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[Anonymous No.18803565]

>Single handedly BTFO's industrial society, leftists
>tech-modernist freaks still seething to this day

[Anonymous No.18803571]

That doesn't look like Foucault.

[Anonymous No.18803579]

>>18803571
Foucault was gay and did nothing important in his life.

[Anonymous No.18803585]

>>18803565
How do you refute neoliberal statements about technology and modern comveniences giving humanity a better and easier quality of life, longer lifespan, and basically the easiest mode of living than ever before in recorded history

[Anonymous No.18803617]

>>18803585
Easily: if the technological system were disrupted, the lives of hundreds of millions would be in direct conflict. Imagine a power outage for a month, or the internet stops for a month, etc. Technology MIGHT improve life, by whatever metrics you're using, but it comes at the danger of over-reliance.

I'm not sure extending human life is necessarily something worthwhile. That subject comes down to using technology as a death cope -- like we see with beauty products, for example.

[Anonymous No.18803629]

>>18803585
If you had read anything he wrote you would know.

Better quality of life is relative. By my metrics (and those of others) the quality life is deteriorating significantly. The erosion of freedom, the destruction of the natural world and so on. You conflate easy with "good".

Mental illness is on the rise throughout the developed world too. Many Americans and Chinese people suffer from depressive and anxiety disorders, caused by industrial civilization.

It would be wrong to say that modern technology has led to no improvements, but the negative consequences outweigh the good.

Also, its not just "neoliberals" who are on the side of industrial society, but nearly everyone. Communists, leftists, conservatives, fascists etc.

[Anonymous No.18803813]

>>18803565
>rightists are anti-tech industry

[Anonymous No.18803848]

>>18803813
You didn't read his manifesto

[Anonymous No.18803850]

>>18803571
>academic cuck that cried about academia
lol

[Anonymous No.18803863]

>>18803848
Correct, and I will never read this deranged schizo.

[Anonymous No.18803868]

>>18803850
>academic cuck that cried about academia
Oh I thought you meant Ted K. for a second there.

[Anonymous No.18803878]

>>18803868
ted left behind his old life, foucault had no cause to bitch and moan when he was leeching off that very system.

[Anonymous No.18803886]

>>18803565
"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."

[Anonymous No.18803901]

Books uncle has read.

https://thebookshopper.typepad.com/the_book_shopper_atlantad/2009/05/the-unabombers-library-part-2.html

[Anonymous No.18804025]

>>18803863
Youre a faggot. Cope.

[Anonymous No.18804809]

>>18803617
>if the technological system were disrupted, the lives of hundreds of millions would be in direct conflict
That's what I think, the entire world system is now so fragile the smallest nudge will be absolutely catastrophic. It's extremely irresponsible.

[Anonymous No.18805267]

>>18803565
That's not Diogenes

[Anonymous No.18805286]

>>18803901
>Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West, 1918
fine, I guess I'll read this book since uncle Ted has..

[Anonymous No.18805419]

>>18803585
none of those are good things

[Anonymous No.18805437]

>>18803617
>Easily: if the technological system were disrupted, the lives of hundreds of millions would be in direct conflict.
Basically, your argument is neoliberalism is bad because if you had war - it'd all be gone. There's reason why neoliberalism and peace go hand in hand. We don't live in some of the most peaceful times in world history
>Technology MIGHT improve life
Its not even a might though; we have empirical evidence for this

[Anonymous No.18805454]

>>18805437
We have empirical evidence it improves some people's lives. I on the other hand am comfy with my wood oven heater, candle light, and bicycle.

[Anonymous No.18805576]

Society is collapsing.

[Anonymous No.18805607]

I don't really get what all the fuss is about.

I prefer Wendell Berry

[Anonymous No.18805625]

>>18805437
>if you had war
Not even war, I seriously recommend you read pic related.
Essentially, as a society becomes more complex it becomes exponentially easier to break, like an over engineered machine is more fragile than a simple one.
Further, no ideology or system that's claimed to be "the last" has survived more than a few decades and neo-liberalism/neo-conservatism has been in serious decline since like 2008 and in fact exacerbates those weaknesses. 2008 is itself a fine example of a crisis that should've been isolated to a single industry collapsing the entire economy due to the extreme interconnection and complexity of the economy.
If there's a solution that ain't it.

[Anonymous No.18805626]

he never BTFO really.
Has some obvious takes which lead nowhere and ignore what it means to be human.

[Anonymous No.18805631]

>>18805625
>>18805437
>*pic related
Sorry, am retarded

[Anonymous No.18805735]

>>18803565
>re-packages Ellul's ideas to edgelords

[Anonymous No.18805771]

>>18803565
>america follows his commands and returns to monkey
>every surrounding nation instantly invades due to america no longer having an industry to defend itself
nice going Kaczynski

[Anonymous No.18805785]

>>18803886
Isn't the issue that conservatives don't really give a shit about traditional/familly values? They just use it as propaganda to make gullible fools vote for them.

[Anonymous No.18805798]

>>18805454
yet here you are on a computer on the internet for countless hours a day

[Anonymous No.18805799]

>>18805631
The concept of "collapse" is rather flawed. No one actually knows when Roman collapsed, or even many of the ancient civilizations - our assumptions are collapse can't really the describe what's going

[Anonymous No.18805815]

The only reason why its called a "collapse" its because you are on the side of the vanquished. The people who are taking your place are being reborn, and the people who aren't involved are going on as if nothing happened. You see this a lot with a lot losers of history - be it communists, fascists, liberals, anarchists. They can only speak of decline because they have always been on the losing end,

[Anonymous No.18805833]

>>18805815
The world goes on regardless of what you believe; your thoughts will never reflect the biological processes of nature that shape the world. You are merely giving us your description of the world. That's what the philosopher, the politician, the idealist never gets or comes to terms with.

[Anonymous No.18805987]

Did not really BTFO the tech industry. Tech continued to advance without regard for his attacks.

[Anonymous No.18806021]

>>18803878
>foucault had no cause to bitch and moan when he was leeching off that very system.
This is literally what foucault wrote about lol. How large, oppressive systems require the complicity of those within them (and he's right). What better way is there for someone relatively powerless to change big, oppressive systems than to change the minds of the complicit from the inside?
Sure it may not've entirely worked but it was a nice try. If you hate industrial society and bomb it then leave, then industrial society just gets more brutal and recovers when you aren't there to change anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.18806029]

>>18803565
>types this from a computer/phone

[Anonymous No.18807252]

>>18803565
>BTFO's industrial society
>Industrial society still exists

[Anonymous No.18807346]

>>18803565
It's obvious he's right to a certain extent, technological advancement erosions the foundations of society and is dehumanizing, however only retarded reactionaries like Ted (and 90% of anons ITT) believe that's a bad thing. In fact, technological advancement necessitates that weak men react against it through nostalgia of a long lost human past that has no way of existing anymore

[Anonymous No.18807478]

>>18803585
These things are meaningless and have no justification for why they’re good in and of themselves. It’s like saying X is good because it makes you happy, but spending all my time doped up on heroin also makes me happy so it doesn’t mean x is good just because it makes me happy. Similarly, these things aren’t good just because they’re the case.

[Anonymous No.18807487]

>>18803565
All Kaczynski fags are shitty larpers

[Anonymous No.18807536]

>>18807346
>no existing is better than existing

2deep4me

[Anonymous No.18807667]

>>18807536
No, just an existence with a different configuration. Different sensibilities coming from a different form of experience

[Anonymous No.18808519]

>>18807667
you didn't read Ted. He explains why that hope is naive and dangerous.

[Anonymous No.18808538]

>>18803571
Foucault was a faggot pedophile who ruined academia forever

[Anonymous No.18809530]

>>18805771
He literally addresses this and says that any revolutionary movement would (somehow) have to be a worldwide effort. He spent a whole book detailing how he thinks it should be done

[Anonymous No.18809927]

>>18803813
Rightoids complain all the time about automation of jobs wtf are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.18809957]

>>18803565
I don't even necessarily disagree with a lot of anti-tech sentiments, but this post is such low quality that it makes me wish I did.

[Anonymous No.18810598]

>>18807346
what the fuck is that scary ass comic

[Anonymous No.18810632]

>>18803565
>failed tranny
>raped dogs to death with a knife
>captured and tortured mice to death
>vandalised people's homes when they were away, called it a brave revolutionary act
Cringe as fuck, but at least now he's getting all the BBC he craves, so the story has a happy ending lol!

[Anonymous No.18810671]

>>18803585
Lmao have you ever read brave new world?

[Anonymous No.18810878]

>>18804025
And youll never be a man. Seethe and kys dickless cunt.

[Anonymous No.18812094]

>>18803579
SPBP

[Anonymous No.18812246]

>>18803585
It's only better relative to forms of civilisation after the agricultural revolution, which is relatively recent. It's not necessarily better than certain primordial societies, which makes up the vast majority of human history. So you can say things are "better" compared to a couple of thousand years ago, but there isn't any evidence to suggest we are at our "best" in the grand scheme of things.

[Anonymous No.18812292]

>>18810632
cope

[Anonymous No.18812371]

>>18805576
>that pic
Fucking LOL

[Anonymous No.18812467]

>>18803617
>technological systems are bad because they're so good that an absence of those systems will cause chaos and suffering
>so therefore we should intentionally dismantle those systems
Good one teddite

[Anonymous No.18813120]

>>18803585
Aside from their horrible inbreeding issues the amish seem pretty content. Rumspringa sees 90% of their youth returning to their home communities after being given the chance to go out into the world and see the way the rest of us live. Would you trade away a close community full of friends and family you've known and interacted with from birth for a shiny new ipod, avengers endgame and the opportunity to slave away in an office cubicle for the next 40 years? I want to die surrounded by the people I love and have loved in return. Most Americans shove their parents in homes where they spend their twilight years surrounded by a dozen other pathetic old fucks until they die from literal neglect.

[Anonymous No.18813827]

>>18812467
>chaos and suffering

but thats pretty much most of the world right now.

[Anonymous No.18814615]

>>18812467
>>technological systems are bad because they're so good that an absence of those systems will cause chaos and suffering
You mean, it'll cause issues that the human psyche is literally built to deal with? It'll take hundreds of years of self-correcting to get a human race, that's satisfied with constant safety.

[Anonymous No.18815585]

>>18810632
Industrial civilization is cringe.

[Anonymous No.18815759]

>>18805631
That looks really cool, thanks.

>>18805454
We also have empirical evidence it ruins peoples lives. See: Nutrition and physical degeneration, Price.

Pre-agrarian skeletons were healthier than post-agrarian. The very first and foundational step towards civilization already came with a huge cost to the individual quality of life. Why did it promulgate then, if it was harmful to people, you ask? Because it was effective. It produced a massive stationary population of rotten toothed slaves who would expand and overpower any neighboring healthy but sparsely populated tribesmen.