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>Following the debate, Chomsky was stricken with Foucault's total rejection of the possibility of a universal morality, stating "He struck me as completely amoral, I'd never met anyone who was so totally amoral... I mean, I liked him personally, it's just that I couldn't make sense of him. It's as if he was from a different species, or something."

Eerie.

>> No.18541426

French and gay. I'm French btw and I too consider morality with irony, seeing it mostly as the result of lazy habits.

>> No.18541439
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>>18541407
... For once, a philosopher doing what he preached.

>> No.18541441

>>18541407
What?

>> No.18541456

>>18541407
I got the same feel the first time I saw that debate desu
I have always thought the baldie was evil.

>> No.18541458

>>18541407
Pedophilia tends to breed that way.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/amp/Charges-shatter-Asimov-son-s-reclusion-3099867.php

>> No.18541462

>>18541439
Debunked hoax.

>> No.18541480

>>18541439
Why bother referring to it as "make love"?

>> No.18541489

>>18541407
Chomsky is bourgeois. Foucault was imagining proletarian consciousness without identity. Chomsky can not understand solidarity.

>> No.18541503

>>18541480
Euphemism - Love sounds better than rape, assuming there's a tangential truth to any of it.

>> No.18541513

>>18541426
i live in france (not french, but i have lived here since i was a child) and i am a completely amoral individual. also i am gay. fuck, maybe it all has to do with france.

>> No.18541518

>>18541407
>child-raping AIDS-ridden degenerate didn’t believe in morality

>> No.18541549

>>18541462
Half-debunked. African reporters tried to investigate and according to the villagers, he had sex with 'minors' but they were 17 or 18 year old - majority was fixed at 20 so he did it illegally. It seems that one of them ratted him out to the cops then he was expulsed.

>> No.18541880

>>18541513
AIDS sounds like a good judgement for u

>> No.18542080

>>18541513
>>18541407
its crazy how people who reject christian morality virtually always end up being the most disgusting subhumans, degenerates like gays or gay child molesters like Foucault. its like the moment you turn away from christian philosophy, or at the very least the moment you let nihilism in you are basically doomed

i cant even tell you if im a real believer myself but Christians were completely in the right to enforce their moral philosophy on society, and our society is going to die without it

it seems obvious that at the very least nihilism should be illegal

>> No.18543389

>>18541513
>gay algerian immigrant
anon...I...

>> No.18543516

Amoral doesn't mean immoral. Chomsky is just mad that Foucault was an epistemologist. Grow up, Noam.

>> No.18543521

>>18542080
Oh yeah, because Christianity has no history of child abuse, right?

>> No.18543536

>>18542080
Relax and read Houellebecq's Submission. If Christianity dies out Islam will replace it in the West and we'll go back to your trad vision of the world.

>> No.18543542

>>18543536
>white islam
i await the day the crakkkas find the love of allah

>> No.18543543

>>18542080
The biggest childbuggerers, drunkards, snorters, hooligans are still Christians from small towns.

>> No.18543547

>>18543536
No such thing as trad.

>> No.18543553

>>18542080
>Christian
You mean the child rape religion?

>> No.18543807
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18543807

>>18542080
>reddit
>>18543521
>reddit
>>18543543
>reddit
>>18543553
>reddit

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO /LIT/?

>> No.18543874

>>18543807
>frog
>all caps
reddit

>> No.18543888

>>18542080
what about the pedophile priests?

>> No.18543904

>>18542080
Yeah there's actually a crazy correlation between lack of christian beliefs and degenerate actions like that.... oh wait there isn't and you're a larping zoomer that probably doesn't even go to church

>> No.18543915

>>18541407
>Mr AngloBugman encounters an actual human being (albeit a French human being).

>> No.18543923

I'm not sold on his worldview but you just know this guy sucked dick like no other. He could be saying anything and you'd just agree with him in the hope that he'd keep blowing you.

>> No.18543946
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>>18543915
>Chomsky
>anglo

>> No.18543961

>>18543874
newfag

>> No.18543964

>>18541407
he's just like me

>> No.18544054

>>18541407
Following the debate, Chomsky argued that the proletarian revolution considers universal morality and justice and not the will to power. Is that's why he called Foucalt amoral, kek?

>> No.18544277

>>18543946
Americans are spiritual Anglos.

>> No.18544298

>>18544054
Yeah. Chomsky loses two nil.

Round 1)
C> I'd like to think language has meaning
F> Can you prove that?
C> I'd like to think that.
F> Can you prove that?
C> ~ n ~

Second half

C> The proletariat must bind itself to a universal morality, and if the proletariat fails that morality it is culpable.
F> WORKERS GONNA KILL BOSSES.
C> n ~ n

After the match
C> Foucault is an amoral monster.

>> No.18544324

>>18544054
>Following the debate
Oh, "following the debate" means "after the debate"... Well, I meant "on the debate". ESL, srry.
>>18544298
Chomsky in a nutshell. I just don't understand how could anyone consider him as a great thinker after all that. He liked TO THINK tho.

>> No.18544388

>>18543964
If you don't practice sexual tourism with minors and you don't make Chomsky afraid, then not really, it's a larp.

>> No.18545162

>>18544277
>Chomsky
>American

>> No.18545195

>>18541513
The french should have cleansed Algeria.

>> No.18545199

>>18543888
More likely to be molested in a public school.

>> No.18545295

>>18543904
this but unironically, japan a godless nation, has created some of the most degenerate culture to have ever existed. but muh... statistics. kys faggot, you would deny your own existence if it "correlated" with muh peer reviewed, p=0 retarded dribble of an attempt at science

>> No.18545324

>>18545199
This is just because almost everyone goes to public school, and fewer go to church every year. Every hierarchical structure children engage in without supervision has this problem. In my opinion the Christian debauchers are worse because they hide their transgressions. Degenerate atheists will happily bare their depravity for they do not consider it such.

>> No.18545325

>>18543516
Chomsky is such a midwit it's unbelievable.

>> No.18545334

>>18544324
Should be "during the debate".

>> No.18545437
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18545437

Some anons don't understand. You need to *absorb* the thought of Foucault.

>> No.18545625

>>18541407
Both wrong and right at the same time. A universal standard for morality exists, based of universal compassion, but it is insufficient and too impractical to base a universal law system of it.

>> No.18545696

>>18542080
>nihilism should be illegal
HAHHAHABABABAHAHAJAJAHAHAHAAHA
FUCKING GALAXY BRAINED POST JESUS VHRIST

>> No.18545705

>>18545334
Thank you.

>> No.18545783

>>18541407
There is lot more to be said of Foucault. He raped Algerian children and thought nothing of it for one.

>> No.18545887

>>18541513
It does. See Gilles de Rais.

>> No.18545948

>>18541513
>i am a completely amoral individual. also i am gay.

I think that's just the French experience anon

>> No.18546198

>>18541426
>>18541513
The French genuinely can't into philosophy, every time they try it's embarrassing.

>> No.18546241

>>18544054
yeah he is just a moralizing lib

>> No.18546279

>>18545162
you don't actually believe he's russian

>> No.18546308

>>18543516
Pretty much. A discussion of morality with a serious epistemologist is not going to be everyone's cup of tea

>> No.18546344

>>18546279
>His parents, Ze'ev "William" Chomsky and Elsie Simonofsky, were Jewish immigrants.
The jew is international by nature. He has little to no respect to the place he is in.
I do not wish to make this a conversation about jews; let's leave it here and talk about his ideas. Let my ramblings about the Tribe come at another time.

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>>18546344

>> No.18546376

>>18545437
please, please, give the sauce

>> No.18546483

>>18545437
why would you fist with the left hand?

>> No.18546518

>>18545295
>virtually no murder, high trust society
>nice homogenous communities
>good work ethic
Wow sure seems good for a degenerate culture

>> No.18546548

>>18545295
Well as long as long as I don't have to post any sources, the christian conservative American south is far more degenerate with their cousin and brother sister fucking and they love Jesus more than anyone

>> No.18546750

Is it true Foucault's historical works are all poorly made and have little if any rigid historical research behind them?

>> No.18546787

>>18546750
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/24363

>> No.18546846

>>18546376
Paul Morris interviewed by Susanna Paasonen for a paper called Risk and Utopia: A Dialogue on Pornography.
Page 220 of GLQ : a journal of lesbian and gay studies, volume 20, Duke University Press, 2014.
Whole thing on z-library. Beware there are unsavory pictures of faggotry in the whole thing. I'll add it to the metadata for the skeptics.

>>18546483
Perhaps he's left handed? Would it make a difference?

>> No.18546863

>>18546750
Yes, his fundamental claims are insane e.g. homosexuality didn't exist as an identity until modern times, the psychologically deranged were treated better before modern psychiatry, etc.

>> No.18546919

>>18546863
He's right though, sexual and gender identities are fake bullshit. No one called themselves a homosexual until 200 years ago. LGBT is a meme for this very reason

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>>18546863
>>18546919

>> No.18546953

>>18541480
He loved to coom.

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>>18546361
whatever mate, go on being retarded

>> No.18546982

>>18545324
“Likely” implies rate, do you know how that works? Per capita, etc.?

>> No.18546987

>>18546943
Foucault didnt claim homosexuality didn't exist. Boy/men love did exist. But it wasn't some kind of permanent identity that followed your whole life. In ancient greece those who made love to boys later would marry little girls (12 y/o~), bachelors in Renessaince Italy would have homo sex and then would later marry some woman. It wasnt cemented that you "are" gay for your whole life, so you have to act accordingly to some kind of a priori schema.

>> No.18546991

>>18546943
Homosexual identity is not the same as homosexual activity. People have always been doing gay shit, but only recently have they turned it into a complete sexual identity of being gay and waving rainbow flags. It's not organic

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>>18546919
Literally hundreds of thousands were killed for sodomy throughout European history. To take Foucault serious on that you have to believe basically no one had any self understanding of what was going on and just stuck dick in butt

>> No.18547050

>>18547019
>hundreds of thousands were killed for sodomy
bullshit numbers, and you still don't understand how to separate homosexual identity from behavior. no one called themselves fags or sodomites 1000 years ago, they just committed those activities. foucault is saying people only started to identify by their sexuality in modern times such as gay people complaining they're "born that way" and can't control that they're gay. he criticizes this since he thinks sexuality is too fluid and complex to be homogenized in fake labels

>> No.18547071

>>18546991
>gays and lesbians are just straights
Or are you one of those bisexual-supremacists?

>> No.18547075

>>18543807
>reality is reddit
uh?

>> No.18547257

>>18546198
Descartes literally created modern philosophy. Leibniz was German but chose to write in French. Then I doubt you heard about Étienne Souriau who created philosophy of art and was one of Deleuze's mentors.
German philosophy in the 20th century is either gibberish or pointless. Maybe with the exception of Husserl.

>> No.18547275

>>18546846
Nice, thank you!

>> No.18547302

>>18547075
>reality is reddit
It's is, it really is!

>> No.18547347

>>18547302
>no argument
Just be happy you aren't one of the thousands of victims, anon
Have a nice day

>> No.18547393

>>18543521
False and gay.

>> No.18547402

>>18543543
>>18543553
>>18543888
Proof?

>> No.18547416

Based Foucault defending Aryan particularism against rootless internationalist universalism.

>> No.18547470

>>18541407
Foucault over any fag moralist. There is no such thing as good and evil. Chomksy is a pathetic midwit whose fanbase only consist of untalented bugmen who have to use moralism to elevate their status.

>> No.18547511

>>18541480
they've been making memes about degenerate sodony being "love" for decades now.

>> No.18547856

>>18541439
>8, 9, 10
>basically expired goods
the french have shit taste as always

>> No.18549212

>>18543543
[citation missing]

>> No.18549911

>>18541407
>dude hold the camera straight and ill stick my face up close to it and make a serious face ill look so intellectual and shit dude lmao make it black and white
fuck this faggot

>> No.18549959

>>18541407
Chomsky is so retarded that he couldn't grasp basic philosophy and that just because he wants there to be a universal morality he can enforce on others doesn't make it so.

>> No.18549993

It was a poor showing for foucault desu, it's clear that as a man without any understanding in science, preferring the mystifying language of philosophy, that he was totally out of his depth with Chomsky

>> No.18550008

>>18547071
>>18547019
>>18546943
Holy shit how can none of you understand the difference between identity and activity, it's like you're being intentionally fucking dense

>> No.18550015

Foucault is so retarded that he couldn't grasp basic morals and that just because he wants there to be no universal morality he can disallow others from enforcing on him so he can fuck children doesn't make it so.

>> No.18550041

>>18543536
my trad vision of the world doesn't include being forced to sport a neckbeard, having my dick mutilated and women being splashed with acid for wearing a skirt
>>18541407
didn't he fanboy islamism and buddhism and shit christianity all day
crazy motherfucker

>> No.18550071

>>18550015
Sounds nice. Demonstrate.

>> No.18550090

>>18542080
Christianity and Islam is a mental illness. Tell me which religions have the most pedophiles? Exactly, fuck off.

>> No.18550099

>>18541407
>french
>fag pedo masquerading as "philosphical amoral"
as a french i can say this, also gay predator face

>> No.18550100

>>18542080
>its crazy how people who reject christian morality virtually always end up being the most disgusting subhumans, degenerates like gays
This argument begs the question because homosexuality is only wrong if religion is true.
>or gay child molesters like Foucault.
The Sorman accusations have been retracted
>>18543807
>>reddit
Not an argument.

>> No.18550103

>>18550099
>pick two
i forgot to say

>> No.18550154

>>18546548
>cousin and brother sister fucking
A literal Hollywood invention made by kikes who do practise incest

>> No.18550192

>>18546750
Wow who would've thought that bald french hack was too lazy to conduct proper research

>> No.18550596

>>18550100
Homosexuality is a natural diversion. Sexual pleasure is nature's bait to make you reproduce. Take the possibility of progeny out of the equation and all you have is degeneracy : Males penetrating other males anal cavities, a non reproductive organ meant as an exit for feces...Or women caressing(?) other women or using phallic shaped objects to penetrate them...
I mean the penis and vagina are literally designed to interact with one another.
Even without christianity/islam or w/e other religion forbids it, Homosexuality makes no sense.

>> No.18550630

>>18546548
something tells me you've never been to the south and your entire impression of it is based off of jewish propaganda

>> No.18550633

>>18541439
Absolutely based. Reminder that "paedophilia" (a slur intended to ostracize child lovers) is based on an oppressive and patriarchal notion of child innocence

>> No.18550642

>>18549993
Foucault is an expert in the philosophy and history science, moron.

>> No.18550647

>>18542080
Dogmas cannot be authentic moralities. Ironically Christian philosophy is degenerate itself, in a wide number of ways.

>> No.18550653

>>18550596
Homosexuality has a biological component. Religions make no sense.

>> No.18550658

>>18550633
BTW if anyone here is an incel or a KHHV then he should virulently opposed strict laws against child love typically found in the US. In Europe we have reasonable ages of consent around 14 or 15. This allows older virgins and incels to experience teenage love (which is the pinnacle of life's joy) they were deprived of during their own boyhood. A 4/10 male has 0 chance of experiencing teenage love as a teenager but as an adult he might attract a teenage girl with a subtle mix of brainwashing, manipulation and a promise of pecuniary compensation. Thus lowering the age of consent is democratic and egalitarian. The only people who could oppose that are retarded American boomers who have a mistaken notion of their children as innocent angels in white gowns. Strict laws against paedophilia DOESN'T mean less sex among teenagers, it means more sex between teenage girls and their Chad peers (who are of course exempt from the age of consent laws as they are undeage) thus further alienating masses of sub-8/10 males

>> No.18550666

>>18542080
shut up faggot. I don't need a book to tell me not to suck dick

>> No.18550671

>>18550658
>just be a groomer theory

>> No.18550765

@18550653
(You)

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>>18541407
>>18541439
>>18550633
>>18550658

>> No.18551485

>>18547019
You must be American to be this retarded.
What's next, there weren't people in current day USA 500 years ago since nobody considered themselves American? That's the kind of idiocy you're working with.

>> No.18551532

>>18546863
>>18546750
>>18550192
>midwits not know what a genealogy is

>> No.18551563

Friendly reminder that Foucault was a moral relativist in the same way Nietzsche was, rejecting a universal morality but much rather seeing morality tied to history. So, all of the "hurr durr gay childrape aids" arguments are not only strawmen, but also not fitting for your chud pics of greek statues with Nietzsche quotes on them.

>> No.18551629

>>18551390
>sex with 16 year olds is pedophilia
U S A
U S A
U S A
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE BY THE DAWN'S EARLY LIGHT

>> No.18551656

>teenage love (which is the pinnacle of life's joy)

imagine this mentality

>> No.18551840

>>18551563
Explains why he and the rest of the eminent French intellectuals demanded the age of consent removed. I-It's not that we want to fuck kids, its an epistemological thing!

>> No.18551925

>>18546198
embarrassing post

>> No.18551971

>>18543521
1. You're more likely to be molested by a stranger, a teacher or even a member of your own family than you are by a priest.
2. (unlike Foucault) the Church recognises that raping a child is a grievous abuse.

>> No.18552017

>>18551563
>"hurr durr gay childrape aids" arguments are not only strawmen
They are not strawmen but very real things, whether they are good or not is another matter. By rejecting those points as strawmen you are voiding the revindication of all its content.

>> No.18552052

and yet foucault has only been increasingly proven right with every passing year

funny how those that identify as atheists are so dumbstruck when faced with the logical, philosophical consequences of godlessness
>omg how can u believe in material self-interest, that's immoral

>> No.18552078

>>18551390
larping moralfag zoomer with no direction in life

>> No.18552110

>>18541407
Another example of physiognomy being spot-on. Look at that bald monkey face and tell me you can't tell it's a fag degenerate from first glance.

>> No.18552255

>>18543521
Fags are 5% of population and commit 33% of all sex crimes against children

>> No.18552391

>>18550041
Then your vision of trad will fail

>> No.18552410

>>18541407
I really liked Foucault in the debate. He felt honest about his uncertainty about morals, he didnt seem to be pretentious enough to think that his "right" was any less demented as someone elses. In that way, his positiion was empathetic as opposed to chomskys which was self assured in his righteousness.

>> No.18552574

>>18542080
The immense majority of men is heterosexual and they don't want to have sex with little children because a)they want to protect their own kids and relatives and b) most of them want tits, ass and hips. Christianity has nothing to do with this, in fact christian morality has made us think that wanting to fuck teenagers is basically the same thing wich is completly wrong.

>> No.18552840

>>18550658
>>18551629
What the fuck is wrong with you people? It must be hard growing-up a stooge, but could you peddle your imbecility elsewhere? Adults in the real world, wagies and the like, want you dead. Don't you understand that your ASD isn't something real people tolerate?

>> No.18552876

How is it the slightest controversial that in a nihilistic uncaring universe there's no morality beyond what those with might decide?

>> No.18552899

>>18552876
Cool story, bro. Did you forget that the mighty already established their arbitrary interdicts, making this observation and any subsequent evaluation secondary to your own enculturation completely meaningless?