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Alright anons, thought’s on Pound? I just don’t get the guy, but I’ll read his poetry anyways.

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18646476

>>18646464
he can have it for a penny, hon

>> No.18646552

Same here. Hugh-selwyn mauberly is a pretty decent model for the waste land. Check that out.
Canto 1 is incredible but i dont want to read all of them and i read that one in an anthology.

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Interesting fella. His poetry is mostly weighted down by obscure academic references which made his poetry mostly inaccessible, which was the exact opposite of what he wanted his use of language to do. Like all poets he had his moments of brilliance, but most of his writings don't work. He was greatly influenced by Dante. Pound's Cantos are mostly ideas rehashed from Dante, the ones that aren't don't work and aren't illuminating at all. As a teacher and artist his contributions are innumerable. He lived in a castle in Italy, though, which is dope.

>> No.18646617

>>18646604
>obscure academic references
they're not really that obscure anon

>> No.18646626

>>18646552
This is me. I reread hugh-selwyn mauberley. Good parts, especially mr nixon and the envoi, but mostly bogged down in academic bullshit. Eliot and joyce use allusions much better.
But he's indisputably the most important figure in modernism and poetry of the 1900s. His influence encompasses joyce, eliot, lowell, hemingway, crane, frost, yeats, you name them he influenced them. Most of the people he inspired inspired others.

>> No.18646629

>>18646604
true, lol. His works are really intriguing to me, but the ancient Greek phrases and other allusions are obviously beyond me. I have the ABCs of Reading which is definitely on my list. Maybe I’ll connect with him one day.

>> No.18646635

>>18646464
Good influencer but the people he edited and helped getting published were far better writers.

>> No.18646639

>>18646617
Have you read Pound? His poetry is chock full of obscure references. Even his references to well known Greek mythology are much more obscure than Dante or Shakespeare. Pound reveled in his knowledge of the classics.

>> No.18646653

>>18646629
His essays are great, even if they are flawed and opinionated. A lot to be gained from reading them. Look up his essays that involve Yeats and Arnaut Daniel.

>> No.18646656

>>18646626
I love Yeats and Joyce. I heard something about Pound helping serialize Ulysses or whatever, which is pretty cool. It’s just Pound’s craftsmanship is very… exalted.

>> No.18646667

>>18646653
I will definitely read his stuff about Yeats. I’ve read all of Yeats’ poems and loved each of them.

>> No.18646670

Pound was very generous with the artists he helped. He annoyed publishers until he forced them to publish something by his pals. He wanted to start a fund for some of them too so they could focus on their art and not work. Those kinds of generous souls are not made in this world anymore.

>> No.18646674

>>18646635
Agreed. Pound is more of an academic, I assume.

>> No.18646686

>>18646670
makes you forget all of the bad stuff people say about him.

>> No.18646704

>>18646667
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/65892/the-later-yeats-5f3ab833c5262

Here's a short article he wrote. Pound criticizes but also exalts Yeats.

>> No.18646976

>>18646464
Great poet.
Start with the early verse and the translations. If you go directly into the Cantos you will be filtered.

>> No.18647017

Eliot stole from him and I steal from Eliot so I guess I owe him a lot.

>> No.18647059

>>18646656
Pound also published eliot's first collection and i think he published portrait of an artist as a young man too.
Imagism isn't the most popular thing now, but he helped pioneer that whole movement. I love the imagist poetry, specifically richard aldington and john gould fletcher. Amazing poems.

>> No.18647086

>>18646604
>which was the exact opposite of what he wanted his use of language to do

No, it was definitely not. You are mistaking clarity for accessibility. A mathematical textbook is clear, but it's not accessible.
Also, Pound was writing The Cantos for the few, and by the 'few' I mean the actual few, not the many who pretend to be the few.
For the public he wrote a bunch of textbooks, such as the ABC of Reading and the Guide to Kulchur, which are actually highly accessible if you're not an imbecile.

>Pound's Cantos are mostly ideas rehashed from Dante

Not really.

>> No.18647101

>>18646464
Skip the cantos, read everything else