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Am I misinterpreting Analytical Philosophy or have I really just spent years of my life reading from the Greeks to Hegel only to learn that they could all be shown to be mistaken with some letters and symbols?

>> No.18579427

yep, time to accept it and learn to cope

>> No.18579433

>>18579404
>18579404
about 95% of analytical philsophers are failed scientists using fake math because they were too dumb for the real thing

>> No.18579436

>>18579404
If you accept the verification principle (which was never well formulated). For the most part Hegel and shit weren't wrong they just had different definitions of knowledge

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>>18579404
>have I really just spent years of my life reading from the Greeks to Hegel only to learn that they could all be shown to be mistaken with some letters and symbols?

>> No.18580725

>>18580711
???

>> No.18580740

>>18579404
By reading these philosophers you arent learning a singular answer to a singular question but instead learning many answers to one question that is the basis of all questions. You're also learning to think.

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>>18579404
Positivism is gay and bourgeois

>> No.18580745

>>18579404
>have I really just spent years of my life reading from the Greeks to Hegel
No, you haven't.

>> No.18580890

>>18580711
>i fucking love science
>logo includes a nuke going off

>> No.18580914

>>18580743
How many of the people pictured above were actually positivists?

>> No.18580938

>>18580914
Analytic philosophy is grounded in positivist principles

>> No.18580942

>>18580914
the truth is that analytic philosophy has always been positivist

>> No.18580952

>>18580938
>>18580942
>this is the power of the "historicist" method of doing philosophy

>> No.18580977

Continental philosophy is just literature. Analytic philosophy is the only real philosophy that there is.

>> No.18581061

>>18580952
>durr ideas just spring from nothing and have no connection to each other

>> No.18581106

>>18581061
It's certainly the better alternative if the people advocating for a historicist method have a tendency to be completely ignorant of, deliberately misunderstand, or arbitrary with their selections in the history of philosophy.
>>18580977
You could probably say that about someone like Hegel, Lacan, or Derrida, but I don't think the same about someone like Husserl.

>> No.18582694

>>18580711
Disproven by based science

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIss

>> No.18582807

>>18581106
Hegel and Derrida make legit arguments though.

Analytical philosophy seems to fall into the problem of denying that things that they can't properly fit into their analysis necissarily don't exist, and that doesn't seem to be true.

It sort of reminds me of a quote on science I read to the effect of "we use simplified mathematical models of things for science not because we know so much, but because we know so little. We are forced to reduce the objects of our study down to what is easily mathematically quantifiable because we lack the tools for other avenues of analysis."

It might have been put better. This seems true for social sciences to be sure, tons of detail is boiled out of economics to make it fit models, and then the models don't predict correctly because detail has been left out, but this is true even of physics since, at a small enough level, we don't even know what material and physical forces are.

Same holds for analytical philosophy vis-a-vis things like semiotics.

>> No.18582845

>>18579427
fpbp

>> No.18582853

>>18579436
>accept the verification principle
the verification principle cannot be verified. it begs the question

>> No.18582867

>>18580914
only one, really. L.W. was more of a mystic. Russell and Frege were Logicists. Quine was a pragmatist empericist, idk who bottom left is, PF Strawson? didn't really have a definitive doctrine, as far as i'm aware. Carnap was the only one who explicitly advocated positivism .

>> No.18582872

>>18582694
based kropotkinite biologist.

>> No.18582941

>>18579404
Very good book. Analytic philosophy is about reason, arguments (chains of inferences), and exactness. It has nothing to do with muh positivism you crancky ignorants.There's bad analytic philosophy of course, a lot of it but lurk more