one they compared, without irony, to Jane Austen? If this is the kind of shit that gets published nowadays, well, there's hope for all of us, lads!

[Anonymous No.18943424]

>>18943414
>newspaper
There's your problem. MSM stumps for woke garbage again, news at six.

[Anonymous No.18943454]

>>18943129
kek. spot on, but the fact that she hit a nerve works in her favour.

[Anonymous No.18943480]

>>18942776
why not

>>18942783
30, got 2 books. Second one is now a tv show. /tv/ loves it, because white people + feels

[Anonymous No.18943483]

>>18943316
Am >>18943270, thank you anon, saved your post. Do you happen to know any undeservedly unforgotten medieval works? I have "Early Irish Myths and Sagas" by Penguin, "Tales of the Elders of Ireland" by Oxford, The Tain by Kinsella, and Kinsella's updated translation of "The Pursuit of Diarmuid and Grainne/The Exile of the Sons of Uisliu", alongside with Penguin's "A Celtic Miscellany".

[Anonymous No.18943490]

>>18943483
*undeservedly forgotten

[Anonymous No.18943516]

>>18943483
bump for answers

[Anonymous No.18943568]

Okay, haven't had heard of her before but I just ordered that book coming out in 11 days, for 11 Euros.
Who's gonna read and make thread about it - I join.

[Anonymous No.18943582]

>>18943483
Only local stuff really, most of it word of mouth. The Tain is definitely not forgotten but it’s our own Iliad so I’d get on that if you haven’t done so. Medieval isn’t my period so I wouldn’t be too well versed.

[Anonymous No.18943587]

>>18943568
i will pirate it and read along with you anon

[Anonymous No.18943590]

>>18943568
I’ll read a pdf rip and shit on it once I’m able to. Not giving that charlatan money

[Anonymous No.18943597]

>>18943582
I did not mean to say that the Tain is obscure, I only meant to tell you what I already have from that period.

Thank you nevertheless!

[Anonymous No.18943615]

>>18943590
OO TELL EM WHY U MAD

[Anonymous No.18943824]

>>18942776
she complained about being famous to such an extent that every douchebag and his grandma feel entitled to shit on your books for what they are. the last critique by someone in the guardian was that POC don't exist in Rooney's world.

[Anonymous No.18943838]

>>18943824
>POC don’t exist in Rooney’s world

Are we considering Catholics white now?
The absolute state of The Guardian.

[Anonymous No.18943871]

>>18943316
>The trilogy is amazing what did you think?
Never read anything like it. Coming from the big modernists like Joyce, Mann and Proust, whom I've read the least year (among others), it was a real change. I found him more difficult to parse than the aforementioned trio, whose individual flows got into quite easily (granted, I've yet to read Ulysses), though I very much enjoyed it, in no small part because of his humour. I think I'll have to re-read him to really get a grip of what he was trying to do, maybe read him in my native language too.

[Anonymous No.18943882]

>>18943824
isn't she irish? are there poc in ireland?

[Anonymous No.18943919]

>>18943871
>least year
The last year, I meant. No idea why I typed that.

[Anonymous No.18943923]

>>18943882
>are there poc in ireland?
Irish are poc

[Anonymous No.18944020]

>>18943129
>In conversations with Friends her self-insert goes on a tinder date, the guy says he likes the modernist poets, specifically Yeats to which Mary Sue replies 'Yeah those fascists had good poetry I suppose' the guy goes silent and the scene ends.
lmao now that made me curious about the book, I'll try to read it

[Anonymous No.18944032]

She dislikes Yeats due to the culture she was marinated in at Trinity College Dublin.

The leftists are ubiquitous at TCD and dislike Yeats for his mysticism, reactionary/nationalistic and aristocratic values. They are trying really hard to diminish his standing in the literary canon.

Rooney is class focused in the most narrow ways imaginable. Theres no real critique of the anglo irish parasite class or the inbred huns in the north for instance. That would be too parochial and she wouldn't want to offend the Angloids who buy her dreck.

[Anonymous No.18944055]

>>18944032
aww gonna cry? gonna shit and piss yourself?

[Anonymous No.18944207]

>>18944055
>gonna shit and piss yourself?
no but we know you do tranny :)

[Anonymous No.18944259]

>>18943129
I actually dated Sally Rooney. She would call me at random hours in the morning (2AM or 3AM), crying profusely saying she had something important to tell me about her book. I would always hear the rustling of her clothes as she moved the phone towards her anus and then she would fart into the phone and quickly hang up. This went on for 12 years. On the 7th year of dating we finally met in person and she was insistent on fingering my dick every time we made love. Eventually things escalated and she wanted me to start farting in her pussy because it was a huge turn on to her. One night there was an accident and that fart turned into a shart. She started crying and immediately ran into the bathroom. I pleaded for her to come out so we could talk but she said she needed to call the Regan Admistration for relationship advice but I had to keep reminding her that their administration ended decades ago. Eventually she stopped responding and, of course, I feared the worst so I drank two Four Lokos and busted down the door. She was dead. The EMT's said she died of covid 4 weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.18944331]

>>18944259
HAHHAHAA POOPY FARTS HAHHAHAHA AND DICKS :) nice one

[Anonymous No.18944337]

>>18944259
wtf sally rooney was based!?

[Anonymous No.18944341]

>>18944207
just another seething chud. predictable!

[Anonymous No.18944352]

>>18943129
Based, it's always good to see someone honing their anger and hatred into something productive. I hope you save Ireland from the niggers and the burger culture if it's not too late. May the Anglo-Jewish cancer be removed from every nation.

[Anonymous No.18944371]

>>18944331
>>18944055
Show tits if you're really Rooney

[Anonymous No.18944373]

>>18944352
meds

[Anonymous No.18944416]

>>18944259
lel

[Anonymous No.18944496]

>>18942992
>She has that chosenite facial structure

It’s just inbred islander genetics and fetal alcohol syndrome

[Anonymous No.18944516]

>>18943129
Vampire weekend was based. I heard they released an album a couple years ago but I never listened to it because their music nicely caps the 2007-2013 period and they clearly cant exist in the world that emerged after that

[Anonymous No.18944527]

>>18944055
Has anyone yet diagnosed who makes these posts, specifically the ones that always talk about crying and peeing. This is a new Type of Post I have not yet categorized

[Anonymous No.18944546]

>>18944352
Based

[Anonymous No.18944559]

>>18942597
why is her side of the boat lifted up?

[Anonymous No.18944570]

>>18942992
Jews and Irish have certain features in common, the dark, thick, black hair, the nose and eyebrow shape sometimes(irish nose is not quite so prominent obviously), the abundance of latent energy and quick, often witty, speech, a sort of knobbly appearance and of course clannish tendencies. They are both clearly 'amphetamine meerkat races' but we're looking here at convergent evolution rather than shared ancestry and the Jew is a much more formidable civilizational scourge than the Potato.

[Anonymous No.18944572]

>>18943096
>that bulbous nose
Kek what a potato nigger

[Anonymous No.18944584]

>>18942597
Her book made her famous though. She didn’t become famous and then write a book. I’m sure she’d rather just have a successful book and not be asked to do public appearances and shit

[Anonymous No.18944609]

>>18944559
Brapppppp

[Anonymous No.18944743]

>>18944559
the boat is probably not on water

[Anonymous No.18944795]

>oh jaysus no, how could I forsee being a famous novelist, this is the last thing I wanted when I sent my book off to be published, why are so many people buying my books, all I wanted was to sell 3 copies and spend the bulk of my career teaching creative writing at a shitty redbrick uni, oh begorrah now every time I go outside absolutely nothing happens because nobody gives a shit about bothering a novelist on the street but my agent keeps getting me to go to the occasional literature festival and I have to do interviews once in a blue moon when i publish a book and field a few journalists' questions into my private life, truly this is hell.

[Anonymous No.18944851]

>>18943383
>Taliban’s success against the Hebraic banking system.
Gentiles are so dumb. This scam will play for another two thousand years.

[Anonymous No.18944902]

>>18944570
The toothless Anglo sucks heeb cock the hardest. What are you even talking about ,nigel? What scourge? You are the bitch of the merchant since you became civilized.

[Anonymous No.18944923]

>>18944795
To be fair. It's perfectly reasonable to assume you won't get famous as a novelist. Books are no longer an important part of mainstream culture.

[Anonymous No.18944958]

>>18943096
(You)

[Anonymous No.18945109]

>>18944902
It was just a shitpost, I dont even know any Irish people

[Anonymous No.18945196]

>sit down to take a piss in Dublin

[Anonymous No.18945700]

>>18945196
>sit down to take a piss
fag

[Anonymous No.18945719]

>>18945196
why is there an ad for abortion in a men's toilet
unless?

[Anonymous No.18945730]

>>18944527
aww gonna cry? gonna shit and piss yourself?

[Anonymous No.18945801]

>>18943568
Wait, so this is a book about a privileged white girl becoming a sugar mommy to a blue collar worker? Is this serious?

[Anonymous No.18945816]

>>18945730
Are you currently wearing a diaper, please be honest for anthropological purposes

[Anonymous No.18945829]

>>18943129
>'discussed the Regan Administration and listened to Vampire Weekend'
This sounds like some ready player one name dropping for clout

[Anonymous No.18945860]

https://youtu.be/Z1S5bOdJq3U

[Anonymous No.18945866]

>>18945801
Pretty sure the it's the same dynamic (educated rich girl meets intelligent working class boy) in Normal People.

[Anonymous No.18945883]

>>18942597
>>18944795
My cousin is a “famous” writer and she’s not anywhere remotely near this level of being a pretentious cunt. I’m pretty sure something is just wrong with this privileged self hating lunatic

[Anonymous No.18945895]

>>18945860
>Merxist

[Anonymous No.18945896]

>>18945860
>I am 27
>she was 28 in this video
How is this possible

[Anonymous No.18945926]

>>18945719
unless?

[Anonymous No.18945946]

>>18944795
There’s like 10 writers I would recognize in public and most of them are dead

[Anonymous No.18945956]

>>18945895
I thought Keith exclusively speaks of Jews when he says Merchant, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Seems he'd not discriminate and count Bezos in, for example.

[Anonymous No.18945961]

>Literal who only midwit faggots would know about complains about burden of fame in artsy fartsy photo shoot

[Anonymous No.18945969]

>>18942597
I keep thinking this thread image is pic related as I scroll past

[Anonymous No.18945971]

>>18945961
literal who's don't get their second novel adopted into a popular tv show

[Anonymous No.18946010]

>>18945971
Sure they do. Entertainment is an incesteous industry. I doubt the general public knows or cares who she is.

[Anonymous No.18946079]

>>18946010
You're just raising the bar.
The general public knows nothing about anything book related.

[Anonymous No.18947020]

Sally BTFO

http://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2020/05/10/normal-people-lecherous-chad-worshipping-fantasies-on-full-display

[Anonymous No.18947026]

>>18944527
It's a maymay grandad

[Anonymous No.18947036]

>>18942597
Being famous is one of the easiest ways to become free. I don't have any sympathy for people who are famous but somehow not happy. They are fucking up and have only themselves to blame.

[Anonymous No.18948091]

Who?

[Anonymous No.18948189]

>>18942597
Yes. Lots of people complain about their job but continue to work. Only an underage high school fag would be unable to see that.

[Anonymous No.18948207]

>>18945860
why are half-learned women so offensive

they epitomize everything bourgeois, there is some kind of aura about them of "yes i am anonymous and mediocre, but an institution with standardized tests shaped me into an anonymous mediocre member of a station that is still above yours, so even in my unremarkable complacency even within my caste i am still passively your better"

everything odious and smelly about the bourgeoisie, the underachieving nouveau riche, the first generation of a newly rich family to really take its privileges and its extra opportunities in life for granted as its birthright, all of that is packed into the over-educated half-learned woman, with an extra little "fuck you, what are you going to do about it? i won and you didn't, that's the lottery of life, now make my latte so i can get back to pretending i keep up with contemporary literature"

[Anonymous No.18948216]

>>18943480
>why not
It's a vanity shot which people are only seeing because of her fame, and wherein she is reaping the rewards of fame.

[Anonymous No.18948253]

>>18942820
>She is an Irish contemporary writer
Why should this matter to a non-Irish?

[Anonymous No.18948271]

>>18944923
she could stop letting her books get turned into tv shows if she hates the fame so much

[Anonymous No.18948286]

>>18943923
>the irish
>"people"

[Anonymous No.18948301]

>>18943129
>t. deceased Joyce

[Anonymous No.18948334]

>>18945860
holy based

[Anonymous No.18948357]

>>18943414
What's wrong with those quotations?
>>18943129
Her popularity is due to the namedrops or what?
>>18943096
WB/10

[Anonymous No.18948465]

>>18942597
>books sell
What? Are you relying on fame to make money? That's utterly stupid. Fame takes her own sweet time, and she lives longer than men.

[Anonymous No.18949435]

>>18948357
>Her popularity is due to the namedrops or what?
Nah just that she basically uses ready player one style namedropping to appear deeper and more intelligent than what she is.

[Anonymous No.18949577]

>>18949435
wrong. you sound insecure

[Anonymous No.18949585]

>>18949577
>wrong. you sound insecure
t.Sally. I'm sure repeatedly having characters refer to subjects and people that would appear as 'intelligent' conversation out of nowhere with no relevance has a much deeper meaning.

[Anonymous No.18949596]

>>18949585
every writer on the planet does this, i don't see the problem. it can be done for a variety of purposes, "appearing intelligent" is not one of them, not in the 21st century at least. again, you sound insecure, as if you feel like sally's insulting your intelligence or something. not everyone's out to get you anon

[Anonymous No.18949611]

>>18949596
>every writer on the planet does this,
shit bait.

[Anonymous No.18949640]

>>18942691
>Le live hidden
>Lives for attention of schizoids on an anime website

[Anonymous No.18949643]

>>18949611
would "the car radio played an american pop group while jack and jill talked about politics" have been better?

[Anonymous No.18949778]

>>18944795
Kek

[Anonymous No.18949820]

>>18942776
That's just what every famous and rich person does. "It's actually terrible to be rich and famous. I feel SO bad being so rich, all these fans want my autograph and I'm so stressed trying to please them all! I have literally no life of my own, this is actually the same as being a wagie if not worse, you should be lucky that you're working your job and not mine!"
This turns them from a bunch of social climbing circus whores who keep the dumb masses entertained by doing whatever a marketing committee decided to the martyrs of the modern world, it ennobles them because this narrative turns being rich and famous in a responsibility rather than a privilege (most of the time undeserved).

[Anonymous No.18949929]

>>18944259
THEN WHO WAS BOOK????????????

[Anonymous No.18951292]

The girl in the tv series was extraordinarily cute.

[Anonymous No.18951508]

>>18944743
then why rent a boat?