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>tfw ignored the start with the Mesopotamians meme
If you like the ancients and haven't read this, do yourself a favor and read it. If we hadn't lost so much of it and it was a bit longer, it could've been on par with Homer.

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18675435

>>18674902
Why did he do it, bros? Why did he left his gazelle bros?

>> No.18675452

>>18675435
To have sex

>> No.18675530

>>18674902
I did read it, in fact I own it

>> No.18675537

>tfw the first hero of world literature was a hard-dick chad

>> No.18675547

had to read it in college because we did indeed start with the mesopotamians

>> No.18675570
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18675570

Are the books on this chart good?

>> No.18676785

>>18675570
Yes. When you go for example for the Sumerians one book is enough. I'd go for their history, culture and character since it covers the myth as well. When I remember correctly this book was like written in the 60s

>> No.18676826

>>18675570
>Sumer a different category from Mesopotamia
>Gilgamesh is not Sumer

>> No.18676917

>>18676826
There are different versions of the gilgamesh epos. The most complete ones all belong to the post sumerian era. Why differentiate between Sumerians ans postsumerian Mesopotamia? Sumerian language isn't semitic but all successors of Sumerians were using semitic lanuages next to Sumerian which they used in the same fashion as we use latin today.

>> No.18676942

>>18676826
Sumerian Gilgamesh myths are contained in both of those books on Sumerian culture and myth.

>> No.18677740

>>18675435
Fell for the "have sex" meme, RIP.

>> No.18677861

>>18674902
That's a pretty generous assessment, but I agree that it's a good read.
>>18675435
For cunny. To be fair, he didn't know he'd lose his wizarding powers prior to the act.

>> No.18678437

>literally has the immortality herb
>loses it
>never attempts to find it or another one
What a fucking cuck. That goes down as one of the worst endings of all time for me.

>> No.18678705

Do yourself a favor and download this thesis https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=uk.bl.ethos.531016
It's free but you have to make an account.

The thesis is about Iraqi folk songs and it is the most heartening thing to read, also the PhD who wrote it is also an Iraqi folk singer if you search سعدي الحديثي on youtube you will find him singing the songs

DO IT!

>> No.18679264

>>18675435
Same reason Adam fell for Eve's dumb shit

>> No.18679269

>>18675435
Damn they surely mogged gr*eks with those lit as fuck haircuts

>> No.18679360

>>18679269
>Mullets
>lit as fuck
Please make this a thing

>> No.18680411

>>18678705
Not making an account buddy

>> No.18681625

>>18678705
Links something first that isn't behind making an account first

>> No.18681637

>>18674902
I don't read anything written by non-Indo-Europeans. redpill me on Mesopotamians, are they more related to Semites or Persians?

>> No.18681837

>>18681637
They are proto semites

>> No.18681878

>>18681637
>>18681837
Sumer had nothing to do with semites

>> No.18681889

>>18681878
He asked about Mesopotamiens not Sumerians

>> No.18681922

>>18681637
Clearly more related to semites

>> No.18681968

>>18681637
Caucasus.
Semites later swarmed to their cities as servants and overcame them, though they kept larping as them.

>> No.18681979

>>18681889
Replying to a thread on Gilgamesh which was created by Sumerians. If he wants to read the Epic of Gilgamesh, it has nothing to do with Semites or Persians aside from the fact that some translations are from Semites

>> No.18681989

>>18681878
Epic of Gilgamesh clearly still has something to do with semites, idiot. After all the tablets were found in the Akkadian language.

>> No.18681990

>>18681968
>Semites later swarmed to their cities as servants and overcame them, though they kept larping as them.
I heard this story before.

>> No.18681998

>>18681989
Yeah, and old testament is related to the Greeks because the first translation of it is in Greek

>> No.18682009

>>18681968
They wouldn’t have LARPed unless they felt some close connection to them (spiritual or ethnic) for some reason. Same thing with G*rms LARPing as gayreeks.

>> No.18682019

>>18682009
>they felt some close connection to them
Ok retard

>> No.18682022

>>18681979
Semites are successors of Sumerians and incorporated parts of their culture into their own. Stop trying to save this with shitty kvetching, moron

>> No.18682030

>>18682009
They larped as Sumerians because sumerian civilisation was superior to theirs as they were descended from desert nomads who sold themselves as servants in Sumerian cities.

>> No.18682031

>>18682022
Still the epic has nothing to with semites, it was written before they came. Anyway, you're all brain dead here so consider killing yourselves

>> No.18682032

>>18681998
I mean a section of the New Testament was probably written by an ethnic Greek (Luke).

>> No.18682042

>>18682032
The OT and NT are different books

>> No.18682048

>>18682031
That faggot asked what are mesopotamiens more like semites or persians. Then you went on your anti-semite crusade, fuck off nigger. Nobody said that semites influenced the epic more than sumerians

>> No.18682077

>>18682048
Ok /pol/tard

>> No.18682154

>>18681968
Akkadian is literally a semitic language

>> No.18682169

>>18681968
there's evidence for Akkadians living in Sumer since at least the 26 c. BC
when the Amorites invaded they were assimilating into a bilingual and biethnic population

>> No.18682183

>>18681998
>>18682031
absolutely retarded posts, the Gilgamesh poem was COMPOSED in Akkadian, drawing from older Akkadian and Sumerian texts
there's no solid evidence of an epic poem as such before the Standard Babylonian one, and even then the oldest model for the later unified poem is Old Babylonian

>> No.18682184

>>18682030
> coming from steppe niggers who LARPed as minoans

>> No.18682220

>>18681637
>I don't read anything written by non-Indo-Europeans

Just to be on the safe side though maybe you shouldn’t read at all since the script you’re using to read comes from Semitic Phoenicians so your mind is still getting indirectly poisoned by people who are not steppe niggers in origin. Not only that, but a true steppe nigger shouldn’t be reading in the first place. He should be in the steppe with his bros fucking horses.

>> No.18682224

>>18681637
Persians didn't exist then
Indo-Europeans were still illiterate retards riding around on horses

>> No.18682240

>>18682154
It's an invader language.
>>18682169
Doesn't change what I said.

>> No.18682247

>>18682220
>>18682184
>>18682184
Phoenician come from egyptian script through proto-sinaitic, it's not native either.
Btw since when seething Arabs are authorized to larp as jahiliyah, shouldn't you all whorship the black cube?

>> No.18682264

>>18682220
based advice. RETVRN to oral tradition is the only viable option for a proud INDO-EVROPEAN

>> No.18682267

>>18682240
Sumerians are invaders too, genius - there's a lot of Sumerian city names that are morphologically inconsistent with Sumerian as we know it

>> No.18682277

>>18682267
True but I mean they created the civilization Akkadian immigrants later hijacked.

>> No.18682326

>>18682277
>hijacked
What do you even mean by this? Akkadians lived alongside Sumerians from at least the 26th or 27th c. BC and there's good evidence for a somewhat dominating level of bilingualism. Sumerians never ''disappeared'' or had their culture ''hijacked'', they just adopted the Akkadian language around the 20th c. BC.

>> No.18682365

>>18682326
Because semites who were pouring in from the desert for centuries uprose and violently conquered them under Sargon, though there was a sumerian revival in the 3rd Ur dynasty that ended precisely around 20th century.

>> No.18682430

>>18682365
>Because semites who were pouring in from the desert for centuries uprose and violently conquered them under Sargon
- which, as you know, was not an unprecedented affair, since Sumerian city-states had attempted to conquer each other before this. I still don't see the ''hijacking'' of culture you're talking about, especially considering that the language of state changed to Akkadian in this period.
>though there was a sumerian revival in the 3rd Ur dynasty
What ''revival''? A return to Sumerian in state matters? The supposed ''renaissance'' of the Ur III period was actually innovative and not a ''revival'' of older Sumerian culture - most Sumerian literary compositions were probably written during this period.
>that ended precisely around 20th century
The dynasty ended around the turn of the 21st century, yes, but the adoption of Akkadian was not related to any ''invasion'' on their part, but the break-down of the Sumerian central state, which led to smaller kingdoms using Akkadian as their official language. Immigration and assimilation is not ''hijacking'' if the original peoples aren't deprived of their culture, and there was a very large degree of cultural continuity, the language change aside.

>> No.18682452

>>18682430
>no bro they were best friends and loved each other haha
Fuck off already akkadiaboo

>> No.18682906

>>18682247
Still non-indo-european loser

>> No.18682926

>>18682452
> prides himself for being a steppe nigger nomad who conquered and destroyed older and more sophisticated farming civilisations in Europe and India
> criticises and hates on nomads who did the same thing his steppe niggers, horse-fucking ancestors did

This is your mind on /pol/

>> No.18683263

>>18682220
I love the video by that nazi guy who argued that
>aryans fucked horses and it was based

>> No.18683486

>>18682926
>thinks the same standards should be applied to one's own as to random tribes
Your brain on Marxism

>> No.18683919

>>18683263
Source? I want to watch this too.

>> No.18683926

>>18683486
you have to if you wanna be morally consistent

>> No.18684030

>>18678705
>Al-Haditi, Sa'di 'Abdul Majid
>abstract
>This thesis is a sociological and textual study of the folk songs accompanying the Coobi dances performed on festive occasions in the Arab-inhabited areas along the upper parts of the twin rivers of the Tigris and the T1iphrates, within the Iraqi borders. The texts studied are mainly collected from the Euphrates region between Hiit and `Anna and, more precisely, from Hadiita town and its suburbs. The study falls into three parts and a conclusion: the first part is an introduction, which gives a brief account of the geographical/ historical, economic and cultural background. In the second part, the core of the thesis, the songs are studied as individual units. The Moolayya is the longest song form. Thirty stanzas of this type are studied. Ten stanzas of each of another four forms are examined, and this part ends with consideration of five stanzas from each of a further five song forms . The treatment of the songs' units progresses from the smaller to the larger: title, first line of refrain, second line of refrain, and the stanzas. Extra texts are included in the appendix. The third part deals with the factors unifying the Coobi songs and discusses their form and content as a whole. In this section the Coobi dance is described and a stepping diagram is dram for the first time. However the musical technicalities of the songs are not examined, as they stand outside the scope of our study. This thesis is a record of original material which nobody has treated elsewhere. It offers not only a literary treatment, but also a folkloric one, which makes it useful for students of the anthropology of folk poetry and folk song. It is also a record of a particular way of social life before it is destroyed by the progress of modern times.

>> No.18684045

>>18683926
My morals say that my own are superior to others. Stop using concepts that are beyond you.

>> No.18685023

>>18684045
sure i just wont feel bad when a nigger robs you.

>> No.18685854

>>18685023
No one cares how you feel buddy