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Is pessimism opium for losers? Why do I never see successful chads whine about the pointlessness of sentience?

>> No.18650580

>>18650575
Camus, Celine, the French in general

>> No.18650593

Because they end up killing themselves

>> No.18650605

>>18650575
No, it is great on the right doses. I don't know what do you mean by chad or loser, but Graham (that hedge fund manager that wrote some books on finance and stocks) definitely think that optimism is dangerous.

>> No.18650612

Pessmism is the exhaust fumes given off by a downward spiral of loss, which threaten to be ignited, and cause irreparable damage.
As for chads, as much as a lot of them really do master the art of positive thinking, a lot of them are just way too dumb to empathize with people or think abstractly. But hey, if it benefits them, what the fuck does it matter how dumb they are?

>> No.18650659

>>18650575
>successful chads
You simps need to KYS

>> No.18650666

>>18650593
The chads? I've never seen or heard of an actual chad suicide. Studies find that most suicides are committed by ugly average men in their 30s and 40s with no wife/kids or gfs and below average income or none at all. Shouldnt be weird since everything is determined by how you look/appear to others

>> No.18650696

>>18650666
What kind of fucking study have you read?
Most suicides in the US are 60s / 70s old white men.

>> No.18650719

>>18650666
>chad suicide
it's called double suicide

>> No.18650721

>>18650575
Opium needed for life, not for suicide.

>> No.18650731

And more opium - less pain, more hard work, more "success".

>> No.18650739

>>18650666
What? The amount of people who 'had it all' and commit suicide when they go bankrupt isn't something negligible. And >>18650696 is probably right.

>> No.18650746

>>18650666
>literally just saying “studies show” to reinforce made-up point
That is not how that works

>> No.18650759

>>18650746
Its not made up, it was in the news

>> No.18650765

>>18650759
You’re doing it again…
Literally just google ‘highest suicide demographics’ and it’ll confirm you’re just talking out your ass

>> No.18650795

>>18650765
I checked the report the journos based their headline on, it checked out. Why are you so salty about it? My point is that chads dont commit suicide. Who cares if boomers do, chads dont. Thats my point

>> No.18650819

>>18650795
What is a chad, anon? Some successful artists do it anyway, and would you consider them chads? Do you realize that this chad thing is a meme, right? That it has nothing to do with reality, and that suicide is a real thing.

>> No.18650831

>>18650795
Not salty, this is just someone correcting your faulty logic.
Where is you evidence chads don’t kill themselves? Further and more importantly, what the fuck is a chad? How would one be identified in a purely statistical analysis? Money? Fame? Attractiveness? Does anyone even study such things or CAN they even be verifiably identified?

You’re talking in 4chan buzzwords, all other problems spring from this. Try not doing that and see if that helps.

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18650844

>>18650575
No, pessimism is a Perennial Truth.

Wisdom Of Silenus:
>"You, most blessed and happiest among humans, may well consider those blessed and happiest who have departed this life before you, and thus you may consider it unlawful, indeed blasphemous, to speak anything ill or false of them, since they now have been transformed into a better and more refined nature. This thought is indeed so old that the one who first uttered it is no longer known; it has been passed down to us from eternity, and hence doubtless it is true. Moreover, you know what is so often said and passes for a trite expression. What is that, he asked? He answered: It is best not to be born at all; and next to that, it is better to die than to live; and this is confirmed even by divine testimony. Pertinently to this they say that Midas, after hunting, asked his captive Silenus somewhat urgently, what was the most desirable thing among humankind. At first he could offer no response, and was obstinately silent. At length, when Midas would not stop plaguing him, he erupted with these words, though very unwillingly: 'you, seed of an evil genius and precarious offspring of hard fortune, whose life is but for a day, why do you compel me to tell you those things of which it is better you should remain ignorant? For he lives with the least worry who knows not his misfortune; but for humans, the best for them is not to be born at all, not to partake of nature's excellence; not to be is best, for both sexes. This should be our choice, if choice we have; and the next to this is, when we are born, to die as soon as we can.' It is plain therefore, that he declared the condition of the dead to be better than that of the living."

Hegesias of Cyrene, Death by Starvation:
>The book was called Death by Starvation or The Death-Persuader. According to the Roman orator Cicero (lived 106 – 43 BC), the entire book was essentially an argument for why everyone should just give up on life and kill themselves.

Ecclesiastes 4:1
>Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed-- and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors-- and they have no comforter.
Ecclesiastes 4:2
>And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.
Ecclesiastes 4:3
>But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.


THE DIALOGUE OF PESSIMISM, MESOPOTAMIAN WISDOM
>What then is good? To have my neck and yours broken, Or to be thrown into the river, is that good?
>Who is so tall as to ascend to heaven? Who is so broad as to encompass the entire world?

First Two Noble Truth of Buddhism:
>dukkha (suffering, incapable of satisfying, painful) is an innate characteristic of existence in the realm of samsara;
>samudaya (origin, arising) of this dukkha, which arises or "comes together" with taṇhā ("craving, desire or attachment")

>> No.18650860

>>18650844
No it is not, one should be reasonable, anon. And working with any extremes would hardly count as such.

>> No.18650874

>>18650860
>This thought is indeed so old that the one who first uttered it is no longer known; it has been passed down to us from eternity, and hence doubtless it is true.
If this isn't Perennial then I don't know what else is.

>> No.18650888

>>18650831
>Where is you evidence chads don’t kill themselves?

In the statistics, as I pointed out, anon. Here, the majority of suicides happen in men that are described as having little or low social value, no or little income, are generally unhealthy and obese. Chads fit none of these descriptions, therefore Chad does not commit suicide.

>> No.18650916

>>18650874
>religion & tradition
What is wrong with reason, anon? Careful examination?

>> No.18650938

>>18650888
>no I won’t define a chad denotatively
>and no I don’t think I’ll post any evidence, but keep in mind it explains very well everything I’m saying
This is just boring. Wish people didn’t feel the need to protect their ego on an anonymous image board, but alas…

>> No.18650957

>>18650916
Nothing but all reason end in Pyrrhonism.
The Will-to-Live isn't rational. It's irrational and dumb. Intellect is a guiding light but most of us men are fools who can't conquer their dumb and irrational instincts.

>> No.18650984

>>18650844
Holy cringe. Read BAP now.

>> No.18651003

>>18650957
Have you ever heard of pragmatism/instrumentalism? It is somewhat simple, and it is supposed to work.

>> No.18651030

>>18650984
Fuck le cultured hedonist warrior meme man bullshit. Philipp Mainländer told us that Virgin Asceticism is the way to remove the cloak of Will-to-Live from our very flesh and bone. Someday I will gather enough mental strength to leave this dumpster fire of a civilization.

>> No.18651047

>>18651003
>"The final aim of history is a crumbling field of ruins. It's final meaning is the sand blown through the eye-holes of human skulls."
>"[History]...the place of a skull and charnel house of a mad, incurably bloodthirsty slaughtering, flaying and whetting, of an irresistible urge to destroy to the last.”
>"The true Garden of Eden is desolation."

Ulrich Horstmann

>> No.18651061

>>18651047
Superstitions. I don't believe in soothsayers, anon. Sorry.

>> No.18651068

>>18651061
>Superstitions
Where?

>> No.18651092

>>18651068
>"The final aim of history is a crumbling field of ruins. It's final meaning is the sand blown through the eye-holes of human skulls."
How can you possibly know the future? How does he know that there will be something when humanity ends? I mean, do you think it is definitely impossible that we end together with everything (if it ever comes to an end)?

>> No.18651106

>>18651061
>>18651092
Knowing the future is pretty normal for human beings.

>> No.18651121

>>18651047
>The final aim of history is a crumbling field of ruins
I often watch the building developments of my city with a melancholy, they will definitly be ruins eventually.

>> No.18651130

>>18650580
French """"people""""

>> No.18651141

>>18650666
no, theyre committed by trannies, lets clear that up right now.

>> No.18651155

>>18651092
That is the only conclusion to all of the mindless slaughter that we call history. Nuclear weapons posses the ability to blow up this whole planet. 20th century was one of the most bloodiest century in the history of civilization. We learn one thing from history, that we don't learn anything from history. The Beast will repeat his actions.

>> No.18651196

>>18651155
That doesn't mean the end, anon. Yes, we might 'get filtered', but you can't possibly know that.

>> No.18651204

>>18651141
>no, theyre committed by trannies
false, trannies are like women

>> No.18651237

>>18651196
No one can go beyond history. Mega death comes with Mega technology.

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>>18650575
Cioran is a chad, even though he was larping as a loser

>>18650580
Camus' absurdism is literally a normie-tier version of stoicism. It is full of positive and life-affirming conclusions; the "pessimist" part of his philosophy is only needed for some cheap and puffed-up poetry.