You don't really need a grammar book to learn a language

[Anonymous No.18650755]

Not even one like Latin
Just try this guide in the next post.

[Anonymous No.18650760]

1. Write the first two or three lines of the poem.
2. Say the lines aloud, even sing them if you can carry a tune.
3. The next day, see how much of those first three lines you can write from memory.
4. Look at the actual text and correct what you might have left out until the first lines are accurate.
5. Say those lines aloud again and then write the next three lines.

[Anonymous No.18650777]

>>18650760
Does this actually work?

[Anonymous No.18650790]

learning rules doesn't help you learn language, because you won't be recalling and applying rules while speaking

[Anonymous No.18650796]

>>18650760
Not gonna lie, something similar to this was of an immense help while I was learning Russian. I wouldn't recommend this method to anyone though because I'm a native speaker of a related Slavic language and at times it felt very tedious and cumbersome. But yeah, it was basically the method you described here - just slow, systematic repetition of singular phrases until they click and stick in your brain

[Anonymous No.18650810]

>>18650790
>learning rules doesn't help you learn language,
When did I tell you to do that?
And it does.

[Anonymous No.18650843]

>>18650796
You learned phrases and not texts or short texts so not exactly the same I think.
>>18650777
It can if you do it.
Not my list it was done by Laraine Flemming who is a teacher and textbook maker.

I'm not entirely sure but I think the Romans may have done something similar to this for learning languages.

[Anonymous No.18650871]

While I don't use it for language learning in particular, I do have a similar system for memorizing poems/quotes that I ripped from an Anki add-on called LPCG that works great for me:
>1. If you haven’t already done so, read through the poem carefully so you have a general idea of how it goes.
>2. Read through the poem again, line by line. This time, immediately after you read each line, look away from the page and repeat the line back. If you stumble or get it wrong, try again until you get it right: read the line again, then look away and repeat it again. It is helpful but not strictly necessary to speak out loud.
>3. Repeat step 2, but take two lines at a time – then repeat with three, four, five, and six. You will find it gets a little bit harder each time, but not much, since you’re getting more familiar with the poem as well; before you know it you’ll be able to remember six lines at a time. It is unnecessary to continue this process beyond six lines.
>4. Set the poem aside until the next day – it is truly remarkable how much easier it is to continue after a good night’s sleep. Do not skip this step! The rest will be easy if you do it and quite frustrating if you don’t.
>5. Try reciting the poem straight through. If the text is easy, you may have it already; otherwise, go back and work on any spots you don’t have down yet. No particular method is necessary at this point. Don’t work for more than a few minutes; just touching all the difficult spots is enough.
>6. The next day, repeat step 5. Most likely the poem will now come very naturally to you. Particularly difficult texts may require one more day.
>Source: https://ankilpcg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/theory.html
I've also found the best way to memorize long prose quotes is by turning them into verse. Usually 10 syllables per line and stop at the nearest natural break (comma, period, before conjunction). Don't be afraid to change the construction or use synonyms in order to make it fit the meter more appropriately (it's not a citation). For me, committing a difficult passage to memory is a good way to help comprehend it.

[Anonymous No.18651025]

>>18650755
we ain't kids, that's why we need to study grammar

[Anonymous No.18651939]

whats the origin of that Medusa image? I've seen it elsewhere so ik its not exclusive to that book

[Anonymous No.18651991]

>>18651939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa_Rondanini
from what I can tell, it's a 19th century reproduction.

[Anonymous No.18652411]

>>18651991
thx breh. impressed with your art knowledge

[Anonymous No.18653923]

>>18650760
Would this work for learning latin from Virgil poems?
I think that this would be great for memorizing things, but not for learning a language.

[Anonymous No.18654224]

>>18653923
>Would this work for learning latin from Virgil poems?
might do. but remember you will have many problems without looking at grammar first probably

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/ujf/blog/memory.html

[Anonymous No.18654330]

>>18650760
Bugman tier

[Anonymous No.18654509]

>>18654330
how?

[Anonymous No.18654728]

>>18650755

i do something similar to that while learning japanese(except i know the grammar)

i learn 5 minutes of dialogue at a time from tv shoes and movies
i go over it 5 times. recently i have only been doing it 3 times. i find 5 times is too much. i already know the dialogue after 3 times

[Anonymous No.18654758]

ebbinghaus is worth looking into before learning a language

i used to think i could learn a language by going over dialogue once

[Anonymous No.18655091]

>>18650755
Either this turbo Autist keeps posting threads about how grammar is unnecessary to understand Latin or there's an epidemic on /lit/ of people this deluded. I gravitate towards the former.

Stop trying to take shortcuts you absolute fucking retard. You need to have a firm grasp on grammar if you want to do any translation at all, and that is especially true for Latin,where word position inside a sentence is almost entirely arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.18655104]

>>18655091
You don't need grammar tho

[Anonymous No.18656304]

I only know English and my native tongue but I can pitch in a method which helped me immensely in learning the former.
1. Learn its alphabet.
2. Get at least a rudimentary understanding about the structure of a phrase. You don't necessarily have to know everything regarding grammar, but you should have an idea about how verbs, adjectives, subjects etc work and where they fit in in a phrase.
2. This is the most important part. Take songs and poems and run them through a translator 1 word at the time and then one verse at the time. Now this method can return mixed results depending on what you are studying on and the quality of the translator but in time you should acquire a solid contextual understanding regarding the general structure of a phrase and you will also learn a lot of new words on the way.

I can't guarantee that this will work for everyone or for every language for that matter but this is what helped me.

[Anonymous No.18656351]

just go with LLPSI style methods and stop being edgy, you learn both gradually by reading AND you learn the grammar morsel by morsel along with it

[Anonymous No.18656389]

>>18656351
>stop being edgy
ah yes. ancient methods are "edgy"

[Anonymous No.18656398]

>>18656389
the grammar translation method is a 19th ce Prussian invention, mongrel.

[Anonymous No.18656446]

>>18656398
the memorising of texts method was practice in asia for learning classical chinese

"In premodern times, learning literary Chinese never involved
learning a grammatical "system" (as learning Latin or Sanskrit did,
for example); rather, it involved memorizing "classic" texts and
absorbing their rhythms." - Paul Roozer,

[Anonymous No.18656466]

>>18656389
unless you can immerse yourself around people who speak Latin on a native level for years and who can constantly guide you, you are not following the "ancient methods", you are just hampering yourself for the sake of it, since presumably we are all talking about self-learning, some grammar doesn't bite

[Anonymous No.18656467]

>>18650760
How are gonna learn the meaning behind the works though.

[Anonymous No.18656498]

>>18656446
Yes. During the medieval period and renaissance,the memorization of set texts was also the main method of teaching Latin in the west. They believed that, by memorization, the student would always have correct models of grammar in their minds whenever they had to speak or write Latin in class. Grammar was taught in Latin via Donatus' ars minor/maior or, once again, memorizing grammar rules via poems like Alexander de Villa Dei's.

[Anonymous No.18656760]

Has anyone here actually become a fluent reader by going through the LLPSI series?

[Anonymous No.18656783]

>>18656760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQrFjNKctDc
A lot of people have. If a roastie can do it, so can you.

[Anonymous No.18656790]

>>18650755
how about, you know... just live there to learn the language. practice is the only thing that truly matters and the only way you can learn correct practice is by actual correct practice which is talking and interacting

[Anonymous No.18657089]

>>18654728
why do you even bother doing this if you're not at least semi-fluent, just read VNs

[Anonymous No.18657212]

>>18656498
>Grammar was taught in Latin via Donatus' a
rarely

[Anonymous No.18657216]

>>18656790
>. just live there to learn the language.
yes. i will go and live in the Mohave country and speak to the 200 elderly people there.

[Anonymous No.18657442]

>>18650755
is it better than Lingua Latina per se Illustrata?

[Anonymous No.18657542]

>>18657442
the book in op?

[Anonymous No.18657545]

>>18657212
what was the common book?

[Anonymous No.18657558]

>>18657545
depends on the place

[Anonymous No.18657571]

>>18657558
be specific i wanna read some old school grammar books

[Anonymous No.18657590]

>>18655091
He's a retard but lit place input over grammar generally,and because it's /lit/ and not /trans/ we're generally interested in reading fluently, not translating.
That's why we generally prefer llpsi over grammarcuck stuff

[Anonymous No.18657656]

>>18657571
In France and Germany I'm sure the Boy's Doctrinal was very popular from around 1200-1500
So the boys would learn the grammar by memorising the book which is a 2600 line poem in Latin.

[Anonymous No.18657677]

>>18657656
gratias tibi ago, amice

[Anonymous No.18658515]

>>18656498
>Alexander de Villa Dei's
I don't understand nothing in there kek.
https://mdc.csuc.cat/digital/collection/incunableBC/id/17711

[Anonymous No.18658582]

>>18657590
Are you literally retarded? How will you read fluently without understanding the sentences because you don't grasp the grammar?

[Anonymous No.18658714]

>>18658515
>doesnt understand medieval font
git gud kid kek