/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18688507]

The stoics were fucking psychopaths holy shit

[Anonymous No.18688512]

>not /lit/
>frog
>"holy shit!!!!"
fuck off zoomzoom

[Anonymous No.18688519]

>>18688512
What's wrong with frogs, ma'am?

[Anonymous No.18688532]

>>18688519
you can delete your threads any time on /lit/

[Anonymous No.18688543]

>>18688532
But you can't regrow a penis, that's a simple fact.

[Anonymous No.18688562]

stoics are right about everything.

[Anonymous No.18688575]

>>18688507
All mystics worth paying attention to say wild shit. If they try to make their extremism palatable then they aren't worth listening to.

[Anonymous No.18688600]

>>18688519
Whats wrong with frogs?
people who post frogs are faggots just look at your OP image name.
You people are just newfags or eternal newfags and do nothing but make the space even worse.

You contribute NOTHING but reposting normalfag memes.
fuck off loser

[Anonymous No.18688640]

>>18688600
What's a newfag? I joined from Reddit last week, I don't know all the cool insider lingo yet.

[Anonymous No.18689072]

>>18688519
based frogposter.

[Anonymous No.18689596]

>>18688507
>epictetus saying you shouldn't get attached to your wife and kids because they're replaceable
>chrysippus defending incest and cannibalism
Anything I miss?

[Anonymous No.18689643]

>>18688507
No they weren't. The whole philosophy can basically be condensed to "bitch, be cool." Just chill, man.

[Anonymous No.18689671]

>>18689643
>reductio ab absurdum
The refuge of any brainlet

[Anonymous No.18689690]

>>18689596
>epictetus saying you shouldn't get attached to your wife and kids because they're replaceable
you misrepresent him. and obviously haven't read him. there is a whole section where he consoles his fgriends ov er the loss of a child.

[Anonymous No.18689708]

>>18689596
You must have read the wrong translation. The Stoics, at least in ethics, are about not taking shit for granted or assuming permanence, hence
>Has your wife died? She is restored [to the gods]. Has your child died? He is restored [to the gods].

and the bit about not actually owning anything, since life is temporary, but keeping things in trust for God or the gods or whomever.

[Anonymous No.18689724]

>>18688507
yeah. ancient greece was pretty much a bunch of guys who programmatically enforced their worst character flaw and called it philosophy.

[Anonymous No.18689726]

>>18689643
>Just chill, man.
Of which philosophy is this the condensate?

[Anonymous No.18689933]

>>18688600
Leave him alone

[Anonymous No.18690166]

>>18689671
You literally have no idea what reductio ad absurdum means lmao

[Anonymous No.18690256]

section of epictetus discourses 3.1 Of personal adornment

>Are you a man or a woman? - A man. - Very well then, adorn a man, not a woman. Woman is born smooth and dainty by nature, and if she is very hairy she is a prodigy, and is exhibited at Rome among the prodigies. But for a man not to be hairy is the same thing, and if by nature he has no hair he is a prodigy, but if he cuts it out and plucks it out of himself, what shall we make of him? Where shall we exhibit him and what notice shall we post? "I will show you," we say to the audience, "a man who wishes to be a woman rather than a man." What a dreadful spectacle! No one but will be amazed at the notice; by Zeus, I fancy that even the men who pluck out their own hairs do what they do without realizing what it means. Man, what reason have you to complain against your nature? Because it brought you into the world as a man? What then? Ought it to have brought all persons into the world as women?

>Your paltry body doesn't please you, eh? Make a clean sweep of the whole matter; eradicate your - what shall I call it? - the cause of your hairiness; make yourself a woman all over, so as not to deceive us, not half-man and half-woman. Whom do you wish to please? Frail womankind? Please them as a man. "Yes, but they like smooth men." Oh, go hang! And if they liked sexual perverts, would you become such a pervert? Is this your business in life, is this what you were born for, that licentious women should take pleasure in you? Shall we make a man like you a citizen of Corinth, and perchance a warden of the city, or superintendent of ephebi, or general, or superintendent of the games? Well, and when you have married are you going to pluck out your hairs? For whom and to what end? And when you have begotten boys, are you going to introduce them into the body of citizens as plucked creatures too? A fine citizen and senator and orator! Is this the kind of young men we ought to pray to have born and brought up to us?

[Anonymous No.18690391]

>>18689690
>there is a whole section where he consoles his fgriends ov er the loss of a child.
He also tells you that while you should express sympathy for uninstructed people, you should also take care that the appearance of sympathy does not bring with it any actual emotional distress on your part. You're supposed to be putting on a show to make your friend feel better, in the same way you'd console a child who lost a favorite toy, while recognizing yourself that the loss of the toy, or the friend's child, are not things that one should actually be upset over.

[Anonymous No.18690447]

>>18690391
>You're supposed to be putting on a show to make your friend feel better, in the same way you'd console a child who lost a favorite toy, while recognizing yourself that the loss of the toy, or the friend's child, are not things that one should actually be upset over.
This is literally me. Should I read the stoics? Will it make me feel better about my sociopathic tendencies?

[Anonymous No.18691080]

>>18690447
>Should I read the stoics?
Everyone should read the Stoics.
>Will it make me feel better about my sociopathic tendencies?
It will probably help give you a positive outlet for them. And if you decide to seriously practice Stoicism, you'll have a head start on people who have to do a lot of work to get over socially constructed ideas of sympathetic suffering. If you think about it, the really fucked up thing isn't being detached from the suffering of others, but demanding that others suffer along with you when you're suffering.

[Anonymous No.18691092]

Stoicism is interesting, but the Skeptics are my homeboys.
Read the Stoics, then pick up Sextus Empiricus.

[Anonymous No.18691128]

>>18688543
kek

[Anonymous No.18691142]

>>18688507
Diogenes Laertius' essay on Demonax is one of the funniest things I ever read.

[Anonymous No.18691151]

>>18691142
link?

[Anonymous No.18691169]

>>18691142
yeah post it

[Anonymous No.18691184]

>>18688640
why is this an accurate portrait of me

[Anonymous No.18691193]

>>18691151
>>18691169

Laertius wrote about a lot of philosophers, a lot of them cynics so I'll recommend reading all of them. Demonax is very obscure even with the cynics and not a lot of people have written about him so there's not a lot of sources except Laertius either.

https://book4you.org/book/3676800/c64581

[Anonymous No.18691584]

>>18688507
Take a look at what others say about them: >>18691553

[Anonymous No.18691926]

>>18691193
thanks for delivering, anon

[Anonymous No.18692132]

>>18688640
L_R_ M__R