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>claims that ''original'' Buddhism believed in the existence of ātman/Self
does this faggot even know ancient Pali, let alone Sanskrit and Greek?

>> No.18829501

>>18829487
if the self doesn't exist why does the circle of reincarnation exist

>> No.18829505

>>18829487
ngl this is the only person I'd ever seriously watch in a debate just because I want to know how much of what he says is just bullshit. he's the classic combination of defensive/insulting so he's obviously a pseud about a lot, but i don't know enough about magentism or pali to tell what he's lying about...

>> No.18829533

>>18829487
My dad is watching his videos now. When I asked what on earth he was doing it he said all of his other boomer coworkers can't stop talking about him. I had to leave the room.

>> No.18829562

Nibbana is the incomprehensible beyond concept.
Buddha can not put that into language and concepts.
Do not take a side of self, do not identify with having no self. For that is how you trick yourself.
The point of the idea of no self is only sunyata but people twist it, obsessing over self and no self.

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>> No.18829918

>>18829487
>does this faggot even know ancient Pali, let alone Sanskrit and Greek?
He claims to know Pali, I don't know if I should believe Ken that he knows it.

Ananda Coomaraswamy, who knew all three languages, held the same opinion as Ken that Buddha taught an Upanishadic Atman via apophatic negation. Here are two essays by Coomaraswamy where he argues for that being true, and wherein he cites many passages from the Pali Canon

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lZZwozWViHtwolDHzM8GB1qgWfKbLkOh/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ORSdqJ-1LmVMgAHwYiRt0SwqeHIiRM6F/view

>> No.18829945

>>18829918
Coomaraswamy only held that view in order to cram Buddhism into his perennialist paradigm

>> No.18829953

>>18829487
>posting about superchat begging ecelebs instead of literature
yike

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>>18829953
/lit/ is a horrible place. We've got Jehovah's Witnesses proselytizing here now too.
>>18829918
There's already an apophatic teaching in Buddhism and it's not the atman. Knowledge of language doesn't guarantee accuracy of interpretation.

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>>18829980
>/lit/ is a horrible place. We've got Jehovah's Witnesses proselytizing here now too.
yeah i stopped coming here regularly a couple years ago when the butterfly posting was nonstop. now i just lurk, mostly. sad desu, lit used to be great.

>> No.18830027

>>18829501
There is no reincarnation in Buddhism.

>> No.18830035

>>18830027
Just calling it "rebirth" doesn't solve the problem.

>> No.18830053

>>18829501
Not a Buddhist, but my understanding is that it is the universal consciousness that reincarnates, of which you are just a witness, but then again, that would not explain why in some Buddhist traditions (some Tibetan ones come to mind) some memories can cross over

>> No.18830056

>>18829945
>Coomaraswamy only held that view in order to cram Buddhism into his perennialist paradigm
How would you know that was his motivation instead of the strength of the evidence itself being his motivation? I don't think you can reliably know that

>> No.18830068

>>18830053
>Not a Buddhist, but my understanding is that it is the universal consciousness that reincarnates
The vast majority of Buddhist schools actually reject the premise that there is any existing universal consciousness. This is closer to being a Hindu view than a Buddhist one.

>> No.18830075

>>18830035
State your problem more clearly then?

>> No.18830085

More importantly, did he really discover how magnets work? The Gathering of the Juggalos is less than 2 weeks away and this would be big news.

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>>18830085
>tfw when he already used magnets to transcend his material form, but just chooses to look like a bloated potato to test people's judgement

>> No.18830140

>>18830035
"Rebirth" and "reincarnation" are not the same thing. If you personally have not done any research on this topic, that's fine, your ignorance can be rectified, but that's not an excuse to go out and be wrong.

>> No.18830246

>>18830068
lol complete nonsense, did you just pull this out of your ass?

>> No.18830274

>>18830068
>This is closer to being a Hindu view than a Buddhist one.
It's not even a Hindu view, it's just flat out panpsychism, which is at its core just a modern retooling of Stoicism. It doesn't fit in with the Monistic Vedantin views (where Brahman is like Thales water), or the Nihilistic Vedantin views (where Brahman is literally just one thing and the only thing that exists), or even the Dualistic Vedantin views (where Brahman is separate from everything else).

Someone is going to misunderstand Storehouse Consciousness, and no, that's not what Storehouse Consciousness is.

>> No.18830330

>>18830274
Based ālayavijñana poster. 5 seeds have been purified in your dharma account.

>> No.18830386

>>18830274
>modern re-tolling of Stoicism
Holy shit where did you retards come from? You think soticiism is older than hindu? wtf kek. Yah no panpsychism has been at the core of all mysteries teachings since Atlantis bud, and much longer than that I wager