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[Anonymous No.18835645]

Can I quote Savitri Devi in my paper?
I'm writing about Akhnaton and her biography of him is perhaps one of the most fascinating ones there is.

[Anonymous No.18835659]

>>18835645
>Savitri Devi
who
>Akhnaton
and who
but yes, you can

[Anonymous No.18835668]

>>18835645
who?

[Anonymous No.18836020]

Never cite non-academics in academic papers or you'll look like a pseud. Academic is defined loosely but basically, someone your professor would take seriously as an authority. Someone whose ideas are now outdated but who did serious research legwork might be an authority on some things but not on others. Savitri Devi is great and right about everything but not an academic source on Akhenaten.

Think about her sources of information. If they are esoteric or speculative, like Freud's theories of Egyptian religion, they aren't academically admissible. If they are taken from other academic sources, the obvious question is why aren't you looking at those more original sources instead of this second-hand compiler and synthesiser?

Even someone like Jan Assmann is "handle with care" territory in academia these days because he has a speculative bent.

[Anonymous No.18836135]

>>18836020
Savitri Devi is an academic though, she had a PhD and two masters degrees.

[Anonymous No.18836205]

>>18836135
So were most members of the Ahnenerbe but you don't cite them in your papers. It's not about having a PhD or not having a PhD, it's about being academically admissible by the current status quo. Again, you don't cite Freud in a psychology paper although you may cite him in a paper about Freud's ideas.

[Anonymous No.18836234]

>>18836205
>it's about being academically admissible by the current status quo.
Only if you care about kissing ass to pursue the pyramid scheme that is academia. If you are not laying the foundation for a future career in academia then there is no problem with citing Devi.

[Anonymous No.18836241]

>>18836205
Yes I agree. Context is what's important. You can definitely quote her, it just matters how the quote is incorporated in the paper.

[Anonymous No.18836266]

>>18836234
You have to pick your battles. You think I give a shit about academia if I just said Savitri Devi was right about everything?

There's a big difference between citing Devi because she's relevant in some way, citing Devi in an extremely subtle way that is unimpeachable because you're trying to make a splash and cause a controversy on purpose, and just citing Devi in your shitty undergraduate paper no one gives a fuck about and the professor doesn't even want to read. Think about your audience. Your liberal normie professor and sole reader isn't going to pop his monocle and start sputtering about how you dabbed on him. He's either going to not know who she is and say "don't cite cranks," or if he knows who she is, he's going to dislike you for being a Trump supporting neo-Nazi and give you a shitty grade to spite you even if the paper is good. Then you'll never see him again and he'll never see you again in his mediocre life but you'll always have a dent in your GPA slightly hampering your chances at whatever you go onto next.

>>18836241
Exactly. Oddly this happens most with Islamic students I've known who cite religious authorities or Guenon because they can't quite understand the difference between "the academic establishment accepts this as a valid citation" and "I personally know this is correct."

[Anonymous No.18836273]

>>18835645
I swear to god I have seen this exact thread before

[Anonymous No.18836309]

>>18836266
>Oddly this happens most with Islamic students I've known who cite religious authorities or Guenon because they can't quite understand the difference between "the academic establishment accepts this as a valid citation" and "I personally know this is correct."
That must have been so irritating for someone as prissy as you, to see someone so callously ignoring all the subtle rules of academic decorum which you pride yourself on following

[Anonymous No.18836327]

>>18836266
i hate academia so fucking much bros Guenon (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.18836365]

>>18836309
Actually I enjoy it and talk to them about their ideas, I just tell them to be careful with doing that in their other classes, for reasons you would understand if you read my posts where I've explained it twice now, with examples. You are proving my point that you are so hung up on a pointless ostentatious rebellion against nobody and nothing that you can't think strategically. You are a "political romantic," you want to be seen to be rebelling and see yourself rebelling but you don't actually know what rebellion is or what its stakes are.

[Anonymous No.18836395]

>>18836020
The Assmann is published by university presses. You can cite him.