/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18808476]

Books that will help me understand women?

[Anonymous No.18808496]

Cat Person

The viral short story of our generation

[Anonymous No.18808502]

>>18808476
Existentialism (the feminist one), and intersec feminism.

[Anonymous No.18808503]

>be esther greenwood
>want to be a writer
>only writing ever completed were essays for schools or for scholarships
>never work on actual writing skills
>if she does write, it is barely veiled autobiographical anecdotes because she lacks imagination to think past events that directly affected her
>pretty much never read despite claiming to like books
>read first line of Finnegans' Wake
>Only observation is "eve and Adam's? Well that must be about Adam and Eve"
>instead of reading the next line, just scroll through the page
>"eh, this is too hard"
>give up
>only thing on your mind is sex and hating manlets and hating college chad who had sex with a girl that wasn't you so now you hate him

The Bell Jar reads more like a satire than a semi-autobiographical narrative

[Anonymous No.18808509]

The Besieged City by Clarice Lispector

[Anonymous No.18808511]

>>18808503
>if she does write
if she does attempt to write fiction*

[Anonymous No.18808613]

Ovid's Amores

[Anonymous No.18808623]

>>18808503
>only thing on your mind is sex and hating manlets and hating college chad who had sex with a girl that wasn't you so now you hate him

There it is lol put this at the start next time so I don't have to bother reading the rest.

[Anonymous No.18808636]

>>18808623
What is up with this Hegelian haircut? Is she a Hegelian?

[Anonymous No.18808645]

>>18808476
50 Shades of Grey

[Anonymous No.18808667]

>>18808623
female hands typed this response. Sorry Chad didnt choose you

[Anonymous No.18808669]

have sex

[Anonymous No.18808747]

>>18808669
Explain how

[Anonymous No.18808770]

>think the esther hates manlets meme was just a one off line in the first chapter of the book
>actually her hatred of short subhuman "men" pops up in almost every chapter

holy shit based

[Anonymous No.18808777]

W-what's the current manlet cutoff, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.18808781]

>>18808777
Anything that is below six feet is manlet territory

[Anonymous No.18808788]

This is how I imagined Franky from chapter 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWfRu5YQahs&ab_channel=VersaceBoyEnt3

[Anonymous No.18808834]

>>18808747
idk

[Anonymous No.18809044]

>>18808503
the manlet resentment this book generates is an inestinguibile, devouring inner fire.

[Anonymous No.18809125]

You already know what womyn are like, why would you need to waste your time reading a shitty book about them?

[Anonymous No.18809141]

>>18809044
Seems like he's just calling a whore a whore, whore.

Have you ever tried posting something that isn't an estimate of someone's sexual conquests or lack thereof? Don't you have a fig tree to get date raped beneath?

[Anonymous No.18809168]

Halfway through. Does she ever stop despising manlets? I'm not saying she has to find them attractive, but every manlet in the book is depicted as a rank, fiendish, opportunistic gremlin who is either completely inept or a devil. I get it, they amplify her self-hatred when they make her aware of her height, but reading this is draining as a manlet.

[Anonymous No.18809171]

>>18809168
>every manlet in the book is depicted as a rank, fiendish, opportunistic gremlin who is either completely inept or a devil

Just like real life

[Anonymous No.18809179]

>>18809168
she's, what, an overachieving 19 y.o. girl at the height of american splendor and success. of course she wants and feels entitled to a chad

[Anonymous No.18809187]

>>18809168
congratulations you're getting a glimpse into how women see the world. the world is composed of three things
>"it just works" background material like inert matter and their university and the stores that automatically self-restock their favorite food
>exciting chad (comes in a few subtypes)
>other males, strange creatures that don't seem to know they aren't chad and thus are only inert matter to be trod upon or work in menial background roles

[Anonymous No.18809188]

Vagabond by Colette

[Anonymous No.18809207]

>>18809168
>but every manlet in the book is depicted as a rank, fiendish, opportunistic gremlin who is either completely inept or a devil.
Reminds me of this post I saw a while back.

[Anonymous No.18809214]

>>18809168
>>18809044
>>18808770
Esther was mentally ill that quote about the fig tree should be viewed in a similar context. Nothing was good enough for her, nothing would make her happy because she suffered from clinical depression.

It is not a personal attack on yourself or manlets it's a view in the mind of a woman suffering. Stop sexualising everything and making it about yourself you should be ashamed you read a book about the misery and depression of a struggling young woman and the only emotion you felt was anger at yourself and your own insecurities. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.18809230]

>>18809214
>It is not a personal attack on yourself or manlets it's a view in the mind of a woman

Fixed, and don't post Frankenstein at me

[Anonymous No.18809234]

>>18809207
chadpill+incelpill+doomperpill+bloomerpill+redpill+bluepill+clownworldpill all in one based post

[Anonymous No.18809244]

>>18809214
>anger at yourself and your own insecurities

Nah, Bell Jar just made me realize that the opinions of overprivileged white women are completely and utterly worthless.

[Anonymous No.18809248]

>>18809214
>Stop sexualising everything
i'm not. i actually find her quite relatable. i empathize with her insecurities. some of the passages feel like I'm reading my own thoughts, but inverted.

[Anonymous No.18809273]

>>18809230
What did you fix I miss you point?

>don't post Frankenstein at me

no x

>>18809244
Women can be mentally ill too. Esther is not a representation of a healthy normal person you shouldn't read The Bell Jar as a guide to the thoughts of women you fucking virgin.

>>18809248
Same desu I just can't stand when people dismiss the book because of manlet hate sorry if I was aggressive with you lol

[Anonymous No.18809277]

>>18809273
>Esther is not a representation of a healthy normal person you shouldn't read The Bell Jar as a guide to the thoughts of women
>you fucking virgin.
I've never seen someone refute their own case in the same sentence as stating it before.

[Anonymous No.18809282]

>>18809273
>I just can't stand when people dismiss the book because of manlet hate

We aren't dismissing the book because of manlet hate. We here at /lit/ hate manlets as well. We're dismissing this book because "clinical depression" is a spook. Esther's just a lazy bitch.

[Anonymous No.18809321]

>>18809277
What are you on about? I insulted you lol what does me calling you a virgin have to do with women and depression you faggot.

Also fyi I'm a 5'9 man do don't go calling me a woman to dismiss my argument I understand the struggles of shorter men.

>>18809282
>"clinical depression" is a spook

-_-

[Anonymous No.18809334]

>>18809244
>overprivileged white women
Are the third most destructive force in the known Universe behind Judaism and nigger genes

[Anonymous No.18809349]

>>18808476
Go outside

[Anonymous No.18809370]

>>18809349
hole

[Anonymous No.18809414]

>>18808476
I am Charlotte Simmons by Tom Wolfe

[Anonymous No.18809546]

>>18808645
I always thought that book confused men about women more than enlightening them.

[Anonymous No.18809777]

>>18809273
>Esther is not a representation of a healthy normal person you shouldn't read The Bell Jar as a guide to the thoughts of women you fucking virgin.
this. it's like treating raskolnikov or some other neurotic dosto hothead like an everyman

[Anonymous No.18809971]

>>18809273
>Esther is not a representation of a healthy normal person
Obviously. Otherwise Esther would have been male.

[Anonymous No.18809998]

>>18809321
Not him but this is actually a woman typing. It exudes feminine vitriol as it attempts to take the high ground.

[Anonymous No.18810287]

>>18809998
I don't know what you expected from the book then because you are not supposed to read it as a work of non-fiction. Trying to squeeze didactic message about morality out of a novel about a woman's experience with mental health is silly. The Bell Jar is semi-biographical and should be read as such; Plath was mentally ill herself writing a novel about a mentally ill woman so of course some of it is going to come off an immature and childish but such is the nature of mental illness. Plath was writing how depression distorts your perception of the world and changes how you interact with it and as a sane stable person you should look at Esther and think she is irrational and immature. Instead of criticising her and looking down on her for 'feminine vitriol' you are supposed to forgive and sympathise with her because she is suffering and trapped in a broken mind but obviously empathy for a privileged white woman is not something you would find on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18810418]

>>18808476
Freud, Lacan, Zizek.

[Anonymous No.18810948]

>>18808476
>>18810418
These, but also I recommend the Second Sex. It's a great read, especially the beginning chapters of the second volume.
I think that starting with Freud is wisest however.

[Anonymous No.18811074]

>>18809207
Literally the opening monologue from Richard III kek:

But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to spy my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity:
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determined to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams

[Anonymous No.18812634]

>>18808777
Your own height -2cm has always been the cutoff.

[Anonymous No.18812647]

>>18808636
It’s called a mullet

[Anonymous No.18812664]

>>18811074
>That dogs bark at me as I halt by them;
Richard 3 was a postie, pmw

[Anonymous No.18812680]

You guys would probably find it funny that I finished the book yesterday and didnt notice a single time she hated manlets