/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18910130]

Is catcher in rye actually any good?

[Anonymous No.18910241]

It’s not good, but definitely not as bad as the people here make it out to be

[Anonymous No.18910252]

>>18910130
yes, especially the rape scene

[Anonymous No.18910257]

>I as a high school librarian
These people, as funny as they are for their absurdity, are frightening for the way they wield any power grasped at to beat people down and enforce their warped view of the world.

[Anonymous No.18910267]

>>18910130
You know what, just put a period in the comment field next time instead of pretending like you want discussion. I know you just wanted to post your retarded tranny mutt Twitter screencap

[Anonymous No.18910275]

She is right you know

[Anonymous No.18910281]

>>18910275
>auto-block for criticizing YA fiction

How did literature collapse so spectacularly that people like this are often the biggest voices for it. Who is responsible for this disaster?

[Anonymous No.18910297]

>>18910130
>>18910275
I'm so glad I do not belong to this part of humanity and never was tempted to.

[Anonymous No.18910300]

>>18910281
Wimmin

[Anonymous No.18910314]

>>18910130
Is that tweet badly written, or I am retarded?

[Anonymous No.18910322]

>>18910314
It's badly written, like all the tweets from the demented nazi libtards.

[Anonymous No.18910325]

>>18910314
Twitter lingo is just extremely dumb.

[Anonymous No.18910345]

>>18910275
Holy fucking schizo

[Anonymous No.18910352]

>>18910275
but i do wish so to come into your menchies with a snotty alex!!!

[Anonymous No.18910389]

>>18910130
So are people on the spectrum no longer marginalized or does that not count because Holden was white?

[Anonymous No.18910394]

The important thing is John Lennon is dead

[Anonymous No.18910396]

>>18910389
Please do not second that ocean of horseshit. Just ignore. Move on.

[Anonymous No.18910406]

>>18910275
Why are YA fans so fragile and mentally weak?

[Anonymous No.18910413]

>>18910406
It's a psyop. That sort of people only exists in the US. Guess why.

Suggestion: it's not a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.18910417]

>they/them

[Anonymous No.18910427]

>>18910413
In my third world country the people that read for pleasure only read YA books, and they’re all women

[Anonymous No.18910446]

>>18910427
I don't mean liking YA novels. It's just normal, even good, that people read that shit. Good books are for the few. What I was referring to is the libtard retardation.
>books by and about marginalized people
This is clearly the effect of a psyop. People can't be this dumb by nature.

[Anonymous No.18910455]

why do some of you people feel the need to bring Twitter discourse to 4chan

everytime someone posts shitty bait it has to be posted here. why? why not leave it in that cursed site?

[Anonymous No.18910465]

>>18910130
Yes, it's a great novel. It's not YA and not about teenage angst. Only plebs think this because they didn't understand it.

[Anonymous No.18910482]

>>18910275
lmao

[Anonymous No.18910541]

That people still see this as a YA novel appropriate for high school students shows how massively the public was filtered by Salinger

[Anonymous No.18910556]

>>18910275
>I'm not going to recommend titles because I'm not being paid for it
This is bait

[Anonymous No.18910568]

>>18910275
>menchies
Can someone explain why so many 30+ year-olds are going through an extended adolescence these days?

[Anonymous No.18910801]

>>18910568
It’s because millennials hate previous generations and everything to do with them. There was something DFW said about John Updike, how everyone from his generation hated Updike because he essentially represented the previous generation in and through his writing. DFW, of course, was a huge fan. But the difference between DFW’s generation and the millennial’s is that the millennial’s hatred if the past is not just to embrace their own generation and youth but to also embrace and participate in the youth of the next generation. It’s why so many millennial women read YA and watch children’s cartoons, because they are still so obsessed with their hatred of everything older than they are that they’ll literally have the same interests as 12 yos at 30+. It’s sad and it also represents a certain level of consumerism that is also a contributing factor to why these people exist.

[Anonymous No.18910827]

>>18910801
What’s Updike?

[Anonymous No.18910837]

>>18910827
Did you just ask "What's up, dike?" That's very rude

[Anonymous No.18910853]

>>18910801
getting involved with your childrens interests is a good thing.

making childrens mivies tolerable for parents i think was a fairly recent development.

[Anonymous No.18910876]

>>18910837
It's also very inaccurate. Butterfly's not here

[Anonymous No.18910889]

>I am OUTRAGED by this nobody on the internet!
Do you guys ever just look at your own lives and laugh?

[Anonymous No.18910896]

>>18910889
You are clearly more mad than the people you're accusing of being mad lel

[Anonymous No.18910911]

kys OP

[Anonymous No.18910944]

>>18910281
>How did literature collapse so spectacularly
women were allowed to write.

[Anonymous No.18910958]

>>18910853
>getting involved with your childrens interests is a good thing
only to the extent that is necessary to make sure that what they are consuming is appropriate, any more is just sad.

[Anonymous No.18911018]

>>18910853
There’s nothing wrong with being involved with your children’s interests, what I’m saying is that there are people who are childless and have nothing to do with children that are involved in children’s interests. This woman is a school librarian, so there’s at least a reason other than being an adult-child that she has any knowledge or interest in the interests of children, but I can assure you that there are countless people who don’t have children and are not involved with children that are obsessed with YA novels, toys, and children’s cartoons.

[Anonymous No.18911037]

>>18910406
They're women

[Anonymous No.18911121]

>>18910568
>>18910801
I feel that it's also a result of the way in which our culture is progressively removing consequence and responsibility from the private sphere and reconfiguring everything around personal preference and gratification. You get to have what you want on your terms so you never have to cultivate the virturs of adulthood like you would have in the past.
For instance, contraceptives have shown us that people would rather have these loose, fluid relationships that they can get out of at anytime when it stops being fun and treat each others bodies like consequence free amusement parks rather than make sacrifices, take on responsibility, commit yourself to someone, get married, and have for children. People would rather prolong adolescence and remain children themselves instead of take up responsibility and care for children.
Our world is not designed for spiritual, mental, or social development beyond what people reach at the age of ~16. The cult of personal gratification infantalizes us.

[Anonymous No.18911154]

>>18910130
i like it

[Anonymous No.18911535]

>>18910130
people really don't get the fact that it was immediately after ww2 that makes it what it is

[Anonymous No.18911548]

>>18910130
she lowkey be right tho

[Anonymous No.18911550]

>>18911548
I too am a nigger.

[Anonymous No.18911800]

>>18910257
My high school librarian was cool and let me keep a few books because she liked me.

[Anonymous No.18911816]

>>18910130
yes it's an excellent book and probably the best thot/midwit filter to ever exist, especially because EVERYONE reads it. It's literally the most laugh-out-loud funny book I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.18911832]

>>18910801
>It’s why so many millennial women read YA and watch children’s cartoons, because they are still so obsessed with their hatred of everything older than they are that they’ll literally have the same interests as 12 yos at 30+.
I'm not convinced they have *any* opinion about the old, much less that they hate it.

[Anonymous No.18911873]

Where were you when you realized that it was little girl kink supporters who would support literature?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFFS4EDnBQ

[Anonymous No.18911900]

>>18910130
Using the word "discourse" is a red flag, anyone who uses it is braindead

[Anonymous No.18911920]

>>18910801
Wrong
>>18911121
Correct

[Anonymous No.18912038]

>>18910130
How does a "highschool librarian" miss the point so much? The entire point is that Holden is not marginalized, he's a rich white boy from a rich white family living in one of the financial and cultural centers of the world. One of the main plot moving points it literally ennui.

[Anonymous No.18912078]

>>18912038
>a rich white boy from a rich white family
"Woke" people think that writing stories about privileged whites is wrong and that such stories need to be replaced with books about niggers.

[Anonymous No.18912124]

>>18912038
>how does a midwit with gender pronouns in the bio not understand something

[Anonymous No.18912203]

>>18911900
>word bad because libruls
You thought you could trick us but I know you're underage lil nigga

[Anonymous No.18912444]

>>18912203
Nigger
I only every see liberals use that word and its always followed with a dogshit take. Prove me wrong though, feel free to try to use that word without sounding like a retard

[Anonymous No.18912500]

>>18912038
I thought the point was that he was losing his shit, ie having a breakdown

[Anonymous No.18912551]

>>18912038
I think her point was that there's better YA with similar themes plus it's not dead old white men like every other literary classic

[Anonymous No.18912576]

>>18912038
>>18912551
and she's questioning the tendency to teach the same old books over and over instead of finding something that may fit the zeitgeist better

just playing devils advocate

[Anonymous No.18912623]

>>18910275
>recommending a few books
>work

[Anonymous No.18912631]

>>18911800
>non-sequitur "works for me" post
Your high school librarian would weep if they knew how terrible your reading comprehension has become.

[Anonymous No.18912825]

>>18910130
>some people need to get their asses beat
>even people who don't have it coming still suck in a general sense
>normalfags go to see a great musician, but are still philistines who treat it as a social gathering
>prostitutes are unsatisfying
>niggers gonna nig
>little sister is life, little sister is love
t. read catcher as a 30's something, and still identifies with holden. would enjoy watching the world burn together.

[Anonymous No.18912903]

>mArGinAliZeD pEopLE

[Anonymous No.18913043]

>>18910130
Twitter screencap is retarded but personally I have found catcher in the rye coincidentally meaningful because it's one of the first books I actually finished and main character I related to when I was an early adolescent. The character is dynamic because just enough information is left out for you to fill in the blanks about him, somehow making the image and personality of holden take shape as you grow older. I read it about every other year and I'm both surprised at my old perspectives/ways of relating to holden and new ways of understanding his immaturity.

[Anonymous No.18913063]

>>18912825
>>normalfags go to see a great musician, but are still philistines who treat it as a social gathering
That’s what concerts are

[Anonymous No.18913505]

>>18910314
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.18914470]

>>18912551
>>18912576
>timeless books that have stood the test of time vs books you have to change every 10 years to fit whatever the current zeitgeist is because they'll be outdated
her suggesting this as a librarian is even more idiotic because she should know how more work doing this all the time would take and know it isn't worth the effort.
atleast it would make the english teachers seeth

[Anonymous No.18915655]

>>18910130
It's a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.18915723]

>>18910568
it's a nigger, you idiots

[Anonymous No.18915772]

>>18910130
Short answer is yes
Long answer is yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Anonymous No.18915967]

[Anonymous No.18916134]

>>18910130
>Is catcher in rye actually any good?
I thought it was solid. But its a little dated. Would like to see Less Than Zero take its place. I know that wont happen but its the better book and more relevant to todays culture and youth. The culture being quite degenerate/almost amoral in some respects and the average zoomer being quite passive.

[Anonymous No.18916141]

>>18912551
>I think her point was that there's better YA with similar themes
Like what?

[Anonymous No.18916159]

>>18910275

Were humans being always like this? I don't want to be crotchety and old and just think "oh this generation" - surely previous generations did something similar to this, right?

[Anonymous No.18916494]

>>18916159
desu as a foreigner this seems to be only an anglo thing. Ask your your general culture and mentality instead.

[Anonymous No.18916512]

>>18915967
What the fuck is that potatosack body LMAOOO

[Anonymous No.18916525]

It's hated by developmentally stunted manchildren who are incapable of feeling any sympathy for the protagonist because they relate to him too much.

[micsimone No.18916527]

>>18910130
once u get that sinking feeling
then uknow what its about

[Anonymous No.18916548]

>>18910130
Only as a study of the evolution of YA literature.