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He was right about Hegel

>> No.18855957
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>He was right about Hegel
>Proceeds to be right about Hegel
>Acknowledgments concerning their relationship affirm this
>No one has ever been as right about Hegel as this man

>> No.18856010

>>18855951
German idealism was a mistake and Schopenhauer was the only one who made something of it that wasn't an abomination.

>> No.18856016

>>18856010
Agreed

>> No.18856028

was nietzchewhateveriforgothowtospellhimfuckoff just a failed refutation to him or what, redpill me on this

>> No.18856030

Hegel went down in history as a revolutionary philosopher and possibly the most important one out of modernity.
Schopy went down in history as a meme on a chinese cartoon board.

>> No.18856035

>>18856030
if jews won world war two and printed that they were killed by nazis in the history books would that make them better?

>> No.18856040

>>18856028
Nietzsche is what happens when you start from Schopenhauer's philosophy but decide to embrace the Will, accepting the aimless striving knowing full well there's no meaning to be found there but thinking you can make your own.

>> No.18856046

>>18856035
Nope, because there's a lot more shit outside of that context you can condemn them for.
Schopy hasn't done anything out of philosophy to earn him merit in other fields.

>> No.18856052

>>18856040
>thinking you can make your own
is this valid or am I to assume no based on N's eventual mental breakdown?

>> No.18856058

>>18856046
>Schopy hasn't done anything out of philosophy to earn him merit in other fields.
k, but how much merit does he have in this one respective field?

>> No.18856061

>>18856058
Not as much as you ascribe to him, that's for sure.

>> No.18856062

>>18856052
I'm a Schopenappreciator myself so I'm biased but I'm convinced you can't.

>> No.18856066

>>18856061
maybe so
he's still based tho

>> No.18856085

>>18856030
I'm going to take the opinion of a retard over Wagner, Tolstoy, Einstein, Mann, Melville, Borges, Proust, Zola, Prokofiev, Schrödinger, Brahms, Mahler, Maupassant and countless others

>> No.18856087

>>18856066
Schopy's OK, and even though I'm ready to point to deflate his hype at any given point, I can at least acknowledge him as a more proper and interesting philosopher than Nietzsche. Liking Schopy shouldn't be a reason to shit on Hegel though, don't let the personal dramas of dead people influence how you ascribe value to their works.

>> No.18856097

>>18856087
Schopenhauer wasn't the only philosopher who thought Hegel was shit

>> No.18856103

>>18856097
I know, but Hegel was not the first or last philosopher to be disliked by his peers, that still shouldn't affect how you treat his works.

>> No.18856109

>>18856103
I use the thought of philosophers to justify my opinion because my opinion is worthless otherwise.

>> No.18856116

>>18856109
even the best of our philosophers are shithead retards compared to our alien visitors
we are all worthless apes

>> No.18856118

>>18856109
My first instinct was to reply with "haha lol" but I've been on 4chan for so long I've become careful with how willingly I'd ascribe comedic intentions to posts.

>> No.18856121

>>18856116
you think the aliens like PAWGs?

>> No.18856135

>>18856118
I'm serious. Why would you take a position on something unless you were an expert or close to it?

>> No.18856136

>>18856121
perhaps

>> No.18856142

>>18856135
why take a position at all?

>> No.18856146

>>18856142
I agree

>> No.18856160

>>18856135
What do you read philosophy for? Honest question.

>> No.18856162

>>18856116
>trusting ayy lmaos
Yeah I'm sure they have totally benign reasons for kidnapping people and poking them with weird metal instruments and raping them

>> No.18856174

>>18856160
To try get a better understanding of the world but I don't strongly believe in any positions as a layman. I can take a course on economics or read Paul Krugman's NYTimes pieces but I would never say I understand the world now because I did so. I'd venture to say even the experts shouldn't have strong positions. Every little thing in philosophy has 6 completely different positions all of which have some of the best philosophers and geniuses of the world who subscribe to it. How are you going to tell them that they're wrong?

>> No.18856185

>>18856162
sounds based to me

>> No.18856187

>>18856174
>How are you going to tell them that they're wrong?
This goes both ways. If you're a layman, how can you tell that they're right?

>> No.18856192

>>18856187
>If you're a layman, how can you tell that they're right?
I don't know. I literally just said that. No one should take any strong positions on anything.

>> No.18856197

>>18856187
i don't, I merely trust in the judgement of those who I gather are my intellectual betters

>> No.18856203

>>18856192
Well alright then, if you're this open about it, then you shouldn't judge Hegel's work based on what some of his contemporaries thought of him. The same goes for any philosopher, or scientist, or anyone frankly. Study the field, then make your own conclusions. Philosophy should not be treated like a catalogue of dogmas, and studying it is just a process of finding the right one that suits your tastes.

>> No.18856206

>>18856203
That's a different thing I objectively know Hegel has no substance

>> No.18856212

>>18856206
But you didn't rely on your own conclusions to say that initially, you relied on what Schopy thought of him, you didn't say "I personally concluded that Hegel's work is BS".

>> No.18856218

>>18856197
also, being aesthetic is also important, as beautiful people I gather will have better evaluations owing to their obviously superior breeding
My task is to find the most beautiful and intelligent being my subjective senses will permit, and follow that person endlessly until a more beautiful person kills them or some such

>> No.18856219

>>18856212
Every possible way I could know is how I know.

>> No.18856225

>>18856219
So you don't deny that you just went off of what Schopy said despite your apparent sceptic openness?

>> No.18856228

>>18856225
I'm going based on what hundreds of philosophers said. I'm going based on my own reading Hegel. I'm going based on everything. If there is was one thing that's a law it's Hegel is for posturing pseuds

>> No.18856233

>>18856228
>HUNDREDS
Hegel didn't even have like 30 contemporaries in his philosophical niche lol

>> No.18856245

>>18856233
I didn't mean only in his circle.

>> No.18856255

>>18856245
OK we both know you're lying/exaggerating and you don't have an actual figure for how many philosophers were/are critical of Hegel, and if you're going to appeal to authority, then Schopy must be worse since he has had even more critics than Hegel, both in life and after death. But anyway I can tell you're half-shitposting regardless, and I think it's a shame you've blocked yourself off from one of the most beautiful philosphical corpuses in the world.

>> No.18856276

>>18856255
I could just spam all the philosophers I know that were critical of Hegel or just ask you if analytical philosophers were asked what they thought about Hegel 80% of them would say they weren't big fans and you would agree

>> No.18856321

>>18856136
based

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>>18855951
>He was right about Hegel
Implies that you have read what Schopenhauer wrote about Hegel.
Implies that you have directly read.
Implies that you not only have read but also mastered the Hegelian project.
Based if true.
Of course there is always the possibility that the intent of Schopenhauer was not to engage with the Hegelian project at all but to deceive future generations into a state of blissful ignorance to avoid struggling with his ideas.

>> No.18857269

>>18857119
Schopenhauer isn't the only guy who hated Hegel. There are hundreds

>> No.18857296

>>18857119
Hegel was an evil man. He knew about Marxism and its consequences and let shit run loose.

>> No.18857336

>>18856010
whats wrong with german idealism? also what about it that is wrong as opposed to british empiricism

>> No.18857829

>>18857336
Schopenhauer was influenced by British philosophers like Hume and Berkeley.

>> No.18857850

>>18857296
Marxism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>> No.18857920

>>18857850
No. Marx is basically on Ted's side.

>> No.18858034

this board needs flags so bad. pretty sure all the religious fags on here are amerimutts, pajeets, bongs, spaniards, south americans. not germans. "german" idealism was just 3 individuals constantly mocked by their great contemporaries such as kant, goethe, schiller, wieland, von kleist, a. von humboldt, schopenhauer, herbart, etc