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oh, hi /lit/

does anyone know any good secondary literature on Freud? to be specific- on his theory of psychosexual development.

in a conversation like this, usually Scientific critique and Feminist critique is brought up, but I'm looking for somthing special.

any help would be much appreciated.

>> No.1877374

Most of what Freud wrote is bullshit.

>> No.1877376

>>1877374
Freud may be the original but, most of his theories are outdated. Your better off reading something more current.It would be a bad idea to take a step backwards by reading his garbage. It wasn't garbage when he first came up with his ideas but it is now.

>> No.1877378

>>1877374
So is 99% of non-fiction, doesn't make it any less interesting.

>> No.1877377

>>1877374
Key word: most.

Psychosexual theory is a crock, but psychoanalysis is very useful in some contexts and is still employed today.

>> No.1877379

>>1877376

nobody cares gb2 /sci/

>> No.1877384

>>1877377
>>1877376

OP here.
I'm fully aware someone might call Freud out dated and, in many aspects, they would be true. which is why i'm looking for something "more current". what is it? I could really use some assistence.

>> No.1877388

>>1877384
For psychosexual? Nothing. It's been completely abandoned by mainstream psychology. Psychoanalysis is mainly used in treatment of certain psychopathologies, but it's almost never used in a theoretical/explanatory sense for any major portion of psychology.

Behaviorism is still "up to date"(it's falling out of popularity when not paired with cognitive) but is also a classic theory.

>> No.1877403

>>1877384
>I'm fully aware someone might call Freud out dated and, in many aspects, they would be true.
Freud isn't outdated we've simply gotten to the point where we know most of it is bullshit, like let's say astrology or phrenology.

>> No.1877407

>>1877388

ok, i see. thanks. I'm doing a paper on the importance of childhood sexuality in th making of a man. maybe you can give me some direction where to look. what about " boyhood studies " ?

>> No.1877410

>>1877407
Freud's latency period is a good place to start.

>> No.1877416

>>1877410

I know- Oedipal conflict and the acceptance of gender role. but what about modren views on this?

>> No.1877432

>>1877407
The closest thing to "childhood sexuality" in modern psychological theory would probably be gender identity. If you're looking for, like, one theorist who dominates the field on it, you're barking up the wrong tree. Psychology doesn't really work that way anymore.

I honestly suggest getting access to a child psychology textbook and going from there. I still say the only thing you're going to find is gender identity, which can begin before a child is even a year old.

>> No.1877436

lol freud

>> No.1877454

>>1877436
fascinating post, pretty cool point you've made here

>> No.1877459

>>1877454
pretty cool sarcasm you did there, very original

>> No.1877460

>>1877459
pretty cool reference to my post you did there, very enjoyable

>> No.1877462

>>1877454
>>1877459
>>1877460
samefags. samefags everywhere.

>> No.1877464

>>1877462
pretty cool accusation of samefagging you got there, very untrue

>> No.1877470

this is a pretty cool thread, very good

>> No.1877508

>implying Freud didn't plagiarised a lot of Nietzsche ideas without ever mentionning him.

>> No.1877513

>>1877508
>didn't plagiarized
>plagiarized

It's true, though. This is why Freud and Lacan would have been best friends, and why Lacan jerked off daily to Freud. Same kind of intellectual thievery.

>> No.1877523

FREUD'S PHILOSOPHY WASN'T SCIENCE

THEREFORE HE IS

A

STUPIDHEAD

>> No.1877533

>>1877513
Or because Freud was just taking ideas from literature (Shakespeare, Sophocles, Dostoevsky) and turning them into a sort of analytic philosophy.

>> No.1877549

>>1877523
Freud's philosophy was also garbage from a philosophical standpoint. So I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

>> No.1877567

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-psychoanalysis

>> No.1877620

>>1877549
yeah well deep & edgy put him on the top-tier of his philosophy chart

u jelly u mad

>> No.1877627

>>1877620
Glad to see I made the right choice in dismissing him, then. Freud can remain the figure of fanboy worship for autistic males with superiority complexes.

>> No.1877634

Well OP, you could dig stuff up about anthropologic discoveries reforming the Oedipus Complex - it has been found that (I know, it might sounds obvious) that parental figures are more important (is it an uncle, an older brother, a neighboor) in the Complex. Not the father necessarily or the mother.

We can then conclude that the genetic factors (concerning the parental influences in the Oedipus Complex) might be less important. Your dad and your mom, in the latent age, are more important than your conceivers.

>> No.1877657

>>1877634

great suggestion. thanks. might help.

>> No.1877671

OP, I know a lot of people in this thread are calling out Freud to be bullshit, and I'm not saying he is or he isn't, but make sure you read some of his works before making that call yourself. I don't really have much to recommend you, but Civilization and its Discontents might be a place to start, if you haven't read it already.

>> No.1877706

Freud and Psychoanalysis by CG Jung
Contains most of Jungs published writings on Freud

>> No.1877876

any other ideas?

>> No.1877890

>>1877620
Yeah, because D&E is a huge dick, so the whole ubermensch thing is probably a huge ego wank for him.

>> No.1877902

>>1877890
>Yeah, because D&E is a huge dick
>thread about psychoanalysis
>associating me or equating me with large penises (authority/pater familias)

sometimes an insult is just a veiled admission of oedipal anxiety

careful or I'll chop it off son

>> No.1877919

>>1877902
good use of commas, faggot

>> No.1877935

>>1877919
I didn't use any commas to begin with so it makes no sense to say their use was good.

>> No.1877942

>>1877902
I'm a little surprised you took that as an insult. I figured you'd just acknowledge the fact that you're an asshole, and tell me to deal with it.

Guess I struck a nerve.

>> No.1877948

>>1877902

D&E, maybe you can give me some advice on the topic. seems like you have genuine knowledge in all kinds of fields.

>> No.1877950

>>1877942
>I'm a little surprised you took that as an insult.
I didn't take it as an insult

something can be an insult, can be intended as an insult, but doesn't necessary have to be taken as an insult or insulting

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1877957

>Freud said every human action is either to achieve sexual gratification or a feeling of greatness
>Read about Freud's life
>Apparently was so confident in his psychoanalysis that he claimed to have cured patients before even finishing their treatment
>Freud was actually just an arrogant asshole
>mfw he thinks everyone is a self-absorbed asshole just because he was.

>> No.1877966

>>1877950
meh, I called you a dick, you made a clever retort relating to penis envy. I think that's about where it ends, I find you obnoxious, but my emotional investment in the statement is relatively meager... and from what I've seen of you, your emotional investment in what other people have to say is non-existent.

So I don't think there is any more to be gained from this line of communication, although I did get a chuckle from your retort.

Good day sir.

>> No.1878143

not giving up on you, /lit/

>> No.1878355
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1878355

le bump

>> No.1878372

>>1877957

And judging by the picture you just seem to be *absorbed*.

>> No.1878378

Interpretation of Dreams is really cool. It has a really straightforward style and the guy was pretty humble for a cocaine addict. For current psychoanalysis you would have to read Lacan, who is obscure and anti-intuitive and full of himself like most of the 20th century french fuckers but Foucault, who was a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.

>> No.1879318

quest for clearity continiues