/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18574893]

Adventure begins Edition

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[Anonymous No.18574907]

[Anonymous No.18574924]

I just finished The Unholy Consult

Why didn't any sorcerer react to the fact the Carapace had no chorae? Any one of them could have pulverized it.

Did Bakker really kill Serwa and Kayutas offscreen? Don't see how they could escape the Horde.

I hear Bakker claimed this works as the overall ending. Does he really have the balls to have the next two books be about the No-God exterminating humanity?

Was that the Heron Spear or did the Dunyain built a replica? Either way, how dumb was it no one made a rush for it after Kellhus dropped it.

About those Dunyain, I want the story of how they took over the Consult. It's quite the stretch that they managed to turn a millenia old hypersadistic alien into a gibbering wreck.

[Anonymous No.18574989]

>>18574893
>>18574907
>>18574924
btfo

[Anonymous No.18575011]

I hate genre fiction so much its unreal

[Anonymous No.18575042]

>>18574766
>>18574850
it's a proof not all reviews are worth paying attention to

[Anonymous No.18575058]

>Yes, Akka?

[Anonymous No.18575080]

BRO YOU CAN'T JUDGE WOMEN, ONLY MEN

[Anonymous No.18575237]

>>18575011
What are you doing here?

[Anonymous No.18575246]

>>18575011
Why?

[Anonymous No.18575258]

>>18575011
Bugger off. Genre fiction is the only worthwhile fiction. Explain to me the point of literary fiction. It's neither fish nor fowl. Why wouldn't you rather read non-fiction instead? If you are merely intrigued by reading reflections about the human condition, pick up appropriate philosophical treatises or biographies of actual people. Fiction is only worth reading if it delves straight into the fantastical, unreal and impossible.

[Anonymous No.18575271]

>>18575258
the value of a metaphor is not exhausted by a literal explanation of it

[Anonymous No.18575273]

What is genre fiction? Obvious ESL

I would just like to understand how you categorize different genres and authors.

Like, what's the difference between fiction and fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18575280]

>>18574924
Serwe meta-gnoses her brother from the field, collapses. Kayutas has a trial-by-fire to save them both, and either fails (and dies/has a breakdown from being unable to control, being listless without his father) or has a spiritual awakening from the hardship. Either way, when all hope is lost and they are about to succumb, Achamian and co arrive, and Serwe is too weak to do anything but survive the rage of the wizard, protecting Kayutas.
Achamian eventually cucks to killing the Despoiler's children, either by Esme's input, or just general cuckery, and they make their way to the Three Seas.

My prediction for how they escape the salt and butchery, anyway.

[Anonymous No.18575295]

>>18575280
*Serwa, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.18575311]

>>18574893
What Gene Wolfe shit is good that isn't Sun Cycle or Wizard Knight? What Jack Vance shit is good that isn't Dying Earth?

[Anonymous No.18575313]

>>18574924
>About those Dunyain, I want the story of how they took over the Consult. It's quite the stretch that they managed to turn a millenia old hypersadistic alien into a gibbering wreck.

I think it would be pretty shocking if you showed the inverse fire to your prisoners and they had a weird reaction. We don't know how the Dunyain would react, we havent seen it, and I think the highly emotion-driven Inchoroi would be particularly susceptible to psychological manipulation.

[Anonymous No.18575354]

>>18574924
The Inchies were never a particularly brilliant or mastermind kind of race. They’re utterly driven by their desires and obsessions. As Kellhus points out, the Inchies themselves are a weapon race, similar to Sranc: genetically engineered warriors designed to heap damnation upon themselves. Would make sense that a Dûnyain, let alone 5, could easily manipulate them in their moribund state. Shauritas is another story, however. Some theorize that Shae transplanted his soul into the 5 Dûnyain and that it’s actually him speaking through them.

[Anonymous No.18575365]

Daily Reminder to keep supporting self-publishing authors to keep Science Fiction and Fantasy Genres alive. Here's a chart to help you decide.

[Anonymous No.18575412]

>>18575365
Thanks anon, just downloaded several of this from zlib.

He's right tho, publishers are full of terrible genre shit these days. Just look at the awards.

[Anonymous No.18575484]

>>18574880

[Anonymous No.18575569]

Fictional violence against women, is REAL violence against women

[Anonymous No.18575576]

Anyone know of some alien human romance that isn't just straight up porn. Doesn't even need to be the central plot point. I just want aliens finding novelty out of humanity's quirks in a more integrated fashion than simply first contact.

[Anonymous No.18575588]

>>18575569
I wish

[Anonymous No.18575589]

>>18575280
It seems very unlike Achamian to just do that. Esmenet in particular would never do that and would probably go insane if she saw that. She set even Kelmomas loose, for fuck's sake.

>>18575354
Hmmm, I did think about that. The Dunyain are weak-souled, so they should have been vulnerable to that. It was also said that sorcery was used to restrain Kelmomas. Could have been Shauriatas or all Dunyain part of the Few. But wouldn't Kellhus have noticed they were posessed?

[Anonymous No.18575592]

>>18574893
>Discord
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>Book Club Selection
Galactic North
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89188.Galactic_North

> With eight short stories and novellas--including three original to this collection--Galactic North imparts the centuries-spanning events that have produced the dark and turbulent world of Revelation Space.

[Anonymous No.18575596]

>>18575569
My favorite quote at the end summary, the aptly put: "It made me feel disgusting"

[Anonymous No.18575657]

Need more books like this?
Where women are used constantly?

[Anonymous No.18575663]

>>18575589
You misunderstand, friend. Akka gets really pissed and tries to kill them as revenge, then cucks out like usual, either from his own emotions or Esmenet. He'll then justify it as needing them or whatever, for what comes.

[Anonymous No.18575745]

I've been reading image related series for few weeks now, and its gotten to the point where reader finds out that spoilers: the previous galaxy-spanning human civilization with planetoid sized space ships with crew capacities in up to hundreds of thousands, and matter transmitters that could allow people to move between star systems within seconds, killed itself with their own bioweapons over 50 thousand years ago
anything with similiar vibes?

[Anonymous No.18575756]

>>18575745
>50 thousand years ago
46k*

[Anonymous No.18575810]

>>18574989
>The question then is not whether or not a girl should be touched. The question is merely where, when, and how she should be touched.

[Anonymous No.18575956]

is there any modern sci fi that's worth a shit? For classic works you can go by awards(hugos until the 90's/00s) but it seems every award has become a circlejerk of "muh diverse wahmen writers!" I don't mind sci fi that's political/philosophical, but writers today have to make it all current year and about such superficial bullshit. It doesn't make you think, it bashes you over the head with these topics

John w Campbell seemed pretty based, dunno about the Campbell award, but desu I'm ready to give up on modern SF/F

I enjoyed asoiaf but I give up on ol' Georgie actually finishing the series. It is funny how he got eaten alive by the people he tried pandering to

[Anonymous No.18576059]

Anyone ever read Neal Asher? He's still pumping out books.

[Anonymous No.18576083]

>>18575956
There's Peter Watts. Cixin Liu if you can handle terrible prose.

[Anonymous No.18576097]

Any Sex Books?

[Anonymous No.18576120]

>>18576097
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.18576122]

>>18576120
Sex Books?

[Anonymous No.18576152]

>>18575365
I need to make a Version 2 of that chart.

[Anonymous No.18576393]

Hate myself and want to die lads

[Anonymous No.18576464]

>>18576393
same

[Anonymous No.18576470]

I’m barely into the Unholy Consult, and I don’t think I’ve ever read anything so difficult from Bakker until now.

I don’t know what happened to him when he wrote this, but he’s going all out. And I’m not even talking about the plot, but the philosophical implications and the absolute degradation and downfall of every single character.

I miss Theli and Maitha already.

[Anonymous No.18576471]

>>18575569
What the hell is wrong with her face?

[Anonymous No.18576481]

>>18576471
ugliness, an incurable, globally prolific condition afflicting a large percentage of the human race

[Anonymous No.18576505]

>>18576471
Despite the unholy amounts of makeup she has plastered onto her face to hide that she looks like a goblin, you can still tell it's fake. Your brain is thus receiving dissonant information: the skin is seemingly without blemish, yet the facial structure reveals the ugly truth hidden below. An effect similar to the famous uncanny valley.

[Anonymous No.18576508]

>>18576481
same desu

[Anonymous No.18576562]

>>18576059
Yeah, I really like him
Though I'dd be the first to admit he isn't for everyone (for real), you need to appreciate stuff like crab sex, and larping AIs, as well as the focus on technical stuff + flora and fauna
At certain points in his books I came close to dying from cringe (his take on religion, which clearly is the author talking), I'll chalk that up to him being a boomer.

Read 70%-ish the Polity series, with the exception of the early Spatterjay books, and some short stories, Hilldiggers, which I'm sure I'll get around to, even if I'm beyond spoilers at this point, lmao.
My favorite was the Dark Intelligence trilogy, the Penny Royal stuff.

Thinking through the books, what he really excels at is actions scenes, they truly engaged me. Quality took me by surprise.

[Anonymous No.18576578]

>>18576471
Lip fillers
you don't get to complain about the objectification of women while looking like that, and expecting me not to scoff, without first sucking my dick

[Anonymous No.18576582]

>>18576470
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18576589]

>>18575569
Who is this semen demon?

[Anonymous No.18576606]

Missed this >>18571251 last thread, but I still want to respond.

Yun Tianming, after ten billion years of life as an immortal demigod on the quest to reset the universe to its original ten dimensions, successfully resets the entire universe. Too bad Cheng Xin decided to leave five kilograms of matter in their pocket universe, meaning this one is ever so slightly different, in several convenient ways. This is the last page of the book.

[Anonymous No.18576650]

>>18575569
>the prose is excellent
>the different countries and settings got a lot going for them
>it uses philosophical topics as an interesting backdrop
>the characters are mean, and the roles of women troubles me
>ZERO out of five stars, not recommended to anyone
At this point it's not a book review, it amount to to publicly stating your trigger-words
clearly the quality of the book was not the thing being measured

[Anonymous No.18576664]

>>18576606
How can this be real?
HOLY MOLY

[Anonymous No.18576673]

>>18576606
Such is the power of fanfiction

[Anonymous No.18576682]

>>18575569
She's still seething, 4 months later.

[Anonymous No.18576726]

>>18576682
That bitch sure is condescending

[Anonymous No.18576730]

>>18575569
>she actually got an interview with Erikson
How? And should I watch it?

[Anonymous No.18576736]

>8575244
I love you so much anon. This is one of the most brilliant handful of recommends I've ever seen. These are some of my favorites of all time, (I'm just finishing up my last Chiang.)
I've read them all but the Golden Age trilogy, and holy hell, there's no way I can even begin to tell you what a feast this series looks. (I'll probably be rereading Wright for the next decade.)
Once again, these are all precisely what I love.
I can't even begin to thank you enough.

[Anonymous No.18576743]

>>18576726
She absolutely loathed the book, and you can see she's making an incredible effort to not trash it completely. I legit started laughing when she said:
>The only characters I liked were the female ones.

It never ceases to amaze me how Bakker can trigger/filter so many people.

[Anonymous No.18576747]

>>8575244
I love you so much anon. This is one of the most brilliant handful of recommends I've ever seen. These are some of my favorites of all time, (I'm just finishing up my last Chiang.)
I've read them all but the Golden Age trilogy, and holy hell, there's no way I can even begin to tell you what a feast this series looks. (I'll probably be rereading Wright for the next decade.)
Once again, these are all precisely what I love.
I can't even begin to thank you enough.

[Anonymous No.18576753]

>>18575569
>I totally believe that your 30s are like your prime!
>I'm getting ready to get my zomg awesome half sleeve done!

[Anonymous No.18576764]

>>18576743
But the female characters were the worst. That whore who isn't even worth 10 talents doomed the world.

[Anonymous No.18576773]

>>18575244
I love you so much anon. This is one of the most brilliant handful of recommends I've ever seen. These are some of my favorites of all time, (I'm just finishing up my last Chiang.)
I've read them all but the Golden Age trilogy, and holy hell, there's no way I can even begin to tell you what a feast this series looks. (I'll probably be rereading Wright for the next decade.)
Once again, these are all precisely what I love.
I can't even begin to thank you enough.

[Anonymous No.18576775]

>>18576767
Third time's the charm, based wholesome anon

[Anonymous No.18576781]

>>18576736
>>18576747
>>18576773
kys you kindly retard

[Anonymous No.18576785]

>>18576773
>>18576747
>>18576736
How do you say "Austismus Maximus" in retard?

[Anonymous No.18576788]

>>18576773
>>18576767
>>18576747
>>18576736
Are you from rebbit or something? Why are you trying to "edit" your posts by deleting them?

[Anonymous No.18576833]

>>18576775,>>18576781,>>18576785,>>18576788
Sorry guys, my ancient phone kept funking up the image/link/copy functions, and their post is so golden I wanted to do it justice with a nice link.

[Anonymous No.18576847]

>>18576833
Why are you even replying? Control your OCD already.

[Anonymous No.18576850]

>>18576833
>funking
Oh no no no no no no.

You are going to delete it, right? I deserve an answer without typos.

[Anonymous No.18576856]

>>18576682
Damn she mad as fuck

[Anonymous No.18576874]

>>18576393
>>18576464
Stop waging and embrace the NEETpill.

[Anonymous No.18576875]

>>18576847
>Buy the book, just for destroy it.
You are not better than the average sandersöy.

[Anonymous No.18576876]

>>18576875
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18576893]

>>18575569
Dios mio, la globina.

[Anonymous No.18576895]

>>18576083
I can never tell how much of the bad prose is due to translator. Like how reading Spengler in the original German is compared to the English translations.

[Anonymous No.18576900]

>>18576470
It's his last book so he's going all out. Also he lost his editor for the first series, who certainly made him write more accessible and less self-indulgent material.

[Anonymous No.18576908]

>>18576876
You are not better than a sandersöy.

[Anonymous No.18576911]

>>18576908
It does trouble you.

[Anonymous No.18576916]

>>18576911
Not better than a sandersöy.

[Anonymous No.18576918]

>>18576916
I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.18576923]

>>18576918
Not better.

[Anonymous No.18576952]

>>18576875
>sandersöy
I thought he was a Mormon? Are even the weird polygamist heretics cucked now? Very sad.

[Anonymous No.18576961]

>You are not better than the average sandersöy.

[Anonymous No.18576969]

>BS mentioned
>thread derailed
It's all so tiresome lads

[Anonymous No.18576977]

>>18576969
Such is the power of the current King of Fantasy

[Anonymous No.18576982]

>tfw hungry on a friday night

[Anonymous No.18576985]

/sffg/ books that depict Hell? I am reading S Craig Zahler's Corpus Chrome right now and in this book, a company has figured out how to bring people back to life by putting their frozen brains into an android. Turns out, that those that are brought back from the dead that murdered anyone are sent to Hell, which is located at the center of the sun. Everyone has their physical body, which obviously resides on Earth, and their spiritual-physical body, which is squid-like and resides on a distant moon. If your physical body dies AND you didn't murder anybody during your lifetime, your spiritual-physical body also dies and you cease to exist. If your physical body dies and you DID murder someone, something within the chemistry of your spiritual-physical body changes such that a) it's ejected out of the moon b) it's propelled to the Sun and c) it resides in the Sun, and you are forced to feel the physical sensation of heat and think upon your life on Earth until the Sun itself goes out. It's cooky shit but I am a HUGE sucker for Zahler.. I love his movies. Anyway the book kinda gives me PKD vibes.

[Anonymous No.18576989]

>>18576900
> It's his last book so he's going all out

No! He will finish The Second Apocalypse! I believe!

[Anonymous No.18576991]

>>18575569
>"Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones."

[Anonymous No.18577037]

>>18576900
>last book
Unfortunately this.
Knowing Bakker will not publish the No-God for likely decades, I have endeavored to write my own series of novels, which will be the defining fantasy for the 20's (if I can actually finish them).

I've read and re-read TSA, and I hope its influence is not overly strong on my work. I'm also reading Wolfe, Tolkien, le Guin, and Herbert; as well as being deeply into the work of Nietzsche, Dante, Milton, Bacon, Bosch, de Chirico, Giger, Cronenberg, Buddhist sutras and Gnostic scripture. I hope what I write can match or even surpass what Bakker has done with Tolkien and the OT.

[Anonymous No.18577064]

>>18576952
?

[Anonymous No.18577103]

>>18576961
Sandernigg*r detected.

[Anonymous No.18577110]

Why is she seething so hard?

[Anonymous No.18577119]

>>18577110
You just know it when someone uses a "*" to self sensor their own words.

[Anonymous No.18577147]

>>18577119
What?

[Anon No.18577156]

>>18576985
Only Begotten Daughter
For the Love of Evil

[Anonymous No.18577174]

>>18577037
I would unironically read your work

[Anonymous No.18577179]

>>18577037

[Anon No.18577186]

>>18577037
post sample

[Anonymous No.18577352]

>>18577174
Thanks Anon. I write for readers like you.

>>18577186
I will eventually. I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I find myself constantly rewriting sections, so overall progress is slow-going. It might be a bad writerly habit.

I had the first series planned as a trilogy, but it might be better to try to condense it to two volumes? I want to avoid falling into the "never finish your series" punji pit.

[Anonymous No.18577366]

I've been giving my sister books with hand written reviews, and I finally got a hit. She loved A Wizard of Earthsea and can't wait to read the next one in that series. I did it bros

[Anonymous No.18577533]

>>18577037
Try reading Heidegger. His theory of being and phenomenology lends itself to world building. Being thrown into the world and being defined by what comes before, eventual death and preparation for it.

[Anonymous No.18577558]

>>18575273
Only Marxist philosophy majors and liberal queers who sniff each others farts out of wine glasses bitch about "genre fiction". All fiction is fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18577574]

Is Harry Turtledove good? Curious to read an alternate history novel.

[Anonymous No.18577581]

>>18574893
When people talk about the Star Wars EU being alright, what are they talking about? Is there a chart? Any anons have some titles they like?

[Anonymous No.18577585]

>>18576895
I think it's just impossible to translate East-Asian prose into something that flows well in Indo-European languages without basically rewriting the entire thing. It's a shame too, because I'd really like to finish the Vampire Hunter D books but they're so painful to read that I can only get through one every few years.

[Anonymous No.18577604]

>>18575311
>Gene Wolfe
IMO everything I've read of his, and I'm only shy some short stories and The Borrowed Man/ILL.
>Vance
Haven't read as much of him but Lyonesse trilogy is often praised.

[Anonymous No.18577619]

>>18577604
Thank you man. I was thinking of reading Lyonesse. I didn't want to do Dying Earth cause I'd like to read BotNS first (as backwards as that may seem). Good know the rest of Gene Wolfe's stuff is quality because I love his style and voice. He's smart about his prose (Vance is the same from the little I've read).

[Anonymous No.18577626]

>>18575311
>Jack Vance
Planet Adventure was really really fun, the same way Cugel's Saga
an by fun, I mean as in humor
I'd never think I'd be so taken in that I'm giggling out loud, just because these people are acting bizarrely. It isn't just me, right? There are a lot of good "jokes" in Vance's books.

[Anonymous No.18577711]

>>18577626
This further confirms my suspicion that he's worth getting into. Thanks anon.

[Marshall No.18577787]

Sanderson is king

[Anonymous No.18577803]

>>18574907
>>18574989
I'm against anyone whose humor consists of wojacks and pepes and schizo posting.

[Anonymous No.18577872]

I'm only halfway through Dogs of War, and it's already a lot more interesting than Gate of Ivrel. I'm glad I didn't get trolled.

[Anonymous No.18578003]

>>18577037
I await you being one in a distinguished line of /lit/ narcissists who believe their work is the best when its terrible. The reigning king is F. Gardner. Shall you surpass him?

[Anonymous No.18578188]

>>18577366
GG anon, that's great. Hope she likes the rest of the series too.

[Anonymous No.18578195]

I've read only some pretty basic things like LOTR, Hitchhiker's Guide, and some Discworld. What else would I like?

[Anonymous No.18578215]

>>18576606
Ho Lee Xit, i'm so fucking glad i dopped this halfway through the first book. What the fuck..?

[Anonymous No.18578234]

>>18577585
>I think it's just impossible to translate East-Asian prose into something that flows well in Indo-European languages without basically rewriting the entire thing.
This is a surprisingly salient point to see on 4chan. Do you have experience translating EA prose? Because you're exactly right.

[Anonymous No.18578350]

>>18578215
First book? You mean the actual main trilogy?

This is literally a work of published fanfiction.

[Anonymous No.18578371]

Is this the best series of all time?

[Anonymous No.18578467]

Just ordered the stories of Solomon Kane. I love Howard but I’m not sure if it’s gonna be different enough from Conan. Anyone read them?

[Anonymous No.18578474]

>>18578350
yes

[Anonymous No.18578497]

Any good novels with a little girl protagonist?

[Anonymous No.18578567]

>>18578497
There's a pedo chart in the mega.

[Anonymous No.18578597]

What would be a good fantasy novel to compliment Meditations on the Tarot? I don't usually read two books at once, but MotT is really challenging me (I'm a big brainless yes) and I need something to break it up.

[Anonymous No.18578674]

Now this is a surprise. Didn't know the LotR books had "queer leanings".

[Anonymous No.18578687]

Bakker is the prototypal soulless anglo bugman. The guy unironically thinks Dennett the Hylic King is a legitimate philosopher.

[Anonymous No.18578728]

>>18578674
>Didn't know the LotR books had "queer leanings".
It's quite obvious that Frodo fagged Sam in the ass.

[Anonymous No.18578795]

>>18578674
The absolute state
>>18578728
Unironically kill yourself, fujoshi turd

[Anonymous No.18578819]

>>18578371
>female author
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.18579015]

>>18577366
Please let us know when you successfully reach the endgame and make her agree to let you fuck her

[Anonymous No.18579077]

>>18578234
>Do you have experience translating EA prose? Because you're exactly right
No personal experience, I've just been exposed to a lot of (professionally) translated material and have noticed they all suffer from the same shortcomings and awkward turns of phrase regardless of author or translator. The only Asian author I've read that felt right in English is Murakami, and I've read that he was very involved in the translation process re: altering his prose to keep it natural while retaining his intent in English

[Anonymous No.18579114]

>>18575569
>>18575596
>Read a book with the title "The Darkness Cums..."
>Woah wtf this is too dark and rapey and it's gross!!!

[Anonymous No.18579158]

I came across this book in a second hand shop years ago and I've read it ten times already. I recommend it if you want to know what it feels like drinking distilled /pol/ juice

[Anonymous No.18579172]

>>18578795
What a dumb quote. It can be so easily defeated by the millions of people who do have friends, and still see some relationships as gay.

[Anonymous No.18579177]

>>18579158
Utopian literature is boring IMO.

[Anonymous No.18579187]

>>18579177
kek

[Anonymous No.18579267]

>>18579077
It's quite a dilemma. Being a professional translator myself, it's pretty much a constant struggle wherein one knows that the text as-is simply doesn't work well in English, but also knowing that rewriting it wholesale earns nothing but ire and accusations of arrogance (as if rewriting anything equates to thinking you know better than the author, or are sullying their work, etc). Especially with fans of EA works being as, shall we say, sensitive as they are regarding even a hint of anything being changed.
Though one could say the more fundamental problem is just that most translators, even professionals, are not writers by their own trade, and the barrier of entry to EA->English translation is lower than average due to how difficult it is to learn EA languages in particular.

[Anonymous No.18579355]

>>18577574
He's decent. The world building is fairly interesting, though in his main "confederates win" alt history series he sorta forces things to mirror reality too much for my tastes. The prose is workmanlike most of the time, but once you get used to some of his foibles, pacing is pretty good, with a few books' exceptions.

Pic related was the one of his I enjoyed most.

[Anonymous No.18579458]

>>18576985

Larry Niven did a fun retread of Dante's Inferno but with a Sci-Fi author instead of a poet, its notable to me for just sticking straight to the real core premise of the original, which is shit talking anyone the author dislikes

[Anonymous No.18579516]

>>18576682
>using the word “privilege”

Ay lmao.

[Anonymous No.18579641]

>>18579267
I vastly prefer translations where the the translator has been given free reign to capture the feel and spirit, if not the prose, of the original. You can't appreciate the nuance of the original author's wordplay outside of the original language 90% of the time anyways.

[Anonymous No.18579715]

>>18579172
Those people are mentally ill. Fuck off abomination

[Anonymous No.18579730]

>>18579172
They don't have friendships as close as people could have in the past.

[Anonymous No.18579752]

>>18575311
Wolfe is great all around
Read the Fifth Head of Cerberus next

[Anonymous No.18579766]

>>18579158

[Anonymous No.18579807]

>>18576847
>Buy the book first place.
You think you're better than his fans but you gave Sanderson your money like any of his fans.

[Anonymous No.18579822]

No need to use the word "fans" twice. It's not elegant prose.

[Anonymous No.18579866]

>>18579730
This is nothing but a cope.

[Anonymous No.18579876]

>>18579866
Modernity is a cope

[Anonymous No.18579960]

>>18575588
Kek

[Anonymous No.18579968]

>>18576682
HahHa

[Anonymous No.18579975]

>>18578371
Looks like self insert “strong female lead”. The MC prolly gets raped by swarthy immigrants and has flashbacks to it every other chapter.

[Anonymous No.18580050]

anything with a similar protag/viewpoint to murderbot diaries? im not looking for an ai or construct viewpoint but rather the (attempted) emotional detatchment and cynicism and humour
i know its niche but id really appreciate the help, empathy and emotions are things i really struggle with and murderbot is a comforting series that reminds me i dont have to have those to be a nice person and id like to continue experiencing that (ive reread the books a bunch)

[Anonymous No.18580418]

Gene Wolfe invented the Pringles machine?!
The logo makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.18580582]

How far into WoT did you get before giving up? Halfway through Fires of Heaven for me.

[Anonymous No.18580590]

>>18580582
Start of Book 4.

[Anonymous No.18580614]

>>18580582
I read it in the mid-2000s and quit at Book 9.

[Anonymous No.18580616]

>>18580582
Second book

[Anonymous No.18580621]

>>18580616
Book 2 was unironically the best.

[Anonymous No.18580631]

>>18580621
Compared to the Tolkien-rip-off that was Eye of the World, The Great Hunt felt really fresh and unique.

[Anonymous No.18580635]

>>18580418
I'm going to need some more info here

[Anonymous No.18580656]

>>18580635
If only there were a website where you could read brief biographies of notable figures.

[Anonymous No.18580673]

>>18580656
>waa stop having discussions when wikipedia exists
What a pointless existence you lead

[Anonymous No.18580686]

>>18580673
Why should someone copy and paste information from there for you when you can look it up yourself? You didn't ask for someone's opinion about it. You just wanted the facts of the matter. Go find it yourself, faggot.

[Anonymous No.18580704]

>>18580686
Why did you post about it if you didn't want to talk about it?

[Anonymous No.18580741]

>>18580621
Maybe, man. If I'm being honest, I put it down around 2013. Out of the trio of main characters, only Perrin was of any interest to me. "It's a fantasy classic." Yada yada, but it wasn't for me. If you want a critical analysis of something I didn't like eight years ago--I ain't got it.

[Anonymous No.18580755]

>>18580741
I was just pointing out that Book 2 was the best, but the entire series is still shit.

[Anonymous No.18580800]

what do I read if I want the cool "order of magical knights" of stormlight archives but with yknow actual good writing?

[Anonymous No.18580811]

>>18580800
Write it yourself, bro.

"The Once and Future King" Has a Knightly Order, but to my mind they don't possess magic. That's only merlin.

[Anonymous No.18580815]

>>18580800
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.18580822]

>>18580815
I kek'd though.

[Anonymous No.18580834]

>>18575365
Is this b8? It is literally if 4chan was a library of books.

[Anonymous No.18580959]

Why does award winning literature tend to be so much more depressing than even something that's labaled as grimdark?

[Anonymous No.18580974]

>>18580959
I don't know. I've never read anything based on how many awards it has, especially now.

[Anonymous No.18580979]

>>18580959
because all the award winning literature for the last 7 years has been dominated by women

[Anonymous No.18581030]

>>18580979
Let me rephrase it:
Why is literary fiction in general more depressing?

Even when it was "dominated by straight white men"

There's nothing in grimdark as brutal as Last Exit to Brooklyn even.

[Anonymous No.18581096]

>>18580959
>labaled

[Anonymous No.18581135]

>>18581030
Happy people don't write books and if they do its mostly simple, lighthearted fair. The majority of great artists of every type have been severely broken people.

Happy stories also tend to be somewhat boring unless they're just straight comedy. Conflict is interesting. Contentment is much less so

[Anonymous No.18581161]

>>18581096
I want to give some silly excuse, but I can't.

[Anonymous No.18581289]

>>18581030
>Why is literary fiction in general more depressing?
Because real life is depressing and literary fiction reflects that existential dread. Grimdark genre fiction is more like a horror themed amusement park you visit for escapism. Facing real life is much more grim than watching characters get tortured for your amusement.

[Anonymous No.18581458]

I've read only some pretty basic things like LOTR, Hitchhiker's Guide, and some Discworld. What else would I like?

[Anonymous No.18581506]

>>18581458
The Prince of Nothing by R. Scott Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18581508]

>>18581458
Go ahead and read Bakker, that way you'll have read the best work of western speculative fiction and can move on to other interests.

[Anonymous No.18581509]

>>18581458
scifi or fantasy? anyway check the mega

[Anonymous No.18581515]

>>18581458
>Ha hasn't read /sffg/'s canon.

What are you doing with your life, anon?

[Anonymous No.18581563]

>>18581515
Commonplace Norsirai whore. I have ten such harlots at my beck and call.

[Anonymous No.18581613]

>>18580582
Haven't given up. Reading book 12, Sanderson is doing a decent job.

[Anonymous No.18581772]

Just read TGO, what the fuck was Survivor's problem?

[Anonymous No.18581796]

>>18581772
>Screamers: evaded.
>Son: raised.
>Qirri: snorted.
>Leap of faith: taken.
>Absolute: grasped.

No problem here, chief.

[Anonymous No.18581940]

What's /sffg/'s opinion on the blue wizards? Did they
a) foment rebellion against Sauron in the East
b) get slain
c) get distracted, like Radagast
d) join the Enemy?

[Anonymous No.18582488]

>>18581940
Got distracted

[Anonymous No.18582812]

I'm about to start reading this, it's supposed to be a mix between BSG and rhe last watch from GoT, but in space.

[Anonymous No.18582859]

>>18580582
Quit after the second book. Awful trash.

[Anonymous No.18582860]

>>18581458
>/sffg/ starter kit
Prince of Nothing, Black Company, Book of the New Sun
>modern scifi
Peter Watts, Cixin Liu, Alastair Reynolds
>3 pillars of d&d
Dunsany, Jack Vance, Robert E Howard
>essential vampire
The Vampyre, Carmilla, Dracula, in that order
>normie core
Brandy Sandy, Neil Gaiman, JK Rowling
>/pol/ core
HP Lovecraft, Joe Abercrombie, Ursula K le Guin

See also Nebula and Hugo award lists, especially for pre-2010 books.

[Anonymous No.18582861]

>>18582812
I’m sure they try to market it as GoT like for them shekels.

[Anonymous No.18582863]

>>18580582
A few pages into Eye of the World

[Anonymous No.18582865]

>>18582860
>Prince of Nothing
Sorry but I don't read cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.18582870]

>>18582865
Why would you, When you already experience that daily?

[Anonymous No.18582873]

>>18582865
>the little bitch is so psychologically afraid of reading anything with any cuck content that he cucks himself out of reading the most interesting and well-written fantasy of the last 20 years
kek'd and cuck'd

[Anonymous No.18582899]

>>18574989
> Arthur Clarke
> pedo
Wasn't this a tabloid rumor that was found to be false? He lives in Sri Lanka, which arouses suspicion, but for some reason Sri Lanka seems to be a destination for Western literary figures.

[Anonymous No.18582916]

>>18582873
Bakker, get off 4chan. You’re writing a child’s fantasy story no matter how much you cope.

[Anonymous No.18582930]

>>18582873
Is there actual cuckolding in this book? I was going to read it but now I'm not sure I will...

[Anonymous No.18582939]

>>18582930
No. One of the characters is presumed dead and his wife finds a new husband. That's all.

[Anonymous No.18582942]

>>18582930
>Is there actual cuckolding in this book?
Yeah, a shit ton of it.

[Anonymous No.18582946]

>>18582916
>Resorting to false dichotomy.
We unironically accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.18582950]

>>18582930
There is literally none. Filtered people will claim there is, but are unable to describe it as you can see.

[Anonymous No.18583071]

>>18582930
There is. It's not noteworthy, other than the bit were someone jerks off while seeing their crush getting fucked. That bit was yikes and not believable.

[Anonymous No.18583097]

>>18583071
Things that never happened.

[Anonymous No.18583116]

>>18583071
Yeah, I think I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.18583126]

>>18582930
>Imagine being filtered by cuckoldry in fantasy

It reminds you of your life?

[Marshall No.18583139]

>>18582860
Why is abercrombie /pol/??

[Anonymous No.18583168]

>>18583139
Why do you have an obsession with Cuckoldry, Marshall?

[Marshall No.18583174]

>>18583168
I do not.

[Anonymous No.18583178]

What is the science fiction or fantasy equivalent of sissy hypno?

[Marshall No.18583191]

Sanderson is king.

[Marshall No.18583195]

I'm a latino loving cuckold.

Can you guys recommend me some books?

[Marshall No.18583199]

>>18583195
Wow, how do you know im latino?
Can you tell me my adress desu?

[Anonymous No.18583208]

>>18583195
I know you've read this one, but I can't think of any sff book that will fulfil your needs.

[Anonymous No.18583216]

>>18583199
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18583224]

>>18583178
What is sissy hypno?

[Anonymous No.18583240]

Has anyone read Gemmell's "other" books? Grandad let me grab some stuff from his house and the name stuck out. Is it good?

[Anonymous No.18583282]

>>18581772
cuts and cuts and cuts and cuts

[Anonymous No.18583409]

Rorschach vs Thesus AI/Sarati.
Who won the conflict?

[Anonymous No.18583603]

>>18574893
I just ate some pantry moth larvae, by accident. Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.18583609]

>>18583208
Is this actually real? Have anyone read it?

[Anonymous No.18583687]

>>18583139
The end of the First Law trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18583724]

>>18576083
i second peter watts... when his prose is on, its on, and he works through the problems of consciousness in far more rigorous ways than cognitive science lol

[Anonymous No.18583768]

hey guys, need a rec for good sci-fi. w sci-fi i think literally the only thing i've ever enjoyed was william gibson, read snow crash and was baffled by how dumb and 90s-quirky it was.
what i like about neuromancer is (a) the precise, razor's edge prose cribbed from noir pulp shit mixed with (b) a pynchon-lite onslaught of cultural signifiers that threaten the formal authority of the narrative. imo an incredible conceptual retooling of genre tropes, and also doesn't act as a shitty philosophical treatise with a shittier story duct-taped to it like a lot of other sci-fi. so is there anything else that hits a similar sweet-spot of prose and form which don't have a totally autistic relationship to the narrative?

[Anonymous No.18583784]

>>18582812
>An epic tale...
>says <female author> of "Velocity Weapon"
I'm filtered.

[Anonymous No.18583805]

>>18581772
What is TGO?

[Anonymous No.18583812]

>>18583097
> He didn't read The White-Luck Warrior

[Anonymous No.18583817]

>>18576606
My god it’s even more cringe than I had feared

[Anonymous No.18583828]

>>18583409
I can't imagine how the Theseus could possibly win. Maybe if it kamikazed, but I don't think it could blow up hard enough.

[Anonymous No.18583848]

>>18583805
The Great Ordeal, the third book in The Aspect-Emperor, which is the second arc of The Second Apocalypse, the superlative epic fantasy series by R. Scott Bakker, the second smartest living sci-fi/fantasy author (after Greg Egan).

[Anonymous No.18583867]

Need some recs for bleak and philosophical genre stuff. Recent stuff I've liked/loved: Peter Watts' Firefall (Blindsight and Echopraxia), Bakker's series, some of Revelation Space series.

[Anonymous No.18583894]

>>18582860
I like Le Guin, but she’s hardcore Reddit- not pol core lol.

[Anonymous No.18583922]

>>18575365
Just finished There Is No Antimemetics Division. It was way better than I had ever expected. I strongly suggest adding it to the list.

While it was originally published on the SCP wiki and is still readable for free there, it's a surprisingly cheap book to buy and I highly encourage supporting qntm.

For being such a short book, the core concept of it was explored thoroughly from multiple different angles. The writing was solid and it was enjoyable enough that I managed to finish it in a single day.

[Anonymous No.18583937]

>>18583828
Isn't that what happened? Mutual annihilation of elementary particles?

[Anonymous No.18583973]

>>18583922
Are you familiar with rational fiction anon? You might want to branch out into it if you haven't. Antimemetics is considered a rational fiction work by many.

[Anonymous No.18583993]

>>18583973
I've actually never heard of it (heh)

Does it explore a more cerebral sort of science fiction?

[Anonymous No.18584051]

>>18583894
She walks the line between blacked and blackpilled, but if you're not a triggered little shit you can spot the difference.

[Anonymous No.18584057]

>>18575365
>litrpg garbage
>cat girls
>smut

[Anonymous No.18584058]

>>18584057
sounds based

[Anonymous No.18584069]

>>18584058
Western authors aren’t even disciplined enough to write 2 chapters a day

[Anonymous No.18584072]

>>18575365
Read bobiverse
I liked it at first, but by later half of the third book and most of the fourth book I kind of checked out

[Anonymous No.18584086]

>>18583993
Well, more cerebral sort of everything, but yeah. As a warning, due to trying to be so cerebral, it's pretty easy for them to dip into cringe territory and it's very easy to make fun of them if you want. With this in mind I don't give any strong recommendations but you may want to take a peek at The Metropolitan Man, UNSONG, and/or Sufficiently Advanced Magic off the top of my head. Most of the people I know who like There Is No Antimemetics Divisions likes one/all of these, though YMMV.

Also, there's a fantasy fiction called Worth the Candle wherein antimemes and infohazards are encountered along the quest and have to be fought. There was clear Antimemetics Division inspiration for them. You may get a tickle out of it at those points but I wouldn't recommend it for that reason alone.

[Anonymous No.18584103]

>>18584072
I dropped it when the author used “volatile” to refer to explosives

[Anonymous No.18584239]

>>18575258
Genre fiction is boring because it's all the same and clearly unimaginative masturbatory fantasies. I hate 'nerd' culture especially. The author having no creativity or self-awareness at all. Basically no mind of his own and not worth reading. I want good writing and interesting stories (whether conceptually or aesthetically). Some apparent genre fiction has literary merit obviously. It's not a good categorisation but it's what we've got.

[Anonymous No.18584248]

>>18583867
Bakker has a standalone sci-fi novel, Neuropath. Thomas Metzinger liked it, for what it's worth

[Anonymous No.18584269]

>>18584239
This is an issue I see too; authors don't have enough self-awareness about their work. You see mostly in modern fantasy authors, and it is an issue I have tried to be conscious about in my own writing.

[Anonymous No.18584340]

(Reposting in the new topic.)

I asked after you guys' personal favorite sci-fi books some topics back, and've now come back to ask after more.

(I read every one of your recs, and they were all pure bliss to experience, cover-to-cover. You recommended Blindsight, Dragon's Egg, Replay, Sun Diver, etc. Thank you so much!)

A bit of background on my favorites:
I love Alastair Reynolds, J. Vinge, Herbert, Cixin, Martha Wells, Bujold, Card, Adams, Tepper, E. Moon, Gavriel Kay, Simmons, Zelazny, and so on.

I'm earnestly /requesting/ recommendations for your favorite sf books once again.
So what books do you personally feel are absolutely singular, that make your soul sing, that've been subject to endless re-readings?
I'd love to read them, too.

Please drop all your personal favorite sci-fi titles, anons.

-
>>18568096
>>18568247
I was given two never-read recommendations last time, Vurt and the Golden Age Trilogy. I just finished Vurt and can't wait till I can get a hold of the Wrights.
Vurt was everything I hoped it'd be and more. Felt like I was vicariously living trapped for a few hours in a slumming-London shot kaleidoscopic fever dream. It was crazy delicious.
Again, a million thanks to the recommend-anon, you're a genius, bro.

[Anonymous No.18584367]

>>18584340
based earnest and enthused fren

[Anonymous No.18584423]

>>18584340
Maybe recency bias but see >>18583922
I thoroughly enjoyed myself.

[Anonymous No.18584425]

>>18584340
cringe pollyanna

[Anonymous No.18584439]

Anyone know the name of a fictionalized biography of Tolkien? Basically it's written as if Tolkien found a collection of scrolls containing the history of Middle Earth, which he translated into English. (I know that's the conceit of the LOTR books already) I can't remember the name or if this even exists and I just dreamt it up.

[Anonymous No.18584465]

>>18584340
A couple of the next books I'm planning on reading include Tau Zero, House of Leaves, and Cixin Liu's short story collection Wandering Earth.

Not quite Sci Fi, but sort of adjacent, is Alan Moore's Jerusalem. This is if you want a 600,000 word brick of a novel to read with wastefully descriptive prose to challenge the likes of Robert Jordan. This review summarizes it nicely: https://youtu.be/b98M-ESCm4c

[Anonymous No.18584640]

>>18574893
I finished The Unholy Consult today, bros. What the fuck do I do with my life now?

[Anon No.18584648]

https://societyoftolkien.org/schedule/
So did anyone watch this today?

[Anonymous No.18584716]

>>18584239
meh post-modernist authors are the same too. Modern literature is stale everywhere.

[Anonymous No.18584731]

>>18583609
It's on zlib.

[Anonymous No.18584878]

>>18581796
He is really fucking based. RIP to a real one.

[Anonymous No.18584892]

>>18584878
>He scaled the heights of dread Golgotterath? >Resume eet.

[Anonymous No.18584897]

>>18582930
Mfw it’s time to cuck. Bakker is a great filter to sift the bulls from the plebs. I would treat all nonreaders like Proyas in the tent.

[Anonymous No.18585000]

>>18583240
Gemmell is a quick read, just try it out to see if it's for you.

[Anonymous No.18585014]

did you guys pick up the new edition of sword and citadel? i dont like these new editions but if you dont have these books already it might be a good idea to go get these to support more gene wolfe editions
we got a new wizard knight edition so interest in wolfe has to be going up right?

[Anonymous No.18585024]

>>18585014
fuck sword and citadel isnt coming out till later i meant shadow and claw

[Anonymous No.18585029]

>>18585024
>>18585014
cover design is bad

[Anonymous No.18585034]

>>18584878
Based /biz/ Bakkermemer.

[Anonymous No.18585076]

>>18575011
This.

[Anonymous No.18585221]

>>18584648
Saw that some panels were about queer identity and decided to not

[Anonymous No.18585243]

What are some patrician books where the MC romances the main antagonist

[Anonymous No.18585250]

>>18582939
>>18582950
I'm choosing to believe these two posters. If there's any actual cuckoldry I am dropping it, though.

[Anonymous No.18585280]

>>18585243
Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Novel

[Anonymous No.18585283]

>>18585250
Why do you want to read ultra grimdark shit if you're so scared of someone getting cucked?

[Anonymous No.18585296]

>>18585283
Because when cuckoldry occurs, usually the breaking of the buck follows and I don't like homosexual stuff in my books.

[Anonymous No.18585298]

>>18585283
Quite a lot of losers like to think they're tough and hardcore, but deep down they're incredibly weak to any form of emotional discomfort. They can tolerate only a narrow set of violence perpetuated against those they consider lesser than themselves, and anything that goes against their own sensibilities whatsoever is instantly intolerable.

[Anonymous No.18585312]

>>18585280
is that it?
seems rather limited for such a patrician trope

[Anonymous No.18585316]

>>18585296
>I don't like homosexual stuff in my books.
>Today I will read Bakker
lol

[Anonymous No.18585333]

>>18585312
It was sarcasm you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.18585335]

>>18585333
only retards use sarcasm

[Anonymous No.18585343]

>Because when cuckoldry occurs, usually the breaking of the buck follows and I don't like homosexual stuff in my books.
You're not wrong

[Anon No.18585356]

>>18585221
I think you're thinking of the other one. This was the conservative version in response.

[Anonymous No.18585371]

Would a fantasy series where the Creator is actually dead with the universe following suit be too depressing of a concept?

[Anonymous No.18585427]

>>18585335
>no u

[Anonymous No.18585432]

>>18585371
If something created the universe then they would be a non-biological entity external to time and space and thus could not "die."

[Anonymous No.18585434]

>>18580800
>magical knights
Just go read some power rangers fanfics. Guaranteed better quality.

[Anonymous No.18585447]

>>18581458
Everything by Zelazny

[Anonymous No.18585448]

>>18585432
Point being, you'd need to create some kind of cosmology in which your idea is possible. Like the universe being created by something like a demiurge.

[Anonymous No.18585453]

>>18584878
The boy who grasped The Absolute

[Anonymous No.18585454]

>>18585371
not depressing
it'd be irrelevant, especially if you intend the "Creator" to be an author stand in
Why care about characters in a dying world where even the author doesn't give a shit about.

[Anonymous No.18585466]

I'm going to start reading a new fantasy series. The Second Apocalypse or Malazan?

[Anonymous No.18585472]

>>18585454
>especially if you intend the "Creator" to be an author stand in
lol that isnt the case. more so i want to explore how the characters would deal with their world ending and how they spend the time they do have left.

[Anonymous No.18585473]

>>18585466
Malazan

[Anonymous No.18585474]

>>18585316
>second page of TDTCB contains gay pedo shit
lmao

[Anonymous No.18585479]

Why does Bakker make his place-names so fucking unreadable?

[Anonymous No.18585490]

>>18585479
To filter the unworthy.

[Anonymous No.18585495]

The greatest western fantasy work and the greatest eastern fantasy work. Let it be known.

[Anonymous No.18585503]

>>18585495
What's the weeb shit on the right?

[Anonymous No.18585513]

>>18585503
Full Metal Daemon Muramasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FUr0mVuq4

[Anonymous No.18585518]

>>18585503
>Not knowing what the right is
Jesus christ, how far did /sffg/ fell? I would have understood if you said the left, since no one knows that.

[Anonymous No.18585521]

>>18576985
Just wanna say, your comment made me really curious about the book, and that i just read it in one sitting.
Motherfuckers pussied out on the solar hell thing, and tought i would rate the book in general as good, my disappointment with the conclusion of the story is immeasurable.
I wanted shit to hit the fan, badly, but it never came.

[Anonymous No.18585536]

>>18585513
Has it been localised?

[Anonymous No.18585546]

>>18585536
In spanish.

[Anonymous No.18585549]

>>18585536
There's an English translation coming out later this year from JAST.

[Anonymous No.18585556]

>>18585549
Cool. I'll remember to check it out.

[Anonymous No.18585560]

>>18585432
Not necessarily. Expand your mind. As a VERY basic example which requires almost 0 creativity to conceive or imagine, consider an advanced society creating a simulated universe and then dying out. The simulated universe, much like a video game but more advanced, would be left on its own. Not to say this is the best example of something of this sort, but it is extremely simple and easy to imagine examples of a creator dying after making a universe.

[Anonymous No.18585576]

>>18585556
The author wrote another VN before that one called Hanachirasu, which is much shorter and less involved but still very good, and it has a translation, so you could always read that in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.18585591]

>>18585518
Kys weeb

[Anonymous No.18585592]

>>18585591
>He says in an anime website

[Anonymous No.18585596]

>>18585560
You missed my point. In your example your creators are still temporal biological entities. If something exists outside of time there cannot be a moment when it existed and then when it did not exist because there is no time.

[Anonymous No.18585601]

>>18585560
>>18585596
Also that's why I sad this >>18585448. You can of course come up with something, you just need it to be something that makes sense. A traditional monotheistic god would not make sense. That's what I meant.

[Anonymous No.18585604]

>>18585601
Then what's the issue?

[Anonymous No.18585606]

>>18585604
Just making the anon aware in case he hadn't considered the problem.

[Anonymous No.18585609]

New thread
>>18585607

[Anonymous No.18585732]

>>18585518
>>18585592
>ESL thinks they have valid opinions in a lit thread
embarrassing desu

[Anonymous No.18585774]

>>18585592

[Anonymous No.18585795]

>>18574893
Any fantasy books that will fill the void that giving up FFXIV left?

[Anonymous No.18586520]

>>18585466
The Second Apocalypse

[Anonymous No.18586523]

>>18585479
There's nothing wrong with them.

[Anonymous No.18586586]

Any good final fantasy asian sort of fantasy books?