/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18654669]

Books about the eventual extinction of religion?

[Anonymous No.18654670]

>>18654669
A Short History of Decay

[Anonymous No.18654671]

>>18654669
Google it.

[Anonymous No.18654675]

>>18654669
You really think religion is going anywhere anytime soon?
>Covid vax is being called the Mark of The Beast even by normies
>George Floyd memorial just got struck by lightning during a clear and sunny day
>AI will split society into two factions and cause a civil conflict
There will be religious wars fought in space, anon.

[Anonymous No.18654680]

Oh no muh heckin superstitions that should've been bonked out of human psyche centuries ago but lingered because they're a great cattle crowd control tool!

[Anonymous No.18654686]

>>18654680
t. Beta male that got upset because he was forced to spend Sundays in Church instead of jacking off in bed.

[Anonymous No.18654689]

>>18654675
You can't just call every source of misinformed zeal a religion, dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.18654861]

>>18654669
unironically the bible and specifically the story of job

[Anonymous No.18654876]

>>18654669
In Hyperion Christianity is going extinct.

[Anonymous No.18654913]

>>18654675
>>Covid vax is being called the Mark of The Beast even by normies
holy shit you hang out with interesting people

[Anonymous No.18655047]

>>18654669
Dad kapital

[Anonymous No.18655052]

We're in the middle of a period of renewed religiosity anon.

[Anonymous No.18655059]

>>18655052
And it means absolutely nothing. It's just a bunch of neoconservative cucks.

[Anonymous No.18655063]

>>18655052
how does this "renewed religiosity" manifest itself? Church attendance is dropping everywhere around the world especially among younger generations and the only thing that is keeping Christianity and Islam alive are niggers who make more babies than they can feed

[Anonymous No.18655066]

>>18655052
That's just because Muslims are making a bunch of kids. They'll be cucked out by the robots soon enough

[Anonymous No.18655109]

>>18655059
>>18655063
>>18655066
It's the other side, anon.
>b-but they said that they're athe-
People say all sorts of shit. Calling yourself an atheist on the way to go pray to the George Floyd idol and perform blood sacrifice to him doesn't make you an atheist. There are no atheists. Everyone worships something.

[Anonymous No.18655129]

>>18654675
>>AI will split society into two factions and cause a civil conflict
BUTLERIAN JIHAD WHEN

[Anonymous No.18656509]

>>18654675
>George Floyd memorial just got struck by lightning during a clear and sunny day
If that's not a clear sign of divine wrath, I don't know what it is.
Heretics being worshipped as Saints is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.18656629]

>>18654669
The Sovereign Individual has a lot of good arguments and chapters about the waning power of Church sovereignty

I liked the one about the Sienna Orgy in the papacy meanwhile the laiety had to get a sex license for marital intercourse

[Anonymous No.18656638]

>>18654686
He could have been reading the Greeks and being olive oiled up by Geishas teaching him how to code but nooo you had to go in there with your Holy Bud Lite Communion and nofap creepy pasta

[Anonymous No.18656679]

>>18654689
Yes you can

[Anonymous No.18656684]

>>18656509
George Floyd became a born again Christian shortly before his death. There is no justification for his murder no matter how you look at it. That being said worshipping him and erecting monuments in his memory is indeed heretical and I bet George wouldn't want his image to be abused in this way
>B-BUT MUH FENTANYL
>MUH KICKING A PREGNANT WOMAN
>MUH PORN STAR
we are all sinners and we can all make an effort to change our ways

[Anonymous No.18656696]

I think most the major religions are kino but some kind of ai worship shit could be cool. Think humans will always have some kind of irrational religious attitude towards *something*. But thats based

[Anonymous No.18656704]

>>18654689
Yes you Can 2: Pajeet Praises

[Anonymous No.18656705]

Religion never goes away. You're worshipping something right now. It might be so idiosyncratic that you don't share it with a community, but that just means you're less memetically fit.

[Anonymous No.18656711]

>>18654689
>Tfw you cannot call any informed source of zeal a religion
Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.18656792]

We have a new religion anon it's called science. "Follow the science" is the new commandment. Now go get your jab.

[Anonymous No.18656825]

>>18656711
>>18656792

[Anonymous No.18656834]

>>18656792
Unironically a better religion than 2000 years old semitic fairy tales

[Anonymous No.18656843]

>>18656834
>Scifi Jew Fairy Tales any better if not lower quality derivative of Bronze Age fairy tales themselves just bootleg Greek bardcore

[Anonymous No.18656941]

>>18654669
Religion will never go away. They may morph to meet changing social conditions or just invent new ones to give meaning and create social solidarity. If youre interested in religious studies you should check out Religion for Brekfast. Think he has a video on this topic.

[Anonymous No.18656963]

Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future

[Anonymous No.18656964]

>>18656684
>George Floyd became a born again Christian shortly before his death.
Isn't that something people do to get out of prison faster?

[Anonymous No.18657016]

>Spengler on the death of science and the return of religion through ignorance
In this very century, I prophesy, the century of scientific-critical Alexandrianism, of the great harvests, of the final formulations, a new element of inwardness will arise to overthrow the will-to-victory of science. Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword. First, in the 18th Century, its methods were tried out, then, in the 19th, its powers, and now its historical role is critically reviewed. But from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

Men dispense with proof, desire only to believe and not to dissect. The individual renounces by laying aside books. The Culture renounces by ceasing to manifest itself in high scientific intellects. But science exists only in the living thought of great savant-generations, and books are nothing if they are not living and effective in men worthy of them. Scientific results are merely items of an intellectual tradition. It constitutes the death of a science that no one any longer regards it as an event, and an orgy of two centuries of exact scientificness brings satiety. Not the individual, the soul of the Culture itself has had enough, and it expresses this by putting into the field of the day ever smaller, narrower and more unfruitful investigators. The great century of the Classical science was the third, after the death of Aristotle; when Archimedes died and the Romans came, it was already almost at its end. Our great century has been the 19th. Savants of the calibre of Gauss and Humboldt and Helmholtz were already no more by 1900. In physics as in chemistry, in biology as in mathematics, the great masters are dead, and we are now experiencing the decrescendo of brilliant gleaners who arrange, collect and finish-off like the Alexandrian scholars of the Roman age. Everything that does not belong to the matter-of-fact side of life - to politics, technics or economics - exhibits the common symptom. After Lysippus no great sculptor, no artist as man-of-destiny, appears, and after the Impressionists no painter, and after Wagner no musician. The age of Caesarism needed neither art nor philosophy. To Eratosthenes and Archimedes, true creators, succeed Posidonius and Pliny, collectors of taste, and finally Ptolemy and Galen, mere copyists. And, just as oil-painting and instrumental music ran through their possibilities in a few centuries, so also dynamics, which began to bud about 1600, is to-day in the grip of decay.

[Anonymous No.18657019]

>>18654669
Read Freud's The Future mof an Illusion.

[Anonymous No.18657033]

>>18656684
>That being said worshipping him and erecting monuments in his memory is indeed heretical and I bet George wouldn't want his image to be abused in this way
Sounds like bullshit justification to me and George Masonic Floyd is rotting in hell

[Anonymous No.18657045]

>>18656684
That whole arm and Bible was shopped in, I can tell by the pixels and having seen quite a few shops in my life.

[Anonymous No.18657051]

>>18654669
>eventual extinction
not quite

Jonathan Haidt "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion"
tl;dr - religion is a tool of evolutionary group selection mechanism. You tell the cattle "Always wash hands before food, God demands it!", and as long as environment is stable (water not poisoned, for example), the believers vastly outperform the skeptics.

Yuval Noah Harari "Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow"
tl;dr - religion and ideology are indistinguishable (or, at least, very overlapping).

[Anonymous No.18657059]

>>18656684
>murder
>overdose
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.18657095]

>>18654669
People will always yield to or believe in a higher power.An argument could be made that science itself is a new religion with how zealous people are to worship and defend it.

[Anonymous No.18657102]

>>18654669
there is still a religion. it's a mild and comfortable nihilism

[Anonymous No.18657108]

>>18654669
It will never ever leave no matte rhow much you wish for it.

Is is logical form of thought train that is answering "why" of the life and is possible due to our conscientiousness and it's access to the abstract concepts.

Only way to destroy religion is for us to devolve into animals incapable of reasoning, and anti religious nutjobs like you can only to try to stroggify everyone as a way to do it.

[Anonymous No.18657117]

>>18654669
Literally what are you talking about? America is in the throes of Wokeism and Europe will be an Islamic continent by the end of the century. Not to mention the odd cults which keep popping up in East Asia. Religion is only getting stronger.

[Anonymous No.18657156]

>>18657108
>It will never ever leave no matte rhow much you wish for it.
Dude, we're headed to become like literal insects. Think a little while ahead and human beings will be born in a jar, fed stabilizing meds at birth so they never develop bad behaviors, then go on a diet of daily medical juice that is designed for perfect nutrition as well as to erase all feeling of sadness, unease, or any other unpleasantness, er- "mood disorders". His education will be about rote memorization of whatever needs to be done to sustain the machine driven society. Without the arts or literature or sports or anything else, human beings' education will be entirely machine interfaces and science. Regular human beings will probably have to fulfill whatever task is available that day, like worker ants. One day you'll supervise some legacy machinery, one day you'll have to operate the killing machine in a slaughterhouse, one day you'll serve food. You'll go home and sleep and feel nothing. There won't need to be pornography or entertainment to pacify your senses, the meds take care of that. No matter what he's doing, the nu-human will feel nothing. He has no drive to do anything but what he is told because as he's stripped of emotion he's also stripped of all wants and ambition. He only has needs and the needs are covered. We're not even going to watch this happen. Soon enough you'll have 50% then 80% of people on antidepressants and other mood meds, then it's going to be normal, like food. The meds will get better and better at erasing unease and pain. Then nothing will matter.

[Anonymous No.18657188]

>>18657156
Extremely retarded take, both due to overt pessimism and lack of understanding that a human being reject this like a virus naturally.

What you described in a sense is a systematic zombification, just lest gruesome then Borgs or Strogg. In a sense, if that pandora box becomes reality, worst thing will not be the fact that what you said exists, but that there will be ISIS tier fanatics that will be on atheist anti depressant crusade to bring everyone to accept nu hummanism.

Of course I don't think we will come to that either way, but you can see that religion will never die out as long a last human has conscious mind.

[Anonymous No.18657242]

>>18657188
>there will be ISIS tier fanatics that will be on atheist anti depressant crusade to bring everyone to accept nu hummanism.
how? online? shut down and block. ISPs are directly owned by Google/etc. as well as your hardware. They manage to organize somehow through mass surveillance and behavioral protocols and hit the streets? They're crazy, imprison and give meds. It's already a fact that if you have a problem with the state of things right now you are obviously crazy and you need to go on antidepressants.
Even if they manage to do acts of terrorism, all they'll manage will be reinforce the notion that people who are against enslavement are nutcases and need to be erased. Average joes will feel even more forced by peer pressure to take their cuck pills. What? You DON'T take the mood enhancers? Are you one of those terrorists, anon?!
It's already unthinkable that depression may be caused by external factors such as the modern lifestyle, it's always the individual who is deranged
people will need jobs so this fragmentation of skills and the need to place everyone where he's needed will make it very easy to push for a change in education. Once you manage to replace things like porn or games or gambling or addictions with a nice pill, people will want a pill. Porn is bad, alcohol is bad, gambling is bad, all these things damage you somehow, so take the pills anon, they're safe, tested, with mild side effects. You'll be able to work for several years to come. People in this system are only embracing religion these days because they're desperate. If you make them not desperate with a pill, they won't have need for that.

[Anonymous No.18657269]

>>18657242
Really depends on what you want from religion. For instance gratitude, human essential fulfillment (in a sense you are fulfilled after straining task, instead of dopamine rush excitement) and trust in God in uncertain universe is something a pill cannot replicate. I don't even need the feeling that porn, alcohol or other things reproduce, I don't need distraction and mindless excitement.

There are a lot of people like this, and with right approach to life, there is nothing you can be offered. Then only force will be used.

Will we come to that? No, but it's thing or two to think about.

[Anonymous No.18657324]

>>18657269
>gratitude
>human essential fulfillment (fulfilled after straining task instead of dopamine rush)
>trust in God in uncertain universe
>I don't need distraction and mindless excitement.
You are talking from the point of view of someone who is religious (I assume you are, maybe mistakenly). But the problem is that religion is dwindling. The things you have mentioned are being replaced by other things. The obvious one is "fulfillment", it's being replaced by the dopamine rush. This is because in the future industrial society you will not be able to achieve "fulfillment". The concept of achievement will be atomized in small tasks. You won't have a "career", you will have a series of micro-jobs. You will not have the concept of "gratitude" because in a world of monetary worth you only get "value". Your gratitude becomes having made a good monetary deal. And of course, the last one, the need for something to trust in an unstable world, that you'd fulfill with God, it becomes a pill. The pill counters the stress and unease.
Understand that my argument is not an argument AGAINST religion, my argument is just that inevitably, the 5% will become 1% then 0.1% then 0%. Everything is getting caught up in a unifying singularity. As the number of people increases, the worth of the individual decreases. Everything will have to be catch-all and there will be no fringe. There will never be a 1% of the population doing something else. It will have to be 100% or nobody, because that 1% will not be able to function.

[Anonymous No.18657342]

There's no philosophical argument for the extinction of religion, it's just a sociological observation of "younger people are less religious," which isn't as big a deal as you might think because religious people breed way more.

If we're talking pure sociology, shit is going to get weird when fucking Mormons become a dominant invasive species in the next few decades.

[Anonymous No.18657357]

>>18657342
>religious people breed way more.
They'll get absorbed by the system way faster than previous generations. All you need to do is make the religion permissive enough that you can do some jokes about it. Post-modernity devours everything, including God. The power of post-modernism is that it makes everything trivial.

[Anonymous No.18657371]

>>18657324
>Understand that my argument is not an argument AGAINST religion, my argument is just that inevitably, the 5% will become 1% then 0.1% then 0%. Everything is getting caught up in a unifying singularity. As the number of people increases, the worth of the individual decreases. Everything will have to be catch-all and there will be no fringe. There will never be a 1% of the population doing something else. It will have to be 100% or nobody, because that 1% will not be able to function.
Well issue here is the technology that is bending us to the breaking point. There is no help or solution in modernist and enlightenment utopian ideas from technology. Modernist crap will justify technological ostracization of human essence in favor for delusional utopian system that relies on implication of perfection, being that perfection is impossible to us on this ontological lever, these ideas are from foundations flawed, yet people are worshiping them due to material promises to the point that they leave parts of themselves to the ideas and system for these "feelings" that are chemically artificially induced.

Only way to protect Hummanity from the claws of technology is religiosity and philosophy incorporated and institutionalized, as those are some of the only branches of human civilization that are focused on protecting and developing the human essense in storm of outside influence. Now of course institutions are prone to change and corruption, but the alternative does not even have human beings in it's foundation or intention.

[Anonymous No.18657413]

I will enter within the machine and become god.

[Anonymous No.18657418]

>>18657371
>Only way to protect Hummanity from the claws of technology is religiosity
It's too late. One absolute truth that Ted K exposed is that you cannot step back on technological advancement. There is no way in the world you will be able to convince people to drop any of the fundamental aspects of modern life, and the elephant in the room is the very reason why yes, technology is bending us to the breaking point, but that doesn't matter: modern medicine. Modern medicine is something that human beings will never give up, and they will always want more and better of. It's on a whole higher level than the rest of tech. Nobody wants to die from a curable illness. Nobody wants to feel pain, or see his close ones in pain. No amount of religiosity or ethical talk will make a dent on this ever-increasing entitlement. And when people will break - and they will, I trust you - and they will refuse to see that it's technology and the industrial configuration of humanity that is causing it, they will just ask medicine to fix their minds, and medicine will fix it all, because it will.

[Anonymous No.18657451]

>>18654680
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.18657458]

>>18657156
>Thinking technological society will exit long enough to make this a reality
Relax. Thanks to climate change and ecological collapse, we'll be back to pre-industrial times by 2100 at the latest.

[Anonymous No.18657491]

>>18657458
Sadly no. Not because I don't believe in climate change and the stress we're having on the planet. I simply believe that we'll just keep treading the line while enforcing stricter and stricter behavioral rules on the general population so that we're always a little bit away from collapse. But I dunno maybe we're plunge into a post-apocalyptic cannibal nightmare. That's actually worse than the Borg dystopia because I'd likely be around to experience it.

[Anonymous No.18657584]

>>18657342
>If we're talking pure sociology, shit is going to get weird when fucking Mormons become a dominant invasive species in the next few decades.
State enforced polygamy awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yeahhhhhhhh sounds like fun

[Anonymous No.18657693]

>>18655109
>There are no atheists. Everyone worships something.


Thanks for admitting to being actually brain-dead,fagtard.

[Anonymous No.18657773]

religion is never going to be extinct because people are always going to need to find something to believe in

[Anonymous No.18657782]

>>18657693
He just quoted DFW.

[Anonymous No.18657821]

>>18657773
in your opinion, what is the thing that people believe the most today? after cold war it was all about science optimism, now i see the automation and the renewability being the main focus of western civilizations. building up the ever complex black box of fetishes

[Anonymous No.18657989]

>>18657821
most people today are moralistic deists

[Anonymous No.18658034]

>>18657989
but i thought materialism and naturalism replaced deism?

[Anonymous No.18658153]

>>18657117
This. I live in Amsterdam and I can see it happening. The future capitals of Islam will not be Cairo and Baghdad but London and Paris.

This SJW and LGBT stuff is just a temporary confusion.

[Anonymous No.18658171]

>>18658153
I wanted to move to Amsterdam and asked anons from /int/ for resources to learn Dutch but they responded that soon it won't be necessary to learn Dutch to live there lol but seriously how is life there and is it hard to learn Dutch when I already know some German?

[Anonymous No.18658192]

>>18654669
>WRITTEN IN DISGUST OF VULGAR SUPERSTITION

>The church bells toll a melancholy round,
>Calling the people to some other prayers,
>Some other gloominess, more dreadful cares,
>More harkening to the sermon's horrid sound.
>Surely the mind of man is closely bound
>In some black spell; seeing that each one tears
>Himself from fireside joys, and Lydian airs,
>And converse high of those with glory crown'd
>Still, still they too, and I should feel a damp, -
>A chill as from a tomb, did I not know
>That they are dying like an outburnt lamp;
>That 'tis their sighing, wailing ere they go
>Into oblivion; - that fresh flowers will grow,
>And many glories of immortal stamp.

John Keats

[Anonymous No.18658200]

>>18656834
>has created no good art
>rampant degeneracy
>trucking trannies

I’ll stick with my fairy tales, thanks

[Anonymous No.18658204]

>>18658171
Oh I you know a bit of German and you speak English Dutch is easy.

Life isn't bad here, overall. Amsterdam can be a nice city if you know the right places. It helps if you have money. There is an interesting conflict here I think between the feminine forces of the SJW, BLM, LGBT movements, and more masculine forces of Islam. Islam is still pretty tiny in numbers but I think the sheer force of violence will make it victorious in the end. Not sure what to think of it. Honestly Muslim dudes and chicks are nicer than lefty cunts.

[Anonymous No.18658210]

>>18658204
>There is an interesting conflict here I think between the feminine forces of the SJW, BLM, LGBT movements, and more masculine forces of Islam
sounds like a fucking nightmare holy shit

[Anonymous No.18658230]

>>18658204
How are relations between Muslims and whatever devout Christians or other faiths in the country? I have read that in France at least, Christians and Muslim communities have worked together on grappling with the French secularism.

[Anonymous No.18658241]

>>18658230
>Netherlands
>devout Christians
Lmao

[Anonymous No.18658276]

>>18658210
Haha it's not a full blown conflict yet...more like something that's simmering under the surface. I notice a lot more white people are showing a genuine interest in Islam these days, especially people who used to be lefties.

Many don't like the gay stuff that is everywhere in Amsterdam and there is a sort of unspoken resentment against it which people will only reveal when you talk in private. My friend is a school teacher who used to be as left wing as it gets but who is fucking tired with the SJW stuff. His stories are fascinating. There is a contingent in his classes who get angry when he adresses them as "boys and girls" because it leaves out the enbies and such, and there is a contingent who are hardcore based.

[Anonymous No.18658295]

>>18658230
>How are relations between Muslims and whatever devout Christians or other faiths in the country?
Devout Christians are mostly in some rural enclaves. They don't interact much with our Muslims.

[Anonymous No.18658317]

>>18654675
>Covid vax is being called the Mark of The Beast even by normies
you sure about that bud

[Anonymous No.18658594]

>>18655129
SOON

[Anonymous No.18658618]

>>18654675
>born just in time for the space crusade
My body is ready, deus vult

[Anonymous No.18658629]

>>18654669
There will be religion so long as there is suffering.

[Anonymous No.18658650]

>>18656834
hope you typed this post with sanitized hands, wearing your two masks and ready to receive your fourth jab dose.

[Anonymous No.18659392]

>>18658618
>Deus Vult

You have to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.18660354]

>>18654669
That’ll never happen. People aren’t satisfied with the worldview that, “everything is just atoms randomly bumping together.” People seek to find a meaning for everything that happens. Atheism is something that has occurred many times in history and it never lasts long.

[Anonymous No.18660865]

>>18657693
how's he wrong?

[Anonymous No.18660869]

>>18654669
Religion will never go extinct. Currently our religion is the scientific method and its priests are scientific experts. Read Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.18660889]

>>18656684
>we are all sinners and we can all make an effort to change our ways
Animals can't be Christians.

[Anonymous No.18660984]

>>18655052
get off the internet

[Anonymous No.18661100]

>>18654675
This. Don't get your hopes up. Haven't you guys played alpha centauri?

[Anonymous No.18661127]

>>18654669
St. John's Revelations.

[Anonymous No.18661142]

>>18654669
Nietzsche's 1880's work, Gay Science and Beyond Good and Evil in particular.

Make sure to get a 2nd edition copy of the Gay Science which includes the fifth book and his collection of fruit-cake poems and songs.

[Anonymous No.18661675]

>>18654669
I still have one life left to risk