/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18580138]

>dude Provenzal poetry lmao
what a fucking hipster

[Anonymous No.18581671]

>>18580138
he was right though, Dante knew this

[Anonymous No.18581705]

>>18581671
Dante know what? He defended his own Tuscan language over Provenzal.

[Anonymous No.18583327]

>>18580138
Any regional poetry has undeniable charm over "mainstream" poetry even if it is a bit hipster

[Anonymous No.18583336]

>>18583327
Provenzal was mainstream in its day retard

[Anonymous No.18583376]

>>18583336
WRONG

[Anonymous No.18583511]

>>18583336
A few nobles and a few outcasts whose works were mainly compiled exclusively for other nobles at their request, and then buried in monasteries for 300 years. Real blockbusters.

[Anonymous No.18583516]

>>18583336
Yes it was. Romance languages weren't as divergent as they are now. Provenzal poets were highly influential and if you spoke your own language, you practically knew Provenzal, akin to the marginal difference between European and Brazilian Portuguese.

[Anonymous No.18583527]

lol OP got owned

[Anonymous No.18583529]

>>18583376
No, he's right. Provençal poetry was mainstream in its day.

[Anonymous No.18583544]

>>18583527
By who?
>>18583511
There is something called the Golden Age of Occitan literarature which is basically just poetry, so yes, it was pretty popular and influential.

[Anonymous No.18583557]

>>18583516

If it's not obscure then Pound wasn't a hipster

>>18581705

He meant Dante, like many Itlain poets, adopted forms introduced to them through Provencal poets (ballade, canso) and were inspired to write in vernacular at all (rather than a particular vernacular.)

[Anonymous No.18583559]

This has become a popular topic because of BAP mentioning it a month ago hasnt it?

Anyway, are there any good collections of provenzal poetry translated to english or do I unironcially have to learn french, then learn a dialect of french?

[Anonymous No.18583562]

>>18583376

It was mainstream in the 1100s, 1200s and early 1300s. All the way from Santiago de Compostela to Rome you had people singing in Occitan.

[Anonymous No.18583563]

>>18583557
There is a difference between the present and the past. Provençal poetry was popular in its day but today it's pretty hipsterish to be into it. I believe only specialists study it.

[Anonymous No.18583568]

>>18583559
>This has become a popular topic because of BAP mentioning it a month ago hasnt it?
What? No, I have never read any meme book by twitter authors. I was reading Pound's ABC of Reading and he can't shut up about Provenzal poetry.

[Anonymous No.18583583]

>>18583568
Oh fair, BAP mentioned (so I hear, I'm not a fan) provenzal poetry as some kind of civilisation high water mark the other day and I've seen more interest of /lit/ since then. I'm probably just seeing it more now I've been made aware of the trend.

[Anonymous No.18583593]

>>18583557
>He meant Dante, like many Itlain poets, adopted forms introduced to them through Provencal poets (ballade, canso) and were inspired to write in vernacular at all (rather than a particular vernacular.)
Dante was inspired to write in his own language as a reaction against Occitan poetry's popularity in Italy.

[Anonymous No.18584323]

>>18580138
Pound has a kino face.

[Anonymous No.18584397]

Anyone knows good sources to learn occitan?

[Anonymous No.18584509]

>>18583583
>(so I hear, I'm not a fan)
Lmao could you be more of a passive aggressive faggot?

[Anonymous No.18584532]

>>18583544
by ez the pez

[Anonymous No.18585231]

If you don't look interesting you're not interesting.

[Anonymous No.18585537]

bump.

[Anonymous No.18586461]

>>18585231
t. lookistfag

[Anonymous No.18587790]

Poundians rise up.

Op is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.18587873]

where do I start with Provenzal poetry

[Anonymous No.18587883]

Pound was a proto-Instagram poet so yeah that's not surprising

[Anonymous No.18588476]

>>18580138
Makes sense. He was a romancelanguageboo during undergrad.

[Anonymous No.18588494]

>>18588476
romancephile*

[Anonymous No.18588500]

>>18587790
Can I pound your ass?

[Anonymous No.18588955]

>>18587883
This he is literally Rumi Shakira

[Anonymous No.18588960]

>>18587883
I didn't know Instagram poets had reached the heights of the Cantos.

[Anonymous No.18588997]

Rec me some occitan poetry bros

[Anonymous No.18589713]

>>18587883
No, that's Whitman.

[Anonymous No.18589722]

>>18588997
Get that NYRB anthology.

[Anonymous No.18589737]

>>18589713
No, that's Dickinson.

[Anonymous No.18590075]

>>18589737
Nah, it's Walt Whitman.

[Anonymous No.18590090]

>>18583559
>Anyway, are there any good collections of provenzal poetry translated to english or do I unironcially have to learn french, then learn a dialect of french?
JUST LEARN PROVENÇAL
>>18588997
I hope you know Old Occitan
http://www.rialto.unina.it/BdT.htm

[Anonymous No.18590102]

>>18590075
Actually it's Pound.

[Anonymous No.18590114]

>>18590090
good me-me

[Anonymous No.18590128]

Farai un vers de dreyt nien :
Non er de mi ni d’autra gen,
Non er d’amor ni de joven,
Ni de ren au,
Qu’enans fo trobatz en durmen
Sobre chevau.

No sai en quai hora.m fuy natz :
No suy alegres ni iratz,
No suy estrayns ni sui privatz,
Ni no.n puesc au,
Qu’enaissi fuy de nueitz fadatz,
Sobr’ un pueg au.

No sai qu’ora.m suy endurmitz
Ni quora.m velh, s’om no m’o ditz.
Per pauc no m’es lo cor partitz
D’un dol corau ;
E no m’o pretz una soritz
Pei sanh Marsau !

Malautz suy e cre mi murir,
E ren no.n sai mas quan n’aug dir :
Metge querrai al mieu albir,
E no sai cau ;
Bos metges er si.m pot guérir,
Mas non, si amau.

Amigu’ ai ieu, no sai qui s’es,
Qu’anc non la vi, si m’ajut fes ;
Ni.m fes que.m plassa ni que.m pes,
Ni no m’en eau,
Qu’anc non ac Norman ni Frances
Dins mon ostau.

Anc non la vi et am la fort,
Anc no n’aic dreyt ni no.m fes tort ;
Quan non la vey, be m’en déport,
No.m pretz un jau,
Qu’ie.n sai gensor e bellazor,
E que mais vau.

Fag’ai lo vers, no say de cuy ;
E trametrai lo a selhuy
Que lo.m trametra per autruy
Lay ves Anjau,
Que.m tramezes del sieu estuy
La contraclau.