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[Anonymous No.18795344]

>You are bad.
>You are the problem.
>You are need to improve.
>Do not complain about society.

What did he meant by this?

[Anonymous No.18795354]

>>18795344
>You are need to improve.
Stick to russian, vlad.

[Anonymous No.18795357]

>>18795344
>OBEY CONSUME BUY OBEY CONFORM CONSUME BUY BUY OBEY OBEY OBEY

[Anonymous No.18795360]

>>18795344
>What did he mean by this?
The same as was meant by this

[soursore !!5HEGfvI0zIR No.18795373]

>>18795344
He meant:
>I'm a pimp for the bourgeois

[Anonymous No.18795375]

>>18795344
Society good. Wash your balls, take le pills, kill your inner monologue and cock.

[Anonymous No.18795377]

>>18795360
He spent his life complaining about shit.

You are and idiot and so he was.

[Anonymous No.18795384]

>>18795375
Get teenage daughter addicted to pills
Get addicted to pills yourself
Clean your room
Buy my book
Wash your dick
Stop criticizing society

[Anonymous No.18795396]

>>18795360
>spent his life seething about christianity and wagner till his death
Neechi is such a hypocritical meme

[Anonymous No.18795407]

>>18795384
>wife has cancer
>life basically shits on him every which way
>benzo addiction
>in the midst of all of that he emerges victorious
Practices what he preaches

[Anonymous No.18795410]

>>18795344
Basically Stoicism.

[Sage No.18795412]

>>18795344
I’m quite left leaning, but I must say that there is an angle from which Peterson is totally correct. People on the left need to reflect on their personal problems more, and act upon them in a personal manner. The personal is often NOT political, and moreover, even when it is, you are as better served trying to fight for yourself than to bitch about it online.

[Anonymous No.18795420]

>>18795412
>the left
No he never mentions the left, he mentions political ideologues, this includes /pol/fags who spend their free time speaking on how they would organize the world perfectly when their own damn lives are a mess

[Sage No.18795439]

>>18795420
That may be. Though the pathologies I see on the right are framed differently. I’m not too concerned here about that, as I am with the way the left dismisses this critique, and is in general threatened by the notion that they may have some personal power after all.

[Anonymous No.18795442]

>>18795377
>>18795396
Refute him than

[Anonymous No.18795444]

>>18795344
It's unironically good advice not that he or any of us can actually follow it though

[Anonymous No.18795445]

>>18795412
When your problem is fat acceptance or something of the sort, self-improvement might actually be something.

>>18795420
>their own damn lives are a mess
Always that same baseless assumption, most right wingers are self reliant well adjusted men with their own job and lives.

[Anonymous No.18795454]

>>18795442
He was a hypocrite, and was completely not aware of that, that shows how much his argument means.

[Anonymous No.18795461]

>>18795445
>Always that same baseless assumption, most right wingers are self reliant well adjusted men with their own job and lives.
Definitionally, if you spend over 1 hour of your day on an imageboard complaining about the same 4 rotating subjects, your life is a mess

[Anonymous No.18795470]

>>18795454
Ad hominem again
I don't think this will work

[Anonymous No.18795471]

>>18795442
Simple. He refuted himself without realising it, his entire philosophy was predicated on ressentiment at Christianity. He was a romantic aesthete aspiring to be a composer like his idol Wagner, whom mistakenly stumbled his way into philosophy by way of emotional outbursts and academia.

[Anonymous No.18795490]

>>18795461
>if you use the internet your life is a mess
You retard

>>18795470
Why would anyone listen to a hypocrite?

[Anonymous No.18795506]

>>18795444
it's unnecessary self-flagellation and misguided hero worship. it sounds like good advice to teenagers and old "conservative" men, men who aren't really conservative by any true measure of reality. true bedpan brain rhetoric.

[Anonymous No.18795516]

>>18795490
now, you've gone down to name-calling. I see refuting the central point is impossible for you.

[Anonymous No.18795528]

>>18795516
He doesn't refute mine.

[Anonymous No.18795537]

>>18795506
>fix your problems instead of whining
It's very obviously good advice

[Anonymous No.18795539]

>>18795344
>implying you aren't bad and the problem

[Anonymous No.18795545]

>>18795412
I think he is saying such things to his audience. People on the left don't care about him. This goes mainly to people on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.18795565]

>>18795344
Why does Jordan Peterson always start crying in his videos?
Why does Jordan Peterson tell young white men to be liberal individualists, when the rest of society is collectivizing strongly as a group against young white men?
Why is he so lukewarm on every issue EXCEPT for his angry tirades against white nationalism?
Why did he agree to use the tranny pronouns?
Why won't he talk about the ethnic background of the Bolshevik leadership?
Why does lecture zoomers about how to be a real man when he is a wimpy effeminate cuck himself?

[Anonymous No.18795587]

>>18795396
>>18795377
>>18795360
Understand that it is referring to the self-pitying and entitled complaint that seeks to blame some vague abstract (or one's sinful, flawed nature in the case of the Christian) for one's suffering. If you can present an example of Nietzsche excusing a personal failing or unhappiness in a similar fashion to those whom he denounces, that would be the way to prove hypocrisy

[Anonymous No.18795621]

Peterson is boring, but Father Seraphim Rose had some interesting thoughts on Nietzche. He said that Nietzche, when he calls himself the Antichrist, actually shows his intense longing for Christ, and that sometimes the people who go farthest down the dark rabbit hole of nihilism are seeking Christ the most strongly. Father Seraphim Rose went through a similar phase as Nietzche but came out the other side and discovered the Orthodox Church.

[Anonymous No.18795637]

>>18795621
Yeah, extreme nihilism ends up with a yearning for something to fill the void within: i.e. a cope. See: the rise of tradcath larpers here.

[Anonymous No.18795645]

>>18795344
He's a cringe stoic basically.

[Anonymous No.18795658]

>>18795645
Picrel is based.

[Anonymous No.18795659]

>>18795565
>>18795565
>>18795565

[Anonymous No.18795680]

>>18795360
Seems like the last paragraph conflicts. Peterson is shifting the blame to the self like the Christian.

[Anonymous No.18795693]

>>18795344
he has good things to say in his book. very helpful for those who feel lost based on real cases from a life as a clinical psychologist.
his irl life is a mess and his politics are shit as he tries to rake in as much money as possible for his family’s security and comfort. the first book is solid, but he is not a man to be worshipped.

[Anonymous No.18795704]

Peterson is a prime example of the neocon who never "conserves" anything because he is stuck in the black hole of liberal ontology and thus has no real arguments against the marxists and trannies and other clowns that he debates with because fundamentally his worldview is the same as theirs anyway.
https://youtu.be/NDfj8DOY52c

[Anonymous No.18795714]

>>18795704
-That's why Zizek called "Peterson vs SJWs" a "liberal civil war". And he was right. Peterson is a centrist liberal, and so are most SJWs (who have no idea what leftism actually is besides "we don't like capitalism! so we're leftists....right? right!").

[Anonymous No.18795722]

>>18795693
One thing that I don't really like about him is that he doesn't stress that people should look for help. This is the kind of thing that can be impossible or way too hard to pull off by oneself.

[Anonymous No.18795723]

I think he meant that you are delusional if you think you’re going to somehow up-end “the system” or “the modern world” or “capitalism” so you should probably concern yourself with how to survive and thrive yourself as a matter principle if nothing else instead.

[Anonymous No.18795729]

>wat dis mean?!?!?
idk watch one of the hundreds of videos he has on this topic you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.18795743]

>>18795723
There is nothing delusional about protesting.

>>18795729
>idk
Then shut up.

[Anonymous No.18795753]

>>18795743
scuse me, ill rephrase it then..

"watch one of the hundres of videos he has on this topic you fucking retard"

[Anonymous No.18795757]

>>18795753
You don't know anything about it, refrain from posting.

[Anonymous No.18795778]

>>18795344
Here is all you need to know about this fraud.
https://youtu.be/WXYuqrO8LLo

[Anonymous No.18795797]

>>18795344
It's called stoicism anon

[Anonymous No.18795815]

>>18795645
>telling people not to rage and cry and seethe 24/7 is reddit

[Anonymous No.18795833]

>>18795442
Why is Ad Hominem bad?

[Anonymous No.18795852]

>>18795833
because it's now how I want you to call me an idiot. I want you to do it with passive-aggresive text walls instead of just getting to the point.

[Anonymous No.18795855]

>>18795852
it's not how*

[Anonymous No.18795873]

>>18795445
>most right wingers are self reliant well adjusted men with their own job and lives.

Projecting. Half of our tax money gets blown on welfare for white people in the deep south.

[Anonymous No.18795904]

>>18795873
Some rednecks in rural west virginia ain't Peterson's audience.

>Projecting
How?

[Anonymous No.18795946]

>>18795852
you sure are a naughty boy, aren´t you?

[Anonymous No.18795965]

Jonathan Pageau is sort of like a much better version of Jordan Peterson.
https://youtu.be/gh9BC-wONBs

[Anonymous No.18795983]

>>18795946
I'm a naughty boy :^)

[Anonymous No.18796011]

Also, Coroneus Phocis is sort of like a more intellectually rigorous and more bold and honest version of Jordan Peterson as well.
https://youtu.be/fzud_xRrXU8

[Anonymous No.18796472]

>>18795645
Daily reminder that Aurelius didn't write that, the closest thing from my copy reads
'You may leave this life at any moment: have this possibility in your mind in all that you do or say or think. Now departure from the world of men is nothing to fear, if the gods exist: because they would not involve you in any harm. If they do not exist, or if they have no care for humankind, then what is life to me in a world devoid of gods, or devoid of providence? But they do exist, and they do care for humankind: and they have put it absolutely in man's power to avoid falling into the true kinds of harm.'

[Anonymous No.18796620]

>>18795344
This >>18795357
Soon you'll need a license to give charity, so why improve yourself? The youth ain't dumb, they've figured it out; they aren't supposed to take the initiative, they are supposed to be "processed" and so they are acting like it. I know that comes as a shocker to old folks like Peterson, but that's the way it is.

[Anonymous No.18796642]

>>18795723
>you are delusional if you think you’re going to somehow up-end “the system” or “the modern world” or “capitalism”
True, nothing like that has ever happened before...

[Anonymous No.18796668]

>>18795407
The answer to your wife having cancer and "life basically shitting on you in every way" is to become a benzo addict? Seems like the opposite of being heroic and whatever trash he preaches

Also, becoming a millionaire and being a university professor at a top university (whether its deserved or not) is not "getting shit on by life"

[Anonymous No.18796677]

>>18795407
>wife has cancer
Cancer is quite common. Yet most people dont turn to drugs.

>life basically shits on him every which way
Wealth and a secure life isnt being shat on.

[Anonymous No.18796684]

poor little Mikhaila

[Anonymous No.18796923]

>>18796677
>>18796668
Why do you insist on criticizing him for facing a hardship if he is clearly fully past it and succeeding now, you clearly have some sort of vindictive agenda that you can't quite express with logic so you've twisted your motivations to attack him rather than his ideas

[Anonymous No.18796929]

>>18796684
fat ugly bitch
jordan is an ugly faggot too
all of jordan's stuff is middlebrow at best, and that is being generous
that whole family is probably jewish by the way

[Anonymous No.18796930]

Can't believe this guy is a in law to based Jim Keller.

[Anonymous No.18796937]

I have not watched a single lecture or read a book by him but from what I hear his advice seems really sane and sound. What's all the hate?

[Anonymous No.18796957]

>>18795360

Ah, the cringe and gay part of Nietzsche's philosophy. This is where you supplement Marx instead

[Anonymous No.18796961]

>>18796937
Jordan Peterson is the epitome of the brand lukewarm, spineless 21st century """conservatism""" that would have been considered liberal progressivism 30 years ago.
>I'm worried about Islam because I think it might be bad for womens' rights!! Pleeease won't someone think of the womens' rights?????
It's a tricky sleight of hand they do to try to make you not realize that modern "conservatism" is not about conserving traditional values, but rather is about conserving the liberal establishment.
https://youtu.be/yKhAh_qfO64

[Anonymous No.18796982]

>>18796937
A lot of his basic self-help advice is fine, but his political and spiritual debates are very low brow, normalfag tier trash.

[Anonymous No.18796993]

>>18795360
Btfo by Mises and Molyneux
Freddy is NOT universally preferable

[Anonymous No.18797008]

>>18796937
I don't think anyone is bothered by most of his advice about how to get your life in order and stuff like that. It is just that his political stuff is Ben Shapiro tier neocon boomerism.