/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18894180]

Oh no no no Faulknerbros we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.18894256]

>>18894180
Brb going to read his collected works because fuck jews, nigs and other assorted lazy parasites

[Anonymous No.18894539]

Faulkner is pretty great. I should read him again. Been a few years since I went through the bulk of his work.

[Anonymous No.18894546]

>>18894256
Holy guacamole that's based

[Anonymous No.18894612]

Between him and Hemingway, who's the better writer? Why?

[Anonymous No.18894622]

>>18894612
Faulkner

Faulkner has artistic merit and attempts to develop characters and emotions, and has formal intrigue, not to mention his relation to other great literature (Hawthorne, Hamlet influence), Hemingway writes self-inserts for men being men types of book with little merit and un-poetic dialogue. I really hate his style.

[Anonymous No.18894623]

>>18894612
Faulkner, haven’t read any of them but Hemingway seems very gay

[Anonymous No.18894629]

>>18894612
Their styles are not at all comparable. Personally I like Hemmingway and I'm not a huge fan of Faulkner, but the fact that they were contemporaries is insignificant. Hemmingway lived in Europe and Faulkner lived in the South. People who talk about Hemmingway vs Faulkner have only read one of the two or neither.

[Anonymous No.18894630]

>>18894622
Who is better between McCarthy and Hemingway, and How would you compare McCarthy to Faulkner. I haven't read any of them, i'm curious if he surpassed them.

[Anonymous No.18894636]

>>18894630
I've never read McCarthy

[Anonymous No.18894644]

>>18894630
Hemingway is a better writer. McCarthy is a better story-teller.

[Anonymous No.18894645]

>>18894630
McCarthy > Faulker > Hemingway

[Anonymous No.18894647]

>>18894622
Hmm, ok.
I'm reading Fiesta rn and will be reading more of Hemingway. I hate to say it, but Hemmy's style is not very endearing to me.
I'm trying to get acquainted with the American greats and will read Faulkner later.

Who do you think is the GOAT of American literature?

[Anonymous No.18894649]

>>18894180
The lack of self-awareness from these hot-topic grifters is astounding. They're happy to dish out retrospective criticism without considering how their own meagre contributions to social discourse will be similarly scrutinised generations from now - that is, if anyone even remembers their name, which they probably won't.

[Anonymous No.18894650]

>>18894630
I like him better than both. I think all 3 diverge enough to make the 'surpassed' claims obsolete. I think Suttree is as good as Absalom, Absalom! but his later works aren't much like him to warrant comparision. Similarly for Hemingway, his main influence is in writing action and not themes and structure. He is pretty good at it.

[Anonymous No.18894655]

>>18894630
Both shit and I don't even have to read them to know this

[Anonymous No.18894663]

>>18894647
Hemingway's style is very annoying, I read just about all his novels, it's the same type of writing, same themes, same dialogue, blech. I guess there's subtle changes as he gets older, but Sun Also Rises is of the same calibre of writing as Old Man and the Sea, I guess For Whom is a bit more refined, and I still need to read the one novel that got panned before Old Man and the Sea, and his 2 posthumous novels, but it's not something I anticipate doing.

The goat is very obviously Melville or Hawthorne (Melville for sure IMO). Nobody else is really comporable, unless you count Henry James.

[Anonymous No.18894680]

>>18894180

What are they bitching about. Faulkner's racial views were essentially in sync with current-year politics:

https://counter-currents.com/2019/04/go-down-william-faulkner/

[Anonymous No.18894687]

>>18894663
I understand Melville, but i usually see people say that Hawthorne wasn't that good (I haven't read him.

[Anonymous No.18894691]

The only Faulkner I've read is As I Lay Dying but I came away feeling like I didn't fully get it. Just a bunch of depressing and weird stuff happens to the Bundrens and then it ends.

[Anonymous No.18894696]

>>18894680
Tbh his characterization of Joe Christmas always struck me as very odd, even when shorn of the racial pov.

[Anonymous No.18894699]

>>18894612
Hemingway was the first redditor.

[Anonymous No.18894700]

>>18894687
Because they have ADHD and get filtered by the introductions to his books, nobody does exposition better than Hawthorne. Melville is up in the skies, Hawthorne is down on Earth. Read Israel Potter and see Melville doing Hawthorne-style expositon for the first 6 chapters, struggling because it's hard as fuck to do, then bail and switch to Shakespeare humor and philosophical allusions and essays like he's wont to. Both brillant, their complete works are to be read, without a doubt.

[Anonymous No.18894708]

>>18894700
What would you say is Hawthorne's best work? anything comparable to Moby Dick?

[Anonymous No.18894712]

>>18894699
redditors are too beta to off themselves

[Anonymous No.18894713]

>>18894180
Faulkner is the best American writer of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.18894716]

>>18894708
Probably For Whom the Bell Tolls, definitely not A Moveable Feast. I need to read that one novel which was panned though, and his two posthumous novels though.

lol Hemingway's best work isn't even comparable to Typee, much less comparable to Moby Dick.

[Anonymous No.18894724]

>>18894716
is this bait? i was asking about Hawthorne's best work.

[Anonymous No.18894725]

>>18894713
He's not better than Lovecraft, Chandler, Clark Ashton Smith, Robert Howard, William Burroughs, Jack London, Henry James, TS Eliot, William James, Nabokov.

[Anonymous No.18894736]

>>18894725
I meant novelist, TS Eliot is the best poet. Nabokov is just as American as Eliot is British and please don't compare shitty genre writers to Faulkner.

[Anonymous No.18894741]

>>18894691
The one good person in the family gets driven insane

[Anonymous No.18894743]

>>18894724
Oh I read that as Hemingway, sorry.
I haven't read all of Hawthorne, just House of Seven Gables and Scarlet Letter, and it's been a few years, aside from select short stories I've read recently and excerpts I've re-read from both. I'd say Seven Gables is the better of the two, but they're both great.
He only wrote 4 novels (excluding Fanshawe and his unfinished posthumous works), and I was planning on re-reading the 2 and then reading the other 2 the first time once I finish my current slate of books, which is Confidence Man, Clarel, and Billy Budd to finish up Melville, then a few other books from other authors I enjoy that should take me through the middle of September.
Moby Dick is the great Romantic novel, then Melville turns to tragedy and despair after and I like Pierre a bit more than Moby Dick, I'd say nothing Hawthorne wrote reached quite those levels of Pierre, certainly not even close to Clarel lol, but If someone argued House of Seven Gables was better than Moby Dick I could see myself agreeing. IDK how kino Marble Faun or Blithedale Romance are though, Hawthorne seems like a pretty steady consistent kino writer imo, whereas Melville does crazy things and puts it all out there.

[Anonymous No.18894748]

>>18894725
Faulkner takes a steaming shit on all the actual ameri and in your list pleb

[Anonymous No.18894752]

>>18894736
You said writer
Genre fiction takes more creativity than cornboy chronicles and they're mostly more well-read than Faulkner in general. I mean pumping out 19 novels in the same extended universe is just as genre as Chandler writing seven Marlowe novels. Chandler also bases his characters off of Shakespeare and studied the classics well, and was involved in the London writer's circle for awhile. What is Faulkner's most kino? Please do not say Sound and Fury.

[Anonymous No.18894755]

Someone post a tier list of American writers. Or some sort of chart. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.18894758]

>>18894748
>Better than Henry James and Burroughs
No, delusional.

[Anonymous No.18894762]

>>18894743
>I'd say Seven Gables is the better of the two, but they're both great.
Luckily, that is the one i have a copy of. Thanks, i will check it out!

[Anonymous No.18894766]

>>18894755
>tier 1
Melville
Hawthorne

Tier 2
Henry James (diaspora)
TS Eliot (disapora)
William James
Nabokov (transplant)
James Fenimore Cooper
Edgar Allan Poe

Tier 3
Emerson
Washington Irving
Whitman
Chandler
Lovecraft
Clark Ashton Smith
Robert Howard
Jack London
Faulkner
William Burroughs
EE Cummings

[Anonymous No.18894769]

>>18894766
>No Pound
Discarded

[Anonymous No.18894775]

>>18894769
Yeah IDK, I really hate his poetry and don't see a discernible aesthetic, maybe on merits of his non-fiction, but I don't take it too seriously. I guess tier 2 would be his peak, but then I'd have to add Lowell and Longfellow, who I also dislike.

[Anonymous No.18894776]

>>18894758
>Burroughs
No. I will give you James

[Anonymous No.18894779]

>>18894766
James Fenimore Cooper sucks ass

[Anonymous No.18894782]

>>18894755
That is all

[Anonymous No.18894786]

>>18894782
Flannery O'Connor deserves a mention

[Anonymous No.18894789]

>>18894786
If she lived just 2 more decades, she'd be there.

[Anonymous No.18894792]

>>18894779
>t. seething Mark Twain

>>18894776
What is Faulkner's most kino? Preferably something post Absalom.

[Anonymous No.18894803]

>>18894792
Go down, moses.

[Anonymous No.18894805]

A bit unrelated, but do you guys consider American English to be superior to British English? Does the quality of their respective literature tradition justify said superior status?
Asking as a poorfag third world brainlet ESL btw. no bulli.

[Anonymous No.18894808]

>>18894803
Cool, the problem with Faulkner I've had is most people shill his early work which is good, but not great imo. I read some of The Hamlet which I liked more than Sound and Fury, I should deep dive him soon.

[Anonymous No.18894832]

>>18894716
Read Hemingway’s short stories. Those are his best and strongest works

[Anonymous No.18894842]

Why does no one talk about Robert Pen Warren? All The King's Men is pure kino

[Anonymous No.18894844]

>>18894766
Not to mention omissions I hesitate to list, in this context.

[Anonymous No.18894846]

>>18894805
I think American tradition overtook the British in the early 1920s (depends whether you count Joyce within it). But the British have a long history going back to atleast Beowulf, so you have more to pick from.

[Anonymous No.18894861]

>>18894844
who?