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Who is a good poet for beginners?

>> No.18676722

>>18676713
Goethe

>> No.18676735

Ezra Pound (The Cantos)

>> No.18676742

>>18676713
Geoffrey Chaucer, His bawdy tales will keep your attention.

>> No.18676778

>>18676713
Robert Frost aka Bobby 'Stone Cold Poet' Cold. He writes about cows and green trees and Murica.

>> No.18676783

>>18676722
Translated by?

>> No.18676808

>>18676783
Whoever is the best translator in your language (Anglo much?)

>> No.18676840

>>18676808
I think I can only read English.

>> No.18676845

>>18676783
I second this question

>> No.18676850

>>18676808
I second this answer

>> No.18676924

>>18676808
Its not our fault God speaks English and those who were raised on inferior languages are doomed to rot in hell

>> No.18676925

>>18676778
What if you're not a westerner? Would you still be able to understand him?

>> No.18676929

>>18676713
Rimbaud.
The closest one to your hometown

>> No.18676930

>>18676713
Homer

>> No.18676985

Fernando Pessoa

>> No.18676992

>>18676713
Gerard Manley Hopkins
Robert Frost

>> No.18677021

>>18676783
I recommend The Essential Goethe

>> No.18677163

Thanks for Recs. I made a list. I'll start with Frost and move on to others because they'll seem like big guns.

>> No.18677170

>>18676735
for beginners that know latin, greek, italian, french, russian, and chinese

>> No.18677182

>>18677163
frost is very good. he gets stereotyped as being trite and folksy, but there's a lot of depth (and darkness) if you're just reading through the collected poems.

>> No.18677216

>>18677182
Can a non-westerner read him?

>> No.18677307

>>18677216
i would imagine so, a lot of westerners will have to look up a lot of early 20th century farm terms too, so you won't be worse off.

>> No.18677324

>>18676713
Mary Oliver

>> No.18677344

>>18676783
>>18676845
Kaufmann

>> No.18677537

>>18676925
Yes.

>> No.18678381

>>18676808
>Anglo much?
What does this mean?

>> No.18678392

>>18676783
>>18676722
If you read a translation you're not reading Goethe

German is not even that hard for English speaker, get a dictionary

>> No.18678406

>>18676713
a poetry anthology - followed by looking into the specific works of poets you enjoyed

>> No.18678450

>>18678406
This is interesting. Any specific book/publisher?

>> No.18678462

>>18676985
almada negreiros was way more interesting than pessoa, but respectable choice.

>> No.18678870

>>18676713
If you've never read any poetry at all and are just starting out I would recommend Western Wind: An Introduction to poetry because it covers all the bases of what you're supposed to look for in a poem and has a collection of poems at the end as well so you get a guide-anthology duo in this book. You can then read the works of whichever poet you liked from the anthology.

>> No.18678876

>>18676713
Go to a bookstore (do they still exist?) and pick random (male haha) names off the poetry shelf until you find one that you like some of what you glance at.

>> No.18679024

>>18678462
>almada negreiros was way more interesting than pessoa
Why do you think so?
Don't give me the Concretism bullshit.

>> No.18679025

>>18678870
This. 100% this.

>> No.18679034

>>18676713
Buy a used british lit textbook
I got an anthology of 3 for like 15 bucks
They should have some good lit
Esp ww1 lit


I also like joy harjo but im a praire nigger

>> No.18679080

>>18678406
This is the only right answer in this thread.

>> No.18679476

>>18679034
>british lit textbook
Can you get them outside of UK?

>> No.18679715

>>18676930
Don't think I'm smart enough for that.

>> No.18680102

>>18676713
Hesiod

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18680165

>>18676713
Lord Byron

>> No.18680481

>>18679476
Ya they are just college books about british lit

I think I had the longman british 2A, 2B, and 2C

You can prolly find em on libbgen or fuckin uhhh
Idk
Zzzlibrary or w/e

>> No.18680829

>>18676713
Baudelaire

>> No.18681868

How do you guys even understand poems?

>> No.18681908

Are there any rules to poetry? Also, what what about grammar?

>> No.18682182

>>18679024
exploration of concepts and the way he displays his thoughts and what he wants to transmit to the reader is top notch, and how he goes from idea to idea effortlessly, creating a very visual image, until you're hit with a punch of very pure emotions that seems like it came out of nowhere.
don't get me wrong, I like pessoa, and he explores this side of poetry way better than negreiros, you read him and it's way easier to identify with it (if you don't consider the Alvaro de Campos futurist phase, which leans more towards negreiro's style).
another point in favor of negreiros for me is his free-form prose (like K4 quadrado azul, what a marvelous book)

>> No.18682481

>>18676713
Federico Garcia Lorca

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>>18676713
Pic and "How to Read Poetry Like a Professor." If you're smart or don't mind starting off with something more academic/dry, The Book of Forms is soild. (Use the Norton to find poets you like and then read the collection that the poem you liked was originally in...try to avoid "The Poetry of..." books because they're like Greatest Hits albums and you won't have context/nuance for the work as it was intended by the poet).

>> No.18683300

>>18676713
kavafis
>>18680829
also this

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18683425

>>18681868
Practice. Years of practice.
>>18681908
There are no rules, but rather guidelines and best practices. For example, Martin Amis says that to make beautiful sentences, you avoid repeating suffixes in the same sentence. Conception-reflection, dryness-baldness, etc. But this rule can be broken to create repetitive harmony. Here are some more guidelines.
--order any list of 3 (nouns, adjectives, verbs etc) from shortest to longest. Friends, Romans, Countrymen. Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti.
--Do not end every line on a caesura (period, comma, or semicolon). Otherwise the lines become predictable little ponies galloping toward the end stop.
--Rhyme is disposable but meter is not. I'm not saying you must rigidly follow iambs, but that you should always have a sense of the shape and inflection of your sentences. Poetry is as rhythmic as music, and as improvisational. Many a bad poet either fails to establish rhythm or follows blindly the established rhythms.
--Serious writing begins at age 25 according to the Jew-baiting Eliot. The reason he says that is because everyone starts writing juvenilia and doesn't stop until life has mellowed them out. Rimbaud is an exception but you are not Rimbaud.

>> No.18684172

>>18678381
He's pretending he isn't a monolingual to impress people on the internet. It's much like the manlet and dicklet psyops.