/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18623018]

The Iliad>The Aeneid>The Odyssey

[Anonymous No.18623024]

>>18623018
Based and honor-pilled.
Based and duty-pilled would have swapped Iliad and Aeneid.

[Anonymous No.18623051]

>>18623018
Is this blowjacks face of defeat when he gets this so wrong?
Yeah. What a dipshit.
>>18623024
Wow. King of dipshits here.

[Anonymous No.18623056]

Iliad>Aeneid books 1-6>Odyssey>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aeneid books 7-12

[Anonymous No.18623065]

>>18623051
Let me guess, you just LOVE the Odyssey because of it's fun adventures?

[Anonymous No.18623068]

>>18623024
>>18623051
>>18623056
You are all wrong.

[Anonymous No.18623078]

>>18623065
Partly because of the complexity of the characters and storyline, partly because of my dislike of honorific bromance bullshitery.
Odysseus is a proto-bully king, but he’s a forgivable scoundrel. The others are just a couple of football teams

[Anonymous No.18623082]

Percy Jackson > gay old shit

[Anonymous No.18623089]

>>18623078
>>18623082
You must be at least 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.18623091]

>>18623065
I love the Odyssey because it is about chix and Illiad isn’t nearly gay enough

Also my dad went out to get cigarettes when I was two and didn’t come back and it would be great if he came back and me and he could kill all the men who fuck my mother.

[Anonymous No.18623096]

>>18623078
The Iliad is far more complex than the Odyssey, if you thought the Iliad was just muh honor you really missed the point.

[Anonymous No.18623098]

>>18623089
Give your age, crypto fascist

[Anonymous No.18623102]

>>18623091
based

[Anonymous No.18623112]

>>18623018
Iliad
>Waaah someone else raped the woman I wanted to rape, muh kleos :(
Odyssey
>I must return to my beloved home and wife, braving gods and goddesses and monsters on the way
Aeneid
>Out of the ashes of my civilization, I must rise to create the next one, sacrificing those whom I love for this greater goal. I will walk through the gate of dreams to realize my own.

Aeneid > Odyssey >>>> Iliad

[Anonymous No.18623118]

>>18623068
How do you rate them, anon?

[Anonymous No.18623140]

>>18623098
38.

[Anonymous No.18623149]

>>18623018
The Aeneid > The Iliad > The Oddysey

[Anonymous No.18623165]

>>18623140
You’re younger than me.

[Anonymous No.18623173]

The Aeneid is worse than either of the Homeric works because of how utterly derivative it is. Virgil blatantly lifts entire scenes of the poem from both the Odyssey and the Iliad.

Samuel Johnson goes on about this more than once. He points out that Virgil, in particular, lifts the scene with Dido in the underworld directly from the scene in the Odyssey when Odysseus encounters the shade of Ajax.

[Anonymous No.18623196]

>>18623112
Yes Achilles overreacted did you miss the rest of the poem

[Anonymous No.18623218]

>>18623165
No kidding? Glad that I'm not the only person here who isn't in his early/mid 20s.

[Anonymous No.18624010]

>>18623051
>>18623078
>>18623098
>>18623165
good, now keep your trip off

[Anonymous No.18624022]

>>18623018
It's all repetitive garbage and you're all wrong. You never even stand next to the truth.

[Anonymous No.18624164]

Literally none of you have read the works in their original language.

Since I have only read parts of the Aeneid in the original I will have to put it above the ancient greek texts.

Aeneid>Illiad>Odyssey

[Anonymous No.18624168]

>>18623018
Beowulf >>>>>>>>>>> all Mediterranean shit

[Anonymous No.18624173]

>>18624164
i can only read american

[Anonymous No.18624222]

>>18623173
I mean, yeah. It's basically good fanfic, but still fanfic at the end of the day. Virgil simply cannot compare to Homer. No one can.

[Anonymous No.18624860]

>>18623018
I liked illiad but it seemed like it was just a book about a war that started over some chick, the description of battles were cool and the gods scheming and shit talking was fun to read but I didn’t feel like it changed my life. Am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.18625029]

>>18624860
I'm not insulting you but it boggles my mind to think people can read the Iliad and only get the battles and the bickering gods from it.

Now this is all personal, I'm not a scholar this is just how I feel.

There are many reasons I love the Iliad , it's a story about what it means to be human; Achilles embodies humanity with all its aspects taken to the extreme. One of my favorite chapters is the Shield of Achilles where we see the cycle of life itself emblazoned on his shield, the relationship between war and peace not only in Achilles but in all of us.

Speaking of war and peace, I love how Homer both deplores and glorifies war, brutal killings and honor abound but we get the stories of many who are killed, parents who will never see them return and loved ones left behind.

Then we have fate in the tragic characters of Achilles and Hector. For much of the poem Achilles (in addition to raging and causing the calamity that is pretty much the entire Iliad) is musing that this war isn't worth his prophesied death, he longs for home and to see his father. This is also portrayed with Thetis, his loving mother who wants to embrace her son at home, away from this war. When he kills Hector, he knows his death is soon after (the prophecy being after Hector's death Achilles will soon follow),

Speaking of Hector, he knows Troy will fall, he doesn't fight for glory, he fights for his home. The scenes with Hector and Andromache in Book 6 are some of the best in the entire work, the reader knows Troy is going to fall. his son will die Andromanche will become a slave which creates a sense of tragedy throughout the whole poem. Hector is fated to die, as is Troy. Hector's death represents the inevitable fall of Troy.

And of course this all culminates in Achilles redemption, finding his humanity in his classic scene with Priam.

Back to the whole rage thing, I feel there is an admirable quality to Achilles rage, he will not bow to a dishonorable king like everyone else, he stands for his beliefs. He was even invoked by Socrates at his trial. He takes it too far but at the same time he doesn't cowtow like the rest of the Acheans, he is independent, his own man.

Sorry if this was scattered, it's very late but this some things I loved about it. There is more but I need to go to bed.

[Anonymous No.18625145]

>>18623065
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18625810]

defend your points kiddos and alcoholic trash, this board seems just people talking without saying anything only le funny memes

[Anonymous No.18625982]

>>18623018
Correct.

[Anonymous No.18626147]

The Margites > The Iliad >The Odyssey

[Anonymous No.18626172]

> LoTR > Odyssey

t. Plath

what did she mean by this lads

[Anonymous No.18627825]

>>18623082
what were those books even abt, i remember all the pseud nerds in like 6th and 7th grade talking abt it

[Anonymous No.18627947]

>>18623173
You cannot measure the worth of ancient poets by holding them to our modern notions of originality. Imitation back then was seen in a wholly positive light as it takes a remarkably skilled poet to imbue an already told scenario with new meaning and values. Case in point Aeneas and Dido: it was not hackery or the hope that no one would notice the similarities with Homer that induced Virgil to include that scene (and I trust you hold him in high enough esteem as to think him capable at least of modifying the episode somewhat), but the knowlege that his readers would notice and thus focus on what differed; whence they would apreciate the ability of the poet in retelling the story in his own style and the message he was trying to convey: it is no longer pride that pitches two heroes against eachother and sends one spiraling to his self-inflicted doom, but love that does the same to two rulers. The poet is removing the obsolete baggage of homeric morality and substituting it with the then much more relevant and quinquessetialy roman clash of one's particular desires with his duties towards his people; this sort of exquisitely literary operation is what makes Virgil great and in a way incomparable with Homer, whatever lay behind that name, whose ability is in the sheer power of his verse, which makes Virgil's poised elegance appear meek and mediocre if one does not care to look at what hides behind it.

[Anonymous No.18627979]

>>18623173
You cannot measure the worth of ancient poets by holding them to our modern notions of originality. Imitation back then was seen in a wholly positive light as it takes a remarkably skilled poet to imbue an already told scenario with new meaning and values. Case in point Aeneas and Dido: it was not hackery or the hope that no one would notice the similarities with Homer that induced Virgil to include that scene (and I trust you hold him in high enough esteem as to think him capable at least of modifying the episode somewhat), but the knowlege that his readers would notice and thus focus on what differed; whence they would apreciate the ability of the poet in retelling the story in his own style and the message he was trying to convey: it is no longer pride that pitches two heroes against eachother and sends one spiraling to his self-inflicted doom, but love that does the same to two rulers. The poet is removing the obsolete baggage of homeric morality and substituting it with the then much more relevant and quintessetialy roman clash of one's particular desires with his duties towards his people; this sort of exquisitely literary operation is what makes Virgil great and in a way incomparable with Homer, whatever lay behind that name, whose ability is in the sheer power of his verse, which makes Virgil's poised elegance appear meek and mediocre if one does not care to look at what hides behind it.

[Anonymous No.18627992]

>>18627825
Demigod son of Poseidon has to do hero shit. Was honestly a good intro to Greek mythology as a kid

[Anonymous No.18628067]

should the Aeneid be my introduction to roman lit? already read Iliad/Odyssey but other than Vitruvius and some Aurelius I've read no romans

[Anonymous No.18628086]

>>18625029
Screencaped

[Anonymous No.18628477]

>>18625029
>Back to the whole rage thing, I feel there is an admirable quality to Achilles rage

>The first word of the Illiad is "Menin", Wrath.
>"Sing o Goddess, the Wrath of Achilles", we read in the first paragraph of the first narration of European Culture. Wrath can be Sang here because it supports, structures, animates and vivifies.
>It's the Heroic medium per excelence of Action.
>The Illiad is a Song of Wrath. This Wrath is narrative, Epic, because it produces determined actions.

>In this it distinguishes itself from Anger as an effect from waves of indignation.
>Digital Indignation cannot be Sung. It is not capable of action nor narration; it's an afective state that does not develop any powerfull force of action. General distraction, that charecterizes society of today, does not allow the flourishing of the epic energy of Wrath.
>Wrath, in its enfatic sense, is more than an afective state. It is a capacity to interrupt an existing state and make a new state. the present indignant multitude is very disperse. It lacks Mass, gravitas, that is neccesary for action.

>It does not give brith to any Future.
Byung Chul Han - In the Swarm ; Page 22.

[Anonymous No.18629521]

>>18628086
>>18628477
>someone decides to be honest and not pretentious
>/lit/ shits on them

[Anonymous No.18630295]

>>18624860
Its not about the reason behind the war, that's irrelevant

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>>18623018
>Le masturbationjack

Gawd, I hate these things.

[Anonymous No.18630840]

@18630310
you were already in this thread without a trip and it went so well