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How do I push my rock and be happy?

>> No.18521792

>>18521783
https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AP2T0

>> No.18521796

Disingenuous mental gymnastics from french pseud celebrity. It's below basic coping, it's just drivel.

>> No.18521810

>>18521796
>It's below basic coping, it's just drivel.
What's advanced coping?

>> No.18521813

>>18521810
Nihilism

>> No.18521840

>>18521813
How is nihilism a cope? Seem's like the antithesis of coping.

>> No.18521867

>>18521840
Cope pussy virgin nihilist nigger faggot

>> No.18521880

>>18521867
Fuck you too you dense nigger.

>> No.18521925

>>18521783
You are happy in the brief moments of respite where you reach the top of your mountain, and can see both the way up and the way down.
Camus doesn't tell you to imagine yourself happy when you aren't, he's telling you we have to imagine Sisyphus happy at some point, and uses the metaphor of the peak to point out to what can bring Sisiphus happiness in his context, or else suicide is the right answer.

>> No.18521939

>>18521867
nihilism isn't really something you choose to believe, it more happens to you

>> No.18521958

>>18521792
Lmao, this can't be real.

>> No.18522339

>>18521783
https://meaningness.com/

>> No.18522352

>>18521792
Someone's nervous.

>> No.18522409

>>18521783
The trick is to not be happy and don’t expect to be happy in the future. Also there’s no trick

>> No.18522422

Smile, nigga

>> No.18522500

>>18521792
>False. The World Economic Forum does not have a stated goal to have people ‘own nothing and be happy’ by 2030. Its Agenda 2030 framework outlines an aim to ensure all people have access to ownership and control over land and other forms of property.
That second sentence sounds suspiciously like gommunism with the vague way its phrased. Somehow I dont think they mean Georgist redistribution of land so everyone owns some.

>> No.18522512

>>18521783
You can’t be. You must imagine yourself so.

>> No.18522521
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>>18521783
I find hilarious how all the freshmen always show proudness and excessive happiness in finally "getting" life after reading some Camus.
Then after some months they all get depressed again lol

>> No.18522617

>>18521783
>How do I push my rock and be happy?
Get a rock you like.

>> No.18524137

>>18521925
I feel like this is an incorrect interpretation

We are all sysiphus, life is in an inherently meaningless struggle, therefor you have to find joy in the struggle for life to be worth leading.

That's about it.

>> No.18524147

>>18521783
Give your burden's to God, let him carry the rock with you and for you and you will have peace.

>> No.18524173

>>18522521
Love that memory.

>> No.18524232

Amor fati

>> No.18524355

>>18521783
You can't make yourself happy
You can make things happen in the exterior world by using your body and five sense
Think of some things you can make happen in the world outside your mind and do them deliberatively
Or deliberatively stop making some things happen in the physical world

>> No.18525097

>>18521880
i love you

>> No.18525183

Camus is both the most overrated and most underrated philosopher. His writings are accessible, so he's a natural first for most people when studying philosophy. Novice students though can't really grasp what he is saying, and more advanced students shrug him off without reflecting on his points.

>> No.18525256

>>18521783
You push the rock high enough and make it roll down on people you don't like.
Repeat ad infinitum

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very homosexual thread btw

>> No.18525642

>>18521783
christianity works

>> No.18525657

If you were actually pushing your rock, you wouldn't have to ask

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>>18521939
>I didn't choose the nihilist life, the nihilist life chose me.

>> No.18526466

>>18522500
"ownership" is a bourgeois legalistic relationship to property. No one will "own" anything.

You don't "own" your possessions as you don't have legal title proving they are yours.

>> No.18526476

>>18526466
Whoever tells people where they can live or can use it owns the property

>> No.18526489

Absurdism is just Optimistic Nihilism

>> No.18526550

>>18526466
Ownership is a function of power, faggot. Someone will always exercise ownership. I cant imagine how many levels of retard mental masturbation you have to be on to say ownership is bourgeois legalism. Marxists really are a special kind moron.

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>>18521792
These people are actually retarded.
The fact that they hold any power is simultaneously infuriating and hilarious. It's like watching a vaudeville act

>> No.18526591

You are pushing the boulder with every breath you take my friend. Just keep breathing.

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>>18525716
Underrated comment

>> No.18527670

>>18521939
its relative. everyone experiences meaning in their lives, it is just usually not enough for them. If the stakes were higher, it would probably be enough for them.

>> No.18527676

>>18527670
I think nihilists say that that feeling of meaning is just an illusion, a random effect produced by your brain/mind for whatever purpose, but it doesn't really mean anything. Like how a schizo might find something meaningful even though its gibberish, they think that all meaningfulness is actually this

>> No.18527810

>>18527676
That isn't wrong and there are merits to disillusionment, but by that way of thinking, the experience of meaninglessness is equally an illusion. If you actually grasped that the things happening here do not matter that much I don't see how you can still be upset by the lack of something you believe is nonsense in the first place. Even if you are a pessimist, you still have a system of values and probably an opinion on the best way of living based on what you value. I have a hard time seeing western nihilists as people with coherent beliefs.

>> No.18527825

>>18527676
The whole discourse around the meaning of life is largely on the level of pop culture. Philosophers may discuss the ethical question of what kinds of life are good or worth pursuing, but they don't talk about "meaningfulness" in the relevant sense. Existentialists come closer to this, but even they don't put the matter in such crude terms. For my part I cannot see what the question "Is life meaningful?" could even mean. At most it seems like a confused attempt to tackle the metaethical question "Is there such a thing as objective goodness?"

>> No.18527847

>>18527825
I always thought it meant to ask about telos

>> No.18527859

>>18521792
>we don't have a literal explicit goal of having this completed within the specified timeline so it's not TRUE NOT TRUE

>> No.18527945

>>18521792
How the fuck do people still believe these fact checkers?
This is as transparent as it gets.

>> No.18527967

>>18527825
Do you think meaning exists? Can one thing mean something else? Can life mean something more than its bare facts?

The term theophany refers to something in life essentially meaning a reflection of God

>> No.18528119

>>18527967
Not him, but I think meaning is used to describe things in this world. To the extent that some thing can be more meaningful than another, meaning exists. That isn't to say meaning does or doesn't exist on some type of transcendental level or justify existence.

>> No.18528151

>>18527967
Well, I accept that words can have meaning. Now the doctrine of things only having reality in so far as they participate in the Forms or the Absolute is a view I would reject. But this is not at all what people mean when they ask about the meaning of life, and non-philosophers don't understand or discuss the Socratic theory.

>> No.18528717

>>18521792
Its all so tiresome.

>> No.18528730

>>18521783
Take the NEETpill and don't push the rock.

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>>18528717
It's all going to come down soon.
Either through natural stagnation, or their own stupidity causing a catastrophic collapse.

>> No.18529021

>>18521783
Imagine it.

>> No.18529026

>>18528987
that didn't age well

>> No.18529069

>>18529026
The latest fuckup is with the quantity of money the FED is printing.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
They're not stopping btw. It keeps going up

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18529180

Camus blows. Life isn't pushing a rock up a mountain forever. You set goals and work towards them, your experiences and achievements don't disappear. He was just a miserable loser.

>> No.18529316

>>18529180
>t. Hasnt read ecclesiastes

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>>18521796
>>18521813
>>18521867
It's weird how absurdists and nihilists clash, when the only thing separating an absurdist from a nihilist is the comma at the end of the sentence. It's like he's desperate to remove the absurdist's self automatation.
>>18529316
This. Read Camus but also read Ecclesiastes for an ancient take on the exact same idea. There are probably others, but I stopped my philosophical searching here because Camus had already written to paper what I had discovered through hard living.

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>>18527676
I think that's a bad take, at least a bad way to phrase an argument, but I can't explain why in my own words. But it did remind me of this post so I capped it. There's a good reason that many of the great philosophers did not approach these questions in these terms. There's also another great cap which relates to this nihilistic problem.

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>>18529518
here's the other one c oncerning atheist philosopher Daniel Dennett.

>> No.18529591

>>18521783
asceticism in pursuit of the platonic forms. Stay in your head and out of reality.

>> No.18529993

WHAT DO WE DO WHAT DO WE DO WHAT DO WE DO THE EXISTENTIALISM IS HITTING TOO HARD DURING MY TRIP WHAT DO WE DO WE ARE SO OLD WE ARE SO OLD WE ARE SO OLD WE ARE SO OLD WE ARE GONNA ROT DEAR LORD ALMIGHTY

>> No.18530092

>>18521792
Clown World is incredible, I can only shake my head at these levels of Jewishness

>> No.18530096

>>18521783
Build an elevator

>> No.18530098

>>18521792
Why would Reuter’s even bother to report on this? Nothing makes any sense. And why would they stick up for some NWO wanna be?