/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18860735]

Is America the first major civilization where many of the inhabitants who benefit from it actively hate it? What are some books to learn more about this phenomenon?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.18861294]

I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS A CIVILIZATION CALLED: «AMERICA»; WHERE IS IT?

[Anonymous No.18861313]

>>18861294
seethe endlessly, mestizo nigger

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.18861327]

>>18861313


?

[Anonymous No.18861336]

I'm reminded of this Monty Python skit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

[Anonymous No.18861339]

>>18860735
>many of the inhabitants who benefit from it actively hate it
never happened

[Anonymous No.18861342]

>>18860735
No, I'm sure a lot of Soviet Russians hated Soviet Russia.

[Anonymous No.18861346]

>>18860735
Didn’t Paul hate Rome?

[Anonymous No.18861347]

>>18860735
It is pretty much the status quo in general. The majority of people only see what others have and they lack.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.18861360]

>>18860735
Read this

[Anonymous No.18861365]

>>18860735
Leo Strauss, Natural Right and History

[Anonymous No.18861540]

>>18860735
>you complain about society yet benefit from it? That's so illogical!

[Anonymous No.18861554]

>>18860735
don't know of an american who hates their country
dems hate trumpists, trumpists hate minorities
red hates blue, blue hates red
what does this have to do with /lit/?

[Anonymous No.18861580]

>>18860735
Do you think the Gaul or Athenian loves the city of Rome?

[Anonymous No.18862670]

>Is America the first major civilization where many of the inhabitants who benefit from it actively hate it?
Many people have this idea that certain things about society and human nature have only existed for twenty years when they have actually existed for centuries.
>>18861554
Also this.

[Anonymous No.18862677]

>>18861294
fpbp
>>18860735
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.18862684]

>>18861554
>what does this have to do with /lit/?
The frog posting retarded faggot nigger OP asked for books, so it's now not a non-literature relevant thread.

[Anonymous No.18862697]

>>18860735
Define benefit. Who are you talking about? I have a pretty good life here (materially), but I still hate it. I fucking hate the suburbs. I hate American exceptionalism. I hope this country erupts into civil war just so I can see these burger worms eat one another. I would give up my house and everything just to witness their collapse. But then again, I'm not an American. I'm just here for work.

[Anonymous No.18862718]

>>18862697
Do you think OP is a materialist? I think he's a commie.

[Anonymous No.18863348]

>>18861342
Yeah because sovie russia commited genocide every now and then

[Anonymous No.18863364]

>>18860735
I think Scruton reinvented the term "oikophobia" to describe exactly that, and used it widely in England and the Need for Nations.

Haven't read it, but my general impression of Scruton is that he is the only conservative of the past 50 years who wasn't a slobbering retard merchant who'd sell any conservative value at the right price.

[Anonymous No.18863401]

>>18860735
Familiarise yourself with the history of Rome, particularly the late republican period. Then read this and after read Spenglers decline of the West

[Anonymous No.18863414]

>>18861360
>tries in vain to refute the Chad Hobbes
>too embarrassed to include his/her name on the cover
>Butterfly approved
Hard pass Lel.

[Anonymous No.18863475]

>>18863348
Ask a liberal about the USA and genocide sometime, bub.

[Anonymous No.18863493]

>>18860735
Read Capitalist Realism, and then whatever else you can find about the links between modern societal structure and mental illness

[Anonymous No.18863502]

>>18861580
Yes. Of course they did, especially the Galli who romanized. Why do you think French is Romance and not Celtic.

[Anonymous No.18863598]

>Society's structure and the government that governs it with the state's support is currently unjust
>NOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU RACEMIX/COMPLAIN/SUPPORT CHANGE/ENGAGE IN COUNTER-CULTURE

[Anonymous No.18863765]

>>18863598
>lefty actually thinks he's part of the counter culture
OHNONONONO

[Anonymous No.18863783]

>>18863765
Yeah DUDE I'm sure the guy wanting Government investment in social services is definitely on the side of mainstream ruling ideolgy

[Anonymous No.18863787]

>>18863783
Yes he obviously is, what fucking reality do you live in?

[Anonymous No.18863794]

>>18863787
An American one where drug addicts are told to pull up their slacks

What reality do you live in?

[Anonymous No.18863803]

I love these threads because its very telling about what the majority of people in this board are like

[Anonymous No.18863832]

>>18863794
It's interesting that "reality" to you entirely consists of system approved media. Whatever Fox News is saying today is more real to you than what people actually believe and what the system actually does and engages in. You, quite literally, live in a fictional world, and it causes you immense distress.

[Anonymous No.18863843]

Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy by Joseph Schumpeter

[Anonymous No.18863846]

>>18863783
That's literally the mainstream ideology lol

[Anonymous No.18863860]

>>18860735
Israel was always a backwater state that benefited from being part of a larger empire (Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans etc) but constantly seethed about it while making up stories about a glorious past that never existed.

[Anonymous No.18863996]

>>18863832
>>18863846
Please explain how a Government seemingly devoted to deregulation and giving more power to corporations is aligned with me wanting the opposite

[Anonymous No.18864027]

>>18863765
>Chuds raid White House
>Nothing happens, cops go easy on them
Yeah bro you're totally the ounterculture.

[Anonymous No.18864032]

>>18864027
>ounterculture
*counterculture

[Anonymous No.18864136]

>>18864027
>White House
It was the Capitol.
>cops go easy on them
Four of them were killed. They're being hunted down by the feds every day.

[Anonymous No.18864188]

>>18864027
They're all banned from flying, 600+ charged already, some had their bank accounts closed, etc. Why are you lying?

[Anonymous No.18864204]

>>18863502
>French is Romance and not Celtic
Because of the Franks

[Anonymous No.18864232]

>>18860735
Define "benefit"
America, despite it's propaganda, is not actually good at providing for its citizens unless you compare it to literal third world countries where people live in shacks and can still die of starvation
In the first world America is inferior in almost every regard to at least one other country
And in terms of the big things : education, health care, housing, crime, you know the things that are generally considered to be the most crucial when it comes to the overall health and prosperity of a society, well it turns out America is extremely flawed in all of these categories and they're only getting worse

[Anonymous No.18864283]

>>18864136
>>18864188
>Chuds think this is oppression

[Anonymous No.18864291]

>>18864136
>Five people died either shortly before, during, or shortly after the event: one was shot by Capitol Police, one died of a drug overdose, and three succumbed to natural causes.[17][28]
Lol.

[Anonymous No.18864299]

>>18861294
>>18861327
Based

[Anonymous No.18864303]

>>18864027
No you're right, pic related is the counterculture, throwing molotov cocktails at exhausted beat cops and getting caught-and-released by the feds with no charges.

Dumb twitter tranny.

[Anonymous No.18864308]

>>18864283
Now you're moving the goalposts.

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.18864310]

>>18864303
>tfw no qt antifa rioter gf

[Anonymous No.18864313]

>>18864310
Any girl like that is a serial coal burner, sad to say.

[Anonymous No.18864327]

>>18861294
based. This is the first good C ΠM G E N V S I've read. Keep it up, faggot

[Anonymous No.18864328]

>>18864308
No goalpost moving, I said cops went easy on them, which they did. Basically nothing happened to them during the raid.
Nobody was choked to death, which is what happened to a black kid for having drugs. Are you seeing through the ideology yet?
>>18864303
>Random anecdote
Okay.

[Anonymous No.18864334]

>>18864313
Hot, would love to eat their pussies clean after the entire basketball team has cum inside them.

[Anonymous No.18864337]

>>18864328
Bait

[Anonymous No.18864344]

>>18864328
>which is what happened to a black kid for having drugs.
And before you do the incredibly predictable and bad faith "that's an anecdote too", no. You know very well that George Floyd is not an isolated incident. I bet if you Google you'll find one killed this week.
And keep in mind your friends literally stormed the Capitol, quite a few degrees more serious than being suspected of holding drugs. Face it, the cops are on your side; you are an oppressor, not counter-culture.

[Anonymous No.18864360]

>>18864337
>Argumentation is bait
Look, I know 4chan has fried your brain and made you afraid of using it instead of relying on status-oriented rhetoric, but announcing an incredibly standard leftist talking point is "bait" is not an argument and makes you look like a buffoon to everyone not as brainwashed as you.
And yes, you're brainwashed. This place is the target of regular Nazi psyops.

[Anonymous No.18864374]

>>18862718
>I think he's a commie.
lel

[Anonymous No.18864379]

>>18864328
Kek the standard useful idiot worldview complete with prepackaged epistemology and manufactured ideology

[Anonymous No.18864381]

>>18863996
It just is, ok?

[Anonymous No.18864398]

>>18864381
Oki : (

[Anonymous No.18864420]

>>18863996
You think you want the opposite because you're mentally ill and they know it. That's why they use you as a fifth columnist in your nation before disposing of you. And that's the mainstream ideology: useful idiot. You're not counter culture because they ignore your deluded demands, you're a rank and file ideological foot soldier for them because you're inoffensive and unknowingly promote their control.

[Anonymous No.18864446]

>>18863765
Not a conservative, but there’s a reason left wingers and communists are allowed to have a platform and the far right is not. Only the right is an actual threat.

>>18860735
I don’t think as many Americans hate America as the internet would have you think.

[Anonymous No.18864506]

>>18864303
>>18864313

I would make this qt antifa rioter mine. I know the type. She most likely hates her mom. She's studying something like creative writing. We would have 'chance'(meticulously planned) meeting and I would reel in. We would start hanging out, not because I asked her out, just merely a series of circumstantial meetings. It would be just talking, at first. I would make sure she always feels slightly uncomfortable. She'd think she's figured me out as some troubled and unstable genius. But she would always know there's something else. A secret that keeps her intrigued. She would end up practically begging to be initiated into the world that she hasn't been let into. After some time I would let her in. But there's a price, loss. She would need to die before she's initiated and reborn. I would foster her hatred for her mom. Separate her from her friends. Find the right time for her to have a breaking point, a devastating event for her to be reduced to nothing. Then I'd take her. I wouldn't speak a word, just have her over and have her take some pills. She'd probably hesitate at first, but just as a formality. She'd take them. I would grab her hips and look into her eyes, her makeup ruined from all the crying. Pull her in, taste her rosy lips and neck. She's mine now. Then I'd let her into the secret. I would whisper it into her ear as I grope her and push her to my couch. I would bust into her and she would be reborn.

[Anonymous No.18864516]

>>18864506
disappointed that it culminated in mere sex, should have strung her along and made her go FtM and get top surgery then dump her

[Anonymous No.18864923]

>>18864506
Do you do this often?

[Anonymous No.18864974]

>>18864506
based.

[Anonymous No.18865119]

>>18863475
Thats exactly my point. No citizen likes their country if they kill off random people on baseless claims

[Anonymous No.18865163]

>>18861294
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18865220]

>>18863765
lel reminds me of this wojak

[Anonymous No.18865238]

>>18861540
When the complaints are aimed at a fundamental societal shift, yeah it is illogical to continue supporting said society. Some might even say retarded, since you actually cheapen these criticisms by normalizing them as impotent background noise - - which is arguably the point of why you're conditioned to do as you do, it helps the status quo.

[Anonymous No.18865290]

>>18863364
Read Leo Strauss.

[Anonymous No.18865318]

>>18865290
Strauss was a zionist Jew apologist who didn't allow any criticism of Israel but also fought his whole life against nationalism and ethnocentrism. Some of his philosophy is good but he's not someone to be respected overall. Even if he didn't deliberately lay the seeds of the hypocritical Israel lobby often misnamed "neoconservatism," his slimy behavior laid those seeds inadvertently, and he had horrible taste in cultivating successors and followers.

Definitely not a genuine conservative. Gave no shit about American interests or the interest of any nation, like every Jew. Only cared about making all western societies "open" so they would remain docile as they were colonized, while turning around and justifying heinous war crimes by Israel the next second.

[Anonymous No.18865325]

>>18864027
>leftists riot for months on end, in major cities all over the world, destroying small businesses, defacing public property, setting shit on fire, etc.
>nothing happens, cities actually support it, even supplying food, sanitation and water
You're definitely not the dominant culture though.

[Anonymous No.18865364]

this reads like a /pol/ thread.
These >>18861294 >>18863401 >>18864506 are the only true /lit/posters. The rest of y'all are faggots

[Anonymous No.18865378]

>>18865364
>tripfags and iphone posters are my friends, i hate everyone else here
Uh ohhhh, someone's new!

[Anonymous No.18865383]

>>18865378
the fact that the mexican tripfag made the best post speaks of just how massively retarded your thread is, faggot. Go talk about your stupid politics somewhere else

[Anonymous No.18865395]

>>18865383
>every poster I don't like is the same poster with a well-developed personality including all the things I hate
Uh ohhhh, someone's retarded!

[Anonymous No.18865424]

>>18865395
>Uh ohhhh
Uh, uh, touch grass, retard

[Anonymous No.18865433]

>>18861294
The first good cumgenius post

[Anonymous No.18865457]

>>18860735
No we're just in the Winter Period.

[Anonymous No.18865784]

>>18865220
>man invents fictional scenario and gets angry about it

[Anonymous No.18865793]

>>18865325
never happened, not in the way you imagine it

[Anonymous No.18865889]

>>18865784
>>18865793
Enlighten me on how companies, the government, and the media spamming “BLM” and related social justice causes for months on end was fictional. We all lived through it in 2020.

>hurr sure they were just appealing to consumers
I don’t care why they are allies with the supposed “counterculture”. Them being allies is proof that liberals are not a threat to the system whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.18865941]

>>18864446
>have no platform, have zero mainstream appeal or support
>an actual threat
imagine believing this
politics in America is 100% sterile spectacle, the left and the right are the same thing, toothless retards posturing at one another while the government scams them out of their wealth. It's not a coincidence that every single congressman retires to become a lobbyist, they all know each other, DC is one big rat nest.

[Anonymous No.18865951]

>>18865793
Yes it did lel

[Anonymous No.18865962]

>>18861294
Jesus fuck he's right, the fuck is happening?
More on topic, tho, picrel.
Not a great book tho, but the chapter on America's sexual degeneracy which is pretty much entirely just the author going to a Vice.com S&M workshop is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.18865989]

>>18861294
hahah

[Anonymous No.18866045]

>Amerizog
>civilisation
Lol

>>18861294
This

[Anonymous No.18866073]

>>18865220
Remember communist bros, we totally aren't the establishment, that's why we define the overton window and any who disagree get to enjoy being pariahs! 'Cuz we're rebels.

[Anonymous No.18866135]

>>18865889
>liberals are not a threat to the system whatsoever.
In this previous post >>18865325 you mentioned leftists, not liberals. Are you a bit confused, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.18866141]

>>18866073
>not a single communist in the pic
>i-it's communism!

[Anonymous No.18866155]

>>18866073
strawman

[Anonymous No.18866166]

In what sense do I benefit from it?
>inb4 "being allowed to survive"
the citizens of the worst country in the world are still alive, dipshit

[Anonymous No.18866175]

>>18865238
You're a moron. "Living in" and "supporting" are not the same thing and you'd have to be a literal NPC without the capacity for abstract thought to not see the difference.

[Anonymous No.18866184]

>>18861294
Snark isn't based. And reminder, coomgenious is the guy who thinks North and South America are a singular continent yet thinks Europe and Asia are two separate continents.

[Anonymous No.18866191]

>>18865793
They burned down a shoe store right next to my apartment lol

[Anonymous No.18866207]

>>18866135
I >>18865889 am not >>18865325. In any case, leftists are also not a threat to anyone; there’s a reason they are not deplatformed on mainstream sites. However, that has nothing to do with my main point, which is that people who support social justice movements and consider themselves to be counterculture are complete morons.

[Anonymous No.18866222]

>>18866184
seethe fag

[Anonymous No.18866248]

ITT:
>amerimutts seethe
>/pol/tards don't know the difference between lefitsm and liberalism
>'culture war' bullshit
>almost no literary discussion (these people don't read)
You're welcome. Don't bother going through this garbage.

[Anonymous No.18866280]

>>18866141
there's no communists in the picture or anywhere else because there are no real communists
that doesn't mean retards don't exist who think and act otherwise

[Anonymous No.18866290]

>>18866175
>I don't support the regime, I just participate in its economic and political structure while paying taxes! None of this is legitimizing because I'm like Batman and at night put on my Marxist costume and shit up the internet!

[Anonymous No.18866293]

>>18866207
>people who support social justice movements and consider themselves to be counterculture are complete morons.
Mostly true
>leftists
Still has nothing to do with "leftism"

[Anonymous No.18866318]

>>18866290

[Anonymous No.18866323]

>>18866318
>moving the goalposts

[Anonymous No.18866338]

>>18866166
Not only do you survive, you benefit greatly. A lot of history is extremely violent, and hostile. You're extremely privileged to live under these circumstances as well as have a liberal society around you. Look at how all the disgusting savages cheer on the taliban this week. It's going to get worse as western ideas are pushed to their limits this decade. It's such a boomer thing to say but a lot of people take this situation for granted.

[Anonymous No.18866360]

Reminder to support all those that oppose the great Satan.
The general theme of civilized people ending up resenting their life is not unheard of. You'll find stories about Europeans going off colonies to adopt the lifestyle of primitives.

[Anonymous No.18866379]

>>18866360
>dumb shit americans do
>i-it's progressivism!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy6U74zuVJI

[Anonymous No.18866389]

>>18866338
>It's going to get worse as western ideas are pushed to their limits this decade.
What do you mean? That liberalism will go to a violent extreme?

[Anonymous No.18866398]

>>18866379
Don't pretend it's limited to Americans. Sure it might originate there but it inflicts many parts of the world, and yes it is progressivism.

[Anonymous No.18866399]

>>18866338
The Taliban are based as fuck, liberalism is a cancer. The only thing it protects people from is actualization, actual human beings aren't so terrified of danger they sacrifice their own agency to live in a demented bubble of mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.18866414]

>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.18866419]

>>18866389
Not necessarily. I just think that the outside world is going to continue to degrade the west and its values. Look at these powers outside, they're not like us. And they are spreading their own outlook on the world while at the same time circumventing ours as much as possible within their nation. Some people seem to believe that the alternative to America is somehow more positive. It's just going going pave the way for even more bloodshed, violence, and injustice. Sure America isn't perfect but at least within our world we have the right idea somewhat.

[Anonymous No.18866436]

>>18866399
We face our own unique problems today but that does not mean we should run back to the middle ages where everyone lives in fear and tyranny. We can and are on our way to getting through our issues in a more human manner that doesn't involve gratuitous violence, and destroying people you and your cult deems unworthy, or inferior.

[Anonymous No.18866456]

>>18866436
Violence is the only test of inferiority and superiority, that smug presumption while also backing down from action is why you and your kind will die. I look forward to the killings. I hate cowards and hypocrites, you are both.

[Anonymous No.18866486]

>>18866419
>>18866436
If their values are outcompeting ours, it is a sign that our values need to be changed. The Western world was not always as weak as it is now, and its values can and probably will return to the more ruthless ones which we had in the past. Is that a happy thing? No, but it is the reality. Our soft, humane system only works when we are the undisputed hegemon. Now that there are equal challengers again, we’ll go back to the more realistic system.

[Anonymous No.18866501]

>>18866436
You have a cartoonish grasp of history.

[Anonymous No.18866517]

>>18866486
That's not what it is though. People just focus on the bad.
>>18866501
Your grasp is just unrealistic and uninformed apparently.

[Anonymous No.18866556]

>>18866456
I'm a hypocrite because I believe bloodshed and tyranny isn't the only method to solve issues? Makes no sense. You on the other hand, are you in the taliban? Planning on joining? I'm going to guess no.

[Anonymous No.18866571]

>>18866556
You are a hypocrite because you espouse dim witted ideologies of equity and peace which are sustained by obfuscated institutional violence. You assume your own superiority even as you depend on others to enforce it. You are a subhuman.

[Anonymous No.18866589]

>>18866556
>oh no the west is being pushed to extremes by savages
>SO YOU ARE YOU JOINING THE TALIBAN? YOU'RE NOT HAH THAT MEANS YOU'RE A PUSSY LIAR
Which is it? You don't need to be part of the Taliban to see there's a lot to learn from them, their long struggle and victory is a hope and a lesson to all American patriots.

[Anonymous No.18866605]

>>18866571
I never claimed to be in favor of other institutional violence. It isn't about "superiority", I truly believe all men are created equal. However too many decide to waddle around in the dark, turning to violence, and force to get what they want out of life.
>>18866589
The point is I'm being called a hypocrite, when he is himself. Killings are based taliban based taking away human rights mega based! No I won't do it though and I love my human rights god I'm so glad mommy sent me home with food this weekend! The biggest takeaway for me is my general disappointment with humanity. Truly this world is a hellhole.

[Anonymous No.18866628]

>>18866605
>>I never claimed to be in favor of other institutional violence.
You did, even and especially if you don't realize it. That is the quintessential American liberal, a useful idiot who profits from the pain of others while posturing as some enlightened savior. You lead an unnatural life that is only made possible by collectivism gone made and originally organized by men very different and far better than you. Nature is self correcting, that is the downfall of American hegemony, it's the world righting itself.

[Anonymous No.18866630]

>>18860735
Tom Wolfe's essay "Roccoco Marxists" actually talks about this phenomenon quite a bit. I think it's in his "Hooking Up" anthology. Tom Wolfe's later period was surprisingly patriotic, actually.

[Anonymous No.18866653]

>>18866630
Is this gist of it just
>faggy jew professors are the principle beneficiaries of Liberalism but talk about destroying the White people whom they are parasiting off of
?

[Anonymous No.18866701]

>>18866628
incredibly based post
to add to this, america only exists on the loan of cultural and moral stability that came about after WW2, and progressives/ liberals/ leftists themselves seem ardent on depleting all of this good-will and killing it off themselves

[Anonymous No.18866822]

>>18866248
Pretty much. I'm pretty sure its only one very autistic /pol/ack that's replying to everybody.

[Anonymous No.18866825]

>>18860735
>Is America the first major civilization where many of the inhabitants who benefit from it actively hate it?
No.
>What are some books to learn more about this phenomenon?
The Decline of the West.

But don't fear, bro. Caesarism is coming.

[Anonymous No.18866883]

>america
>civilization

keep telling yourself that OP

[Anonymous No.18866894]

>>18866248
>/pol/tards don't know the difference between lefitsm and liberalism
>'culture war' bullshit
There is no difference between leftists and liberals precisely because they are in lockstep on what you conveniently brush aside as 'culture war bullshit'

[Anonymous No.18866991]

>>18866894
>There is no difference between leftists and liberals

hoo boy, look at all that american education. that right there is something to behold. just breathtaking...

[Anonymous No.18867026]

>>18866991
That is correct, you both worship black people, communists also sometimes cry that people own things but this is a minor difference really

[Anonymous No.18867048]

>>18867026
>you both worship black people

nope, that's just your american culture projecting onto leftists, most of whom rarely even see blacks.

there is no Left in america. in europe and latin america, leftism is about workers rights. in america everytjhing, left or right, is about gays, blacks, jews and women with penises.

[Anonymous No.18867057]

>>18866248
>>/pol/tards don't know the difference between lefitsm and liberalism

There's a difference between the different sects of leftism, but liberalism is still one of them. Communists pretending they are the only leftists are fucking morons. Communism wasn't even a thing when the concept of the left came to be. 99% of people living today would be considered a leftist 200 years ago. Conservatives are just tame progressives. Even many reactionaries only want to go back to the 50s or whatever, so they are still leftists. The only true right wingers are those who are pro-nomian and want to bring the monarchy back or at least end the current decentralized government. Everyone else is a leftist.

[Anonymous No.18867060]

>>18867048
Would you prefer racist communism or antiracist liberalism?

[Anonymous No.18867060,1]

Why all the good threads keep getting deleted?