/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.18790844]

Street Gang Edition

Previous Thread:>>18779981

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>Goodreads
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>A link to the ultimate colossal science fiction and fantasy collection torrent
>>>/t/1023504

>Discord
Never going to be created.

[Anonymous No.18790851]

>>18790832
These people are too stupid to even read Bakker, much less criticize him. They have absolutely no substance on their arguments.

[Anonymous No.18790854]

So what are the chances of this chart getting an update? New stories are popping up that seem decent to read.

[Anonymous No.18790865]

>>18790854
The chart is shit, I tried a few of these novels and most of them were unreadable.

[Anonymous No.18790882]

>>18790865
Self publishing is a mine field. Watching anime and manga isn't enough to be a good writer.

[Anonymous No.18790940]

>>18790882
>Self publishing is a mine field.
And mainstream publishing is an even bigger minefield with bigger mines. The difference is the self-published garbage is generally labeled and treated as such by most while the mainstream garbage wins all the awards and is touted as the greatest thing ever.

[Anonymous No.18790943]

A Bakkerpost a day, makes the cücks go away.

[Anonymous No.18791064]

Is it just me or is Elend from Mistborn a really bad author self-insert character

[Anonymous No.18791065]

>>18790865
any you'd recommend?

[Anonymous No.18791117]

>>18791065
Cradle is ok, everything else is unreadable garbage or worse, smut

[Anonymous No.18791205]

>>18790854
Martha Wells is alright but most def not self-published. Bitch has globohomo money out the ass; she doesn't need any of yours.

Wild Wastes is mindless smut, but I've read worse. Everyone Loves Large Chests is legit unreadable.

[Anonymous No.18791209]

>>18791205
I liked the idea to start of everybody loves large chests but it turned into awful fan service junk fast

[Anonymous No.18791387]

>>18790854
>>18790865
>>18790882
>>18791205
>>18791209
Don't whine, complain, or criticize. Do what needs to be done instead yourself. That's far more productive and constructive. These charts are common use. Anyone can do anything.

[Anonymous No.18791470]

>>18790854
I've read and enjoyed a couple of these books "for what they are", e.g. God Touched is pretty awful in many ways but it's a female vampire romance with the vampire being a centuries old prostitute. Too bad it had not only two cuckold scenes/scares but even introduced a second male protagonist later on which is when I dropped the series for good.

[Anonymous No.18791477]

>>18791470
*not being a centuries old whore
Which in my experience is rare for female vampires.

[Anonymous No.18791574]

>>18791477
All women are whores; regardless of vampirism.

[Anonymous No.18791584]

>>18791574
Too bad that fantasy is entrenched in gritty realism when it comes to wombmen

[Anonymous No.18791811]

>>18790844
>Book Club
Seveneves, August 15
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22816087-seveneves

[Anonymous No.18791945]

>tfw you're enjoying a book, but it's in desperate need of an editor

[Anonymous No.18791959]

Keep recommending me more LGBT free fantasy books/series that are relatively modern.

[Anonymous No.18792033]

>>18791387
Fuck off.
A critique itself is constructive and is important for any self-published author. Too many authors quickly went downhill because people didn’t call out they shit or they tried to appease to the lowest and loudest scum.
It’s always sad seeing a young author with a lot of potential and good ideas turning into smug harem shitfest author No.953213.

[Anonymous No.18792035]

>>18791064
Actually Sazed is Brandon’s self insert. The whole point of the series is for the Mormon Brandon to show that religions are a good thing, this ultimately culminates in the last book’s ending.

>>18790943
Based.

>>18791959
It’s impossible to find them nowadays. Even Mormon Sandersoy has them but they can be counted with two fingers and they are side characters. Probably you are best suited to find books that do not push LGBT agenda on you. Try Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18792055]

>>18790844
holy shit is that anime?????

[Anonymous No.18792069]

>>18790943
based.

[Anonymous No.18792082]

>>18790851
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18792087]

>>18792055
The scourge of anime OP picture has been here for months. Maybe if I ignore it it’ll go away.

[Anonymous No.18792098]

>>18790854
I wouldn't mind if that chart added Virtuous Sons: A Greco Roman Xianxia, Beware of Chicken and Cradle. Mother of Learning is another I would recommend, but its been so long since I read it that I can't remember if people will like it.

[Anonymous No.18792143]

Been thinking of getting new editions of Book of the New Sun as my old copies are becoming worn from being reread so often and it's the Fantasy Masterworks editions. Can someone tell me if the Tor books hardback editions are any good or recommend me decent quality editions instead?

[Anonymous No.18792185]

patrick gnomefuss

[Anonymous No.18792235]

[Anonymous No.18792287]

>>18792098
Mother of learning is fine. Cradle is already on the list.
I am also enjoying "the perfect Run" so far.
"Castle Kingside" is besides "The Twelve kingdoms" the only isekai I enjoyed and would recommend to other people.
But the two might not fit the list even when they are better than some titles i recognize.
Perhaps "Inheritors of Eschaton" would be a better candidate. Didn't like it as much, but alas, its popular for a reason.

[Anonymous No.18792422]

When does this get good? 120 pages in and ready to call it quits

[Anonymous No.18792504]

Finished reading all of The Wheel of Time. I'd say it finished on a fairly high note, left me wanting more.
No way the TV show is going to do it justice though.

[Anonymous No.18792505]

>>18792504
Don't be sad. At least you can start reading actual good books now.

[Anonymous No.18792559]

>>18791065
Fimbulwinter, but it has smut so beware.

[Anonymous No.18792561]

>>18791470
If you want cuckshit then just look up cuck shit. It's retarded to expect a random story to have serious cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.18792572]

>>18792504
i agree bro, at the end of the day, through all the tedium, all the filler, all the annoying characters i was left with positive feelings about wot. 5+ years later i think of rand and mat and loial and lan and moiraine and the aiel and the aiel waste and the forsaken and lanfear and the blight and elaine and the glass pillars chapters and the ways and the steddings and the male and female halves of the power and the great captains and the last battle and shaitan it puts a smile on my face. fuck what everyone else says, the books were like good friend you knew for a few years and then moved on. i'll always have a soft spot for the series and i'm never gonna watch the amazon abortion

[Anonymous No.18792627]

What's the best Alastair Reynolds novel?

[Anonymous No.18792687]

>>18792627
Chasm City

[Anonymous No.18792691]

>>18792504
the books sound very interesting but I'm scared of how long it is, I will do it after reading smaller books first.

[Anonymous No.18792695]

>>18792504
>>18792572
how long did it take you to read it?

[Anonymous No.18792701]

>>18792691
Read the first book if you want, it was OK. Honestly just learn to drop things that bore you, don't autistically think that you have some obligation to finish what you started.

[Anonymous No.18792716]

>>18792701
I agree, but its still scary to start a series like that, imagine seeing them stacked.

[Anonymous No.18792821]

>>18792691
>>18792716
It's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.18792862]

>>18792691

The Wheel of Time is shit. Don't bother.

[Anonymous No.18792926]

>>18792695
hard to say. i had more free time to read back then and was working part time. also it's true what the other anons are telling you, a few of the books are boring. probably took me around a year.
also keep in mind that it depends on your age and interest in the books. when i was a kid i could read a whole harry potter novel, now i couldn't. when i read wot i was in my early 20s., probably wouldn't enjoy it as much now. but the books definitely have a lot of charm and if you're in the right time of your life, you might enjoy them. just keep what that other anons said in mind. be able to quit if something bores you. i still can't do it and i wasted over an year on malazan and thomas covenant, series that i disliked for like 80% of the time and don't remember nearly as fondly

[Anonymous No.18792930]

>>18792926
*a whole harry potter novel in one night

[Anonymous No.18792934]

>>18792504
>>18792572
It's certainly flawed and overly long in places but when it comes to world building and characters its a masterpiece. The ending is extremely justified and cathartic. I re-read it recently because of the tv adaptation starting soon and "the slog" is present but less tedious than I remember.

[Anonymous No.18792952]

>>18790854
I am once again requesting Antimemetics Division is added to this list

[Anonymous No.18792959]

>>18792422
It gets good when you hit God Emperor of Dune

[Anonymous No.18793021]

>>18792952
>requesting
Make your own shit list and shill it here, there's nothing official about any of the other shit lists (there were many, though most are forgotten since the creators weren't autistic enough to shill them in every fucking thread).

[Anonymous No.18793051]

Any books like Burroughs's "Cities of the Red Night?"

I have trouble putting it into words, but it feels so... authentic. Like it doesn't feel like an author made up a fantasy world or anaalternate universe. It doesn't feel like urban fantasy or magical realism even though it is all of them. It feels like this is a novel someone would write in a universe where all this is true.

[Anonymous No.18793085]

Maybe you guys can help me. I’m into books with a heroic sort of element or character, but I’m not into sword and sorcery type fantasy. I don’t really have much interest in science or science fiction. YA is just a little too low brow. So where am I supposed to look for books? Modernism kind of killed the hero and so looking for contemporary books to read has left me totally lost.

[Anonymous No.18793098]

>>18792422
It's pretty widely thought that the first half of Dune is the best part because everyone loves the world building more than the characters... sorry breh maybe not your cup of tea.

>>18792143
Also would be curious, years back I lent my copy or Shadow and Claw to my then gf, her stinky basset hound ripped it up. Worst thing is she had the balls to return it to me with the cover and first few pages missing. I've always wanted a really nice looking copy for my collection.

>>18792572
I feel similarly, WOT is like a high school friend used to hang out with but drifted apart from. I don't regret the time, but I also wouldn't pursue it now or recommend to anyone over a certain age (25?). The first book is legitimately good though, it has a great sense of urgency/momentum maintained over many chapters, after that it just slows down more and more until you're trapped in a hell dimension of overly described dresses/frilly collars and bad dreams.

[Anonymous No.18793164]

>achieves the Absolute before the Dunyain

[Anonymous No.18793226]

Bros I wanna take analogue and become a become an animal for a while to escape this world. Kind of a cool idea.

On a serious note though, what exactly did Presteigns daughter represent? What's she Gully's anima? Also did you guys take this to be more of a Christian or Buddhist theme?

[Anonymous No.18793228]

>>18792035
>books that do not push LGBT agenda on you.
>bakkers
kek

[Anonymous No.18793244]

>>18793226
>On a serious note though, what exactly did Presteigns daughter represent?
Dumbest question I've seen in a long time. She represents Mercédès Mondego, because the entire story is a sci-fi re-imagining of the Count of Monte Cristo.

[Anonymous No.18793261]

>>18793244
>Mercédès Mondego
Well then what exactly does she represent as far as an archetype.

Also thanks for being a cocksucker when I'm actually trying to have discussion instead of just Bakker shilling.

[Anonymous No.18793262]

>>18790844
Finished the Book of the New Sun, was good enough, gonna try Bakker now

[Anonymous No.18793264]

>>18793261
Not everything has to be allegory.

[Anonymous No.18793285]

>>18792035
>try Bakker
>heroes of the story ass rape multiple male characters

[Anonymous No.18793360]

>>18792627
>>18792687
This

[Anonymous No.18793374]

friends, I read The Golden Age by John C. Wright, I thought there were some excellent moments in it, and some really bold exploration of tropes taken to their most extreme conclusions..
Now I'm a quarter of the way into the sequel and I don't even give a quarter shit anymore... The whole thing with the possibility that he's being hunted by an unknown alien civ, versus the possibility that he just made it all up... it comes in at the last second in the book, and all of a sudden this is what the story is ~about~. That's not the book I thought I was reading, and I don't think it's the one I want to read..
Is the rest of the series worth it? Does he stick the landing at all?

[Anonymous No.18793437]

>>18790851
i love brainlet reviews on goodreads

[Anonymous No.18793439]

>>18793098
>Worst thing is she had the balls to return it to me with the cover and first few pages missing.
I don't get this. I tear myself up if I bend the page's corner slightly, I can't even begin to imagine just returning an outright damaged book that someone lent to me.

[Anonymous No.18793573]

>>18793437

[Anonymous No.18793683]

>>18793285
Do you think it is portraying gay acts as good or are they portrayed as something bad?

[Anonymous No.18793752]

>>18793683
How can you portray "gay acts" aka ass raep as something good?

[Anonymous No.18793784]

I’ve tried but no matter what I just can’t properly enjoy it. It feels like foam with jelly inside.
It’s solid but I don’t see how it is put so high in many lists.

[Anonymous No.18793793]

>>18793784
Dune is the type of book that I enjoyed as a kid in primary school and didn't like when re-reading as a working adult.

[Anonymous No.18793841]

Anyone have a epub / mobi of The desert prince by Peter V Brett to share?h

[Anonymous No.18793852]

>>18793841
[web browser of choice] -> [search engine of choice] -> booksc -> xxx,xxx,xxx Books in top left corner -> input your query in search box

[Anonymous No.18793861]

>>18793852
>>18793841
If it's not there you can always try mobililism (needs registration). Otherwise you are shit out of luck, buy it and deDRM (you can look up how on the interwebs, not gonna post a link to that site because I think this should stay as small and unknown as possible).

[Anonymous No.18793883]

Onions

[Anonymous No.18793931]

>>18793883
>being this new

[Anonymous No.18794235]

The foul spewage of Golgotterath has invaded the streets of our once-mighty Capital…

[Anonymous No.18794261]

>>18794235
lol

[Anonymous No.18794273]

>>18794235
If I eat their bagels, will I start wanting to murderrape everyone? I mean, more than I already do.

[Anonymous No.18794288]

>>18792287
Tell me more about the perfect run, Castle Kingside and The Twelve kingdoms.

[Anonymous No.18794310]

has anybody here read George MacDonald's Phantastes?

[Anonymous No.18794390]

>>18794310
I just jacked off to the fountain head in that painting.

[Anonymous No.18794431]

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck No Releases
Fuck Nothing
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.18794515]

>>18792504
Wow somebody actually stuck it out. What did you think about Egwene and Gawyn's ends? Seeing how it went down, I can't help but feel all th ebuild up to their romance was a waste. I get that it was supposed to be tragic but the final battle was so chaotic no real weight was given to it. Plus by that point I was sick of Egwene as a character, Gawyn too.

[Anonymous No.18794524]

More stuff like Hyperion? I’ve been gradually growing disinterested in lit recommended literature and especially the majority of philosophical drivel. But most read sci fi and fantasy is not very special to me, I do really like Arthur Clarke though and loved hyperion.

[Anonymous No.18794526]

>>18792716
I find it more comforting to get into big series. It sounds like big series just aren't for you.

[Anonymous No.18794532]

>>18792934
You know the slow parts so you can sort of skim through them. I've tried a thorough reread of WoT only once, just to make sure I truly wasn't missing anything (foreshadowing, etc), and now I just skim over the parts I know are filler.

[Anonymous No.18794556]

[Anonymous No.18794565]

>>18794526
>I find it more comforting to get into big series.

Can you expound on this?

[Anonymous No.18794569]

Any reccs for a shorter standalone fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18794632]

>>18794569
They are called novellas.
You may also want shorter lengths than that.

[Anonymous No.18794761]

>>18794569
The War of the Flowers
The Knight

[Anonymous No.18794801]

>>18794524
It's not quite straight sci-fi and a lot of people don't like all the sex stuff in it, but I just finished William Burrouhhs's Cities of the Red Night and I think it will scratch the same itch.

[Anonymous No.18794901]

>>18793784
>I don’t see how it is put so high in many lists.
It was genre-revolutionizing for it’s time. You’re reading it 60 years after it’s release so you can’t identify all of the “cliches” that didn’t exist before Dune.

[Anonymous No.18795184]

>bakker

[Anonymous No.18795254]

>>18792143
You could always get this beast
https://www.foliosociety.com/usa/the-book-of-the-new-sun-2-volume.html
>tfw you will never own the Wolfe autographed version

[Anonymous No.18795260]

I only recently went into these threads.
Is bakker the "meme of the month" or a regular?

[Anonymous No.18795267]

>>18795260
Read him and find out.

[Anonymous No.18795278]

>>18795267
I imagine all the characters as white even though I know they're not.

[Anonymous No.18795284]

i want to pick up a copy of dune to reread before the movie comes out, its been probably 10 years since i read it. but i was reading a review that said the newest version has had some content edited out. can anyone confirm or deny? heard anything similar?

is there a definitive release anyone would recommend? looking to rebuy it and i dont want a version thats been hacked apart by some squeamish editor

[Anonymous No.18795486]

>>18795184
I don't think that Sanderson reads Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18795495]

>>18795260
Search "Bakker" on the Archives and find out.

[Anonymous No.18795503]

>>18795267
>>18795278
>>18795260
>>18795486
>bakker
ur soi pseudo intellectual midwit trash

[Anonymous No.18795513]

>>18795278
Based.

[Anonymous No.18795522]

>>18795503
Seething PhD detected.

[Anonymous No.18795536]

>>18795260
Bakker is unironically the best writer in the genre, and it's not even close.

Give it a try and judge for yourself.

[Anonymous No.18795538]

>>18795522
Midwit detected
philosophy is for nerd virgins

[Anonymous No.18795564]

>>18795536
he's a hack

[Anonymous No.18795567]

>>18795564
You're trying too hard, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.18795580]

>>18795567
He's a pseud philosophicuck leftie hack
read some better fantasy if you think bakker is the best writer in the genre

[Anonymous No.18795583]

>>18794556
The Blond Beast…

[Anonymous No.18795591]

>>18795580
Those are not arguments.

I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.18795605]

>>18795503
>ur

[Anonymous No.18795638]

>>18795591
>>18795605
Zoomer seethe
Read some edgar rice burroughs, kiddies

[Anonymous No.18795668]

>>18795260
Best writer in the genre. Cool ideas. Good style. Engaging plot (ok, the first half of Aspect Emperor drags a bit).

[Anonymous No.18795675]

I can never tell who's meming who in these threads, so I just play it safe and never take recommendations.

[Anonymous No.18795687]

>>18795675
I generally just download a pirated epub of whatever recommendation and read the first chapter. If it’s bad, into the bin it goes. If I enjoy it, I’ll order a physical copy.

[Anonymous No.18795688]

>>18795675
Didn't ask.

[Anonymous No.18795691]

>>18795638
>read Barsoom
not really my cup of tea, grandpa

[Anonymous No.18795697]

Thoughts so far? Also, can I get some titles & nicknames for Elros?

[Anonymous No.18795700]

>>18795691
>low t zoomer bugman who enjoys gay philosophy spergery and """worldbuilding""" over romance and adventure gets triggered at barsoom
typical

[Anonymous No.18795703]

>>18794565
Not really sure what's unclear about it. I like it when a series has a lot of books, because if I enjoy the series that means I get to spend more time reading it. If I don't enjoy it, whatever. The number of books in a series I'm not gonna read is irrelevant to me. I'm not one of those people that feels obligated to stick with a series after I start it, I only read something for as long as I want to. Thus, the length of a series is only a positive thing to me.

[Anonymous No.18795734]

>>18795675
The Bakker bullshit is just shitpost at this point.

[Anonymous No.18795747]

>>18795697
Possibly the best meme to ever come out of /sffg/. I fucking love the detail that went into this. Including Elros Tar-Minyatur is a great touch

[Anonymous No.18795750]

>>18795734
It was shitposts from the moment it started, they originally got triggered by all the Sandertard posting when his latest book came out and since this board has no mods there was nobody to stop them and their discord group from hijacking the threads.

[Anonymous No.18795755]

>>18795697
As King of Doriath and son of Beren and Luthien, Dior Eluchil should maybe look like your wojack of Turgon but with silver hair? Just a thought

[Anonymous No.18795760]

>>18795750
You are so new here that I literally laughed out loud.

[Anonymous No.18795769]

>>18795750
Insider here
There is no secret discord. The Bakkerposting is organic and native to /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.18795773]

>>18795750
They have a discord and yet they come here to shit up the thread. And worse is that they repeat the same bullshit every thread or every other thread.

[Anonymous No.18795804]

>>18795750
You are fucking delusional.
Bakker has been memed here for almost a fucking decade now. Look at the archives if you don't believe me.

Lurk more, newfag zoomer.

[Anonymous No.18795809]

>"OH NO!!! NOT THE DISCORD PEOPLE!!!!"
>"MOOOOOODS!!!!"

[Anonymous No.18795822]

>>18795773
>repeat the same bullshit every thread or every other thread.
This. Holy fuck this. They’re trying to force a discussion on a book that no one but them reads.

[Anonymous No.18795827]

>>18795750
The seething and pearl clutching of anti-Bakkerites is far more amusing than his actual books.

[Anonymous No.18795829]

>>18795809
Everyone who uses discord is subhuman.

[Anonymous No.18795838]

>Making ESLs seethe since the First Apocalypse.

[Anonymous No.18795842]

>>18795827
This. Salty Anti-Bakker tears make for a most delicious and exquisite sip.

[Anonymous No.18795846]

>>18795827
Based.

[Anonymous No.18795854]

>>18795804
>>18795809
>>18795838
>>18795827
>>18795842
>>18795846

[Anonymous No.18795867]

We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.18795883]

>>18795734
Yes, but in which direction?

[Anonymous No.18795886]

>>18795747
Thank you.
Also, been reading reading Unfinished Tales and by it decided to add the Elfstone to Eärendil.
>>18795755
Been pondering that for a while as well. If there's spare space, might include the Nauglamir as well.

[Anonymous No.18795909]

>>18795867
Who are you responding to?

[Anonymous No.18795911]

Cringe.

[Anonymous No.18795919]

>>18795883
Derailing the thread.

[Anonymous No.18795925]

>>18795919
Why? Are they stopping you from having other discussions?

[Anonymous No.18795936]

>>18795919
I want to know if people in the thread enjoy Bakker or not. How is that derailing?

[Anonymous No.18795937]

>>18795925
Not him but are you pretending to be amazed that shitposts bury actual discussion into a sea of feces (especially since shitposts take no effort so they shit them out by the dozen)?

[Anonymous No.18795942]

>We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.18795943]

>>18795937
No one is forcing you to stay here.

[Anonymous No.18795959]

>>18795943
You could fuck off to your discord.

[Anonymous No.18795964]

>>18795943
I'm staying for the rare anons who actually read books. But nice to see that you don't even try to argue my point and instead decided to deflect.

[Anonymous No.18795972]

>>18795959
What's the link to the discord? Because I would actually like to join.

[Anonymous No.18795981]

>>18795937
Don't forget its the same shitpost every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.18796041]

>>18795964
What exactly is "shit-posting" for you? Because you haven't pointed to a single instance of it. And as far as I was able to rather, you get triggered the moment someone praises Bakker. He's literally living rent-free in your head for some reason. Everyone here knows with 100% certainty that you haven't read him.

So why does this particular author trigger you so much? Was it the complex vocabulary that filtered you in the first 100 pages? Or are the themes of the book too challenging for you to grasp?

I am starting to feel sorry for you at this point.

>>18795972
There is no Discord As far as I'm aware.

[Anonymous No.18796045]

>>18795942
Who are you responding to?

[Anonymous No.18796049]

>>18794524
try the commonwealth saga. it's hard to describe. it does have low points where new location/settings get overly described, but overall interactive story arcs, aliens, AI, longevity and societal divergence and development really brings the world to life. quite enjoyable if you dug hyperion. its more plainly written and if anything is between hyperion and foundation.

[Anonymous No.18796050]

what's the website that starts with mobi where you download books? I forgot the name

[Anonymous No.18796060]

>>18795937
>>18795981
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18796070]

>>18796060
That you keep repeating the same bullshit verbatim?

[Anonymous No.18796077]

>>18796041
You know exactly what I mean. Retarded catchphrases repeated ad nauseam, spamming the same posts thread after thread, etc. I don't mind actual discussion of Bakker, though it is quite rare.
How replying to a question (>>18795925) is 'being triggered', letting Bakker 'live in my head rent-free', etc. is quite beyond me. If you don't want an answer then don't ask. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.18796078]

>>18796050
mobilism.
try b-ok

[Anonymous No.18796081]

>>18796041
>I'm staying for the rare anons who actually read books
Me too anon, me too. Slowly becoming one of those anons, hoping that I will be able to contribute something of value

>>18796050
mobilism(dot)me

[Anonymous No.18796084]

>>18796081
retard.

[Anonymous No.18796093]

>>18796078
>try b-ok
it's better for older shit, mobilism is mostly for new stuff and they often delete popular books after some time to stay safe or whatever (but by that point they are everywhere so it's not a problem)

[Anonymous No.18796101]

>>18796078
>>18796081
thanks

[Anonymous No.18796120]

>>18796077
Sorry newfag, but the Bakker memes and shit-posting are part of this general's canon.

You can either accept that, keep bitching about, or fuck off.

The funny part is that you will eventually give in and try to read him again.

[Anonymous No.18796127]

>>18796077
All they want to do is shitpost.

[Anonymous No.18796132]

cope

[Anonymous No.18796136]

>>18796120
I tried him a few years before coming to /sffg/ and I was not impressed. I'm not weak-willed enough to try to delude myself into liking something I don't just because it's popular, so your fantasy will not come true. The rest of the post is too much of a shitpost to even reply seriously to.

[Anonymous No.18796139]

>>18790943
a what?

[Anonymous No.18796140]

seeth

[Anonymous No.18796143]

>>18796077
It's so easy to see through your post. Jesus fucking Christ. Grow a thicker skin, you söy.

[Anonymous No.18796146]

>>18796139
A dose of Black Sneed

[Anonymous No.18796150]

I didn't expect so many replies, I see I struck a nerve just by calling a spade a spade.

[Anonymous No.18796153]

>>18796132
>>18796140
>>18796150
Who are you responding to?

[Anonymous No.18796159]

>>18796136
>The rest of the post is too much of a shitpost to even reply seriously to.
>"Everything I don't like is shit-posting"
I accept your concession then.

[Anonymous No.18796163]

Why exactly did she mean by "so your fantasy will not come true."?

Isn't that what they said to Kellhus too?

[Anonymous No.18796164]

>>18796153
I'm reponding to the three people angry about my post (or one person extremely angry about my post). The other two guys are just shitposting /b/-style.

[Anonymous No.18796169]

>>18796150
What the fuck, Spades are talking too?

[Anonymous No.18796178]

>>18796136
You sound resentful that you cannot enjoy the Bakker memes.

[Anonymous No.18796184]

What is the best /sfffg/ book to listen to as an audio book?

[Anonymous No.18796186]

>Bakkerposters are shitting up the thread.
>/SFFG/. NEEDS. IDS. NOW.

[Anonymous No.18796187]

>>18796184

[Anonymous No.18796188]

>>18796178
>Bakker memes
>memes
>s
But you only have one (1) joke.

[Anonymous No.18796192]

>>18796188
That you for validating my point.

[Anonymous No.18796197]

>>18796192
No need to that me.

[Anonymous No.18796200]

>>18796178
She's mad about the fact that she will never be able to partake in Bakkerposting.

[Anonymous No.18796205]

>>18796184
Probably LotR desu.
Captcha: YYNOT

[Anonymous No.18796220]

>>18796187
>tfw no sissy white fag tranny boi to pole

[Anonymous No.18796221]

>>18793085
You might like the lies of Locke lamorra by scott lynch

[Anonymous No.18796224]

Daily reminder to read the Prince of Nothing Trilogy.

This is part of the official /sffg/'s canon.

[Anonymous No.18796237]

>>18796186
OH NO NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.18796241]

>>18795675
So, what are you reading then?

[Anonymous No.18796286]

>/sffg/ — Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18796294]

>>18796286

[Anonymous No.18796317]

schizo hours

[Anonymous No.18796329]

>>18796317
>And that is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.18796349]

>For me? It's R Scott Bakker. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor.

[Anonymous No.18796375]

>>18796349
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.18796388]

>rent-free

[Anonymous No.18796395]

>>18796349
That guy looks so cool

[Anonymous No.18796396]

>>18796375
This. Although I wouldn't say that his sense of humor is noteworthy.

[Anonymous No.18796400]

>>For me? It's R Scott Bakker. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor.

[Anonymous No.18796403]

Who are you responding to?

[Anonymous No.18796412]

>>18796396
I think TSA is enjoyed most when understood not as dead serious lit fic (which the author leans into too strongly sometimes), but as a sick cosmic joke and a quasi-parody of both the fantasy genre and the Abrahamic canon.

[Anonymous No.18796537]

>>18794310
I didn't think much of it. It's an isekai that a redditor would describe as dreamlike and I would call boring. The one good chapter is its own short story, where the narrator retells a story he read in an elven library.

[Anonymous No.18796669]

>>18793573
>The names are just... well, silly.
>OMG WhiskeyJack !!
Jesus. They have no self-awareness at all.

[Anonymous No.18796696]

>'Fair shall the end be,' he cried, though long and hard shall be the road! Say farewell to bondage! But say farewell also to ease! Say farewell to the weak! Say farewell to your treasures! More still shall we make.'

>'Journey light: but bring with you your swords! For we will go further than Oromë, endure longer than Tulkas: we will never turn back from pursuit. After Morgoth to the ends of the Earth! War shall he have and hatred undying.'

>'But when we have conquered and have regained the Silmarils, then we and we alone shall be lords of the unsullied Light, and masters of the bliss and beauty of Arda. No other race shall oust us!'

[Anonymous No.18796786]

I'm 100 pages into Gravity's Rainbow. Should I put it down and read Dune before the mobie comes out?

[Anonymous No.18796807]

>>18796786
Dune hasn't aged all that well. It's still worth reading just for God Emperor, which is still amazing and has some of my favorite dialogue in fiction.

[Anonymous No.18796824]

>>18796807
Nigger is that a yes or a no?

[Anonymous No.18796835]

>>18796824
yes read dune.

[Anonymous No.18796845]

>>18796835
different anon here, can i just jump into the god emperor books without reading the first one? i know the plot and i've seen multiple adaptations, feel like i could probably skip it

i want Leto madness

[Anonymous No.18796879]

>>18796845
You can, but I'd still recommend you read the first 3. But, yeah, if for some reason you just really don't like dune and just want some eternal worm-man-god action, it won't be too bad since it takes place like 1000 years after the previous ones.

[Anonymous No.18796935]

These threads are always so fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.18796950]

I just realized that the sa'angreal in the Wheel of Time books is a reference to the royal or holy blood of Jesus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail
Also, the Aes Sedai is a reference to the Aes Sidhe, who are like fairies or elves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aos_S%C3%AD
This is on top of the obvious Elayne, Morgase, Caemlyn/Camelot names. Any other cool references in these books, anons? There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to Robert Jordan's picking of the names other than a sensible Arthurian theme. One name I hate in the books is the Seanchan. Makes me think of Chrischan.

[Anonymous No.18796965]

>>18796950
I have no idea what wheel of time is but fuck off. This is a bakkerCHAD general.

[Anonymous No.18797010]

>>18796950
There's plenty
>"A silvery thing in another cabinet, like a three-pointed star inside a circle, was made of no substance she knew; it was softer than metal, scratched and gouged, yet even older than any of the ancient bones. From ten paces she could sense pride and vanity."

>There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to Robert Jordan's picking of the names
There is, if you pay attention it becomes pretty obvious that the series is intended to be set on future earth, the age before the age of legends ended in a war between "Mosk and Merk" (Moscow and America) fought with lances of fire that reached the stars and destroyed entire cities (nukes).
Keep in mind the series began during the Cold War.

[Anonymous No.18797015]

>I have no idea what wheel of time is but fuck off. This is a bakkerCHAD general.

[Anonymous No.18797039]

>>18797010
Hot damn. I knew the previous age was one of high technology, weird, but high tech because of the volkswagen beetles or whatever they were described as. I just thought the star description was of some weird magic metal but I suppose that's what plastic is. Question is, why is the One Power did in our world? Or is it? If Robert Jordan was writing based off of the present being the book's past, he is stating that the One Power must exist, of course. So why don't we see it? Is it because modern Whitecloaks won their war and the bloodlines that contain aptitude for magic are suppressed? What brings out that aptitude when our age ends? Is Robert Jordan a prophet? Does he have any freemason connections?

[Anonymous No.18797043]

>>18797039
Each age is simply different, the rules of the universe aren't necessarily consistent between them.
Also the Aes Sedai live in a giant ivory tower on vagina island.

[Anonymous No.18797059]

>>18797039
If you read carefully, there’s lots of references like that. There’s even mentions of space colonies that were cut off when they fucked everything up in the age of legends.

[Anonymous No.18797231]

Penguin decides that since their H.P. Lovecraft: Collected Works and Clark Ashton Smith volumes were received fairly well, they'll make a 'fantasy masterworks' series, but they'll only release six volumes at first to test the waters; what six books/series get released under the Penguins Classics label?

[Anonymous No.18797241]

>>18792695
About a year, on and off. Life got in the way, and I finished the last four books over about a month or so. The final three fly in, as Sanderson has a more simplistic writing style.
>>18794515
Gawyn was a simpleton that needed more development, or at least to have that development brought forward so you spent longer with them being "happy". Egwene didn't annoy me too much beyond "I'm sorry my love, I must be a bitch for now." Her story ended well.
Mat casually setting off fireworks while Perrin is desperately trying to find his wife amongst the corpses was a bit of awkward moment.

[Anonymous No.18797250]

>>18795254
I actually asked about that in the previous thread and was told by an anon the following:

>Don't buy anything Folio Society if you actually intend to read it, the paper they use now is barely any better than your average paperback.

[Anonymous No.18797287]

>>18797231
>Clark Ashton Smith
How come no one's bothered to reprint Zothique?

[Anonymous No.18797298]

>>18791945
oh shit, you reading bakker?

[Anonymous No.18797380]

>>18797241
>Egwene didn't annoy me too much beyond "I'm sorry my love, I must be a bitch for now."
I just felt like she got so full of herself so quickly. She hardly seemed to suffer from the same kind of crisis of identity than Rand,Perrin, and Mat went through, coming to terms with their own importance and the burdens of ruling and leading. Egwene seemed eager to believe she was special and superior to others and relished her status.

[Anonymous No.18797391]

>>18797380
Egwene was like that right from the beginning though. It's even highlighted very early on in the first book, how she's willing to drop everything when a position of authority opens up to her.

[Anonymous No.18797396]

>>18797010
I've heard some different ideas about why the far future premise was dropped. Some people seemed to think that Jordan got miffed that readers figured it out early and refused to go down that route because it had been spoiled. I think it's more that he just got side tracked and it wound up not really being that important to the story he was telling.

[Anonymous No.18797404]

>>18797391
Yeah that's what I mean, I was never a fan of her character and by the end of the series I was just done with her BS.

[Anonymous No.18797412]

>>18797396
>Some people seemed to think that Jordan got miffed that readers figured it out early and refused to go down that route because it had been spoiled
Jordan did that *repeatedly* with the series. Demandred being Taim, Graendal working with Demandred, and Olver being Gaidal just off the top of my head. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Jordan dropped it purely because people figured it out.

[Anonymous No.18797415]

>>18797412
>Demandred being Taim,
That seemed like such an obvious setup too.

[Anonymous No.18797469]

>>18793374
I read the series, I enjoyed it
Isn’t the whole goddamn point of this sorta book is that the protagonist ISNT crazy or making shit up ?

[Anonymous No.18797596]

>>18796696
I was doing the basedface the entire time while reading Fäenor's oath in the Silmarilion, desu.

[Anonymous No.18797714]

>>18797412
>>18797415
I'm still mad that Demandred being Taim got dropped, it made so much more sense than the retarded bullshit we got in the end.

[Anonymous No.18797721]

>>18797714
Wouldn't be the first time it happened.

[Anonymous No.18797802]

Has anyone read from the novelizations of the Warhammer or World of Warcraft universe? I'm attracted to the aesthetics of the world (both in how they're very unforgiving shlock and how the characters were quote "designed by an erection"), but the one WoW book I looked seemed pretty bad. Is Warhammer better? Did I misjudge WoW books? Anyone have experience reading them?

[Anonymous No.18797809]

[Anonymous No.18797811]

>>18797802
>Anyone have experience reading them?
Oh, anon.

[Anonymous No.18797819]

>>18797802
The Warhammer ones are typically much better, the Gotrek and Felix novels are pretty good pulp fantasy. Of those, the ones written by William king are the best.
Stay right away from the Warcraft novels. They're bad even by the standards of fantasy written by 20-something women with a degree from CalArts.

[Anonymous No.18797823]

>>18797802
i read some of the ciaphas cain WH40K books. pretty mediocre

[Anonymous No.18797848]

>>18797819
Thanks, sounds good.
>>18797811
Not gonna lie, I was pretty confident people would have experience reading WH40k books since I've heard a lot about them being great at times, but I always had the impression of everyone ignoring Warhammer Fantasy, so I was uncertain.

[Anonymous No.18797906]

>>18797848
Nah, only a few anons reads WH40k books. The majority here refuse to read them.

[Anonymous No.18797911]

>>18797811
Legit, how much money did this cost you?

[Anonymous No.18797925]

>>18796950
>>18797010
Anymore fantasy series where the setting is just earth but in the future? I know Shannara is one but any other?

[Anonymous No.18797929]

>>18797925
A song of ice and fire. Martin said that it takes place in an alternate earth.

[Anonymous No.18797956]

>>18797809
She’s right you know.

[Anonymous No.18797975]

>>18797802
Basically what this anon >>18797819 said.

[Anonymous No.18797983]

>>18796935
no just a few shitposters ruining for the rest

[Anonymous No.18797985]

>>18797925
I'm writing one at the moment. I'm actually concerned I'm borrowing/stealing too many ideas from other works.

[Anonymous No.18797991]

>>18797985
Yeah, I doubt people care about that since everything at this point is just derivative.

[Anonymous No.18798008]

>>18797985
I wouldn’t worry about it. Besides, people who try to do what your doing fucked themselves later on for worrying that.

[Anonymous No.18798014]

>>18797985
What story you working on?

[Anonymous No.18798020]

>>18797985
>Actual writer on /lit/
Massive doubt from me.

[Anonymous No.18798029]

>>18797985
>I'm actually concerned I'm borrowing/stealing too many ideas from other works.
That's the point of working within a genre.
Try to put your own spin on things to keep them fresh.

[Anonymous No.18798039]

>>18797231
They need to release a second Ligotti volume to get Noctuary back in print.

[Anonymous No.18798047]

>>18798039
>Noctuary
Pass

[Anonymous No.18798061]

>>18798014
Just another "something happens to end the world" and now the new world has magic story.

>>18798020
I'm writing it for myself. Who knows if it'll ever be published. Had the idea(s) floating around in my head for a long time. All the Covid lockdowns gave me the free time and impetus to get off my ass and do it.

[Anonymous No.18798070]

>>18798061
Don’t go the trad published route. It’s a waste of time. Go for self publish.

[Anonymous No.18798077]

>>18798061
>Who knows if it'll ever be published.
It probably won't. Just self-publish it.

[Anonymous No.18798078]

>>18797231
Based taste and cover art selections.
I'd switch out Leiber for Earthsea (Books I-III perhaps) but that's just me.

[Anonymous No.18798082]

>>18798047
It simply annoys me that I can't get physical copies of all his books without spending hundreds of dollars.

[Anonymous No.18798088]

>>18798082
Have you tried garage sales or thrift book stores.

[Anonymous No.18798100]

>>18798070
>>18798077
The (little) research I've done into self-pub makes it look daunting. Thousands of new works are published on Amazon and the like every day so how do I make mine get noticed. *shrug*

[Anonymous No.18798101]

>>18798061
>Just another "something happens to end the world" and now the new world has magic story.
Oh, then don’t worry about it. That’s a dime a dozen.

[Anonymous No.18798104]

>>18798088
Very unlikely as his out-of-print books all had limited print runs. That's why they're so expensive now. And anyone who has one is going to know how much it's worth.

[Anonymous No.18798105]

>>18798100
>Thousands of new works are published on Amazon and the like every day so how do I make mine get noticed.
Post on Royal Road and have a social media presence.

[Anonymous No.18798113]

>>18798101
Well I like to think I have a unique spin on the idea.

>>18798105
While I read RR myself I don't think my story is a good fit for it. It's definitely a novel not some story than can be easily serialised into bite-sized chunks.

[Anonymous No.18798115]

>>18798113
>It's definitely a novel not some story than can be easily serialised into bite-sized chunks.
Anon, there's several novels on Royal Road, yours will be no different.

[Anonymous No.18798119]

>>18798115
> there's several novels on Royal Road
Such as?

[Anonymous No.18798147]

>>18797925
tales of the dying earth
zothique cycle
a canticle for leibowitz
book of the new sun
(perhaps) viriconium
also check these out if the setting suits you
grrm - dying of the light, windhaven
vance - emphyrio

[Anonymous No.18798155]

>>18798119
The following are complete with around 300 pages and they're more like novels
A Lonely Dungeon
Post Human
Love Crafted
Legacy of Terra: Forgotten

[Anonymous No.18798158]

>>18798113
>It's definitely a novel not some story than can be easily serialised into bite-sized chunks
Yeah, it is. You just don’t want to put in the effort.

[Anonymous No.18798174]

>>18798155
Thanks. I'll take a look into those. I'm already at around 150k words and 2/3'rd done with the first book and most of the 2nd's storyline and arcs planned out.

[Anonymous No.18798178]

>>18798174
Don't worry about the word count and shit. I mean Illusion: The Blacklight Chronicles was on Royal Road before being removed and it was novel like.

[Anonymous No.18798184]

>>18798174
Pretty much what that other anon said. There’s plenty of novel published on royal road, that don’t go like indefinitely. Just interact with the user base on royal road, if not, buy some ads for like twenty dollars to get your story known.

[Anonymous No.18798190]

>>18798147
Thank you very much, I'll be putting these names on my buy list.

[Anonymous No.18798201]

>>18798174
>I'm already at around 150k words and 2/3'rd done with the first book and most of the 2nd's storyline and arcs planned out.
Nice, so you have a backlog for when you start. I’ll spend time editing the first book if I were you. If only to entice more readers.

[Anonymous No.18798215]

>>18798174
Also, if You plan on publishing on Amazon, don't be one of those fags that take down their stories on Royal Road. It kills any advertisement you would otherwise have.

[Anonymous No.18798217]

>>18798201
Yeah. An editor and beta readers are something I'll definitely need if I ever get to the point where I'm confidant enough. Even if nothing comes from this I can still say I'm enjoying this writing lark.

[Anonymous No.18798224]

>>18798215
Amazon are now forcing them too. You can't publish on K.U. if your content is freely available elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.18798225]

>>18798215
FYI, kindle unlimited (or something) requires web novel versions to be taken down for copyright reasons. I know some RR authors who had to seek alternative forms of self-publishing to avoid this restriction, but others just suck it up since it's the most profitable way for them.

[Anonymous No.18798227]

>>18798217
That’s good to hear. You’ll have a leg up with the other competition. Hope it works out for you.

[Anonymous No.18798231]

>>18798224
>>18798225
I've seen stories on Royal Road that are published on Amazon that aren't taken down.

[Anonymous No.18798232]

>>18798174
That's awesome anon. Would love to read a passage if you'd be comfortable posting it here. I would consider Patreon for self-publishing if I were you. It's what Bakker would use if he wasn't a stubborn fool.

[Anonymous No.18798242]

>>18798231
I believe it's a recent-ish change to their requirements. It's not applied to works that were published before they added that restriction.

[Anonymous No.18798243]

>>18798242
When was this changed applied?

[Anonymous No.18798248]

>>18798242
I still think it’s a dumb idea to take it down. Look at the author of Worm. Guy gets a shit ton of money via patreon alone.

[Anonymous No.18798255]

>>18798242
>Actually know a story that got picked up by a small publishing company and is still allowed to keep up their story
The fuck is going on?

[Anonymous No.18798273]

>>18798178
There’s plenty more of them. You just have to find them.

[Anonymous No.18798286]

>>18798255
It's if you self pushing on Amazon.

> Exclusivity. When you include a Digital Book in KDP Select, you give us the exclusive right to sell and distribute your Digital Book in digital format while your book is in KDP Select. During this period of exclusivity, you cannot sell or distribute, or give anyone else the right to sell or distribute, your Digital Book (or a book that is substantially similar), in digital format in any territory where you have rights.

[Anonymous No.18798292]

>>18798286
So once the exclusivity is over, they're allowed to post their stories online again?

[Anonymous No.18798298]

>>18798292
Sure but then you're no longer eligible for all that sweet Kindle Unlimited monies.

[Anonymous No.18798304]

>>18798298
I've seen stories that were well known on Royal Road have poor sales on Amazon, I genuinely think self publishing on Amazon is more of a hinderance.

[Anonymous No.18798306]

>>18798304
I think it has more to do with the retarded pricing. Some of them aren’t worth the cost and those that are, I have no will to buy since they were free.

[Anonymous No.18798311]

>>18798306
Kindle Unlimited books are free.

[Anonymous No.18798327]

>>18798311
If you have unlimited to begin with.

[Anonymous No.18798330]

>>18798243
I've only seen RR authors who have published in the last 4-6 months or so who have started to remove their content. Maybe the Amazon rules haven't changed but the fact Amazon are being more strict in enforcing them since more RR authors have been publishing there.

[Anonymous No.18798334]

>>18798330
Which I think it’s dumb. They’ll earn more via patreon.

[Anonymous No.18798337]

>>18798330
The stories I'm talking about are a year old, maybe older.

[Anonymous No.18798341]

>>18798337
They’re most likely grandfathered in.

[Anonymous No.18798362]

>>18798174
When you do, post a link here.

[Anonymous No.18798368]

>>18798362
Wouldn't that be against the rules?

[Anonymous No.18798377]

>>18798368
No it wouldn't. Many people have posted their royal road pages before.

[Anonymous No.18798385]

>>18792287
>Inheritors of Eschaton
Didn’t like it either. Never got the story.

[Anonymous No.18798391]

>>18798224
Does it have to do with that Vella bullshit I've been hearing about?

[Anonymous No.18798396]

>>18798391
>Vella
Never will succeed. The way it works is way too fucking retarded. Not even normies will fall for it.

[Anonymous No.18798400]

>>18798391
I would not be surprised if it was. Vella looks to be Amazon's alternative to RR and other webnovel sites.

[Anonymous No.18798401]

>>18798400
Isn’t the major problem with Vella is that you have to pay?

[Anonymous No.18798406]

>>18798400
>Vella looks to be Amazon's alternative to RR and other webnovel sites.
What are the chances of it actually replacing them?

[Anonymous No.18798412]

New thread
>>18798410

[Anonymous No.18798630]

>>18798155
I think he meant his books is written to be a novel, and while many people from RR self-publish on Kindle Unlimited, their stories are generally written to be posted in chunks, have cliff hangers near the end of the chapters, establish and resolve plot points within one chapter, etc.

[Anonymous No.18798638]

>>18798377
Was there anything worth recommending?
>>18798224
Just don't go the Kindle Unlimited road and actually sell your book there for however much you want.