>stoicism >Buddhism >Taoism Is it safe to combine these ideologies? They’re all about reducing suffering, changing yourself to fit the situation rather than changing the situation, big emphasis on meditation I don’t see any issue in combining them.

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Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:49:51 2021 No.18649956 [Reply] [Original]

>stoicism
>Buddhism
>Taoism
Is it safe to combine these ideologies?
They’re all about reducing suffering, changing yourself to fit the situation rather than changing the situation, big emphasis on meditation
I don’t see any issue in combining them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:51:24 2021 No.18649964 >>18649956 It ultimately doesn't matter how you worship demons. Combine them if you wish, you'll end up in the same place either way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:32:07 2021 No.18650432 >>18649956 Taoism is all you need but youll need the bhuddism to reflect

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:33:20 2021 No.18650435 Once you are buddha all is dao

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:33:44 2021 No.18650437 >>18649956 It's all bunch of Reddit blasphemy, read The Holy Bible and seek Christ. Or else, damnation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:34:30 2021 No.18650440 >>18650437 Jesus himself spoke daoism he said christ is the way

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:54:29 2021 No.18650784 >>18650437 Christcucks literally need to shove the Bible in their mouths. Just accept sky buddy isn’t here for you and you need to find peace within yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:15:08 2021 No.18650928 Daoism mixes well with other religions. It works as a kind of mystical backdrop. Zen is basically Buddhism mixed with Daoism. And you can fit in stoicism as well if you want.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:21:07 2021 No.18650955 >>18649956 It is. Here's a list of steps on how to do it: 1) Go back to R e d d i t

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:23:48 2021 No.18650973 >>18650784 you'll never be a woman

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:27:15 2021 No.18650994 >>18650955 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:25:05 2021 No.18651413 >>18650955 >>18650994 What is the least Reddit belief system

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:43:43 2021 No.18651558 >>18651413 Thelema

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:47:56 2021 No.18651588 >>18651413 Esoteric Nazism. Hitler is an avatar of Vishnu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:48:58 2021 No.18651596 >>18650437 One day you will be 18

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:52:26 2021 No.18651621 >>18651588 teachings of Savitri Devi intensifies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:53:55 2021 No.18651632 Stoicism has always been Buddism for white people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 21:14:40 2021 No.18652560 >>18651413 christianity , when you consider the reddit history and demographics

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 21:19:12 2021 No.18652586 >>18649956 Isn't stoicism supposed to be rationalizing and the other two ineffable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 23:28:55 2021 No.18653217 >>18651413 Rene Guenon (P B U H)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 23:33:51 2021 No.18653241 >Daosim >r*dddit biggest lie ever told Daoism is far too erudite to be appreciated by plebs

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 23:35:58 2021 No.18653255
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>>18650784
>Just accept sky buddy isn’t here for you and you need to find peace within yourself
Please don't talk about things you haven't studied and don't understand.

>>18649956
If you need to combine a bunch of different philosophies and religions it means they are incomplete in themselves, deficient, and not ''the Way''.
Christ is the way, the truth and the life -- and Christianity is his religion.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 23:45:04 2021 No.18653304

To the Christian in this thread,
I am literally too dumb to understand your religion. Your religion isn't special in that regard since I have a difficult time reading in general due to intellectual disability, but the fact that I personally cannot wrap my head around your teachings means I will always be outside the church. I can't simply have faith, I need to understand; since I cannot understand anything, I cannot believe in anything. It is a very stressful situation.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 23:57:12 2021 No.18653349

>>18653304
Christianity is meant to save anyone, it spread among the slaves and fisherman in 100AD after all... you don't need secret knowledge nor complex analytical philosophy...in fact accepting it as a child is fine too if that's all your mind can handle.

''But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.'' Luke 18:16

"Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Luke 18:17

you can have a simple understanding of the basics and put your faith in Christ like a child and that's enough, if that's all you're rationally capable of

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 00:10:25 2021 No.18653415

Sure but buddha-dhamma encompasses them all.

By that i don't mean mystical horse shit. I mean coming to an understanding of paticcasamupada and fully comprehending sensuality.

Check out hillside hermitage. Youtube

t. Have lived at a buddhist monastery for 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 00:23:49 2021 No.18653481 >>18653415 >lives in a Buddhist monastery >posts on a mongolian basket weaving forum I highly doubt this

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Anonymous Thu Jul 15 01:53:06 2021 No.18653866

>>18649956
I'd say Stoicism and Taoism are safe enough to combine. Buddhism is a bit different however. Buddhism seeks to reduce suffering while Stoicism and Taoism tend to turn more to indifference.
I think If you replace Buddhism with Cynicism, it would be much more accurate. Cynicism and Taoism both preach to live in accordance to nature. The Tao Te Ching even says, "The man reaching enlightenment may appear withdrawn from life, The enlightened may appear foolish". It makes sense when considering Stoicism derived from Cynicism. But no, Buddhism, while similar, does not fit in within the same sphere as Stoicism, Taoism, and Cynicism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 01:53:54 2021 No.18653871 >>18649956 No. Follow christ instead of any of those.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 02:03:15 2021 No.18653896 >>18653866 Your understanding of Buddhism is very limited Upekkha is the crown jewel of the seven enlightenment factors

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 02:14:09 2021 No.18653929 >>18653751 Fucking epic dude

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 02:23:43 2021 No.18653964

>>18653896
Yes, I'm not going to lie, I'm not too familiar with Buddhism. But I've had a pious Laotian friend lecture me. I know Buddhism is very diverse, but to me it doesn't address nature quite in the same way the Stoics or Taoists do. I see the end goal as the same but It would be an over simplification to lump Buddhism into the others imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 02:27:04 2021 No.18653973 >>18653964 Dhamma = nature literally

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 03:48:06 2021 No.18654269 >>18649964 >>18650437 you're twitter-christians, you have zero understanding of any other religions from the one you've been fed some months ago in order to be le trad contrarian in two months you'll convert into god knows what, never post again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 04:11:59 2021 No.18654348 >>18649956 >is it safe to combine these ideologies? no, you might die. idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 04:14:29 2021 No.18654353 >>18654269 seethe, cope, dilate, etc., et al. Also cringe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 04:47:53 2021 No.18654445 >>18654353 nobody feels like discussing your dying religion, in a few years practiced exclusively sub-saharan niggers christian "philosophy" is a complete meme and you know it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 04:50:14 2021 No.18654448 >>18649956 I hate self help interpretations of classical thought so much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 05:28:10 2021 No.18654569 >>18649964 Danes were right about killing christcucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 10:58:28 2021 No.18655910 >>18649956 Do what thou wilt. Pick and choose and combine idea from any idea, religion or philosophy to whatever you feel is best for your philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 11:57:30 2021 No.18656200 >>18653751 very based my man can you explain the concept of Karma to me? raised as a Christian it sounds too much like guilt, but anti dualism would kind of make guilt impossible

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 11:59:48 2021 No.18656211

>>18655910
>Do what thou wilt. Pick and choose and combine idea from any idea, religion or philosophy to whatever you feel is best for your philosophy.
this will never satisfy because the man knows he isn't seeking truth, whatever abomination he constructs will be blown apart by the wind because it had no foundation

>>18654445
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Matthew 7:13-14

For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:10

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 13:00:55 2021 No.18656565

>>18656211
No, >>18654445 is right. Christianity has failed not because le devil won the hearts of the people, but because it was built on metaphysical sketchy foundations that eventually crumbled overtime. Christianity, since the reformation, and possibly the schism or even before then, has collapsed in on itself. Christianity simply cannot stand the tests of time because it is not grounded in truth.

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 13:15:24 2021 No.18656642

>>18656565
what you say is true but my main grievance with christcucks on /lit/ is that they're essentially carbon copies of tradzoom larpers, and the blatant refusal to argue in good faith
I've argued with plenty of muslims but they actually argue and can be reasoned with, meanwhile the retards on here will larp as crusaders with ambivalent strangers online while their local church gets vandalized or pissed on by [informed citizens]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 13:19:24 2021 No.18656668 >>18654445 Have you read Aquinas?

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 13:54:25 2021 No.18656861
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>>18656565
>>18656642
the West is undergoing radical secularization in an environment full of psyops, consoomerism, lust and mindless distractions. They don't seek after truth, so they will not find truth, they will not find God... it's not like they've found a better metaphysical basis for their life, they aren't becoming Platonists or Stoics en masse lol, they don't care for truth, they are totally ignorant of metaphysics, philosophy and what is essential and objective in life; instead they are living day to day mostly like animals, satisfying whatever new desire or pseudo-struggle pops up in their mind.

But this is all expected and not surprising, there will be more and more persecutions of the truth, more people falling into darkness, avoiding the narrow path

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:01:35 2021 No.18656905

>>18656668
Nobody who has anything interesting to say will simply ask if they've read X. It reminds me of when Sargon of Akkad would become exacerbated and start asking people if they've read Locke whenever he failed to defend his individualism. If you have something to say about Aquinas then fucking say it, but don't sit there and play these games probing for some way to dunk on somebody.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:02:47 2021 No.18656910 >>18649956 >changing yourself to fit the situation rather than changing the situation, throw a few SSRIs in the mix as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:05:33 2021 No.18656926 >>18656565 >Christianity simply cannot stand the tests of time because it is not grounded in truth. Nothing about the current state of the world is grounded in truth yet it's going to be with us for the rest of human history.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:06:41 2021 No.18656939 >>18656905 you don't come off as well read in anything related to Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:09:46 2021 No.18656957 >>18656939 you are not required to read hundreds of pages of any given philosopher to engage with anyone on here, if you have something to say about Aquinas that pertains to this conversation, say it

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 14:10:08 2021 No.18656959

>>18656939
I'm not the guy you're talking to. If you actually knew what you're about you would be up front about it. I've read quite a bit of Aquinas, the first book of the Summa Contra Gentilies, some of the commentaries on Aristotle, his sermons, and some of the minor treatises like On Being and Essence and On Kingship. Now what? Where do you go with the conversation now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 15:04:07 2021 No.18657206 Why would you want to?

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 15:17:24 2021 No.18657265

>>18656200
Read this;

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.077.than.html

Also, look up angulimala, the Arahant and mass murderer. You will see that kamma is an impersonal force based on intentions, rather than some kind of cosmic moral weight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 15:20:56 2021 No.18657289 >>18649956 Stoicism is christianity. The Logos is Jesus Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNWD8XyCeo

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 16:58:33 2021 No.18657802

>>18657289
Stoicism and Christianity are fundamentally incompatible. The doctrine of original sin more or less undermines Stoicism. The notion that man is flawed and incapable of living a virtous life without Jesus uproots Stoicism's blessedness of nature and reasoning. They may appear similar but are polar opposites.

Christianity=Jesus saves you
Stoicism= Save yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 18:32:32 2021 No.18658316 >>18650437 Nero did nothing wrong

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 20:36:44 2021 No.18658801

>>18649956
Stoicism is buddhism transplanted to the Greeks and the transmission line cut off.
Taoism (as you understand it) is Buddhism + Ancient Taoism
Buddhism (is whatever initial cultural you learn from + early Indian Buddhist culture)

So really, the common denominator is early Buddhism. Aka theravada buddhism (mainly).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 22:39:19 2021 No.18659448 >>18649956 No. They aren't consistent. Daoism posits something as existing or it seems to. Buddhism is nihilistic ontologically. Stoicism can be combined with anything as it doesn't need metaphysics to function really as I see it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 22:45:20 2021 No.18659479

>>18649956
>stoicism
>Buddhism
>Taoism
Didn't you consider vedic beliefs, i.e the Indian stuff that results from the vedas, upanishads, bhagavad gita etc?
Everything good about all 3 and way more besides.
>>18651588
Holy... Himmler keeping the Gita with him at all times now seems drastically less schizo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 22:50:36 2021 No.18659501 >>18653415 >paticcasamupada The most sophisticated nihilism conceived thus far. Should have done his duty and been a king.

Anonymous Thu Jul 15 22:57:35 2021 No.18659525

>>18656200
Dont listen to heretical crypto nihilists expound on concepts their entire tradition misunderstands. Karma is a vedic concept and sid misinterpreted the vedas and upanishads and their true exponents with amazing obtuseness. A anon explained Buddhism vs "Hinduism" to me this way: If you get up and walk outside your house and then look in through the window and see no one its the height of stupidity to conclude no one lives there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 23:11:31 2021 No.18659577 >>18651413 Salafist Islam, orthodox Vedic religion

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 23:13:29 2021 No.18659589 >>18653415 Buddhism is crypto-materialism and nihilism. Absolutely retarded. Fuck advaitins too

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 23:14:32 2021 No.18659597 Stoicism, Confuciunism, and Christianity is all you need

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 15 23:16:53 2021 No.18659608 /lit/ solely looks at religions in terms of ‘based’ and ‘cringe’ and whatever is the funnest to LARP as, with no view to their truth. Yikes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 16 02:00:57 2021 No.18660267 >>18659608 cringe

Anonymous Fri Jul 16 04:00:57 2021 No.18660633

>>18657265
Thanks! That makes it a lot more likely that I consider Buddhism my Religion one day, since the core concept of being born with guilt for something you did not commit (in this life) is a dealbreaker.

Just to write out what I took from that:
So karma is like a cloud surrounding your soul, if you do good things (or follow your Dharma or want to do good things) you accumulate a cloud of positive karma, if you do the opposite you accumulate a cloud of negative karma. The state of the karma surrounding your soul will inevitably lead to punishment or reward, but there is no judge. Just evil deeds attract evil karma which attracts evil deeds and vice versa.
Since monks consider the entirety of samsara, including the accumulation of good karma, as negative they would rather have absolutely zero karma and true understanding rather than having a lot of good karma and be reborn as a very high lifeform, because that would still trap them inside Samsara, just at the nicer ends of it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 16 04:35:49 2021 No.18660721

>>18660633
Karma isn't some mystical force. It's literally just the actions you take. If I start hanging around heroin addicts, I will probably become a heroin addict, that's karma. If I read Buddhist literature and practice Buddhist ideas, I will probably be enlightened someday. There's nothing special about it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 16 05:08:16 2021 No.18660792
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>>18660721
Given that the entirety of religion is just an abstraction of worldly human processes, in order to allow self reflection before self reflection, it is a given that it fits onto worldly events. It was created as a concept to explain them.
But I am fairly sure in buddhism Karma stays throughout reincarnation, which certainly gives it an element of mystique.

Anonymous Fri Jul 16 05:22:52 2021 No.18660823

>>18660792
The reincarnation thing is that all you actually leave behind in this world is the results of your actions. Anything that could be considered you is your karma. Reimcarnation happens because your karma (willfull actions) cause more birth and death in the world. I'm butchering this explanation and I don't fully understand it myself. If recommend reading a book or listening to someone who's not a retard on 4chan larping as Buddhist.

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