/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18737486]

>lower case "i"
>"problematic", "bigot", "xhe", "latinx", "cis-gender"
>"y'all", "trynna", [caveman speech like "she bad" or "he cute"]
why are zoomerisms so pathetic? why is the quality of the English language so bad these days?

[Anonymous No.18737500]

what are you talking about grouping the lower case i with all this shit? it doesnt belong.

[Anonymous No.18737506]

>>18737486
>folks
>folx
>enby
>xican@
>bodies
>Black
>Black bodies

[Anonymous No.18737511]

>>18737486
More like why do you care? I doubt they give a single iota of thought to you while you spend your day obsessed with them.

[Anonymous No.18737513]

>>18737486
he mad

[Anonymous No.18737524]

>>18737486
You don't know the least of it if that's what you're pulling out. No finna? No ballin? Bussin? Touch some grass and meet some real Zoomers, gramps. Maybe then you'll learn how we speak. Word

[Anonymous No.18737540]

>>18737500
It's part of the twitter faggot style and of zoomers.

[Anonymous No.18737544]

>>18737500
Yes it does you lower case fag

[Anonymous No.18737548]

>>18737511
>observation is obsession
I bet you're the kind of zoomie who uses "stop hating" when you are even slightly criticized.

[Anonymous No.18737551]

>>18737540
zoomers use phones that autocapitalize

[Anonymous No.18737554]

He cute

[Anonymous No.18737562]

>>18737486
neoliberal capitalism and the need for efficiency

[Anonymous No.18737566]

>>18737554
He is cute*

[Anonymous No.18737571]

>>18737551
They consciously change it to lower case in order to be hip and "selfless" because apparently the upper case "I" has too much ego and seems too formal.

[Anonymous No.18737578]

>>18737571
Evidence?

[Anonymous No.18737634]

>>18737548
No, I just hate you faggots for shitting up the board with your petty grievances.

[Anonymous No.18737652]

>>18737634
>petty
concerns about the English language are petty?

[Anonymous No.18737672]

>>18737506
Bodies and Folks has been fucking ruined for me. I fully admit that I get triggered by these fucking words now
>XYZ BODIES
>ABC FOLKS!
>YALL FOLKS
>DEEZ FOLKZ
Fucking hell

[Anonymous No.18737678]

>>18737652
Concerns about teenage slang are very petty, yes. Old people have been bitching about it since the dawn of mankind. You think the average Roman pleb spoke Classical Latin with the correct grammar and syntax?

[Anonymous No.18737679]

>>18737571
I think people just don't care to click shift to type an uppercase 'I', you're thinking too much into it.

[Anonymous No.18737685]

>>18737506
Warm body NPCs biopolitical clientele for the DNC. Shitlibs and the lgbthivaids community and blacks/latins that got completely buckbroken

[Anonymous No.18737692]

>>18737678
Not all zoomies are teenagers. Many adults write like this as well.

[Anonymous No.18737751]

>>18737678
At the very least, discussing what is causing language to change can be interesting, no?

[Anonymous No.18737792]

>>18737566
They is cute*

[Anonymous No.18737820]

>>18737792
Was penny really trans? There you go.

[Anonymous No.18737827]

>>18737678
>The yovng generation is merging the genitive case with the dative. The Empire is trvly headed for destrvction!

[Anonymous No.18737837]

>>18737506
>volks
damn I didn't know zoomers are reviving Germanic traditions of English and using "folks" instead of retarded "people" which is derivedr from Fr*nch. based zoomers

[Anonymous No.18737845]

>>18737837
It's a southern usa thing which has migrated to new england via blacks

[Anonymous No.18737853]

>>18737837
folk would be the German word. folks is a woke Americanism from Nigger English (which somes from Southern English.)

[Anonymous No.18737880]

>>18737837
Folks Wagon when?

[Anonymous No.18737924]

>>18737486
>latinx
Pathetic

Yo onions Hispanoamericano, no latino, ni "latinx".

[Anonymous No.18737963]

>>18737486
Imitation of niggers, what else? You set up a society that worships niggers in all things and then you expect the new generations to turn out normal?

[Anonymous No.18737965]

>>18737678
>You think the average Roman pleb spoke Classical Latin with the correct grammar and syntax?

Young, adults and olds didn't spoke correct classical latin. Only patricians. Seek for a better example.
The core of this issue is the fact that people knew how to speak in a more refined manenr when it was necessary and they also knew how to writ properly. However, nowadays, not only zoomers speak horribly, but also an important portion of adults. And what is most concerning is that they can not speak properly when needed, nor write. Therefore, the language is decreasing. People don't respect their own language and that is not only a proof of linguistical change (a natural process, like the formation of romance languages) but a decrease in the vigour of the language itself.
It's not like we have a whole differente language for the elite and the intelectual class (like in fact happen'd in Rome) but the same language is used by the whole native population, but only a minimum part of it can speak it properly.

[Anonymous No.18737977]

>>18737924
>onions
>I can't write the verb "to be"
>Americans really destroy everything they touch

[Anonymous No.18737986]

>>18737924
>Yo onions Hispanoamericano, no latino, ni "latinx".
autocorrectivo basado

[Anonymous No.18738104]

>>18737965
>what is most concerning is that they can not speak properly when needed, nor write. Therefore, the language is decreasing.
What evidence do you have that zoomers CAN'T speak or write properly when needed? They all go to school and have to write longform essays in formal English, just like everyone else. Compared to previous generations they actually spend much more of their free time reading text and articles for entertainment; I'd hazard a guess that zoomers and millennials read much more than any previous generation in history, at least in terms of sheer volume.
Furthermore, what about slang or zoomerisms do you perceive as actually detracting from the language? I don't know of any evidence that they have smaller vocabularies in absolute terms. Objectively speaking, the language isn't deteriorated by the invention of "bussin" to mean "very good" as it's just an additional word that refers to an existing idea. Even if we lost the word "good" entirely, and it were completely replaced by "bussin," the language wouldn't be any worse off. Zoomers don't have any reduced capacity to discuss the same ideas compared to anyone else, and they haven't done away with any necessary parts of speech that reduce specificity in any context. If anything, the introduction of new words that refer to more complex or subtle cultural ideas as a linguistic shorthand makes the language more efficient.

[Anonymous No.18738114]

The only thing that really gets to me is that very few people seem to know the difference between "to" and "too".

[Anonymous No.18738132]

>>18737678
When the aristocracy speaks the same vulgar language as the plebs then there is a problem.

[Anonymous No.18738168]

>>18737924
>Yo onions Hispanoamericano

[Anonymous No.18738184]

>>18738104
>speaking like a nigger is actually a good thing
absolute state of amerilards

[Anonymous No.18738207]

>>18737562
That's a stretch

>>18737751
Yes, but not here

>>18737486
>>18737506
Some of these are just words

[Anonymous No.18738208]

>>18737486
Nigger music is popular and also the most niggerfied and spic generation is the youngest thanks to the fact that White people aren’t having kids

[Anonymous No.18738231]

>dead ass

[Anonymous No.18738243]

>>18737540
Dont lump us all in with Twitter

[Anonymous No.18738248]

>>18737571
I've never seen this and I'm online all fucking day

[Anonymous No.18738252]

>>18737924
Based Jannies btfoing spics with word filters

[Anonymous No.18738299]

>>18738104
I saw some statistics recently that said only about a third of high school seniors can read at or above their grade level. Can't find it again unfortunately, but I do believe the numbers the indicate the American youth cannot read or write competently. It's hard to find any details now because all I find are garbage articles about racial discrimination in education.

[Anonymous No.18738324]

>>18738104
>I'd hazard a guess that zoomers and millennials read much more than any previous generation in history, at least in terms of sheer volume

Exactly my point. They are probably the most well read generation of history but they can't express themselves in a proper way. Why do you reckon memes are so massive? And I'm not speaking about reaction images, I'm talking about simple phrases that try to convey only emotions, but no ideas or thoughts what so ever. Furthermore, they prefer to speak with pre-assembled catch phrases that "express their current emotions" instead of trying to elaborate a coherent speech with the volume of words they know as natives and as well "cultured" generation.
The only "formal" way they can express themselves is in "college essay rigmarole". And that, anon, is not a proper way to use a language.
A great proportions of zoomers can't have a real conversation with a proper use of English. Sure, they can be smart and understand the topic and follow up, but I assure you, most of them can't find words that English has for a certain concept, idea, feeling, emotion or article of reality. It's not about changing the word "good" with "bussin", is about the capacity to have a dominion over your native language.

Instead, they conceptualize languages as part of their identitys (in part is true), but language is not identity, is a tool to communicate and to objectify your thoughts in the world.

>If anything, the introduction of new words that refer to more complex or subtle cultural ideas as a linguistic shorthand makes the language more efficient
That's exactly my point! But zoomers aren't doing this exclusively. Sure, they can have slang or new words for new concepts or realities. But the use of language as an ideological object, to portray "identity", "sex", "gender" and the whole catalog of postmodern shit is not helping the language, quite the contrary

[Anonymous No.18738339]

>>18738299
Doing some quick searching on my own, I found articles from 10+ years ago saying very similar stuff.

[Anonymous No.18738376]

>>18737963
>>18738184
>>18738208

[Anonymous No.18738475]

>>18738324
>simple phrases that try to convey only emotions, but no ideas or thoughts what so ever. Furthermore, they prefer to speak with pre-assembled catch phrases that "express their current emotions" instead of trying to elaborate a coherent speech with the volume of words they know
>A great proportions of zoomers can't have a real conversation with a proper use of English. Sure, they can be smart and understand the topic and follow up, but I assure you, most of them can't find words that English has for a certain concept, idea, feeling, emotion or article of reality.
I don't deny any of this, but in my experience it's also true of most humans generally. Most people are not very intelligent and don't put much stock into speaking eloquently or with determination. They also don't have much they need to communicate in the first place since most people's primary concerns in adult life revolve around work, sex, their hobbies, and consuming entertainment media. Only a small percentage of people have ever been interested in philosophy, high art, and literature. There's a boomer dive bar in my town that I sometimes hang out in while my clothes are at the laundromat next door, and I will assure you, the level of conversation in there doesn't rise to your standard, neither in content nor linguistically. I believe that zoomers just take the brunt of this critique because their use of odd slang is more immediately noticeable and jarring. They're also young kids and you have to factor immaturity and inexperience into the equation. We can really only wonder at how previous generations sounded when they were kids, unless you're old enough to remember. But I find that most actually-old people seem to take more issue with ebonic slang versions of regular words like I mentioned in my previous post, rather than making any more meaningful critiques about the intellectual content or linguistic dominion that you're referring to.

>But the use of language as an ideological object, to portray "identity", "sex", "gender" and the whole catalog of postmodern shit is not helping the language, quite the contrary
Fully agree, but I find this to be slightly tangential. I would also note that I don't really blame zoomers for coming up with that stuff, it originates with boomer and Xer Marxist professors after all

[Anonymous No.18738482]

>>18738376
This meme belongs in a museum at this point

[Anonymous No.18738515]

>>18737511
you lame

[Anonymous No.18738568]

>>18738104
And even with all of that “going for them”, they are still desecrating the language. Kek

[Anonymous No.18738592]

>>18737571
lol what? Fucking old people.

[Anonymous No.18738600]

>>18738592
Begone zoomie.

[Anonymous No.18738653]

they use lower case "i" because they came of age alongside the iPod and iPhone and have been entirely consumed by the unconscious idea that the I is a secondary and subsidiary component to an electronic consumer good. social media, which they also were raised in, reinforces this. they type that because they literally cannot separate the I from the phone without truncating it.

[Anonymous No.18738696]

>>18738653
Nice armchair psychology, Freud

[Anonymous No.18738721]

>>18737678
>You think the average Roman pleb spoke Classical Latin with the correct grammar and syntax?
And look what happened to Rome

>>18737486
This would 100% be LARP-ish if I did it, but I've fantasized about learning a "prestigious language" like Latin, Greek, French, or Modern Standard Arabic and then writing stuff in it. It would give my writing a sense of grandeur which English lacks.

[Anonymous No.18738730]

>>18738653
they are not sophisticated enough to think like this. nigger zoomies use "i" because they're faggots who want to sound "laid back" and "casual" and use lower case.

[Anonymous No.18738755]

>>18738721
Why not just do it? Lots of authors have written in Latin, for example, even if it was already "dead" at that point. It's only LARP-y if you do it half-heartedly or ironically.

[Anonymous No.18738759]

Not OP but lowercase retards deserve to be grouped with Twitter zoomers because they suffer of the same mental disease: coveted narcissism and lack of respect for high culture.

[Anonymous No.18738764]

>>18738721
>implying that the collapse of Rome was because its underclass didn't use proper grammar
autism

[Anonymous No.18738773]

zoomerific

[Anonymous No.18738778]

>>18738764
Not him but decline is generalized in a dying civilization. It happens in art, economy, culture, language, etc. And yes, zoomiespeak is a sign of decline.

[Anonymous No.18738794]

>>18738475
there are people who cope with the fact that they'll never be in a meaningful relationship with another human being in more productive ways than being an elitist jackass on this shitty fucking imageboard

[Anonymous No.18738805]

Zoomie tears ITT

[Anonymous No.18738808]

>>18738794
Are you a woman?

[Anonymous No.18738822]

>>18738764
I unironically believe this. Certainly, slang and the like has its place, and I admit I freely use it, all the time. But a culture that is not autistic about its language is a decaying one. A vibrant culture is one which is suspicious of neologisms and purges loan-words (which are far worse) as much as possible, at least in a written context. It is why I consider the French and Turkish cultures to be the most healthy of the European ones. They are strict in this.

[Anonymous No.18738833]

>>18738808
Yes. I am in fact a woman.

[Anonymous No.18738840]

>>18738822
Do you have any proof of this?

[Anonymous No.18738868]

>>18738840
No, it's just how I feel. But then again, I don't see how I can be wrong. Institutions like the Académie Française and Turkish Language Association prevent their languages from being overrun with English loanwords. They preserve their languages, and thus the culture of their countries. Compare that to India, where Hindi is at times a glorified English creole.

[Anonymous No.18738891]

>>18738833
It shows.

[Anonymous No.18738973]

>>18738822
>Turkish
Didn't it go through a Cultural Revolution-tier event where it purged a shit ton of words and replaced them with loaned French ones? Lmfao.

[Anonymous No.18739089]

>>18738822
>French culture
>Not decaying

[Anonymous No.18739100]

>>18738868
Collapse is engendered by faults in political economic and cultural systems. Words are a symbol of cultural uniformity at most, one among many such factors, and it seems pretty fallacious to me to generalize from zoomers having wacky new words to the decay of the US.

[Anonymous No.18739173]

>>18738973
No, it purged Persian and Arab loanwords and replaced them with Turkish ones. Something I approve of.

>>18739089
They look enough to me

[Anonymous No.18739298]

>>18739100
Language affects how you think. If you use nigger words and grammar, you think like a nigger. So yes, zoomiespeak perfectly reflects cultural decline in the US.

[Anonymous No.18739430]

>>18739298
I think in terms of sneed

[Anonymous No.18739445]

>>18737571
i consciously un-autocorrect my phone so that it's lower case because i think its fun

[Anonymous No.18739455]

I don't get how out of an effort of exclusivity they settled on latinx instead latin@. Especially silly because they pronounce it "latin-ex" and not "la-teen-ex". They don't even try to think about the people they're supposedly representing.

[Anonymous No.18739460]

>>18739455
*inclusivity fuck