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18763294 No.18763294 [Reply] [Original]

>words that rhymed when the poem was written don't rhyme anymore

>> No.18763308

>the great man down, you mark his favorite flies
>the poor advanced makes friends of enemies
Do you just pronounce flies as fleas?

>> No.18763314

>>18763308
No, you pronounce enemies as enem-i-s

>> No.18763330

>>18763308
It's because "fly" used to have the same vowel as "enemy"; the Great Vowel Shift made that vowel change quality except in an unstressed, word-final position, where it remained as it was. You can see the same thing in To His Coy Mistress:
>And yonder all before us lye
>Desarts of vast Eternity.
And again from the same poem:
>My ecchoing Song: then Worms shall try
>That long preserv'd Virginity:
Or another spoiled rhyme from that poem due to the irregular unrounding of a vowel:
>Of Humber would complain. I would
>Love you ten years before the Flood:
Though that last one still rhymes in Northern England.

>> No.18763338

>>18763294
>anyways
>dived instead of dove, etc

>> No.18763341

>>18763338
Dived is the older form, "dove" cane about by analogy with verbs like drive-drove and write-wrote.

>> No.18763347

>>18763341
Writed and drived sound pretty funny

>> No.18763353

Thomas is actually pronounced Tomas

>> No.18763358

>>18763330
>hough that last one still rhymes in Northern England
That accent severely trips me up, the uh>oo thing stands out so much

>> No.18763362

>>18763341
*came about

>>18763347
Well yes, because those verbs have always been "strong verbs" (verbs that form their past tense by changing the root vowel), whereas "dive" was originally a "weak verb" (meaning it forms its past tense by adding -ed).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_strong_verb

>> No.18763364

when people post frogs.

>> No.18763371
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>>18763364

>> No.18763452

>>18763330
>Though that last one still rhymes in Northern England
wait, so how is it pronounced elsewhere that it doesn't rhyme?

>> No.18763457

>>18763452
Would makes an ü sound, flood makes an oh sound

>> No.18763477

>>18763452
https://voca.ro/11TEFia9qHRF

>> No.18763483

>>18763477
>>18763457
thank