/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18886895]

Eventually wont the terms "modern" and "post-modern" be meaningless? Won't they need to be replaced by more specific names? Why will be people in 2050 be calling a literary style from the early 1900s "modern"?

[Anonymous No.18886912]

Stop wasting your time with useless questions.

[Anonymous No.18886922]

>>18886895
People in 2050 won't even know the terms to begin with

[Anonymous No.18886946]

>>18886895
Nothing done currently is "modern", it is "contemporary".
So, no.

[Anonymous No.18886953]

>>18886912
>>18886946
/thread

[Anonymous No.18886960]

>>18886895
no you absolute retard
do you think "modern architecture" means architecture that is contemporary?

[Anonymous No.18887179]

>>18886895
"Modern" can mean stuff back even from the renaissance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_period
As always when it comes to these potentially vague terms, the user of a term should define it before starting to babble about it.
Literary style from the early 20th century is not usually called modern, but modernist.
Eventually, such terminology can calcify, so we end up with "novels" which are, in fact, centuries old, or with "comics" that are not necessarily comical at all, "symphonies" that are filled with dissonance, etc.

[Anonymous No.18887193]

>>18886895
We live in what can only be described as the Information Age.

[Anonymous No.18887395]

>>18886946
>>18886960
modern
/ˈmɒd(ə)n/
adjective
relating to the present or recent times as opposed to the remote past.
"the pace of modern life"
Similar:
present-day
contemporary
present-time
present
current

[Anonymous No.18887413]

>>18886960
you should capitalise the M if you are talking about the period retard. "modern architecture" does mean contemporary architecture in common parlance and would even be an acceptable, although inelegant, synonym in an academic context

[Anonymous No.18887421]

>>18886895
No one in 2050 will care about books at all

[Anonymous No.18887439]

>>18886895
There will probably be people like you in 2050, yes. I give it an 83.2% chance.

[Anonymous No.18887545]

>>18887395
capital m modern you fucking retard
>>18887413
silly me i assumed that was a given i forgot i was sharing a board with literal subhumans

[Anonymous No.18887549]

>>18886946
You are the most annoying type of person in existence

[Anonymous No.18887569]

>>18886946
Nah, all the time in books, characters are using the term "modern" to refer to their own time period. The definition of modern totally depends on context

[Anonymous No.18887960]

[Anonymous No.18887978]

>>18887569
>depends on context
it doesn't, just like old English always means Anglo-Saxon and never "English that is old" even if you only capitalize the second word

[Anonymous No.18887980]

Postmodernism is about subverting and destroying positivity- beauty, wisdom, health, grace, love, intelligence. It has nothing to do with time periods

[Anonymous No.18888012]

>>18887980
look at him go!

[Anonymous No.18888015]

>>18887978
>Still struggling to learn the language? Throw out all your old English books, my book does a better job than all of them!
What kind of absolute moron would read the above sentences and think "Hmm, yes. They are referring to my Old English (language) books.

[Anonymous No.18888027]

>>18888015
>old English books
that's okay because it's the books that are old and not the English

[Anonymous No.18888037]

Let me fix your retarded chart:
>Modern
>God's not real, there is no meaning or reason to why that's there.

>Postmodern
>Because God's sense of humor is entirely based on you asking stupid questions.

>>18887980
Retard.

[Anonymous No.18888039]

>>18886895
You are standing at the bottom of a very deep and narrow hole of modernist design.

[Anonymous No.18888046]

>>18888027
Now you've changed your mind. The use of the adjectival form of old English changes the meaning of the phrase. The meaning does not always refer to Anglo-Saxon, it does depend on context.

[Anonymous No.18888056]

>>18888046
I have not changed my mind, but I didn't express it correctly.

[Anonymous No.18888065]

>>18887978
>my dad complaining about 'modern art'
hes actually talking about the 21st century
>16th century play where a character refers to 'the moderne style'
talking about the 16th century
>academic publication that mentions Modern sculpture
talking about the early 20th century
>academic publication that mentions modern english
talking about the 21st century

[Anonymous No.18888074]

>>18888065
modern english is like 1590-present

[Anonymous No.18888107]

>>18888065
Yeah not him but this is covered already in the thread. The modern period is from about the Enlightenment on. It happens in different countries at different times, but in terms of broad western cultural canon, it's what happens after the Renaissance.
Modern English starts at the Great Vowel Shift, which is slightly earlier again.
Modern art is a different thing which most commonly is linked to the death of academic art and the Salon des Refuses. Modern philosophy usually gets jabbed at Spinoza and Erasmus as the early years, just to piss off pseuds who think it's Kant. There is a context, but it's one you're not seeing because you can't delineate history, and so can't see how some movements took off at different times in different disciplines but were still part of the same 600 or so years of history and based in similar cohesive narratives of progress.

[Anonymous No.18888111]

>>18886895
>Why will be people in 2050 be calling a literary style from the early 1900s "modern"?
People in 2050 will be worried about the fact that the world as they know it has about 40 years left. They won’t care about these distinctions.

[Anonymous No.18888142]

>>18886895
Probably

[Anonymous No.18888266]

>>18887978
>>18887569
dude you can find recordings of people from the start of the 20th century calling their time modern and themselves a modern men. it is 100% contextual. someone using the word to denote a period in their discipline, like history or literature, does not change this.

[Anonymous No.18888278]

>>18888065
>>18888107
usually modern english implies presentday modern english but sometimes they are more explicit. it's not really important unless you're talking about past forms of the language. hence why 'modern' is good enough.

[Anonymous No.18888287]

>>18888278
>usually modern english implies presentday modern english
No. The only people who think this are also the people who ask for "translations" of Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.18888323]

i always found it funny that some asshole intellectuals had their heads so far up their own asses they actually started naming art and other cultural aspects of their time "modern" as if they were the center of the goddamn world

[Anonymous No.18888331]

>>18888323
Wait til you find out about the Pre-Raphaelites

[Anonymous No.18888354]

>>18887549
And you're an idiot. The necessary but regrettable average

[Anonymous No.18888361]

>>18886922
There won't be people in 2050 lol

[Anonymous No.18889433]

>>18888107
the word modern is a middle english word :)

[Anonymous No.18889454]

>>18886895
>Eventually wont the terms "modern" and "post-modern" be meaningless?
Not you miseducated simp. Modern and post-modern refer to very specific zeitgeists and trends of thought, even to some writers in particular.

What we must do is go back before moderns and modernism, before the French revolution in fact. Before the misguided notion of liberalism, which has served only (ONLY!) to enslave mankind. What you call liberty I call a self-made license to mortal sin.

[Anonymous No.18889496]

>>18886895
Why do people misunderstand postmodernism so often?

[Anonymous No.18890353]

>>18889454
What you call sainthood I call a self-issued licence to imagine how passionate and successful people will all be tortured horribly forever while you will be rewarded for cowardice and meekness.

[Anonymous No.18890367]

>>18886895
this may be one of the most retarded OP posts i have ever witnessed in this place

[Anonymous No.18890984]

>>18889433
>earliest attested use 1585
>middle english
Middle French sure, but you're responding to an anon who considers the great vowel shift the marker of modern English. 1550 is normally the cut off date for that. 1585 is just a few years before Shakespeare. It's going to be very hard to squeeze modern into middle English and keep Shakespeare in modern English.

[Anonymous No.18891038]

modernism just absorbs.
post-modernism adapts.

[Anonymous No.18891214]

>>18887395
I’m sorry but you are probably retarded

[Anonymous No.18891323]

>>18891038
Other way around, old fruit.