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I dont "get" it.

>> No.18632868

>>18632831
you never did

>> No.18632956

>>18632831
PYNCHED

>> No.18632988

I don't get "it"

>> No.18632990

You do. He did. She might've.

I don't. Get it?

>> No.18633011

You never did the Kenosha Kid?

>> No.18633019

>>18632831
"I" don't get it.

>> No.18633024

I "get" it.

Don't.

>> No.18633072

I? Don't - get it.

>> No.18633158

I? Dont.
Get it!

>> No.18633190

Ok Pynchon fans, I just got GR out of the library. Is there anything I need to read of know about before I start it?

>> No.18633214

>>18633190
Aside from doing the Kenosha, Kid, I wouldn't have much else to tell you.
Have some amount of patience. She's a long one and her narrative disintegrates and you have be ready for it, when it comes. It is the key to it all. The keys are in the last Thanatz and Katje chapters. (The one where he prositutes himself and the one where she talks to Enzian) They hold a lot of the keys. Enjoy it becuase you can only reread it twice or three times.

>> No.18633330

>>18633190
That other anon more or less covered it but I would add to pay attention to the White Visitation and the people involved with it. Most of the reason people get lost early on is because they miss a few things that those folks are up too concerning our old friend Slothrop.

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>> No.18633593

>>18633190
What I always tell people is something I overlooked on my first read - Slothrop's fate is very strongly tied to his family history, including the oldest roots of it.

>> No.18635146

>>18632831
Who tf is this chucky cheese lookin motherfucker? I refuse to believe that Thomas Pynchin looks like that!

>> No.18635151

>>18632831
I dönt "get" it.

>> No.18635158

boomer libtard core. Hopefully his cancerous influence will be forgotten soon.

>> No.18635190

>>18633376
ISTP

>> No.18635195

>>18635158
Gravity's Rainbow is actually about white genocide

>> No.18635245

>>18633190
>rocket = penis
there I just saved you 700 pages. if you want to simulate the rest just browse some bondage porn with a documentary on octopuses playing in the background

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18635348

Should I read Mason and Dixon before GR? I've already read V. and TCoL49 several times and enjoyed them immensely, but I've made 4 false starts at GR over the last 10 years and I get lost somewhere around the halfway point. Is M&D more straight-forward while keeping the manic energy of GR?
Also, don't mean to steer away from the thread topic, but I just read pic related and it blew me away with how great it was. reminded me of Rabelais, Chaucer, Cervantes, Gaddis, Gass at their most vitriolic and benevolent. It made me hungry to read something in a similar 18th-century style.

>> No.18635956

>>18635348
>Is M&D more straight-forward
yes
>while keeping the manic energy of GR?
it has lots of wacky hijinks but I wouldn't describe it as manic

>> No.18635970

Essential posturing author, alongside DFW and Gaddis.

>> No.18636178
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18636178

>>18635970
Absolutely retarded opinion.
Imagine reading something like pic related and accusing the author of "posturing." You either haven't read any of those three or you read at a middle school level.

>> No.18636708

>>18635970
Essential posturing shitpost from a fag who wants to justify being too lazy to read any book over 300 pages

>> No.18636762

>>18635970
you just know a yuro or third worlder typed this

>> No.18636854

>>18635158
retard boomcore. hopefully you die soon.

>> No.18637013

>>18636762
pleonasm innit

>> No.18637089

>>18636178
His books are overwritten, purposely gimmicky (which, of course, his worshippers label as 'complex') and prolix.

>> No.18637132

>>18637089
How is it overwritten? What are the gimmicks? And I don't think you know what prolix means, DFW would be prolix, Pynchon has some of the most condensed prose of any writer I've read.

>> No.18637164

>>18637132
From obscure references, fragmentation beyond comprehensibility, ridiculou number of characters (most of whom are irrelevant), to the sheer fact that you need a companion to follow what's going wrong in his supposed masterpiece.

>> No.18637165

>>18635158
>his cancerous influence will be forgotten soon.
Already is.

>> No.18637213

>>18637164
It doesn't sound like you've read any Pynchon. It's not that difficult or perhaps you're retarded.

>> No.18637216

>>18637213
Thanks

>> No.18637241

>>18637216
You're acting like Gravity's Rainbow is Finnegans Wake, it's not.

>> No.18637271

>>18637164
The filtration.

>> No.18637277

>>18637164
You literally replied to an excerpt I posted of a typical passage in GR, his hardest book. If that paragraph about orangutans was too hard for you to read, you are too fucking stupid for anyone on this site to give a shit about your opinions.

>> No.18637285

>>18637277
One page out of how many?

>> No.18637410

>>18637285
How many pages of that are too many for you to read?

>> No.18637462 [DELETED] 

>>18637410
Misunderstanding. One page is not a reprezentantkom of the whole book.

>> No.18637498

>>18637410
761

>> No.18637505

>>18637410
I meant that one page does not encapsulate the whole book.

>> No.18637724

The holy trinity of /lit/ butthurt:
Finnegans wake, anything Pynchon has ever written, and Christianity in general
Bring any of these up and you WILL personally offend someone in some way

>> No.18638503

>>18637505
Oh, okay. What portion of the book is too hard for you? Have you ever read any of it, at all?

>> No.18638549

>>18632988
but you "got" it. Get it?

>> No.18638700

>>18633214
Why can you only reread it a few times?

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>>18632831
Didn't like this very much, but at least it saved me time insofar as I'm never going to read Pynchon again.

>> No.18638778

>>18637164
>fragmentation beyond comprehensibility
Their use of fragmentation is not that difficult to understand, it follows a logical pattern, you just need to expend that small amount of effort required to identify the pattern.

>> No.18638873

>>18638503
For me, I had a hard time following along when they started going on about the blob monster. The opening really hooked me though.

>> No.18638904

>>18638873
ADENOIDED

>> No.18639012

>>18638873
lol many such cases

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>Dude I’m so GOOFY lol I gave my characters funny names. Haw-HAW!

>> No.18639292

>>18639057
No amount of greentexting will ever convince me that the names aren't funny, because they are

>> No.18639309

>>18633011
I? Never. Did the kenosha kid?

>> No.18639339

>>18639309
I never did. The Kenosha, kid...

>> No.18639346

>>18632831
I honestly didn't get V. To be fair I was much younger when I read it. A big group of New York beatniks and WW1 spies (that part was cool, phrases about lifelong friends need not be said or something, warmed my heart) searching for V. Randomly, a lockdown party in an African mansion. Then, it seems, the search for V (which is never defined) has been forgotten. All of a sudden, some Parisian loli is getting ready for a play, the novel tells me that she is V. I closed the book there and picked up Moby Dick, I'm glad I did because I really loved that. It's been 5 years now and I've read a lot more. Heaps of Pynchon threads lately, thinking about trying him again. I could restart V or something smaller. What was I missing on the first read?

>> No.18639649

>>18639346
People on here will tell you that you HAVE to read V and lot because they're his first novels and serve as a preamble to gravity's rainbow, but really, you can start with GR if you want. A lot of early pynchon stuff is really unrefined and just him trying to stand out and make a name for himself. You can tell he has talent in them sections like the play in lot and the introduction of the whole sick crew in V make this apparent, but he's still a writer in his infancy. In many ways you're starting shakespeare with henry VI, which anyone can tell you is a bad idea. Pynchon himself even hated those two novels and stated that they contradict everything he's learned about writing as child.
That being said, be warned that pynchon is still a very difficult and very dense author and you won't have a stroll. Be well prepared for giant adenoids and shit eating, he likes to challenge the resolve of the reader.

>> No.18639714

>>18639346
A great deal. You did not get the Stencil as quickchange artist chapter and that threw you off for the rest. This chapter is Stencil going over what he knows about the V. mystery and filling in the details he does not know, sort of just fantasizing about the whole lot.

>> No.18640481

>>18639649
Other than GR then, what's the best to start with? Not that it's essential. I like building up to an author's biggest/best work. Makes it fun for me.

>> No.18640743

>>18640481
Lot 49 is generally seen as the intro work seeing as it's so much shorter than everything else he ever did. I personally really like it, but then again there are people who love his other stuff and hate Lot 49, for some reason.

>> No.18640745

>>18638728
Really? I just finished it and, though I didnt LOVE it, I enjoyed it moderately and never felt bored. The ending was witty, if lackluster.