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[Anonymous No.18557699]

>Kant knew of Hume’s racial views and approved of them. In one of his essays, in an attempt to reinforce Hume’s dismissive views of Africans, Kant cited a story by a Dominican missionary, Father Labat, concerning a Negro carpenter. Labat criticized the carpenter for his haughty treatment of his wives, Kant tells us. The carpenter replied with what certainly sounds like a rather shrewd dig: “You whites are indeed fools, for fi rst you make great concessions to your wives, and afterward you complain when they drive you mad.” Kant adds a comment that I personally consider the single most appalling sentence ever written by a great thinker: “And it might be that there were something in this which perhaps deserved to be considered; but in short, this fellow was quite black from head to foot, a clear proof that what he said was stupid.”

Kantbros...

[Anonymous No.18557763]

>>18557699
Kek
Epic misogynistic negro BTFO'd christcuck cum skin

[Anonymous No.18557769]

powerful dialectic exchange

[Anonymous No.18557770]

>>18557763
true. as a commited racist this quote made me reconsider my views and suppose that blacks may indeed be equal in intelligence to whites

[Anonymous No.18557817]

>>18557699
Kant is basically the ideal platonic form of bugmanism.

[Anonymous No.18557837]

>well you're right but you're still a dumb nigger lol
wow... so this is the power of philosophy...

[Anonymous No.18557840]

What is with liberals and being "appalled" at a bit of racial horseplay

[Anonymous No.18557848]

>>18557840
feigning outrage = I am more virtuous

[Anonymous No.18557856]

Kant absolutely BTFO beyond belief by the chad Ngubu Carpenter
>y-y-you’re black stfu!
why is this loser finding bantz “appalling”. it sounds like a funny conversation desu.

[Anonymous No.18557887]

>>18557699
My hatred of woman and hatred of niggers have left me unable to respond to this comment.

[Anonymous No.18557902]

>>18557699
Is is the legendary based nigger?

[Anonymous No.18557927]

>>18557837
Just threw out all my Kant. But seriously, if Kant who's one of the Wests greatest philosohers thought like this about some random black guy why should we take anyhting he says as literal

[Anonymous No.18557959]

[Anonymous No.18557968]

>>18557959
True but that was a rare case of a based n*gger who understood the necessity of misogyny. I'd say he was an honorary Aryan

[Anonymous No.18557970]

>>18557968
>rare case
blacks understand the necessity for misogyny more than anyone else except for maybe hardcore mudslimes

[Anonymous No.18557973]

>>18557848
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.18557975]

>>18557699
>You whites are indeed fools, for fi rst you make great concessions to niggers, and afterward you complain when they drive you mad.”
prophetic

[Anonymous No.18557981]

>>18557968
Anon, not all black people are niggers. Just the vast majority of them.

[Anonymous No.18557982]

>>18557959
Kek <——
Kek
Kek

[Anonymous No.18557985]

>>18557699
You Kant be more based than that

[Anonymous No.18557986]

>>18557927
>not throwing your Kant out after all the Reichenbachposting

[Anonymous No.18557991]

>>18557699
>Kant adds a comment that I personally consider the single most appalling sentence ever written by a great thinker
I can only imagine pic related when i read this.
However, the African was completely correct in that westerners gave their women too much freedom.

[Anonymous No.18557994]

>>18557770
Kant's ethics strike once again

[Anonymous No.18558002]

>defends women
>gets chastised anyways because of a racist quip
we can't win kantbros

[Anonymous No.18558011]

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[Anonymous No.18558030]

no.

[Anonymous No.18558057]

>Manfred Kühn comments in passing on the Observations: “To be sure, there is irony in some of these passages.”
>Susan Shell also sees irony, suggesting, “Kant’s argument, in that essay, is beset by a too-often-neglected irony: the words of an African whom Kant notoriously cites not only belie the ‘cowardice’ that Kant attributes to all Africans, but threaten to expose the tenuousness, in Kant’s own mind, of a claim crucial to his thesis as a whole—namely, that European women deserve the reverence that is paid to them.”
>Shell also suggests that with a celibate priest telling and in turn being told how to relate to women, Kant introduces further irony.

[Anonymous No.18558089]

>>18557699
So basically kant thought what the negro said had merit, but because it was said by a negro it's still retarded even if true?

[Anonymous No.18558189]

>>18557981
It's the 95% making the rest look bad.

[Anonymous No.18558197]

>>18558089
more like he couldn’t refute it so resorted to “n-nigger”

[Anonymous No.18558223]

>>18557991
OP here. That quote was taken from an introductory philosophy textbook "About Philosophy" by Robert Paul Wolff. The author describes himself as a Marxist in economics, anarchist in politics and atheist in religion. He's actually a pretty interesting guy and a renowned Kant scholar and his lectures on Kant which are available on YT are a great way of getting into Critique of Pure Reason. But you're right in the sense that he often peppers his writings with retarded liberal anti-racist bullshit. In the first chapter of this textbook he is worried that the lecture is about to become too "Western" and "eurocentric" but instead of introducing some actual non-Western philosophy like Confucius or Shankara he settles for W.E.B.Dubois of all people because apparently being black made him a non-Westerner despite him being imbued with a Western way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.18558299]

>>18558223
>W.E.B.Dubois
You could have just said he was a complete fucking moron

[Anonymous No.18558368]

>Negro carpenter: 2 + 2 = 4
>Kant: what nigger stupidity!!!1!
but what did he actually MEAN by this?

[Anonymous No.18558490]

>>18557699
Based black man

[Anonymous No.18558496]

>>18557986
>Reichenbach
Quick rundown?

[Anonymous No.18558527]

>>18558496
check warosu, someone posted excerpts

[Anonymous No.18558553]

>>18558089
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18558669]

>>18558223
>the lecture is about to become too "Western" and "eurocentric" but instead of introducing some actual non-Western philosophy like Confucius or Shankara he settles for W.E.B.Dubois of all people because apparently being black made him a non-Westerner despite him being imbued with a Western way of thinking.
This is pretty much the same thing with all anti-colonial thinkers. Even though they rant against Eurocentrism, their philosophy is almost always Anglican, German, French, or a mix of those. It's the same with Said and Fanon. They cant really deal with actually non-western thinkers.

[Anonymous No.18558690]

>>18557699
How is this news? Kant wrote a book separating races and placing them on a hierarchy. Look at his geography or his anthropology. Read more, faggots.

[Anonymous No.18558702]

#KancelKant

[Anonymous No.18558951]

>>18558368
Kant is a hack

[Anonymous No.18559461]

>>18558223
what a dumb fucking pseud

[Anonymous No.18559484]

>>18557699
>Kant adds a comment that I personally consider the single most appalling sentence ever written by a great thinker
KEK

[Anonymous No.18559494]

>>18558702
#KancelKantKompletely

[Anonymous No.18559525]

>>18557699
>y consider the single most appalling sentence
This modern age is so fucking gay and stupid. You have philosophers talking about purging the weak and this guy is upset Kant insulted some black guy

[Anonymous No.18559577]

>>18557699
Intellectual buck breaking. Look it up. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.18559781]

>>18557699
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[Anonymous No.18561106]

>>18557959
Unfathomably based.

[Anonymous No.18561113]

>>18557699
I think he was just trying to be funny.

[Anonymous No.18561404]

>>18557699
It was an ironic dig at hume you retards. There are good papers about this. In the context he writes this it's clear

[Anonymous No.18561434]

>>18557699
That negro was unironically smarter than Kant. Any African books you guys would suggest to give up on Prussian garbage and move to another level?

[Anonymous No.18561465]

>>18557699
>And it might be that there were something in this which perhaps deserved to be considered; but in short, this fellow was quite black from head to foot, a clear proof that what he said was stupid.

[Anonymous No.18561468]

>>18557817
>the Chinaman of Konigsberg

[Anonymous No.18561549]

https://philpapers.org/rec/KLEKST

Kant rejected his views on racial hierarchies as his critical system was taking form (as it is made utterly evident by his essay on perpetual peace, and his 1790 Anthropology). People who stress on Kant's views on race are in bad faith. It is as in bad faith as claiming that Kant believed that logic offered a proof for the existence of God, even though he abandoned that view as soon as he started writing the books that actually matter to us.

[Anonymous No.18561652]

>>18561549
>paulina
>kleingeld
>despite what evryone else thinks let me tell you why akshually
No I dont think so

[Anonymous No.18561670]

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[Anonymous No.18561680]

>>18561434
George Ayittey's Indigenous African Institutions.

[Anonymous No.18561708]

>>18561434
Theory and Practice of Esoteric Georgefloydism by Ngugu Mbappe

[Anonymous No.18561757]

>>18561652
Cope harder, kant's philosophy wasn't racist

[Anonymous No.18561803]

>>18561757
His philosophy has nothing to do with race at all. Kant was aware there were smarter and dumber people

[Anonymous No.18561838]

>>18557699
How different things would be now if we had listened to the wise nigga instead of the "enlightened" German goblin...

[Anonymous No.18561924]

>>18561803
Kant was actually concerned about race for a) his philosophy of nature (especially his teleology) and b) his practical philosophy, since racial hierarchies as they were theorized entailed also a moral hierarchy (as in, people lower in the ladder would be deemed less moral). For both a) and b) an account of race that entailed racial hierarchies would pose major problems to Kant's critical system.

[Anonymous No.18561940]

>>18561924
It would imply no more a problem than there being individuals smarter than other individuals which he obviously knew was true. God you faggots are tiresome you just lie and lie and lie

[Anonymous No.18561962]

>>18557699
nigga was right tho... bitches need to be slapped or you'll end up with modern western women

[Anonymous No.18561998]

>>18561940
Try reading the third critique and his essay on Perpetual Peace

[Anonymous No.18562001]

>>18557699

This seems made up by the OP. I've never ever heard a negro say anything wise. Not even bothering to go and Google it to find out

[Anonymous No.18562003]

>>18561940
Try reading the third critique and his essay on Perpetual Peace, and then tell me that racial hierarchies do not fuck his entire work up. And stop trivializing it, as if the problem is "duh some people smarter some people dumber duuhh", Kant had actual philosophical reasons to deem racial hierarchies problematic

[Anonymous No.18562027]

>>18562003
It is literally the exact same as some people being smarter than others. 'This group happens to have somewhat more smart people on average'- if that is a problem for his philosophy then it's a problem if anyone at all is smarter than anyone else

[Anonymous No.18562044]

>>18562027
It's a problem if these differences are not distributed uniformly among all human populations since a) this fucks up his theological and biological concept of humanity and b) this 100% fucks up his entire political philosophy and philosophy of history (especially his cosmopolitical theory)

[Anonymous No.18562055]

>>18562044
How fine does this distribution have to be? Every country? Every region? Every town? Every street, every family?

[Anonymous No.18562069]

>>18562055
Every racial group. For example, if African are in general dumber than Europeans, and if this stupidity is of a genetic nature (as in, intrinsic to their organisms), then Kant would have to retract his essay on Perpetual Peace. For Kant's political philosophy to work it must be that no general population is to be intrinsically dumber than any other population (differences should all be accounted with appeals to nurture rather than nature)

[Anonymous No.18562076]

>>18562069
But why? If you can get people within a population of different intelligence to cooperate why can't you get people between populations to do so?

[Anonymous No.18562202]

>>18562076
Because Kant's cosmopolitical program requires also that every population can possibly be at the same level of competency, since no hierarchy must be established between nations, and since at the same time it is established that nations must be ran competently. Kant is not willing to settle down for some sort of paternalistic cosmopolitanism, where more competent nations get dragged down by least competent ones. If this level of general equivalent competency cannot be achieved not even in principle (since, in this scenario, differences in intelligence between populations are intrinsic), then the whole cosmopolitan project loses all its normative power (it is not relevant that these differences might be present at the moment; what is important is whether they can possibly be neutralized or not). Too bad that this project is literally the highest and most important point in Kant's practical and political philosophy (that's where all our aims, as the human specie, are directed at)

[Anonymous No.18562208]

>>18562202
Hm then I retract all my posts, you are right about Kant having become antiracist

[Anonymous No.18562219]

>>18562208
I'm glad to have cleared that out for you, anon

[Anonymous No.18562274]

>>18561113
Sounds like a bit of banter but in the way Anthony Cumia does where he’s still being racist

[Anonymous No.18562454]

>>18557699
>"Yo my nigga Kant I see you and you white boys simpin for your frigid bitches on this hood what on earf is up with dat?!"
>Kant props up his collar and pats his wig
>"Ahem. Fuck women. But also more importantly fuck NIGGERS"

[Anonymous No.18562491]

Black here. Can you guys stop being racist please? I feel like this is a consequence of y'all having anglo-centric libraries. read phillis wheatley and get woke or sum shit

[Anonymous No.18562586]

>>18562491
Even nigger hands looks ugly. What the fuck is wrong with your race

[Anonymous No.18562594]

>>18562491
Thought you were holding some Gardner novel, that'd be gold

[Anonymous No.18562615]

>>18562586
i bet you believe in "white genocide" and that type of dumb shit, stupid ass cracker

[Anonymous No.18563279]

>>18557699
Holy based.. where do I start with this man??

[Anonymous No.18563294]

>>18562491
please return those books to the white man from whom you stole them.

[Anonymous No.18563309]

>>18557817
Bugmanism holy shit that’s a great word.

[Anonymous No.18563333]

>>18557699
The black man was right, in restrospect, and Kant was wrong. Holy shit, an African carpenter was more correct than one of the most infuential philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18563337]

>>18557848
It’s a complex social process that many people are incapable of understanding.

[Anonymous No.18563405]

>>18557699
The carpenter was correct. What an embarrassing response from Kant. So this is his power huh.

[Anonymous No.18563422]

>>18557968
bitches ain't nothing but tricks and hoes

[Anonymous No.18563441]

>>18558089
Peak intellectual dishonesty, yes.

[Anonymous No.18563442]

>one of the most influential western philosophers got btfo by some poor new world negro
Woah...so this is the power or european intelectuals huh
This thread unironically cured my racism.

[Anonymous No.18563444]

>>18557840
Liberals know negroes are dumb talking chimps but it goes against their fake and gay leftcuck religion to consciously recognize such. So to assuage their cognitive dissonance they become the protectors of and spiritual mothers of all the world’s dumb retard sub human brown “people”. Jews exploit this to no end.

[Anonymous No.18563446]

>>18561838
wtf I respect blacks now

[Anonymous No.18563459]

>>18557959
I was in that thread. That post was a top 25 of all time in the 10 years I have been ruthlessly shitposting

[Anonymous No.18563460]

>>18563442
>This thread unironically cured my racism.
same

[Anonymous No.18563462]

>>18557975
>>You whites are indeed fools, for fi rst you make great concessions to Jews, and afterward you complain when they drive you mad.”
>prophetic
Please take down this VERY anti Semitic post.

[Anonymous No.18563469]

>>18558702
#Cancel white people
(But keep all their ideas and technology and civilization)

[Anonymous No.18563512]

>>18563469
God I hate white “people” so fucking much

[Anonymous No.18564046]

>>18562615
I believe you're an ugly ass nigga lmaooo

[Anonymous No.18564543]

>>18562274
I mena of course he is still racist. You have to be an idiot not to be racist. You dicover these dark skinned creatures that look similar to you but are heavily primitive in almost every way imaginable in a time of stern belief in progress and enlightenment. You would be a laughing stock if you would claim those are as equally human as us.

[Anonymous No.18565785]

>>18564046
racism is not cool! I will talk to God about you, He’ll set you straight.

[Anonymous No.18565803]

>>18559494
kek

[Anonymous No.18566866]

>>18562491
Lol this is an obvious brown Indian. Can’t run game on a nigga

[Anonymous No.18566880]

>>18557959