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18621852 No.18621852 [Reply] [Original]

>Look at how popular the Lord of the Rings is and the film version of it, which is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things. But Wagner is the real artist, and Tolkien a kind of second-rate populariser and yet Tolkien is happily accepted by the mass of mankind today.

>> No.18621860

>>18621852
What a giga boomer thing to say.

>> No.18621868

>>18621852
Scruton was a Thatcherite faggot who loathed anyone genuinely hostile to liberalism.

>> No.18621870

>>18621852
Didn't he also say that anything that pervaded the popular imagination as much as Harry Potter had to have some kind of quality?

>> No.18622502

>>18621870
He was right.

>> No.18622512
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>>18621852
Wagner is such shit lmao
Romanticism was a mistake

>> No.18622523

>>18621852
Based Bong

>> No.18622528

>>18621852
Wagner didn't write the Kalevala

>> No.18622662

>>18621852
Beware of elevator music and enthusiastic cunnigulis, those are the two worst nightmares for real conservatives.

>> No.18622690

>>18621852
The books are completely different from the movies, and saying the novels are Wagnerian trash because the film trilogy, which have been shot 28 years after the author's death, are bombastic is disingenuous. God, why do people listen to limp-wristed neocons?

>> No.18622718

>>18621852
So uninteresting to flex on the masses. Yeah the peasants don't get the high brow things like meee WOW what a revelation. I would hope you have a more sophisticated taste if you get paid to get that opportunity, rather then someone laboring 9 to 5 for example who has never had any deeper cultural exposure.

>> No.18622809

>>18622502
regardless of if he was right about that, doesn't that directly contradict what OP quoted?

>> No.18622891

>>18622528
This.

This Scrotum dude is a pseud. Stop bringing him up

>> No.18622894

>>18621852
Exact same bait thread posted yesterday. Why?

>> No.18622954

>>18622809
Where did he say Lord of the Rings didn't have quality?

>> No.18623212
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>>18621852
I just had a dream where I was in a forest with a grey dog. It was missing its lower jaw. I take some dirt from the ground and I model it roughly and I fix the dog's mouth. When I look up, the dog is now Viggo Mortensen, and by Viggo Mortensen I really mean Aragorn. He smiles a bit and I hug him and I start crying and I say "dad".
I woke up crying, too. I'm still crying actually. That shit wrecked me. I hated my father and I always anted a real one.

>> No.18623302
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>>18621852
>"Mom, can I go to see a performance of Der Ring des Nibelungen at the city opera?"
>"No, Timmy, We have Der Ring des Nibelungen at home."
>Der Ring des Nibelungen at home

>> No.18623315

>>18621852
just looks like a complete virgin

>> No.18623319

>>18623315
women/tranny insult

>> No.18623329

>>18623319
virgins are the women of the male gender

>> No.18623347
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18623347

>>18623315

>> No.18623868

>>18621868
>Scruton was a Thatcherite
Sauce?

>> No.18623981

>>18621852
I'd argue the film version of it was what popularized it and made it more easily and passivly consumed. Not that it was inhenrently degenerate. Still an interesting observation made by him.
>>18621868
He wasn't. He in fact opposed most of her policies. I nonetheless disagree with Scruton on most economic issues.
>>18622512
Wagner is a Modernist.
>>18622718
>admiting that democritazition of literature is bad
is this the power of lefties...?

>> No.18624179

>>18623212
what the fuck does this mean? it felt so biblical
was Aragorn actually Jesus?

>> No.18624240

>>18621852
>which is full of a kind of degenerate version of the Wagnerian approach to things
Remove the adjectives from this sentence, and you get: >which is full of a kind of version of an approach to things.
I don't think this Scruton fellow should be criticizing anyone else's writing.

>> No.18624254

>>18624240
I wouldn't trust the writing of anyone whose name sounds like Scrotum, desu

>> No.18624258

>>18621852
Based.
>>18622512
Wagner isn't a Romanticist twittertranny.

>> No.18624262

>>18624240
It's a quote from a video, and he's not criticising Tolkien's writing style.

>> No.18624269

>>18622528
>>18622891
>N-No I swear the ring was coincidental!!!!

>> No.18624272

>>18623302
Funny

>> No.18624345
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18624345

Since we're talking about Tolkien's writing, what do you guys think of Wagner's? Does it live up to the equality of word and music espoused in the Gesamtkunstwerk?

Pic related is from Nietzsche.

>> No.18624458

>>18621868
>Scruton
>Thatcherite

Are you joking?

>> No.18624872

>>18624345
The problem with judging Wagner's poetry is that you never know whether it's good or it's just good within the musical and visual context. Especially more literary moments like the following:

https://youtu.be/ZiqkO2upJKI?t=5042