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1864052 No.1864052 [Reply] [Original]

DFW predecessor, troll, genius, or....?

>> No.1864055
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1864055

Well, he was a better writer than DFW.

>> No.1864054

a writer

>> No.1864067

>DFW predecessor

Are we now categorizing authors in terms of their relationship to DFW? Because he's my favourite author, but that's more than a little bit ridiculous.

>> No.1864070

how bout retarded fuckwad?

>> No.1864074

>>1864067
DFW is your favorite author or JJ?
I assume Wallace was aware of vast, inconceivably sadistic books like Pale Fire, Gravitys Rainbow, Ulusses,
and decided to pitch a tent there, establish himself as a serious writer and then go Papa. That's why I suggest JJ is an influence on DFW

>> No.1864082

Best pen-pal ever!

>> No.1864098

Genius, and the pervert literature deserved.

>> No.1864113

>>1864074
the superfluous detail in Pale Fire does make it a pain at times, but it's nowhere near the complexity of GV or Ulysses.

>> No.1864115

>>1864113
complex in the 'difficult puzzle' sense

>> No.1864116

Flann O'Brien > James Joyce

You bitches know this to be true.

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1864187

>DFW predecessor

>> No.1864200

>>1864116

I like this post a lot.

>> No.1864510

James Joyce is a major influence on Thomas Pynchon, whom DFW worshipped and then later hated.

Anxiety of influence, anyone?

>> No.1864524

>>1864200
It's about a bicycle.

>> No.1864536

>>1864116
I havn't read Joyce yet (planning to this summer) but Flann O'Brien was a very good writer. The Third Police Man is an humourous read. At Swin Two Birds and The Dalkey Archives are both excellent aswell. Also they are both alumni to my Uni (University College Dublin). u jelly? u jelly.

>> No.1864544

>>1864116

I'm glad to see this getting mentioned more and more here.

Third Policeman is awesome as is
At-Swim Two-Birds

>> No.1864555

>>1864510

Why did he change his opinion of Pynchon?

>> No.1864561

>>1864555

He loved Pynchon, then he started writing in a style really similar to Pynchon, so DFW decided to distance himself from him to make his ideas look better, and pretend not to be totally ripping off Pynchon's style.

>> No.1864595

>>1864561
>>1864555
Well, you could call it as anxiety of influence. The need for an author to quarrel with his precursor and find something wrong with him so he can in turn fix it, improve upon it with his own writing.

But specifically, DFW said he enjoyed Pynchon "half of the time." He also said that he liked Gravity's Rainbow, but hated his later work.

From what I've read of DFW, he tries to explain his style as post-modernist but with sincerity and "heart." Which is interesting because if he read Pynchon's Mason & Dixon, it basically does everything DFW wanted to do. That is, be thoroughly post-modern but still manage to create real characters and create an affecting work that basically makes you cry.

tl;dr Pynchon > DFW