Christopher Langan

[Anonymous No.18605576]

Does this guy really have a 200 IQ? His writing has been appearing a lot on other boards, all prefaced with a reminder about his claimed 200 IQ. The claim doesn't appear completely without basis -- there was an ABC investigation with some psychologist giving a nod of some form -- but as intriguing as I find the guy, something just "feels" off about the story.

[Anonymous No.18605583]

>>18605576
If Paul were in front of me right now I would very likely shoot him repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.18605591]

I read some of his stuff and yes he's high IQ. Not sure how reliable are IQ figures over 140, but he's in the "has plenty of intelligence" camp.

The problem is people don't understand epistemology, so they think all people converge to the same ideas using rationality. This is obviously dumb.

[Anonymous No.18605594]

[Anonymous No.18606553]

>>18605576
Why does he always look like he just realized he shat himself.

[Anonymous No.18606571]

>>18605576
>200 IQ. The claim doesn't appear completely without basis -- there was an ABC investigation with some psychologist giving a nod of some form
That can't happen. 200 is the maximum limit of the curve, and there's a retest score of about half an SD that comes off every time you take the test. Death row inmates retake the test to get the automatic deduction and their sentence commuted to life.

[Anonymous No.18607950]

>>18605576
Yes. He is the only person alive I would consider a philosopher too imo. The only fault I can find with his philosophy is that he never justifies the principle of sufficient reason when using it to argue for the telic principle.

[Anonymous No.18608075]

>>18607950

[Anonymous No.18608233]

He writes more like a 130. He gets shilled because he's a /pol/tard and supposedly a super genius, which is validating for them.

[Anonymous No.18608260]

>>18605576
He gives of manipulative narcissist vibes. I'd quit worrying about iq wank and just read his work to determine if he's legit.

[Anonymous No.18608286]

>>18605576
>>18605594
The overlap of IQ scores and intelligence is not absolute. IQ is about processing speed and problem solving too a certain level. It doesn't get at some important elements of intelligence, such as creativity or ability to read people.

Based on this example here, it appears doing really well on a test that isn't particularly useful for the upper bounds anyhow as turned him into a Dunning-Krueger monster, thinking simply reading on any topic makes him an expert because he did good on a test.

People like Manichean narratives about a coordinated big bad evil because it is simple and it means there are simple solutions. The truth is, any serious student of history of person who has spent a lot of time working on government knows that no one is really in charge. Shit happens out of extremely diffuse causes with myriad actors.

Richfags getting one over on people is generally the case, but it isn't like TV shows where they snap their fingers and things go their way. They have resources to have lots of intelligent creative people try to solve their problems, and obviously this will tend to work for you. It's better seen as a system of positive feedback loops than as a conspiracy.

The GRE is honestly probably more relevant than IQ because it measures intellect in actual use with more advanced concepts. Subject matter tests are more important for expertise in a subject. No amount of intelligence lets you just walk through problems without study. It took generations of geniuses to build up our mathematical knowledge, no one just thought it up because they were smart.

[Anonymous No.18608304]

>>18608286
I'm guilty of the same thing. I got a perfect score on all parts of the GRE without studying so I assumed I would be able to read the Phenomenology with just Googling a few terms and doing a bit of background work, despite everyone telling me it required tons of background.

Several books of prep work and buying a paragraph by paragraph commentary I .now making headway after being absolutely BTFO by Hegel.

[Anonymous No.18608349]

>>18608286
The wealthy do coordinate especially on economic policy through business associations, chamber of commerce, PAC's and so on. The fact they have underlings and intermediaries to work out the details is irrelevant. Also, America is an IQ based meritocracy, or IQ is at least necessary if not sufficient for success, or else you can't really explain % Ashkenazi billionaires without recourse to conspiracy theory anyway.

Terrence Tao is a Hillshill, and he has more actual notable accomplishments than Langan who has only produced his dumb Hegel style theory of everything. The incredibly bright can still have a retarded political persuasion. I bet you think you're highly intelligent while being a Marxist or some other midwit shit as a case in point.

[Anonymous No.18608351]

>>18608286
>Richfags getting one over on people is generally the case, but it isn't like TV shows where they snap their fingers and things go their way. They have resources to have lots of intelligent creative people try to solve their problems, and obviously this will tend to work for you. It's better seen as a system of positive feedback loops than as a conspiracy.

Ironically it's the people who've put a lot of faith on the functionality and efficiency of government to bring "positive social change etc" and wish for it to be bigger and more powerful who are at the same time afraid that a single evil plan can form flawlessly to fuck them over.

In a way they are right because the more power you hand over to bureaucrats and politicians the easier it is for them to ruin millions of lives, but it's not because they're perfectly coordinated schemers, it's because they're literally retarded and utterly worthless at managing anything more complicated than a handshake.

The only exception to this I can think of are central banking systems (like the FED and ECB) who entertain a great amount of control and propaganda makers.

[Anonymous No.18608427]

>>18608349
I've worked in government too long to have an ideology. The best you can hope for is competent leadership with a decent moral compass. People big on ideology tend to act like fucking morons and ignore facts that belie their ideology.

That's why the best practice is having a fairly independent, merit based civil service. People should vote for a small panel to appoint a cheif executive based on merit, like the city manager system which has been shown to work far better than popular mayoral management.

Voters are generally dumb and short sighted and should be kept two layers away from policy, buy still need a way to remove leaders from power fairly easily, on a regular basis to punish them for bad performance. We do this all the time at the local/county level, and then have a culture war shit show at the national level.

[Anonymous No.18608445]

>>18608349
America HAD an IQ based meritocracy in the post WWII era as tons of upwardly mobile Boomers went to college and jumped into an expanding pool of high skill jobs. Colleges acted like a genetic sifter for high IQ, sure, but you have to recall regression to the mean.

Social mobility started tanking in the 1980s and meritocracy is going to shit, getting fucked on the left by muh POC deserve spots even if they preformed far below other candidates, and on the right by policies that cause soaring inequality and allow those who are already rich to crowd out competition.

[Anonymous No.18608485]

>>18605576
Amazingly there was very little public criticism of Langan until he began overtly criticised the chosen demonic servants of Yahweh the destroyer.

[Anonymous No.18608494]

>>18608427
Centrist pragmatism is still ideological, the status quo it upholds is in fact incredibly extreme as we're nose diving into several existential level crises completely unprepared. Your ideological error is thinking it's all going to be fine if we just tinker with democracy.

[Anonymous No.18608503]

>>18608075
So if he rejects external ground (which if youre intellectually honest, you have to) then he does away with a hard principle of sufficient reason. I don’t know how that effects the other anons problem bcuz I don’t know what a telic principal is. Sounds like hegel tho

[Anonymous No.18608803]

>>18608445
Well said

[Anonymous No.18608847]

He's He's uniroic idiot

[Anonymous No.18609065]

>>18608445
Very good post

[Anonymous No.18609082]

>>18608349
>Langan, smartest person alive
>/pol/tard
>Tao, 2nd smartest person alive
>Hillshill
intelligence really is overrated, huh?

[Anonymous No.18609093]

*solves philosophy*

[Anonymous No.18609106]

>>18609093
It's over

[Anonymous No.18609199]

>>18605594
is that image real?
if yes, then holy christ he's a retard..LMAO
thanks i guess, for bursting this IQ myth...JESUS WHAT A NUTCASE....AAHAHAHAHAHAHA

pls be real
pls be real

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hes not smart, hes just autistic

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>>18608349
>Also, America is an IQ based meritocracy

absolute fucking dumb nigger mutt cope

[Anonymous No.18609250]

>is that image real?
>if yes, then holy christ he's a retard..LMAO
>thanks i guess, for bursting this IQ myth...JESUS WHAT A NUTCASE....AAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>pls be real
>pls be real

[Anonymous No.18610063]

Here's the problem: Anyone whose entire marketable identity centers on being high-IQ will need to take a standardized test at some point under clinical conditions to establish credibility. But are there even standardized tests that can measure a 200 IQ? In any event, nothing actually prevents someone from obtaining the testing material beforehand and mastering it. Nowadays you can find leaked material on subs like /r/CognitiveTesting, but it's always been possible to obtain the testing material one way or another. The tests assume good-faith actors who are aiming for self-understanding and possible psychological intervention. They can't stop someone gaming the system to fake a high IQ (which would require probably only a 120+ IQ to pull off) any more than they can stop someone deliberately going for wrong answers.

[Anonymous No.18610072]

>>18605594
holy based.... truly a fountain of wisdom

[Anonymous No.18610142]

>>18609093
"If you don't agree with me you're wrong."
lol

[Anonymous No.18610170]

>>18610142
Truly to escapeLangan involves an exact appreciation of the price we have to pay to detach ourselves from him. It assumes that we are aware of the extent to whichLangan, insidiously perhaps, is close to us; it implies a knowledge, in that which permits us to think againstLangan, of that which remainsLanganian.

[Anonymous No.18610177]

>>18609082
Tao is great, but he's not a Gauss, Euler, or Ramanujan in his time.
Besides, I read one of his political blog posts, and it seemed to me that he was more anti-Trump than pro-Hillary. Political values aren't reducible to formal logic, and for some political values, Trump was the wrong choice, just as for other political values he was the right choice (or so it would appear -- many conservatives are wondering whether Trump's weakness and inability to play counteroffense, his Twitter whining, his boosting of complacency LARPs, and so forth might have allowed the left to gain more ground during his term outside SCOTUS than they could have with Hillary).

[Anonymous No.18610274]

>>18610177
Trump is a pure narcissistic personality disorder case and that's clear as day if you've ever dealt with one. Conservatives are rubes for falling for it and no one should take them seriously ever again.

[Anonymous No.18610435]

>>18610274
Yeah, that was clear from day one, but I think many were surprised by how badly he was outplayed at every turn, always having to play defense. His 2016 campaign did show a modicum of executive street smarts, but then the first thing he did upon taking office was hand the Dems full control of his DOJ while he was on Twitter whining about CNN coverage of his crowd sizes and beefing with has-been celebs. Then it was one mistake after another while MAGAtards were jerking off about
"4D chess" and "optics king." We saw what an "optics king" he was when he was screaming "STOP COUNTING VOTES" on Twitter while Biden was calmly tweeting "Count every vote." And then, losing because of misplaced priorities, incompetence, and weakness, his sore-loser ass egged on Jan 6, which has been the gift that keeps on giving for Dems.

[Anonymous No.18610474]

>>18610435
I'm aware of his failures I'm just not sure what they were expecting from a man who believes in nothing but whatever his ego demands of him in any given moment.

[Anonymous No.18611158]

>>18610435
I was really surprised by the last election. I dunno I just got the feeling that Trump didn't really care much, but man the absolute tantrum he threw from election day to inauguration was ridiculous. If I weren't here I wouldn't have believed it

[Anonymous No.18611168]

>>18605576
He's an average joe who's done a great job marketing himself, but none of his writings make any scientific or philosophical sense. It's just convoluted, circulatory mumbojumbo that most people can't follow at all and aren't meant to.

[Anonymous No.18611186]

>>18605576
>>18608233
denial

>>18606553
>>18605583
>>18608847
anger

>>18606571
>>18608286
>>18610063
>>18610177
bargaining

>>18608427
>>18608445
depression

>>18605591
>>18607950
>>18609082
>>18608349
acceptance

And for bonus points...
>>18608260
projection

>>18608304
delusion

[Anonymous No.18611214]

>>18605576
He seems smart to me, idk about 200 or whatever but he's not a retard or a midwit

[Anonymous No.18611216]

>>18608286
It seems apparent to me that he's farming the adulation he "should have" received throughout his life for being so smart from retarded facebook boomers by just telling them the portions of his thinking that they want to hear. For instance, telling them that he has mathematical 'proof' that god exists despite it having absolutely no resemblance to the judeo-christian god the people following him imagine.

[Anonymous No.18611222]

>>18610170
this post is scary

[Anonymous No.18611225]

>>18605576
IQ is not
>Rationality
>Correctness
>Integrity
>Legibility
>Achievement
>Wise
>Full of knowledge
IQ IS
>How fast you learn new things

[Anonymous No.18611229]

>>18605594
>Malthusian argument Anno Domini 2021

[Anonymous No.18611233]

>>18611225
now, let's discuss correlation

[Anonymous No.18611281]

>>18610072
>holy based.... truly a fountain of wisdom

[Anonymous No.18611323]

>>18611229
Only redditors think it's invalid. Malthus has always been right, but merely delayed under present circumstances.