I've studied the bible for 27 years

[Anonymous No.18818853]

Ask me anything about the Bible !

[Anonymous No.18818855]

>>18818853
Who wrote it?

[Anonymous No.18818860]

>>18818855
the Bible is often clear about who penned its contents. Some parts begin with such phrases as “the words of Nehemiah,” “the vision of Isaiah,” and “the word of Jehovah that occurred to Joel.”—Nehemiah 1:1; Isaiah 1:1; Joel 1:1.

Most Bible writers acknowledged that they wrote in the name of Jehovah, the one true God, and that they were guided by him.

Prophets who wrote the Hebrew Scriptures proclaimed more than 300 times: “This is what Jehovah has said.” (Amos 1:3; Micah 2:3; Nahum 1:12) Other writers received God’s message through angels.—Zechariah 1:7, 9.

The Bible was written by some 40 men over the course of 1,600 years. Some men were used to write more than one book of the Bible.

In fact, the Bible is a miniature library of 66 books. It consists of the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures, called by many the Old Testament, and the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, often called the New Testament.

[Anonymous No.18818864]

How can there be christian warlords?

[Anonymous No.18818874]

>>18818864
In his illustration of the wheat and the weeds, Jesus foretold a great rebellion (apostasy) against true Christianity. (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43)

For a long period of time, true Christians and false Christians would be indistinguishable. Just as Jesus foretold, the apostasy flourished after the apostles died. (Acts 20:29, 30)

While apostate teachings may vary, the various forms of imitation Christianity have all “deviated from the truth.”—2 Timothy 2:18.

Jesus also predicted that the distinction between true and false Christianity would eventually become clear. This has happened in our time, during the “conclusion of a system of things.”—Matthew 13:30, 39.

[Anonymous No.18818904]

A religious friend of mine likes to make the claim that Paul's teachings were more foundational to the Christian religion than Jesus' himself. I'm not Christian nor do I know anything about the Bible but I find this very interesting. What do you think about this?

[Anonymous No.18818912]

Many leftists like to say that socialism is the only political ideology inherently compatible with Christianity. Do you believe this to be true? Why or why not?

[Anonymous No.18818922]

>>18818853
This clever progression implies that Jehovah's Witnesses set aside the Law of Jesus the same way Jesus set aside the Law of Moses.

[Anonymous No.18818933]

>>18818904
That's not true. 10 days after Jesus ascended to heaven, about 120 of his disciples gathered in a house in Jerusalem at the time of the Jewish Festival of Pentecost, 33 C.E. Suddenly, a noise like that of a rushing breeze filled the house. The disciples miraculously began speaking in languages that they did not know. What could explain these strange events? God had given holy spirit to the disciples.

Outside, there was a crowd because visitors had come from many lands for the festival. They were astounded to hear their own languages being spoken fluently by Jesus’ disciples. Explaining what had happened, Peter referred to the prophet Joel’s prophecy that God would “pour out” his spirit, which would impart miraculous gifts to those receiving it. (Joel 2:28, 29) This powerful evidence of holy spirit made it clear that an important change had occurred: God’s favor had shifted from Israel to the newly formed Christian congregation. Those who wanted to serve God acceptably now had to become followers of Christ.

Meanwhile, opposition grew, and enemies threw the disciples into prison. But during the night, Jehovah’s angel opened the prison doors and told the disciples to continue preaching. At daybreak, they did just that. They entered the temple and began to teach the good news about Jesus. Their religious opposers were furious and ordered them to stop preaching. Undaunted, the apostles replied: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.”—Acts 5:28, 29.

Persecution escalated. Certain Jews accused the disciple Stephen of blasphemy and stoned him to death. A young man—Saul of Tarsus—looked on, approving of the murder. He then went to Damascus to arrest anyone who followed Christ. As Saul traveled on the road, a light from heaven flashed around him and a voice said: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” Blinded by the light, Saul asked: “Who are you?” The voice answered: “I am Jesus.”—Acts 9:3-5.

Three days later, Jesus sent a disciple named Ananias to restore Saul’s sight. Saul was baptized and began preaching boldly about Jesus. Saul came to be known as the apostle Paul and became a zealous member of the Christian congregation.

[Anonymous No.18818943]

>>18818853
How can I personally make some additions to the bible? (Or more seriously: will we ever see a contemporary bible author?)

[Anonymous No.18818946]

>>18818912
Socialism = forced redistribution of wealth
This is clearly not compatible with christian charity, which is voluntary.

[Anonymous No.18818948]

>>18818912
Some people make this claim, pointing to Acts 4:32, which says of Christians in Jerusalem: “They had all things in common.” Investigation reveals, however, that this was just a temporary arrangement brought on by unforeseen circumstances, not a permanent system of “Christian” socialism. Because they shared material goods in a loving way, “there was not one in need among them.” Yes, “distribution would be made to each one, just as he would have the need.”—Acts 4:34, 35.

In any case, real Christians are to be politically neutral

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/

>>18818922
no it doesn't

[Anonymous No.18818960]

>>18818943
The writing of the Bible is inspired by God and there is no need to add anything more to it.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/good-news-in-the-bible-from-god/video-bible-true/

[Anonymous No.18818972]

>>18818853
About that last part, who where the people that Jehovah specifically chose? Wasnt very clear cause there are so many...

[Anonymous No.18818982]

>>18818972
People have used the teachings of Jesus Christ to form a variety of “Christian” denominations.

However, the Bible indicates that there is only one true form of Christianity.

Consider just three reasons for reaching this conclusion.

>1
Jesus said that he taught “the truth,” and early Christians referred to their religion as “the truth.” (John 8:32; 2 Peter 2:2; 2 John 4; 3 John 3) These expressions show that those who promote doctrines that conflict with Jesus’ teachings are not practicing a true form of Christianity.

>2
The Bible teaches that Christians “should all speak in agreement.” (1 Corinthians 1:10) However, many Christian denominations disagree on teachings as basic as what it means to be a Christian. Such denominations cannot all be right.—1 Peter 2:21.

>3
Jesus prophesied that many would claim to be Christian yet fail to obey his commands and that he would reject such ones. (Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 6:46) Some people would be misled by religious leaders who corrupt true worship to further their own interests. (Matthew 7:15) However, other people would actually prefer imitation Christianity because it would tell them what they want to hear rather than the truth from the Bible.—2 Timothy 4:3, 4.

Please read:

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/

[Anonymous No.18818987]

>>18818933
This doesn't say anything about the scale of effects Pauline theology had on development of Christianity.

>>18818948
“Clever progression” was ironic. According to that propaganda piece, there's little point in calling Jehovah's Witnesses Christians, just as with calling Christianity Judaism.

[Anonymous No.18818999]

What does it say about fapping? I know it says you shouldn't lust after others. What if you're fapping to your love for the Lord?

[Anonymous No.18819004]

> 15 posts, 8 posters
Wait, you people actually perform the work of spam bots manually instead of just using proxies? Don't you have anything better to do?

[Anonymous No.18819005]

>>18818960
But then why did the previous authors feel like they should've added more to the bible?

[Anonymous No.18819006]

>>18818987
>Pauline theology had on development of Christianity.

The newly established Christian congregation would have an important role in the fulfillment of Jehovah’s purpose. But the first-century Christians quickly came under attack. Would they keep their integrity to God in the face of persecution from without and other more subtle dangers from within?

The Christian Greek Scriptures contain 21 letters that offered needed counsel and encouragement.

14 of the letters—from Romans to Hebrews—were penned by the apostle Paul. These letters are named after those to whom they are addressed—whether an individual or the members of a particular congregation.

>there's little point in calling Jehovah's Witnesses Christians

We are Christians for the following reasons:

We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.

We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.

When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.

We offer our prayers in Jesus’ name.—John 15:16.

We believe that Jesus is the Head, or the one appointed to have authority, over every man.—1 Corinthians 11:3.

However, in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian. For example, we believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not part of a Trinity. (Mark 12:29) We do not believe that the soul is immortal, that there is any basis in Scripture for saying that God tortures people in an everlasting hell, or that those who take the lead in religious activities should have titles that elevate them above others.—Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 23:8-10.

[Anonymous No.18819014]

>>18818999
God’s Word commands Christians: “Deaden, therefore, your body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, [and improper] sexual appetite.”—Colossians 3:5.

Masturbation fosters a distorted and self-centered view of sex. The Bible assures us that God can impart “power beyond what is normal” to those who make a sincere effort to break this habit.—2 Corinthians 4:7; Philippians 4:13.

>>18819005
Nope.

[Anonymous No.18819016]

>>18818853
Hey anon, have you ever studied the other abrahamic texts or other religious texts? I get it if you think there's no reason to, but I've always wondered if there's underlying universal lessons that can be tied with all the religions and can be compiled into one "universal religion" book. I'm pretty naive when it comes to religion so please bear with my question if it's stupid

[Anonymous No.18819022]

>>18818999
God’s Word commands Christians: “Deaden, therefore, your body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, [and improper] sexual appetite.”—Colossians 3:5.

Masturbation fosters a distorted and self-centered view of sex. The Bible assures us that God can impart “power beyond what is normal” to those who make a sincere effort to break this habit.—2 Corinthians 4:7; Philippians 4:13.

>>18819005
Nope.

[Anonymous No.18819029]

>>18819014
>Nope.
I'm not tryna spook you man it's a genuine question. I don't get how the theological "quality control" works when additions to the bible were made.

[Anonymous No.18819031]

>>18819016
Many historians believe that the vast majority of religious practices originated from the same source.

For instance, Colonel Garnier considered the research of a number of outstanding scholars of ancient history and concluded that these “have indisputably proved . . . that, not merely Egyptians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans, but also the Hindus, the Buddhists of China and of Thibet, the Goths, Anglo-Saxons, Druids, Mexicans and Peruvians, the Aborigines of Australia, and even the savages of the South Sea Islands, must have all derived their religious ideas from a common source and a common centre.”

But where was this “common source”? Where was the origin of the religious beliefs that influenced that whole ancient world?

“Babylon,” states Garnier, was “the centre from which the ancient Paganism originated.” Others agree, such as professor of ancient languages Morris Jastrow, who writes of “the profound impression made upon the ancient world” by “religious thought in Babylonia.”

However, this same conclusion was recorded thousands of years ago in the Bible. It details the building of a city, including a huge tower, which eventually was called Babylon.

Ancient Babylon, located in the east, was renowned for its extensive religious culture. But the religion practiced there displeased the Almighty God. So he confused their languages and “scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.”—Gen. 11:1-9.

As a result, Babylon’s religious practices and beliefs spread earth wide. Just as the new languages were passed on from generation to generation, so too was the religion of ancient Babylon. This accounts for the basic similarities of ancient religions and of many today.

But the Bible also shows that the religion that pleased Jehovah God survived and 2,000 years ago was represented in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.18819037]

>>18819031
Thats really cool! Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.18819042]

>>18819022
>>18819029

[Anonymous No.18819043]

>>18819029
Are tou asking what are some of the divine indications that have determined the canonicity of the 66 books of the Bible?

First of all, the documents must deal with Jehovah’s affairs in the earth, turning men to his worship and stimulating deep respect for his name and for his work and purposes in the earth. They must give evidence of inspiration, that is, that they are products of holy spirit. (2 Pet. 1:21)

There must be no appeal to superstition or creature worship but, rather, an appeal to love and service of God. There would have to be nothing in any of the individual writings that would conflict with the internal harmony of the whole, but, rather, each book must, by its unity with the others, support the one authorship, that of Jehovah God.

We would also expect the writings to give evidence of accuracy down to the smallest details. In addition to these basic essentials, there are other specific indications of inspiration, and therefore of canonicity, according to the nature of each book’s contents, and these have been discussed herein in the introductory material to each of the Bible books.

Also, there are special circumstances that apply to the Hebrew Scriptures and others to the Christian Greek Scriptures that help in establishing the Bible canon:

https://www.jw.org/ase/library/bible/nwt/appendix-a/how-the-bible-came-to-us/

[Anonymous No.18819053]

>>18819043
Thanks bible bro

[Anonymous No.18819059]

>>18819037
>>18819053
You're welcome !

[Anonymous No.18819066]

>>18819006
Then the image is “slightly” misleading.

Obvious problem behind what you've mentioned is that Jesus was a Jewish messiah. That you can call yourself Christians is thanks to Paul.

[Anonymous No.18819088]

Did you study the Bible before or after becoming a Jehovah's witness? Secondly, why do you reject the Catholic Church which was created by our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:18)?

[Anonymous No.18819091]

>>18819066
Before his ascenssion Jesus commanded his followers to dhare the gospel to people of all nations (Matthew 24:14).

Jesus was originally to preach only to Jews, because he would die in three years and was to bring back the lost sheep, the Jews, to God. Since they already knew the Bible and who God was.

He occasionally preached to others, a Greeco-Phoenician woman and a Samaritan woman because their faith was so strong.

Then after his death, the door was open to gentiles to know the good news.

The first gentile convert was Cornelius and it was Peter who preached to him.

Jesus predicted that the Jewish system of things would not last (Matthew 24:1,2) and eventually it collapsed in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem. Christians now follow the teachings of jesus and his apostles, not the mosaic law.

No jews today can follow the mosaic law, because the jewish system was destroyed by romans in 70 AD so no more priests, no more temple, no more sacrifices etc

This is why it's called the old testament, and this is proof that the messiah had to arrive BEFORE the year 70 AD.

Hence modern jews follow the talmud, not the old testament.

[Anonymous No.18819101]

>>18819088
>Did you study the Bible before or after becoming a Jehovah's witness?

You can't become a JW without studying.
For most people, their religion is determined by their upbringing. If their parents are muslim, the child is muslim. If they're born in India, they'd be Indian etc

For us it's different, you first study the Bible to be convinced that it is the truth, and then decide for yourself if you want to become by baptism. It's a personal decision and no one can make it for you.


>Secondly, why do you reject the Catholic Church which was created by our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:18)?

Because I do not believe at all that's the case

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20151201/was-peter-the-first-pope/

[Anonymous No.18819104]

>>18819066
Before his ascenssion Jesus commanded his followers to dhare the gospel to people of all nations (Matthew 24:14).

Jesus was originally to preach only to Jews, because he would die in three years and was to bring back the lost sheep, the Jews, to God. Since they already knew the Bible and who God was.

He occasionally preached to others, a Greeco-Phoenician woman and a Samaritan woman because their faith was so strong.

Then after his death, the door was open to gentiles to know the good news.

The first gentile convert was Cornelius and it was Peter who preached to him.

Jesus predicted that the Jewish system of things would not last (Matthew 24:1,2) and eventually it collapsed in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem. Christians now follow the teachings of jesus and his apostles, not the mosaic law.

No jews today can follow the mosaic law, because the jewish system was destroyed by romans in 70 AD so no more priests, no more temple, no more sacrifices etc

This is why it's called the old testament, and this is proof that the messiah had to arrive BEFORE the year 70 AD.

Hence modern jews follow the talmud, not the old testament.

[Anonymous No.18819107]

>>18819101
If they're born in India, they'd be Hindu*

[Anonymous No.18819124]

For fucks sake, go back to /his/ you fucking lunatic

[Anonymous No.18819147]

>>18818853
What's a good supplemental reading book for The Bible? Something that gives me historical context to what I'm reading, or maybe some references to what people are talking about

[Anonymous No.18819151]

>>18819147

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/history/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-message/

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/

[Anonymous No.18819170]

>>18819151
These are for kids and grown-ups who read kids' books.

>>18819147
The Satanic Bible by LaVey
The Antichrist by Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.18819177]

>>18819101
>https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20151201/was-peter-the-first-pope/

>Consistent with this, many of the “Church Fathers” wrote that the rock of Matthew 16:18 is Christ. For example, Augustine in the fifth century wrote: “The Lord said: ‘On this rock-mass I will build my Church,’ because Peter had told him: ‘You are the Christ the Son of the living God.’ It is therefore on this rock-mass, that you confessed, that I will build my Church.” Augustine repeatedly stated that “the Rock (Petra) was Christ.”

>Augustine and others would be considered heretics if judged according to current Catholic doctrine. In fact, according to Swiss theologian Ulrich Luz, the consensus of opinion on this subject among Bible scholars today would have been condemned by the 1870 Vatican Council as heresy.

This isn't true. See:

https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-origin-of-the-statement-rome-has-spoken-the-matter-is-finished

>In a sermon to his flock, Augustine informed them that the pope had ratified the condemnations of the Pelagian heresy pronounced at the councils of Milevi and Carthage. He said “The two councils sent their decrees to the Apostolic See and the decrees quickly came back. The cause is finished; would that the error were as quickly finished (Sermon 131:10).” This has developed over the centuries into the commonly known formula [Rome has spoken, the matter is finished].

>Augustine was commenting on the authority of the pope and the fact that councils of the Church are authoritative only if approved by the bishop of Rome.

[Anonymous No.18819239]

>>18818853
Is there a proof of Gods existence?

[Anonymous No.18819245]

>>18818853
What is the best english version? What do you think about he douay-rheims version?

[Anonymous No.18819249]

What the fuck is this thread
Don't reply to that regard, he knows nothing about theology
Actual theology PhD here.

[Anonymous No.18819257]

>>18819249
> PhD
> not a licentiate

sneed

[Anonymous No.18819276]

OP, first of all thank you!

My question is, i wont be a virgin when I marry, therefore am I going to hell? I just cant keep my dick in my pants and the Lord knows I struggle with it.

[Anonymous No.18819285]

>>18818853
Stay on /his/ please.

[Anonymous No.18819304]

>>18819177
Augustine at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view. Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures (Mt 16:18, ftn, p. 296) quotes Augustine as saying:
>“The rock is not so named from Peter, but Peter from the rock (non enim a Petro petra, sed Petrus a petra), even as Christ is not so called after the Christian, but the Christian after Christ. For the reason why the Lord says, ‘On this rock I will build my church,’ is that Peter had said: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On this rock, which thou hast confessed, says he, I will build my church. For Christ was the rock (petra enim erat Christus), upon which also Peter himself was built; for other foundation can no man lay, than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”—(Translated and edited by P. Schaff, 1976.)

>>18819239

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/was-life-created/

>>18819245
I use the NWT because it's easy to read and understand

>>18819249
>>18819257
the apostles of Jesus Christ were “unlettered and ordinary” men. (Acts 4:13) Explaining why, Paul wrote: “You behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame.” (1 Corinthians 1:26, 27)

[Anonymous No.18819313]

>>18819276
Hell doesn't exist, it's a pagan lie that depicts God as cruel

Those in so-called "hell" are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.”—Ecclesiastes 9:10.

Good people go to hell. The faithful men Jacob and Job expected to go there.—Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13.

Death, not torment in a fiery hell, is the penalty for sin. “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”—Romans 6:7.

Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) God would have been lying if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell.

God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”—1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/ebtv/is-hell-real/

>>18819170
>These are for kids and grown-ups who read kids' books.

Is this better ?

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-study/

[Anonymous No.18819317]

>>18818853
Is there any secondary literature on the Book of Joshua you'd recommend? Or, in addition, any other beautiful or noteworthy mentions of music and sound in the Bible?

[Anonymous No.18819331]

>>18819313
Thanks!

to follow up on your answer, how come catholic prayers are full of phrases like "save us from the fires of hell", is it just a non literal way to express the sorrow of sin?

[Anonymous No.18819333]

>>18819317
>Is there any secondary literature on the Book of Joshua you'd recommend?

yea

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002524

>Or, in addition, any other beautiful or noteworthy mentions of music and sound in the Bible?

Music is one of the gifts of God by which man can render praise and thanksgiving to his Creator as well as give expression to his emotions, his sorrows and joys.

Especially has singing been prominent in the worship of God, but instrumental music, too, has played a vital role.

So it is not surprising that references to both vocal and instrumental music abound in the Bible from beginning to end, in association with true worship and otherwise.—Ge 4:21; 31:27; 1Ch 25:1; Re 18:22.

These are my favorite songs !

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/songs/wonderfully-made-by-god/

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/songs/time-line-jesus-life/

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/songs/mary-humble-willing/

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/songs/2-jehovah-is-your-name/

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/songs/96-gods-own-book-a-treasure/

Share yours too !

[Anonymous No.18819337]

>>18819331
I am not catholic, catholics believe in hell but the Bible doesn't teach that

[Anonymous No.18819338]

>>18819101
Thoughts on orthodoxy?

[Anonymous No.18819346]

>>18819338
I do not believe their teachings are in harminy with God's word

[Anonymous No.18819362]

>>18818982
Ok so the JW are the TRUE Christians is that it? I had no idea

[Anonymous No.18819371]

>>18818853
Where would Jesus be on the political spectrum? I know hes not a fence sitter so dont say centrist.

[Anonymous No.18819377]

>>18818853
How old is Earth?

[Anonymous No.18819392]

>>18819362
Only true church is the Catholic Church anything else is not Christianity.

[Anonymous No.18819398]

>>18819362
That's what I believe, yes

Why not see for yourself and decide if what they say is true or not?

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/request-a-visit/

>>18819371
Apolotical, the only government Jesus supports is God's kingdom.

>>18819377
The Bible does not comment on the age of the earth. Genesis 1:1 simply states that the physical universe, including our earth, had a beginning. This statement conflicts neither with sound scientific principles nor with scientists’ estimates of the age of the earth.

[Anonymous No.18819440]

>>18819398
>This statement conflicts neither with sound scientific principles nor with scientists’ estimates of the age of the earth.
But doesn't The Bible describe entire human lineage since Adam? Adam was ~1000 year old when he died, Seth ~900 yo, etc?

[Anonymous No.18819468]

>>18819440
Are you asking about the age of the earth or age of mankind ?

If you are asking about age of mankind the bible indicates Adam was created in 4026 BCE so humans are around 6,000 years old

[Anonymous No.18819471]

baby killing good or bad?

[Anonymous No.18819476]

>>18818853
Why did Judas rat to Romans while Jesus slept?

[Anonymous No.18819480]

What a nice thread OP.
>>18818874
>Jesus also predicted that the distinction between true and false Christianity would eventually become clear. This has happened in our time, during the “conclusion of a system of things.”—Matthew 13:30, 39.
could you develop this thought please?

[Anonymous No.18819489]

If Jesus died for all of humanity why is universalism rejected?
Also, what do you think about postmortem evangelism, apocatastasis and other forms of universal salvation?

[Anonymous No.18819493]

>>18819471
Life is a gift from God. (Genesis 9:6; Psalm 36:9) He considers all life to be precious, including the life of a child in the womb. So if someone intentionally kills an unborn child, that amounts to murder.

God’s Law to the Israelites stated: “If men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges. But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life.”—Exodus 21:22, 23.

>>18819476
He loved money more than he did Jesus :(

>>18819480
This explains Jesus' parable of the wheats and weeds:

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20130715/jesus-parable-wheat-and-weeds/

[Anonymous No.18819496]

>>18818933
>Peter referred to the prophet Joel’s prophecy that God would “pour out” his spirit, which would impart miraculous gifts to those receiving it.
is one to understand that the Holy Spirit acts within the framework of experience? So that while it is extraordinary experience, still it is not the experience of I AM? Or is it this "I AM"-iness that makes the "language" universal?

[Anonymous No.18819504]

>>18819489
I don't know what universalism is, but Jesus died so that humans could have their sins forgiven and receive endless life. (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 1:7)

Jesus’ death also proved that a human can remain loyal to God even when faced with the severest of tests.—Hebrews 4:15

[Anonymous No.18819507]

>>18819496
I'm not sure I understand the question :/

[Anonymous No.18819513]

>>18819504
>Jesus’ death also proved that a human can remain loyal to God even when faced with the severest of tests
WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME LORD?!

[Anonymous No.18819518]

>>18819006
>However, in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian. For example, we believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not part of a Trinity. (Mark 12:29) We do not believe that the soul is immortal, that there is any basis in Scripture for saying that God tortures people in an everlasting hell, or that those who take the lead in religious activities should have titles that elevate them above others.—Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 23:8-10.
Are you aware that you are just one step away from Islam? In fact, Muslims would have a lot more respect and tolerance for those Christians who do not consider Christ as God. The Qur'an, al-Māʾidah (The Table Spread), 72-74:
"They certainly disbelieve, those who say, 'Truly God is the Messiah, son of Mary.' But the Messiah said, 'O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' Surely whosoever ascribes partners unto God, God has forbidden him the Garden, and his refuge shall be the Fire. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers. They certainly disbelieve, those who say, 'Truly God is the third of three,' while there is no god save the one God. If they refrain not from what they say, a painful punishment will befall those among them who disbelieved. Will they not turn to God in repentance and seek His forgiveness? And God is Forgiving, Merciful."

[Anonymous No.18819529]

>>18819513
by using these words he could fulfill a prophetic indication about the Messiah. Hours earlier Jesus told the apostles that things would happen “just as it is written concerning him.” (Matthew 26:24; Mark 14:21) Yes, he wanted to carry out the things that were written, including things in Psalm 22. You may find it revealing to compare Psalm 22:7, 8—Matthew 27:39, 43; Psalm 22:15—John 19:28, 29; Psalm 22:16—Mark 15:25 and John 20:27; Psalm 22:18—Matthew 27:35.

Psalm 22, which gave so many prophetic indications of the Messiah’s experiences, begins: “My God, my God, why have you left me?” Hence, when Jesus cried out as he did, he was adding to the record of prophecies that he fulfilled.—Luke 24:44.

The psalmist did not believe that his God had simply rejected or abandoned him, for David went on to say that he would ‘declare God’s name to his brothers,’ and he urged others to praise Jehovah. (Psalm 22:22, 23) Similarly, Jesus, who knew Psalm 22 well, also had reason for confidence that his Father still approved of him and loved him, despite what God allowed him to experience on the stake.

[Anonymous No.18819531]

>>18819529
Didn't read.

[Anonymous No.18819533]

>>18819518
That's probably the only thing muslism got right I think, lol

[Anonymous No.18819538]

>>18819507
the question, really, is what is this Holy Spirit? At some point in the gospels Jesus says that God is a spirit form. Are these two things related, for instance?

[Anonymous No.18819551]

>>18819538
The holy spirit is not a person but God's active power

Think of the force from Star Wars maybe ?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-the-holy-spirit/

[Anonymous No.18819585]

>>18819551
so what makes the pentacost an outpouring of holy spirit is that it is a miracle?

What is the JW view on God? What is God? Why is the HS not God?

[Anonymous No.18819589]

>>18819533
I think if you dedicate some time to study the Qur'an and Hadith, you will find much more that they got right.

Al-Māʾidah (The Table Spread), 109-111:

The day when God will gather the messengers and say, “What response did you receive?” they will say, “We have no knowledge. Truly it is Thou Who knowest best the things unseen.” Then God will say, “O Jesus son of Mary! Remember My Blessing upon thee, and upon thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, that thou mightest speak to people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught thee the Book, Wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel; and how thou wouldst create out of clay the shape of a bird, by My Leave, and thou wouldst breathe into it, and it would become a bird, by My Leave; and thou wouldst heal the blind and the leper, by My Leave; and thou wouldst bring forth the dead, by My Leave; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from thee, when thou didst bring them clear proofs, and those who disbelieved among them said, ‘This is naught but manifest sorcery.’ And when I inspired the apostles to believe in Me and in My messenger, they said, ‘We believe. Bear witness that we are submitters.'"

[Anonymous No.18819610]

in my country JW are basically famous for htree things:
1. aggressive proselytizing,
2. seclike internal "legal" system, where outsiders are not involved for things like domestic abuse,
3. an idea that there are limited seats in heaven.

they are not known for any good deeds, though we all know they exist and are active among us.

[Anonymous No.18819656]

>And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever,a 17 the spirit of the truth,b which the world cannot receive, because it neither sees it nor knows it.c You know it, because it remains with you and is in you.
how is this not Nibbana?

[Anonymous No.18819715]

So how come there is not a single manuscript of the New Testament with the divine name in it, despite the claims of your Watchtower? The New World Translation literally inserts a bunch of "Jehovahs" where the original says kyrios (lord). Not that any Greek text would say "Jehovah" (a western corruption based on a misunderstanding), a Greek transliteration of the divine name found in pre-Christian manuscripts is "Iaō"

[Anonymous No.18819716]

Can you read Matthew 4;10 and Matthew 8;1-2 for me?

[Anonymous No.18819769]

>>18819585
>so what makes the pentacost an outpouring of holy spirit is that it is a miracle?

It's significant vecause by this miracle God showed that he approved Christianity as his means of salvation and not Judaism

>>18819715
The words were Kyrios appear in extant manuscripts are quotations of OT verses, where the name of Jehovah appears. All the OT manuscripts have God's name, as well as the greek Septuagint. So it is logical to think that the name was originally in the NT.
After all, Jesus did say:
>“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”—JOHN 17:6, 26.
I don't see why it wouldn't be farfetched, many current translations of the Bible still place LORD where it should say Jehovah.
As wikipedia says, removing God's name it follows the Jewish superstition of viewing God's name as too holy to pronounce
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

>Not that any Greek text would say "Jehovah" (a western corruption based on a misunderstanding), a Greek transliteration of the divine name found in pre-Christian manuscripts is "Iaō"

As already said though, the Septuagint contains God's name. Jehovah is the english pronunciation that comes from latin IEOVA, we don't know how YHWH was pronunced originally. But it doesn't matter, as long ass God's name is used. Name pronunciations change accoridng to the language

For example in English you say Jesus but in Hebrew it's Yeshuah.

[Anonymous No.18819778]

just how clear is the canonical bible about the nature of the devil? is there any reference to him being a rebel angel, or even just some fallen creation of the christian god?

[Anonymous No.18819779]

>>18819610

It is true that we spread the Bible’s message “to the most distant part of the earth,” doing so “publicly and from house to house,” as commanded in the Bible. (Acts 1:8; 10:42; 20:20) And like the early Christians, we are sometimes accused of proselytizing illegally. (Acts 18:12, 13) However, those accusations are false. We do not try to force our beliefs on anyone. Instead, we believe that people should be allowed to take in knowledge so that they may make an informed choice.

The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4) In the vision recorded at Revelation 14:1-3, the apostle John saw “the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000.” In this vision, “the Lamb” represents the resurrected Jesus. (John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:19) “Mount Zion” represents the exalted position of Jesus and the 144,000 who rule with him in the heavens.—Psalm 2:6; Hebrews 12:22.

Those “who are called and chosen” to rule with Christ in the Kingdom are referred to as a “little flock.” (Revelation 17:14; Luke 12:32) This shows that they would be relatively few in comparison with the complete number of Jesus’ sheep.—John 10:16.

God promises everlasting life on earth for most good people.—Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.

Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.—Job 14:13-15.

The resurrection to heavenly life is called “the first resurrection.” (Revelation 20:6) This indicates that there will be another resurrection. It will be an earthly one.

The Bible teaches that under the rule of God’s Kingdom, “death will be no more.” (Revelation 21:3, 4) This promise must apply to the earth, since death has never existed in heaven.

God calls those who will receive everlasting life on earth “my people,” “my chosen ones,” and “those blessed by Jehovah.” (Isaiah 65:21-23) They will have the privilege of fulfilling God’s original purpose for humankind—everlasting life in perfection on a paradise earth.—Genesis 1:28; Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 45:18.

[Anonymous No.18819790]

>>18818853
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

[Anonymous No.18819791]

>>18819778
The Bible describes Satan as a real person who exists in the invisible spirit realm. (Job 1:6) It tells us about his vicious and ruthless qualities as well as his evil actions. (Job 1:13-19; 2:7, 8; 2 Timothy 2:26) It even records conversations that Satan had with God and with Jesus.—Job 1:7-12; Matthew 4:1-11.

Where did such an evil being come from? Long before man existed, God created his “firstborn” Son, who eventually came to be known as Jesus. (Colossians 1:15) In time, other “sons of God,” called angels, were created. (Job 38:4-7) All were perfect and righteous. However, one of those angels would become Satan.

Satan was not his given name at the time of his creation. It is a descriptive name, which means “Adversary; Enemy; Accuser.” He came to be called Satan because he chose a life course in opposition to God.

Feelings of pride and rivalry toward God grew within this spirit creature. He wanted others to worship him. When God’s firstborn Son, Jesus, was on the earth, Satan even attempted to get Jesus to “do an act of worship” to him.—Matthew 4:9.

Satan “did not stand fast in the truth.” (John 8:44) He implied that God was a liar, when, in fact, he was the liar. He told Eve that she could be like God, whereas he wanted to be like God. And through his deceitful ways, he achieved his selfish desire. To Eve, he made himself higher than God. By obeying Satan, Eve accepted Satan as her god.—Genesis 3:1-7.

By fomenting rebellion, this once trusted angel made himself Satan—an adversary and enemy of God and man. The designation “Devil,” which means “Slanderer,” was also added to this wicked one’s description. This leader of sin eventually influenced other angels to disobey God and join his rebellion. (Genesis 6:1, 2; 1 Peter 3:19, 20) These angels did not make mankind’s situation better. Because of their imitating Satan’s selfish ways, “the earth became filled with violence.”—Genesis 6:11; Matthew 12:24.

[Anonymous No.18819797]

>>18819716
Ok
>>18819589
Sure there are some things I agree with islam, but even more things I disagree with since it contradicts the bible

I have already read the Quran

>>18819790
Yes

[Anonymous No.18819810]

>>18819769
hebrew woman for wife
canaanite harlot for concubine/sex slave
simple as

[Anonymous No.18819923]

>>18819791
1: Do you think one day physicists or other scientists will be able to find or measure the location of the “invisible spiritual realm?”

[Anonymous No.18819955]

>>18819923
>invisible

[Anonymous No.18819962]

>>18818853
>Jehovah's Witness
Into the trash it goes!

[Anonymous No.18819965]

>>18819790
> 80 posts into this fine thread he asks whether OP is Jehovah's Witness

[Anonymous No.18819991]

can you answer me why my JW grandma is so brainwashed by your ideology that she seeks out catastrophy broadcasts so that she can feel like haramgedon will come soon?

[Anonymous No.18820001]

Reminder that Jehovah's witness is a scheme to grab the lives of lost souls who are in desperate need of belonging

[Anonymous No.18820016]

>>18819991
I don't know your grandma but Bible prophecies suggest that there would be disasters during “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the last days.” (Matthew 24:3; 2 Timothy 3:1)

For example, concerning our time, Jesus said: “There will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.” (Matthew 24:7)

Soon, God will rid the earth of all causes of pain and suffering, including natural disasters.—Revelation 21:3, 4.

I suggest you ask her yourself why she does that.

>>18820001
pills.

[Anonymous No.18820050]

>>18820016
It's those prophecies that make her like this. She is obsessed with the "end of times of Satan's rule". I don't want you to stop believing anything, it's just that my experience with the religion is one where fear is used to lure you into those assemblies where you are slowly alienated from the normal populace. Sure, she still has contact with me and the part of the family who are not in the religion, but the rest of the social group is JW.


To ask you a few more questions: In what way is the "New World translation" different from a classic bible

[Anonymous No.18820063]

>>18819769
Except Jesus (Iesous) is literally in the New Testament. Jehovah is not in any Bible manuscript. I assume "IEOVAH" is something made up by the Watchtower. Nearly all Septuagint manuscripts have "kyrios" or "theos" in place of YHWH, including some pre-Christian ones, some have "Iaō" or similar transliterations.

It makes perfect sense that the New Testament authors would quote versions of the Septuagint that had "kyrios" because it was the most common stand-in for the divine name in Septuagint manuscripts as far as we can tell. In any case there is zero textual evidence for the divine name in the New Testament, not a single ancient or medieval manuscript has it. A guess by a 19th century Christian offshoot movement doesn't trump what's actually written in the Bible.

[Anonymous No.18820083]

>why have you studied the Bible for 27 years?
>How old are you?
>What's your religion?
>Where are you from?
>What are your 5 favourite books/authors?

[Anonymous No.18820085]

>>18820063
> I assume "IEOVAH" is something made up by the Watchtower

lol

>Nearly all Septuagint manuscripts have "kyrios" or "theos" in place of YHWH

Not the early ones

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_Fouad_266

>Iaō

That's Greek for Jah or Yah, an abreviation of YHWH that appears mostly in Psalms

>. In any case there is zero textual evidence for the divine name in the New Testament

They quote from the OT/Septuagint which have God's name

Jesus several times speaks of making God's name known, which doesn't make sense in translations that replace the name with LORD/Kyrios

[Anonymous No.18820091]

>>18820083
I'm 27
I'm Christian
I'm from France
I like Maurice Leblanc, Conan Doyle, Agatha Christie, Ellery Queen and Edogawa Ranpo

[Anonymous No.18820096]

>>18819468
Well that contradicts science and if you believe it nonetheless what was the point in mentioning that the age of the earth is not a point of contention between religion and science?

[Anonymous No.18820102]

>>18820091
Are you French? Genetically

[Anonymous No.18820112]

>>18820096
>Well that contradicts science

I disagree

>what was the point in mentioning that the age of the earth is not a point of contention between religion and science?

Because it's not ?

>>18820102
Yes

[Anonymous No.18820119]

>>18820112
where are the slavs?

[Anonymous No.18820128]

>>18818853
Who's the beloved disciple?

[Anonymous No.18820130]

>>18818853
John 1:1

[Anonymous No.18820132]

>>18820119
I don't know where slavs come from :(

[Anonymous No.18820133]

>>18820091
How did you study the Bible as an infant? Now that takes dedication.

[Anonymous No.18820135]

>>18820132
yeah we slavs are obviously descendants of the nephilim

[Anonymous No.18820136]

>>18820128
John his cousin !

>>18820130
The oldest complete Coptic codices of the Gospels available today date from the 11th or the 12th century C.E., but copies of single Bible books, or portions of them, date back to as early as the fourth and fifth centuries C.E. The value of the Coptic translations, particularly the early ones, is that they were based on Greek texts that predate many existing Greek manuscripts. The Coptic translations shed light on the ancient texts from which they were translated. For example, some Coptic translations render Joh 1:1 in a way that indicates that Jesus, who is referred to as “a god,” is not the same person as Almighty God.

“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”—The Bible—An American Translation, 1935, by J.M.P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.

“The Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine.”—The Bible—Containing the Old and New Testaments, 1950, by James Moffatt.

“The Word was in the beginning, and the word was with God, and the word was a god.”—The New Testament in an Improved Version, 1808, edited by Thomas Belsham, based on a New Testament translation by William Newcome.

“In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. So the Word was divine.”—The Authentic New Testament, 1958, by Hugh J. Schonfield.

TL;DR John 1:1 says that Jesus (the Word) is divine, not that he is God as some translations would mislead into believing

[Anonymous No.18820144]

>>18820133
Ikr

[Anonymous No.18820147]

>>18820112
You think science supports the idea that humans appeared in 4000bce? What about the archaeological findings that date before that?

[Anonymous No.18820159]

>>18820147
How do you know their date ?

[soiler] Is that the part where you say carbon-14 dating ?[/spoiler]

[Anonymous No.18820163]

>>18820147
How do you know their date ?

Is that the part where you say carbon-14 dating ?

[Anonymous No.18820165]

>>18820159
>I accept science but not radioactivity because I don't like it

[Anonymous No.18820170]

>>18820085
>lol
Literally not an answer

>Not the early ones

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_Fouad_266

Yes, some have the divine name or a transliteration, there was variety. Some early ones had kyrios, in fact the article you linked says that several scholars think the earlier reading in that manuscript was kyrios!

That's Greek for Jah or Yah, an abreviation of YHWH that appears mostly in Psalms
No, you just made that up. One example is from Dead Sea Scroll 4Q120 which is from Leviticus.

>They quote from the OT/Septuagint which have God's name

As explained above, there was variation in manuscripts, some had the name in Hebrew, some transliterated into Greek, some had 'kyrios'. Most surviving manuscripts have kyrios.

>Jesus several times speaks of making God's name known, which doesn't make sense in translations that replace the name with LORD/Kyrios
That's not evidence it was ever written in the New Testament. Every ancient copy we have does not have the divine name. Nevermind a modern corruption like Jehovah.

[Anonymous No.18820179]

>>18820165
Carbon 14 dating isn't always reliable

Evidence :
Clever little counterfeiters had cut false arrowheads
In flint with period techniques
The difference being impossible to define between real and false
Link:

https://www.hominides.com/html/dossiers/faux-fraude-imposture-prehistoire-1901-2000.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/neolithiqueblog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/les-arnaques-de-la-baie/amp/

According to my research, the amount of carbon in the preflood atmosphere wasn't the same as today, so stuff from before 2000 BCE cannot be accurately dated

[Anonymous No.18820194]

>>18820170
>Literally not an answer

What do you want me to reply to that ? The name appears in many latin manuscripts (see pic)

>Some early ones had kyrios

And as explained, there was a developping trend of replacing YHWH with LORD

A lot of early ones have God's name

https://eliyah.com/tetragrammaton-found-in-earliest-copies-of-the-septuagint/

It makes sense that the NT would as well

>Nevermind a modern corruption like Jehovah.

Jehovah is english, how can it be a corruption ?

Is Jesus a corruption of Yeshuah ?

[Anonymous No.18820195]

>>18820136
>TL;DR John 1:1 says that Jesus (the Word) is divine, not that he is God as some translations would mislead into believing
θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

[Anonymous No.18820205]

>>18820170
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Iehova

>>18820195
The manuscript shown here (dating from about 600 C.E.) contains a translation of the Gospel of John into the Sahidic dialect of the Coptic language.

Coptic was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus’ earthly ministry. Along with Syriac and Latin, Coptic was one of the first languages into which the Christian Greek Scriptures were translated.

Translations into Coptic were available by the third century C.E., so they can give us insight into how the Greek text was understood at that time.

This is of special interest when it comes to the much debated second part of Joh 1:1, which in many translations reads: “And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Unlike Koine Greek, Syriac, and Latin, the Sahidic Coptic dialect does have an indefinite article (in some ways corresponding to “a” and “an” in English).

Pic related, the two occurrences of the Coptic word for “God” (highlighted) look slightly different—the first one (1) with the definite article (circled in red) and the second one (2) with the indefinite article (circled in red). Thus, when rendered literally into English, the translation would read: “And the Word was with the God, and the Word was a god.”

[Anonymous No.18820211]

>>18820179
You're an idiot. It can date samples that are up to 50,000 years old even if the estimation error can be several hundred years it's enough to shatter your narrative. It's pathetic when you pretend to accept science but only when it agrees with you.

[Anonymous No.18820212]

>>18820170
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Iehova

>>18820195
The manuscript shown here (dating from about 600 C.E.) contains a translation of the Gospel of John into the Sahidic dialect of the Coptic language.

Coptic was spoken in Egypt in the centuries immediately following Jesus’ earthly ministry. Along with Syriac and Latin, Coptic was one of the first languages into which the Christian Greek Scriptures were translated.

Translations into Coptic were available by the third century C.E., so they can give us insight into how the Greek text was understood at that time.

This is of special interest when it comes to the much debated second part of Joh 1:1, which in many translations reads: “And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Unlike Koine Greek, Syriac, and Latin, the Sahidic Coptic dialect does have an indefinite article (in some ways corresponding to “a” and “an” in English).

Pic related, the two occurrences of the Coptic word for “God” (highlighted) look slightly different—the first one (1) with the definite article (circled in red) and the second one (2) with the indefinite article (circled in red). Thus, when rendered literally into English, the translation would read: “And the Word was with the God, and the Word was a god.”

[Anonymous No.18820216]

>>18820211
How do you know they're 50,000 years old ?

[Anonymous No.18820226]

>>18819104
>early christians
>aethiopian eunuch
I don't remember this. I know the whole slaves and prostitutes bit but they had Black eunuchs too? Lmao

[Anonymous No.18820242]

>>18820226
He was a Eunuch of the Queen of Kush in Sudan

Read Acts 8:26-40

[Anonymous No.18820546]

>>18818853
Who's the beloved disciple?

[Anonymous No.18820558]

>>18820546
Me why?

[Anonymous No.18820575]

>>18818853
I was told that catolics are heretics because they changed the 2-nd commandment and technically allowed idolatry. How true is this?

[Anonymous No.18820580]

>reads the Catholic Church's book
>invents a religion
>Doesnt even get right that Jesus is God

[Anonymous No.18820588]

>>18818853
Who philosopher do you think was most correct regarding the Bible? Try to be objective as possible while answering this.
Also, what do you think about what Spinoza said about the Bible?

[Anonymous No.18820596]

>>18820575
No.
A couple of paragraphs after the no images commandment God orders two huge angels for be sculpted for the ark and also angel embroidery for the tabernacle.
Solomon's temple also had angels, flowers, and his palace lions, oxen, angels, etc.
And that time that God ordered a brass snake on a stick to be made.
Yet people later started worshipping the snake as if it was a god and the king had it destroyed.
So an image can be legit or idolatry depending on if it serves to glorify God or not.
So having angels, saints, the cross, etc is legit.

[Anonymous No.18820673]

>>18818874
>For a long period of time, true Christians and false Christians would be indistinguishable

I don't think the parable teaches that "the wheat" and "the weeds" would be *indistinguishable*, but rather that the Christian Church should not be in the business of aggressively "purifying" itself of the weeds.

>Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

>“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

>“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

>“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

>“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.

>“‘Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
-Matthew 13:24-30

“Let both grow together until the harvest.” A farmer would not reason in this way: he would cultivate the wheat to free it from the weeds. But here we are not being given a lesson in agriculture, but rather are being shown how God deals with the good and the bad. In the explanation of the parable, we are told that the field is the world, where Jesus sows the seed of the kingdom of heaven: "The good seed means the sons of the kingdom; the weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil." Mt 13:38-39.

In this world, the kingdom of heaven is in a state of development, of growth, and therefore there is not a clear distinction between the good and the bad; God does not want that; in fact, he allows them to live side by side with each other, both to test the former and strengthen them in virtue, and to give the latter time for conversion.

Just as in this life no one is definitively a son of the devil, because one can always withdraw from sin, so it is also true that no one is definitively a son of the kingdom, because unfortunately one can be perverted -- we cannot exclude the possibility that the good seed can degenerate into weeds.

God's merciful forbearance will one day change into irrevocable judgment for those who have been obstinate in evil.

For now, however, the "children of the kingdom" are called to imitate the heavenly Father's mercy by accepting patiently the hardships that arise from living among the enemies of the good, and by treating these with brotherly kindness in the hope that, conquered by love, they will change their ways.

>Let them grow together until the harvest.

The above - a paraphrase of Fr. Gabriel's explanation in Divine Intimacy - is, I believe, the correct reading of the parable.

[Anonymous No.18820708]

>>18820558
WOOF

[Anonymous No.18821147]

>>18820212
So you don't even have an answer for most of the objections.

>https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Iehova
Ignoring the fact that the only source for that page is an article from 1908, it says Jehova is a medieval Latin word. The part about Pistis Sophia is innacurate, it is a non-Biblical gnostic text dated to the 3rd or 4th century rather than the 2nd, and it only survives in Coptic, not Greek. So you're totally wrong about "IEOVAH" being the original Greek version in the Septuagint.

[Anonymous No.18822646]

>>18820144
This is such a bullshit graph it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.18822686]

>See the cartoons
>immediately think they have an aura of danger about them
>OP turns out to be a JW

[Anonymous No.18822688]

>>18818853
I'm very upset that you're invading /lit/. You might as well actually invade every 4chan board you can now and turn off everybody from this site. You're genuinely worse than our local tripcoders butterfly and COEMGENVS because they actually participate in diverse discussions no matter how psycho their posts are and they aren't actively proselytizing making infinite threads for the chief purpose of converting people to your religion. What's worse is you (and your whole religion) hates engaging others too deeply because it's a rule laid down that you cannot accept or read materials from non-JWs. I feel really bad for the rest of /lit/ who are only now about to meet you, and don't know how you've taken over /his/ already. I can only hope that the jannies of /lit/ actually ban you for your spam but chances are they'll never do it because jannies are useless. Which means, knowing you, you're here to stay. This is literally a turning point in /lit/ history for the worse and most anons don't know it yet.

[Anonymous No.18822692]

>>18822686
What's wrong with JW? I don't know anything about them

[Anonymous No.18822948]

>>18822692
Scientology tier cult of grifters

[Anonymous No.18822959]

>>18818853
>Bible !
French spacing
>>18818860
Reddit spacing
French redditor? Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.18822973]

>>18822959
They've actually said they're French and black and female (and Jehovah's Witness) on /his/ so you're surprisingly on point.

[Anonymous No.18822995]

>>18818853
Are you a JW?

[Anonymous No.18823017]

>>18818853
What are some good notes / annotations? Also, do you often memorize passages? I'd like to start memorizing entire chapters

[Anonymous No.18823148]

>>18818853
Who is Jehova and what did he witness? Did he have to go into witness protection program?

[Anonymous No.18824074]

>>18818853
>I've studied the bible for 27 years
What's it like to have wasted 27 years?

[Anonymous No.18824167]

>>18818853
How many bibles do I own?

[Anonymous No.18824832]

>>18818853
>mfw old enough to J dubs proselyting on 4chan
>mfw it's working
Why do JWs use such gay metaphors in all their literature?
Why the particular anal-sensitivity about holidays? Lots of things have pagan origin, doesn't mean it's pagan. Do you not say "thursday" when making an appointment? The origin of that is Pagan.

[Anonymous No.18826236]

>>18820546
John
>>18820575
>>18820596
Describing the laws that God gave to the nation of Israel, the New Catholic Encyclopedia notes: “From various Biblical accounts it is evident that the true worship of God was devoid of images.” Consider these Bible verses:

“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.” (Exodus 20:4, 5) Since God requires “exclusive devotion,” he is not pleased if we praise or worship images, pictures, idols, icons, statues, or symbols.

“I will not let statues take the praise that should be mine.” (Isaiah 42:8, Easy-to-Read Version) God rejects worship given to him through images. When some Israelites tried to worship him using a statue of a calf, God said that they had committed “a terrible sin.”—Exodus 32:7-9

“We ought not to imagine that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.” (Acts 17:29) In contrast to pagan worship, which often uses images “sculptured by the art and contrivance of man,” Christians should be “walking by faith, not by sight,” as the Bible says.—2 Corinthians 5:7.

“Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21) In commands given both to the nation of Israel and to Christians, the Bible consistently exposes as a myth the teaching that God approves of the use of images and icons in worship.
>>18820588
I don't read philosophers

[Anonymous No.18826252]

>>18820580
Jesus isn't God

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/ebtv/is-jesus-christ-god/

>>18822688
I'm not so bad once you get to know me :(

>>18822692

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/

>>18822948
“People will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.”—MATTHEW 24:9.

Jesus spoke those words just a few days before he was brutally killed. On the night before his death, he said to his faithful apostles: “If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.” (John 15:20, 21)

>>18823148
Jehovah is the personal name of God, as found in the Bible. (Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18) A witness is a person who proclaims views or truths of which he is convinced.

Thus, our name Jehovah’s Witnesses designates us as a group of Christians who proclaim the truth about Jehovah, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:11) We witness to others by the way we live our lives and by sharing with them what we’ve learned from the Bible.—Isaiah 43:10-12; 1 Peter 2:12

[Anonymous No.18826289]

>>18823017
>What are some good notes / annotations?

I use this

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/books/all-scripture-si

>>18820050
We don't fear the end of times at all though, we are expecting it eargerly bevause it will be the moment God restores his kingdom on earth and gets rid of all evil !

>>18821147
What point are you trying to make ? Jehovah is from latin IEOVAH which comes from hebrew YHWH, which appears in the Septuagint and OT so the logical conclusion is that it appeared in the NT as well

I can't do anything more for you if you disagree

>>18822686
They said it was cute :(

>>18824832
>Why do JWs use such gay metaphors in all their literature?

Because our literature aims to touch every single person from every culture so our message must be kept simple

>Why the particular anal-sensitivity about holidays? Lots of things have pagan origin, doesn't mean it's pagan. Do you not say "thursday" when making an appointment? The origin of that is Pagan.

They are remnants of pagan celebrations through which you are worshipping demons

Saying the names of days isn't worshipping them, neither when I just say the word birthday or christmas

What an odd comparison :/

[Anonymous No.18826377]

I’d be very interested in what you have to say if you weren’t a looney. I think there’s a lot of great wisdom in the bible and would consider reading it fully.

[Anonymous No.18826399]

>>18826377
I am sane of mind :(

[Anonymous No.18826407]

>>18820112
This is such BS LMAO, anglo saxons ARE germans. They arent a mix of celts and germanics. Probably modern day Britain, sure.

[Anonymous No.18826992]

>>18826236
>I don't read philosophers
What about theologians? Just replace philosopher with theologian in the first question then

[Anonymous No.18827010]

>>18818853
>I've studied the bible for 27 years
what's the point lmao
you got conned into studying schizo stories. you aren't better than 27 years ago, you gained nothing, and none of these studies helped someone else in any relevant way
enjoy the brain rot biblecuck

[Anonymous No.18827030]

>>18826992
I watch david wood and frank turek on youtube sometimes

>>18827010
I disagree :)

[Anonymous No.18827063]

>>18827030
"I wish I knew someone that studied the bible for 27 years" - said literally no one ever
meanwhile even cleaning toilets is way more useful than studying the bible, you have any idea what actual joy people feel when entering a clean toilet?

welp, another life wasted on sandnigger rambles from millenniums ago!

[Anonymous No.18827349]

op, listen to this album, it's based on the bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vu2B22plaw

[Anonymous No.18827351]

>>18818853
Is bart ehrman good or crook

[Anonymous No.18827367]

what is the difference between the torah and the christian bible?

[Anonymous No.18827694]

>>18826289
How is celebrating one's birthday worshiping a demon?

[Anonymous No.18827709]

>>18818853
what do you make of early bible verse using elohim in the plural form to talk about god? Please don't bring up the trinity, which didn't even exist as a concept for the first two century that fallowed Jesus' death

[Anonymous No.18827730]

>>18820112
>I disagree
you can't disagree with the fact that the idea that humanity being 6000 years old isn't what science says

[Anonymous No.18827736]

>>18822692
watch this to see https://youtu.be/_gZe6BCuCa4

[Anonymous No.18827749]

>>18827030
So you don't read philosophers or any theologians other than those irrelevant YouTubers? You are such a disappointment. I really want to find where you live and murder you.

[Anonymous No.18827753]

>>18822688
fuck off

[Anonymous No.18827766]

>>18827063
The worst thing is you don't really need to study the Bible for 27 years. You could just read Oxford Bible Study and you would know as much as he does in just a month. That's what I did and I hold the impression that my knowledge is deeper. Nothing of what he wrote was that insightful for me.

[Anonymous No.18827772]

>>18827367
The torah/Ten Commandments were part of the Mosaic Law. That Law code included over 600 commandments and formed the terms of an agreement, or covenant, between God and the ancient nation of Israel. (Exodus 34:27) God promised the people of Israel that they would prosper if they obeyed the Mosaic Law. (Deuteronomy 28:1-14) However, the main purpose of the Law was to prepare the Israelites for the promised Messiah, or Christ.—Galatians 3:24.
The Christian Bible relates the live of Jesus and the Christian way of life. Christians are not supposed to follow the Torah because God gave his Law specifically to the ancient nation of Israel. (Deuteronomy 5:2, 3; Psalm 147:19, 20)

The Mosaic Law is not binding on Christians, and even Jewish Christians were “released from the Law.” (Romans 7:6) The Mosaic Law was replaced by “the law of the Christ,” which includes all that Jesus instructed his followers to do.—Galatians 6:2; Matthew 28:19, 20.

>>18827709
I don't believe in the trinity either, lol
When the Bible uses Elohim for God it is a plural of excellence, to put Jehovah above all things in existence especially false gods
>>18827749
Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ
(Colossians 2:8)

[Anonymous No.18827781]

>>18827730
The radiocarbon clock looked very simple and straightforward when it was first demonstrated, but it is now known to be prone to many kinds of error.

After some 20 years’ use of the method, a conference on radiocarbon chronology and other related methods of dating was held in Uppsala, Sweden, in 1969. The discussions there between chemists who practice the method and archaeologists and geologists who use the results brought to light a dozen flaws that might invalidate the dates. In the 17 years since then, little has been accomplished to remedy these shortcomings.

One nagging problem has always been to ensure that the sample tested has not been contaminated, either with modern (live) carbon or with ancient (dead) carbon.

A bit of wood, for example, from the heart of an old tree might contain live sap. Or if that has been extracted with an organic solvent (made from dead petroleum), a trace of the solvent might be left in the portion analyzed. Old buried charcoal might be penetrated by rootlets from living plants. Or it might be contaminated with much older bitumen, difficult to remove. Live shellfish have been found with carbonate from minerals long buried or from seawater upwelling from the deep ocean where it had been for thousands of years.

Such things can make a specimen appear either older or younger than it really is.

The most serious fault in radiocarbon-dating theory is in the assumption that the level of carbon 14 in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is now.

That level depends, in the first instance, on the rate at which it is produced by cosmic rays. Cosmic rays vary greatly in intensity at times, being largely affected by changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Magnetic storms on the sun sometimes increase the cosmic rays a thousandfold for a few hours. The earth’s magnetic field has been both stronger and weaker in past millenniums.

And since the explosion of nuclear bombs, the worldwide level of carbon 14 has increased substantially.

On the other hand, the proportion is affected by the quantity of stable carbon in the air. Great volcanic eruptions add measurably to the stable carbon-dioxide reservoir, thus diluting the radiocarbon.

In the past century, man’s burning of fossil fuels, especially coal and oil, at an unprecedented rate has permanently increased the quantity of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

[Anonymous No.18827792]

>>18827694
>“The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period in general.”—The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries (New York, 1848), Augustus Neander (translated by Henry John Rose), p. 190.

>“The later Hebrews looked on the celebration of birthdays as a part of idolatrous worship, a view which would be abundantly confirmed by what they saw of the common observances associated with these days.”—The Imperial Bible-Dictionary (London, 1874), edited by Patrick Fairbairn, Vol. I, p. 225.

>“The various customs with which people today celebrate their birthdays have a long history. Their origins lie in the realm of magic and religion. The customs of offering congratulations, presenting gifts and celebrating—complete with lighted candles—in ancient times were meant to protect the birthday celebrant from the demons and to ensure his security for the coming year. . . . Down to the fourth century Christianity rejected the birthday celebration as a pagan custom.”—Schwäbische Zeitung (magazine supplement Zeit und Welt), April 3/4, 1981, p. 4.

>“The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune. . . . Birthday greetings and wishes for happiness are an intrinsic part of this holiday. . . . Originally the idea was rooted in magic. . . . Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day.”—The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952), Ralph and Adelin Linton, pp. 8, 18-20.

Knowing all this, I cannot seeve God without a guilty conscience if I celebrated birthdays

But please understand something, there is nothing at all preventing us from celebrating parties, inviting friends and families, eating together and having a good rime any day of the year !

[Anonymous No.18827805]

>>18827772
>When the Bible uses Elohim for God it is a plural of excellence, to put Jehovah above all things in existence especially false gods
interesting answer

[Anonymous No.18827818]

>>18827772
>Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ
(Colossians 2:8)

Ironically Christianity was heavily influenced by Stoicism.
Seneca is even considered a Proto-Christian saint because his Stoic writings shared the same virtues and morals as that of Christianity.
You would know this if you didn't spend almost 3 decades studying the same fucking book.
Even Jesus was definitely exposed to stoicism which influenced his outlook on life but of course you also don't know that. There's so much historical and philosophical context that shaped the Bible and you don't know any of it.
Again, tell me where you live and I shall end your pathetic existence.

[Anonymous No.18827828]

>>18827063
I hope you change your mind one day

peace be upon your household nonetheless

>>18827766
God used uneducated men to write the Bible, it is a book for everyone to enjoy !

>>18827805
When applying to Jehovah, ʼElo·himʹ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”—The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208.

The title ʼElo·himʹ draws attention to Jehovah’s strength as the Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every time the verb describing what he said and did is in the singular number. (Ge 1:1–2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces.

[Anonymous No.18827842]

>>18818853
Whats the meaning of life

[Anonymous No.18827851]

>>18818874
So who are the true christians

[Anonymous No.18827865]

>>18827851
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/section-2/lesson-18/

>>18827842
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/meaning-of-life/

[Anonymous No.18827880]

>>18827818
When you accept that Chris is the Logos you would have to say Stoics were inspired by Him. Saying God incarnate is a student of human philosophy is just absurd

[Anonymous No.18827898]

>>18818860
wow you spend 27 years studying the bible and you come with this generic awnser, even I know some of the booksof the bible are works pasted together by several unknown authors.

[Anonymous No.18827964]

>>18827898
by "studying the bible" what he mean is that he learned the official doctrine of the Jehova's withness.

[Anonymous No.18827982]

>>18827964
I don't follow anyone's doctrine, I only follow the Bible

And it happens that what JWs teach is what the Bible teaches, which is what I came to a conclusion to after studying the Bible

[Anonymous No.18827997]

>>18827982
How did you first come in contact with JW?

[Anonymous No.18828014]

>>18827880
We don't know if Jesus claimed to be God incarnate or God's son. The only evidence we have is the word of Paul, written several decades after the fact.
And let's be honest, stoicism predates Jesus by centuries. Stoicism was already well developed by the time Jesus came into the picture. How could Zeno of Citium even write about stoicism if he wasn't aware of Jesus?

[Anonymous No.18828065]

>>18827997
Went to their meetings once then compared their literature/behavior with the bible and studied with them

>>18828014
Paul never said Jesus was God

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/

[Anonymous No.18828156]

>>18818860
>the Bible is often clear about who penned its contents
kek
>>18827898
This

[Anonymous No.18828179]

Are you part of the 144 thousands chosen

[Anonymous No.18828186]

>>18828065
Well, I know that no disciple referred to Jesus as God himself but Paul or whoever wrote that he was his son. That's the only evidence we have.

[Anonymous No.18828237]

>>18828186
All the apostles do

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-son-of-god/

[Anonymous No.18828302]

who are they and what do the angels look like?

[Anonymous No.18828331]

Why is Paul the proven liar trusted?

[Anonymous No.18828354]

How can christianity be reconciled with the strong evidence for reincarnation and astral projection?

[Anonymous No.18828973]

Is God a being in the same manner as other beings? When we say God is infinitely good does that imply he has the same sort of goodness as a man, modified only quantitatively?

[Anonymous No.18828990]

What does the bible actually have to say about homosexuality? I've heard a lot of griping about translations of specific words.

[Anonymous No.18829078]

Why did God create the material universe? If he was entirely infinite and thus sufficient in himself it seems to me there is nothing he could possibly lack and thus no reason to ever create anything finite.

[Anonymous No.18829094]

>>18829078
And send people to Hell eternally instead of educating them (as if getting them out of Hell really entails breaching free will)

[Anonymous No.18829145]

>>18828354
>strong evidence for reincarnation and astral projection?
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.18829282]

>>18818853
What is Babylon and what does it represent?

[Anonymous No.18829412]

Why was the Book of Enoch left out of the Bible canon, when OBVIOUSLY are true gospels? I would understand it in the early times of the Church, because they did not want people to know much about the influence of the Nephilim. It not only is not contraditory, but the Bible itself makes more sense with this addition.


So a better question would be... why do they STILL deny that it is also the word of God?

[Anonymous No.18829413]

>>18829145
I'm sorry but your outright denial of the studied reality does not put you in a goon light, there have been thousands of case studies profiling children who recall previous lives.
and there are a number of well documented studies that showed people had uncanny abilities to identify things they could never have seen.

[Anonymous No.18829434]

>>18829413
*good light

Chistians must wrestle with these topics because one shares much with prayer the other with death.
what does the bible truly have to say in what happens at death?
the vatican has sought to study it

[Anonymous No.18829513]

>>18828302
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no5-2017-september/truth-about-angels/
>>18828973
God is the good, the greatest good and the standard of what is good.

>>18828990
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/teenagers/ask/is-homosexuality-wrong/

>>18829078
God is love, but what good is his love if there is no one with whom he can share it ?

>>18829282
A city
If you mean Babylon the Great, it's the.empiee of false religions

>>18829412
Because ir's not canon, that's why it's called apocrypha. It wasn't inspired by God, it's some schizophrenic babble

[Anonymous No.18829539]

Does God have to obey the laws of logic or did he create the laws of logic?

[Anonymous No.18829580]

>jehovas witness
cringe, move on folks

[Anonymous No.18829592]

>>18818860
lmao

[Anonymous No.18829596]

>jehova witness shill thread
You guys are crazy and retarted, basicaly mormons 2.0. We have some of you in brasil and you cant even cut your own hair or donate or receive blood

[Anonymous No.18829608]

>>18829596
Also, its funny you say christians should all unite and agree but follow a rebelious sect of the catholic church

[Anonymous No.18829613]

>fucking JWs are proselytizing on 4chan now
I have no idea what to make of this.

[Anonymous No.18829627]

>>18829513
>Because ir's not canon, that's why it's called apocrypha. It wasn't inspired by God, it's some schizophrenic babble

I know, I am asking why is it not canon. Tell me how can you tell that it is not inspired by God? What is in this book different from other visions of the prophets, so that we can tell the Book of Enoch is babble but on the contrary the Book of Daniel is not?

[Anonymous No.18829645]

Why does God allow the devil to exist for so long?

[Anonymous No.18829651]

>>18829596
>you cant even cut your own hair

wut ? That's not true

>donate or receive blood

Correct ! Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.

Bloodless transfusions are safer anyway

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10187323/

So I fail to see the problem here :/

>>18829608
Early in his ministry, Jesus said: “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.” (Matt. 7:15) Years later, the apostle Paul was inspired to issue a similar warning: “I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.”—Acts 20:29, 30.

Christians were taught how to identify and avoid such dangerous men. Christian elders were instructed to remove apostates from the congregation. (1 Tim. 1:19; 2 Tim. 2:16-19; 2 Pet. 2:1-3; 2 John 10) Nonetheless, as was the case with Israel and Judah of old, many Christians gradually turned a deaf ear to loving warnings. By the end of the first century, apostasy had taken root in the congregation. John, the last of the apostles still living at the close of the first century C.E., observed that the congregation was suffering such corruption and widespread rebellion. He was the only remaining restraint against that wicked trend. (2 Thess. 2:6-8; 1 John 2:18) What happened after John died?

[Anonymous No.18829666]

>>18829608
After John’s death, Jesus’ parable of the wheat and the weeds began to see fulfillment. (Read Matthew 13:24-30.) As Jesus had foreseen, Satan oversowed the congregation with “weeds,” or imitation Christians, and the corruption of the congregation sped up. How heartbroken Jehovah must have been to see the congregation his Son had founded become polluted with idolatry, pagan holidays and practices, and false doctrines adopted from godless philosophers and satanic religions! What did Jehovah do? As he had done with unfaithful Israel, he let his people be taken into exile. From sometime in the second century C.E. onward, the wheatlike ones were lost among the imitation Christians. The true Christian congregation was, in effect, in exile in Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, whereas the imitation Christians were absorbed by that corrupt empire. As the imitation Christians flourished, Christendom came into being.

Throughout the dark centuries of Christendom’s dominance, there were some genuine Christians, the “wheat” of Jesus’ parable. Like the Jewish exiles described at Ezekiel 6:9, they remembered the true God. Some courageously opposed the false doctrines of Christendom. They faced mockery and persecution. Did Jehovah intend to forsake his people permanently in that realm of spiritual darkness? No! As was the case with Israel of old, Jehovah’s anger was expressed to the proper degree and for the right amount of time. (Jer. 46:28) Furthermore, Jehovah did not leave his people without hope.

https://www.jw.org/pt/biblioteca/livros/boas-noticias-de-deus/qual-religiao-verdadeira/

[Anonymous No.18829676]

>>18829627
The Book of Enoch is an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is falsely ascribed to Enoch. Produced sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch.
This alone is sufficient for lovers of God’s inspired Word to dismiss it.

>>18829645
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201012/god-get-rid-of-devil/

[Anonymous No.18829707]

>>18818853
You can't even draw a cross. You are not a Christian.

[Anonymous No.18829724]

>>18829666
You are a brasilian, right? I imagined. Mixed too? Bet you shave your head and use a tuxedo to go to church

[Anonymous No.18829746]

Could Adam and Eve ever escape their on damnation?

[Anonymous No.18829754]

>>18829707
Nowhere does the Bible suggest that the earliest Christians used the cross as a religious symbol.

Instead, it was the Romans of that era who used the cross design to symbolize their gods. Then, about 300 years after Jesus’ death, Roman Emperor Constantine adopted the cross as the emblem of his armies, and it thereafter became associated with the “Christian” church.

Since pagans used the cross to worship their gods, would Jesus’ disciples have used it in their worship of the true God?

On the contrary, they knew that God had long disapproved of worship using “the form of any symbol” and that Christians were to “flee from idolatry.” (Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14)

“God is a Spirit,” unseen by human eyes. Therefore, the early Christians did not use visible objects and symbols to help them feel closer to God. Rather, they worshipped him “with spirit,” guided by his invisible holy spirit, and with “truth,” in harmony with God’s will as revealed in the Scriptures.—John 4:24.

>>18829724
I'm French :(

[Anonymous No.18829802]

>>18829754
Why did you convert to a McDonald's version of Christianity?

[Anonymous No.18829836]

>>18829754
Jesus talked about carrying the cross even before being nailed to the cross. And you are afraid of it like a evil spirit (because your cult is evil and not Christian):
(Matthew 10:3) Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
(Matthew 16:24) Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
(Mark 8:34) Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
Luke (9:23) Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
Luke (14:27) And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

[Anonymous No.18829873]

>>18826252
>Jesus isn't God
"The Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the doctrine of the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the physical return of Christ,and salvation by grace through faith. The Watchtower has given repeated prophesies of Christ’s invisible return and the end of the age in 1874, 1914, 1925, 1978, and 1986—all of them incorrect. But whenever Christ comes, they claim his reign on earth will be through the Watchtower Society it-self.According to Charles Taze Russell, Trinitarianism remains sustained only by tradition. Apart from being “soberly taught in Theological Seminaries by gray-haired professors... nobody would give it a moment’s serious consideration.Despite the allegations,Christian scholars have judged the Watchtower Society as repeatedly dishonest and deceptive in their use of the Bible. While many Jehovah’s Witnesses rightly seek to honor God the Father and are to be commended for their self-discipline and sacrifice, their efforts are misguided. Rather than cower before the organizational dictates, sincere Witnesses should be encouraged to read God’s Word for themselves and to hear respected biblical scholars outside their ranks."

Read a different translation of John 1:1. JW's translate the Koine incorrectly. John's prologue explicitly states Jesus is God, not "a god". Start reading more theology.

[Anonymous No.18829947]

>>18829836
The Bible generally uses the Greek word stau·rosʹ when referring to the instrument of Jesus’ execution. (Matthew 27:40; John 19:17)

Although translations often render this word “cross,” many scholars agree that its basic meaning is actually “upright stake.” According to A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament, stau·rosʹ “never means two pieces of wood joining each other at any angle.”

The Bible also uses the Greek word xyʹlon as a synonym for stau·rosʹ. (Acts 5:30; 1 Peter 2:24) This word means “wood,” “timber,” “stake,” or “tree.”

The Companion Bible thus concludes: “There is nothing in the Greek of the N[ew] T[estament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”

Regardless of the shape of the instrument on which Jesus died, the following facts and Bible verses indicate that we should not use the cross in worship.

God rejects worship that uses images or symbols, including the cross. God commanded the Israelites not to use “the form of any symbol” in their worship, and Christians are likewise told to “flee from idolatry.”—Deuteronomy 4:15-19; 1 Corinthians 10:14.

First-century Christians did not use the cross in worship. The teachings and example of the apostles set a pattern that all Christians should adhere to.—2 Thessalonians 2:15.

Use of the cross in worship has a pagan origin. Hundreds of years after the death of Jesus, when the churches had deviated from his teachings, new church members “were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols,” including the cross. (The Expanded Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words) However, the Bible does not condone adopting pagan symbols to help make new converts.—2 Corinthians 6:17.

https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/jesus-christ-died-cross-scholar/story%3Fid%3D11066130&ved=2ahUKEwik8sSZharyAhUhzYUKHdJfCZcQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0sFVDzpzxM4FpVWYEZXyn0&ampcf=1

https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-not-die-on-cross-says-scholar.html&ved=2ahUKEwik8sSZharyAhUhzYUKHdJfCZcQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw31fyZnneCA-Yuz7KA8snul

[Anonymous No.18829960]

>>18829873
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.

note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states:
>“Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”

In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

>“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

>“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

>“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

>“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

[Anonymous No.18829976]

>>18829873

“The Nicene Creed is actually not the product of the First Council of Nicea (325) . . . but of the First Council of Constantinople (381),” says The New Westminster Dictionary of Church History.

“The Council of Nicea in 325 stated the crucial formula for [the yet future Trinity] doctrine in its confession that the Son is ‘of the same substance . . . as the Father.’”—Encyclopædia Britannica.

“The Christian Bible, including the New Testament, has no trinitarian statements or speculations concerning a trinitary deity.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.

“The doctrine of the trinity . . . is not a product of the earliest Christian period, and we do not find it carefully expressed before the end of the second century.”—Library of Early Christianity—Gods and the One God.

“In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the [Catholic] Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church.

>“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.

>“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.

>“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

>“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.

>“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”—Revelation 3:14.

>John 1:1

Debunked:

>>18820136
>>18820212

[Anonymous No.18830028]

>>18829666
Damn you think some Christians would have noticed this would have happened and done something about it. Maybe they would call upon on the churches to send representatives from their leading members and have something like an ecumenical meeting to address the issues and clarify true doctrine. They could probably have one everytime a major issue developed. I don't know just thinking out loud it's not like they had telephones so how would they even contact each other

[Anonymous No.18830051]

>our 19th century bible study group turned publishing company is the true religion
>the early church apostatized (even though Christ said that the gates of hades would not prevail against it, and that he would be with the church unto the end of the world) but we still use the New Testament they assembled
>we also just happen to use the same Old Testament as protestants, imagine that in a movement started in a predominantly protestant country
>never mind that an episcopal structure, belief that Jesus is God, veneration of martyrs and other saints, sacramental theology, belief that the Eucharist is Jesus, etc. were practically universal in the early church and that you can consult early catechisms and church fathers to verify this
I don’t get it man

[Anonymous No.18830090]

>>18829666
>Throughout the dark centuries of Christendom’s dominance, there were some genuine Christians, the “wheat” of Jesus’ parable.
The Church is pretty good at cataloguing groups opposed to it, yet nobody ever held views similar to the JW before Judge Rutherford took over in the early 1900s

[Anonymous No.18830143]

>>18818948
why his hand backard

[Anonymous No.18830218]

>>18829976
>Debunked:
Yeah, a Coptic translation debunks the original Greek.

[Anonymous No.18830302]

>>18829960
Jesus declared Himself to be God in the same Gospel you referenced. He refers to Himself as "I AM" - Yahweh in John 8:58.
>Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God.
Thomas declares Christ to be God in John 20:28. "My Lord and my God!". Paul admits Christ is God. 1 Cor 8:5-6 - For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
You mentioned Phil 2:9 as proving Jesus was not God, but if you read the surrounding text in that chapter, Paul is explicit about who Christ is:
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

How do you deal with 2:6-7? Context is key here.

>Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.
Jesus lowered Himself by taking on flesh. He further lowered Himself by dying on the cross for the sins of mankind, being the perfect sacrificial atonement for sin. "He who stooped so low is now lifted up to the glorious rank of equality with God, i.e. the enjoyment of that dignity which was ever his by right but which he never clutched at as his personal possession. The elevation is, then, not in regard to his nature or inherent place within the Godhead. It is rather an ascription to him of what could only be his after the submission and sacrifice of his earthly life, and specifically relates to his lordship as king of the universe." - Martin, Ralph P. Philippians: An Introduction and Commentary. Vol. 11. Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1987.
>In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:
One God, three Persons. All of those verses remain valid with a Trinitarian view of God.

[Anonymous No.18830308]

>>18818853
Why didn't you read something better with more tomboys and sex?

[Anonymous No.18830317]

>>18829976
The Council of Nicea was established in order to combat heresies, mainly Arianism. Arius argued for a view of Christ and the Spirit that isn't so far off from what JW's proclaim, mainly that Jehovah God is a single person who created the Son and the Spirit as his divine agents. The Council declared that as heresy. Christ is not God's highest Creation. He is God.

How then do you deal with the Great Commission in Matt 28:19 - "Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?"


I appreciate the discussion, and I like your bible character pictures.

[Anonymous No.18830450]

>>18818853
Which is better, Catholicism, Luteranism or Anglicism? Or those filthy Calvinists?

[Anonymous No.18830514]

>>18829960
Trinitarianism is implicit in scripture, and this is backed by 1st and 2nd century sources like Clement I, Tertullian, the Didache (an early catechism written around the same time as the Gospels) and Justin Martyr. You’re arguing that the generation immediately after they Apostles got it wrong while God himself entrusted the Church to perpetuate orthodox doctrine. Nowhere in scripture does is say that the entirety of Christian doctrine is to be found within scripture, and when you try to reverse-engineer a religion out of scripture alone you become just another denomination rather than the true Church that Our Lord founded.

[Anonymous No.18830541]

>>18818853
Where is a good place to start my reading of the bible. after genesis?

[Anonymous No.18830655]

>>18830541
Read Exodus. Push forward through the Law (Leviticus - Deuteronomy). If you can't handle it, then skip to Joshua and read through Esther. Read John if you want to read more about Jesus. It's beautiful.

[Anonymous No.18831144]

What is the best translation of the Bible?

[Anonymous No.18831150]

How are you liking 4chan so far?

[Anonymous No.18831152]

>>18818853
>Ask me anything about the Bible !

What year was the cannon of the new testament closed and by which council?

[Anonymous No.18831169]

If Hell doesn't exist explain these:

"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."

Luke 12:4-5

"The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell."

James 3:6

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;"

2 Peter 2:4

[Anonymous No.18831199]

>>18818853
What is the JW stance on the covid-19 vaccine?

[Anonymous No.18831356]

JW predictions:

1877: Christ's kingdom would hold full sway over the earth in 1914; the Jews, as a people, would be restored to God's favor; the "saints" would be carried to heaven.
1891: 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men".
1904: "World-wide anarchy" would follow the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.
1916: World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".
1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions". Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy". The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.
1920: Messiah's kingdom would be established in 1925 and bring worldwide peace. God would begin restoring the earth. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful patriarchs would be resurrected to perfect human life and be made princes and rulers, the visible representatives of the New Order on earth. Those who showed themselves obedient to God would never die.
1922: The anti-typical "jubilee" that would mark God's intervention in earthly affairs would take place "probably the fall" of 1925.
1925: God's restoration of Earth would begin "shortly after" October 1, 1925. Jerusalem would be made the world's capital. Resurrected "princes" such as Abel, Noah, Moses and John the Baptist would give instructions to their subjects around the world by radio, and airplanes would transport people to and from Jerusalem from all parts of the globe in just "a few hours".
1938: Armageddon was too close for marriage or child bearing.
1941: There were only "months" remaining until Armageddon.
1942: Armageddon was "immediately before us".
1961: Awake! magazine stated that Armageddon "will come in the twentieth century.... This generation will see its fulfillment."
1966: It would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time. Time was "running out, no question about that". The "immediate future" was "certain to be filled with climactic events ... within a few years at most", the final parts of Bible prophecy relating to the "last days" would undergo fulfillment as Christ's reign began.

[Anonymous No.18831359]

>>18831356
1967: The end-time period (beginning in 1914) was claimed to be so far advanced that the time remaining could "be compared, not just to the last day of a week, but rather, to the last part of that day".
1968: No one could say "with certainty" that the battle of Armageddon would begin in 1975, but time was "running out rapidly" with "earthshaking events" soon to take place. In March 1968 there was a "short period of time left", with "only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed".
1969: The existing world order would not last long enough for young people to grow old; the world system would end "in a few years". Young Witnesses were told not to bother pursuing tertiary education for this reason.
1971: The "battle in the day of Jehovah" was described as beginning "[s]hortly, within our twentieth century".
1974: There was just a "short time remaining before the wicked world's end" and Witnesses were commended for selling their homes and property to "finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service".
1984: There were "many indications" that "the end" was closer than the end of the 20th century.
1989: The Watchtower asserted that Christian missionary work begun in the first century would "be completed in our 20th century". When the magazine was republished in bound volumes, the phrase "in our 20th century" was replaced with the less specific "in our day".

[Anonymous No.18831678]

>>18818853
>JW
and into the trash your opinion goes

[Anonymous No.18832548]

What has been the most valuable thing you've learned from the bible?

[Anonymous No.18832580]

>>18818853
> JW
The JW ""Bible"" is a horrible, malformed joke.

[Anonymous No.18834066]

>>18818853
You said on /his/ you were in your 20s.
Wtf, did you started reading at 2?

[Anonymous No.18834075]

>>18818853
Why was Enoch never included?

[Anonymous No.18834082]

>>18834075
I'm kind of pissed off that I had to buy Enoch as a separate book.

[Anonymous No.18834681]

>>18834066
Probably a lying, "hello fellow zoomers" type (especially judging by his out of touch "memes")

[Anonymous No.18834724]

>>18827792
>picture doesn’t include Cyrus the Great, the only no -Jew to be referred to as Messiah in the bible.

[Anonymous No.18834733]

>>18818853
When was Job written?

[Anonymous No.18835673]

>jehovah's witness unitarian heretic preaching a false gospel that will lead people to reject the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ
Wolf in sheep's clothing. Come into this chat and debate publicly, or you are a coward who accepts that you are a false prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbpANqyxh7A

[Anonymous No.18835751]

>>18818874
>For a long period of time, true Christians and false Christians would be indistinguishable. Just as Jesus foretold, the apostasy flourished after the apostles died. (Acts 20:29, 30)
"People will be unable to dedicate themselves to this extremely militant religion."
barely a prophesy lmao

[Anonymous No.18835756]

>>18818982
gonna jerk off to Rahab

[Anonymous No.18836066]

>>18819304
>https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/was-life-created/
So.. no.

[Anonymous No.18836122]

>>18818853
Do you take into account Apocrypha and do you ever believe it is appropriate to do so?