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You have 10 seconds to explain to me why Schopenhauer and Mainlander claim rocks have a will just like humans.

Are all philosophers really this fucking dumb?

>> No.18533007

https://voca.ro/14FeN8cc80RL

>> No.18533049

>>18532977
Schopenhauer claims that there can only be one thing-in-itself because things-in-themselves cannot differ by phenomenal categories, which is how we differentiate objects from each other. Furthermore, he claims that through our own experience we discover that the thing-in-itself is Will, or endless striving, and therefore this Will must be present in all things.
It's an incredibly shoddy argument once you grant that it is possible things-in-themselves to differ in non-phenomenal categories. Schopenhauer also goes on to describe how art lifts the individual to a state of Willlessness, which contradicts his whole system of metaphysics and he pretends that this is somehow compatible with the Upanishads. Despite his arguments being completely non sensible some people like Mainlander bought it because he wrote pretty well.

>> No.18533791

>>18532977
>Are all philosophers really this fucking dumb?
It's not so hard to understand that if a human exhibits will, then a paramecium has a fraction of will call it chemiotactism of you want to, then a virion has a fraction of it, then mineral world has a fraction of it and so forth, let alone the metaphysical world. I couldn't inte legere the concept of will from schopenhauer nor mainlander but if you don't understand that non-living things are beings as well then skip the ontology chapter.

>> No.18533800

>>18532977
The rock has the will to remain stuck together like that I guess

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>>18532977
>Are all philosophers really this fucking dumb?
Yeah

>> No.18533936

Will doesn't mean thinking or alive.

>> No.18533942

>>18532977
>just like humans
There is a difference. Humans have consciousness so they can inwardly observe their will, rocks don't. Doesn't seem that weird of a statement.