/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18508378]

>the first (and is still the only) graphic novel to win a Pulitzer Prize
Can comic books be lit?

[Anonymous No.18508392]

>>18508378
Comics are another medium, not literature. They are of course great comics within that medium.

[Anonymous No.18508571]

>>18508378

[Anonymous No.18508623]

>>18508378
>a book won a prize
Don't fall for the prize bait it's what the establishment wants you to read, so essentially advertising.
As for can graphic novels be lit? Well, it depends on what you mean. If it means "having deep meaning" than you can go watch a film and call it /lit/. So my answer is no. Anything that's not like a normal book can't be lit.

[Anonymous No.18508687]

>>18508378
A pic says more as 1000 words this guys should go into the gas first.

[Anonymous No.18508715]

They can but unfortunately the medium was born out of pulpy superhero garbage so it'll probably never reach it's potential. Maus sold me tho. Beautifully told story and book 2's self referential aspects were based

[Anonymous No.18508741]

>>18508715
This is what the people earn.
If people are to scared to stand up for each other, they earn chore

[Anonymous No.18508750]

>>18508741
chlorine*

[Anonymous No.18508982]

>>18508378
>Book about how bad the camps were
>Main char manages to literally accumulate 6+ months worth of food in less than 1 month due to connections and special treatment due to the guards making use of his education
>The entire book is the main char avoiding anything bad due to aforementioned privilege
>"Feel bad for me"

[Anonymous No.18508993]

>>18508982
It's a book about how jews think.

[Anonymous No.18509713]

>>18508378
only if it's about how tough the poor jews had it

[Anonymous No.18509716]

>>18508378
I like The Sandman

[Anonymous No.18509731]

>cat nazi, mouse jews so smart

This (>>18508571) is unironically the greatest graphic novel in the history of the medium :3

Simply because there are certain sections that literally ARE a book. It reads exactly like a book in some parts, some pages are just words, but the parts with comic strips are very wordy as well. Quite an interesting read indeed.

[Anonymous No.18509929]

>>18508378
If you rely heavily on illustration and images to tell a story then it is not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.18510154]

>>18508982
Yeah and the main character is revealed to be racist towards black people at the end of the book. It’s a little more nuanced than youre letting on

[Anonymous No.18510482]

>>18508378
Great lit prof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxEUGTvEFEU

[Anonymous No.18510499]

>>18510482
Did anyone see the glitch at 0:40?
Is he a machine elf?

[Anonymous No.18510590]

>>18510499
The lectures available on YouTube are all cut down from 2.5 hours and restructured for a general audience (unfortunately, his actual class lectures aren't available online). They're still good though.

https://youtu.be/uTXorZx9kO8 (this one is on Seth).

Lectures on Ariel, To the Lighthouse, Lolita, The Wasteland and quite a few more are up on his channel. (As I said though, I have to handicap them by saying they aren't the full class lectures...you can still get good shit out of them though (he's the Peterson of the English department).

[Anonymous No.18510653]

>>18508741
>chlorine
Literal retard

[Anonymous No.18510657]

>>18510590
Jet where we have finally drones who are blind to gender i think we need more woman at the military.

[Anonymous No.18510690]

>>18510653
Why?

[Anonymous No.18510707]

>>18510653
No really why Zyclon B is a much to easy death.

[Anonymous No.18510716]

>>18508378
Why does the establishment only give awards to books about suffering and death, especially muh holocaust stuff. I rather give that award to a beautiful shojo manga like Host Club or something.

[Anonymous No.18510725]

>>18510716
The establishment likes to stay by and say we did nothing wrong. They went frontline vs Afrika.

[Anonymous No.18510745]

>>18510716
Ugly woman and rich faggs first row.

[Anonymous No.18510749]

>>18508378
Only if it's about the sempiternal suffering of the kikes.

[Anonymous No.18510771]

>>18508571
>Its use of the unique qualities that only the graphic novel medium has was profound
>the super human heroes in it felt more real then most people you read.
>choice of color was marvelous and gave the world a unnatural quality
>even the use of font was carefully designed to send a message to the reader

Yeah, much better the Mauz by far if you ask me

[Anonymous No.18510773]

>>18510745
>Ugly woman
Haruhi is beautiful
>rich fagg
Cute rich fags

[Anonymous No.18510775]

>>18508623
If a childrens picture book can be lit so can a graphic novel

[Anonymous No.18510778]

>>18510773
We will find out what his parents told him and judge later.

[Anonymous No.18510781]

>>18510778
>We will find out what his parents told him and judge later.
Wdym

[Anonymous No.18510784]

>>18508571
Rorschach is literally a parody of a right wing conspiracy theorist btw. Why can't right wingers do art?

[Anonymous No.18510800]

>>18510784
Hes just a moral absolutist. Plenty of the alt-right would not go far enough to stand by what they know is right and wrong.

[Anonymous No.18510813]

>>18510800
He's a parody of the objectivist superheroes of Steve Ditko (especially Mr.A).

[Anonymous No.18510831]

>>18508378
Sorry, Jew. This is a Watchmen thread now.
>>18510813
>>18508571
Manhattan is the Superman as the Superman. Power beyond that of mortal man. But his phenomenal power divorces him from common man, to the point where he's entirely trapped within his own fate. Thus, he fails, even on his own metrics.

The Comedian is superhero as government agent, a man who just takes orders and thus becomes a monster. But even a monster has his limits, and when faced with Armageddon, he can't follow through and he dies without understanding, unable to laugh at the final punchline.

Dan's the superhero as everyman, the spidey style Superhero Who Could Be You. And since he's a regular schlub with erectile dysfunction, when the stakes get big enough, he has no idea what to do with himself. Thus he and Laurie just drop out.

And Ozy? The superhero as the overman, the one who has reached the limitations of humanity, and therefore, a man cut off from his peers and the common rules, driven only by the ends. Which means, of course, that if the ends fail (which they might), he has nothing. The smartest man on the cinder.

Rorschach, though, is different. He's the uncompromising hero, the one with a strict moral code that others may not understand (Like approving of Hiroshima while disdaining Ozy's similar solution), but that he can't ever step away from. There's no wavering on that point. It's fixed like the stars.

And in the end, when following his code means his own death or the end of the world? Well. That's just how it has to be. He's an unpleasant, smelly, miserable human being with no understanding of mercy, but he was at least able to stand by his beliefs to the end. The biggest failure as a human being was the only one who didn't fail in following his beliefs to their conclusion.

Their grim, horrifying, tragic, and probably futile conclusion

[Anonymous No.18510873]

>>18508982
A. He only gets more food cause hes smart idk how that's privilege.
wdym only 2 of his family survive? He almost dies multiple times(being shot at while peeing, typhus,etc.)
He is a grubby racist asshole who played a major role in his wife's suicide. The narrator has a difficult relationship with him.

[Anonymous No.18510880]

>>18508378
Did anyone else's book smell weird but good?

[Anonymous No.18510978]

>>18510873
>on a literature board
>doesn't understand what privilege is
read a book.

[Anonymous No.18510993]

>>18510784
Because people you don't like are bad at things you do like

[Anonymous No.18511013]

>>18508378
>when your phony genocide is so ridiculous you have to make it into a cute animal cartoon to get schoolchilden to believe it

[Anonymous No.18511033]

>>18510784
>Rorschach is literally a parody of a right wing conspiracy theorist btw.
Yet in the end he's entirely vindicated and is the only character with moral clarity.

Sometimes liberal writers hit upon the truth in spite of themselves.

[Anonymous No.18511037]

As this is a stealth /co/ thread I'll post the rest of this.

[Anonymous No.18511057]

In this triptych we see R. Crumb falling into the same pattern as Alan more. In his attempt to parody the insane reactionaries that live in his head he actually gives voice to his suppressed understanding. Art is greater than the artist, and allows his unconscious to bypass his ideological conditioning.

If you look at the first panel you see everything that's actually happening. From the depredations of jewish financiers like Paul Singer to the abuses of gentile women by moguls like Harvey Weinstien, his parody has come to mirror unvarnished reality.

[Anonymous No.18511074]

>>18508378
>Pulitzer Prize
Another shitty prize named after some noname nobody who spent money to get famous.

Book is just another WWII propaganda piece made by daj -oos to make sure we remember remember Germany 1941-1945 while forgetting forgetting Palestine 1948-Current day

>>18510154
Moral of the story: Be racist --> get cool shit

[Anonymous No.18511148]

>>18510775
But I don't think a child's book can be lit if it's made like comics

[Anonymous No.18511166]

>>18511148
Why?

[Anonymous No.18511176]

>>18508623
The definition of literature is
>written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit.
By that definition Watchmen is clearly /lit/ since the entire definition applies to it.

[Anonymous No.18511177]

>>18508378
I like how the americans were dogs.

[Anonymous No.18511182]

>>18511033
>>18511037
>>18511057
Nah, Crumb is hardcore like that. Retards just masturbate to him without having ever read the guy, if you actually stop to read his shit it's just blatant ephebophilia and calling people niggers to no end, sometimes just for fun. Any rationalizations of parody are just damage control

[Anonymous No.18511188]

>>18510784
idk, Rorschach was one of the ones I respected the most for sticking to his guns on all of it.

[Anonymous No.18511199]

>>18511182
The jews know who the real antisemities are and they've given him nothing but amplification over the years.

The last panel I posted is an dead-obvious parody of reactionaries.

Cool if true though.

>blatant ephebophilia
Where do you get that? Literally all of his coom material is about amazon women in their mid to late twenties with enormous asses and tits.

[Anonymous No.18511202]

>>18510784
>Moore has minced no words about how he never intended Rorschach to be a laudable hero. And over the years, he’s also talked about his opinion of Ditko’s openly Randian leanings.

>The writer respected Ditko’s commitment to putting his politics in his art, telling Comic Book Artist magazine that “that in some ways set him above most of his contemporaries.” But he felt pretty differently about the content of those politics.

>“I have to say I found Ayn Rand’s philosophy laughable,” Moore continued. “It was a ‘white supremacist dreams of the master race,’ burnt in an early-20th century form. Her ideas didn’t really appeal to me, but they seemed to be the kind of ideas that people would espouse, people who might secretly believe themselves to be part of the elite, and not part of the excluded majority.”

>Moore and Gibbons’ Rorschach isn’t the shining example of the philosophy that Mr. A represents. Rather than exhibiting objective moral beliefs about every person’s right to pursue their own happiness, he is a casual misogynist and homophobe. His closest allies find him, at best, off-putting and hard to get along with — contrary to Randian reasoning, his commitment to his ideals has not brought him personal success or happiness.
Holy shit Ayn Rand just got btfo'd so fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.18511205]

>>18510499
>Did anyone see the glitch at 0:40?
you're just seeing part of the inlaid background disappear.
have you never been on a Zoom call where someone is using those stupid backgrounds to cover up their real life abode because they were too lazy to clean up, or they are afraid people will think they're poor or unfashionable or have bad taste in furniture, etc?

[Anonymous No.18511206]

>>18511177
lol

Should have been eagles, and the russians, bears. It was one survivor's testimony that the two were placed in cages with jews to rip them apart. I'd like to see a cartoon depiction of that.

[Anonymous No.18511207]

>>18510784
>Why can't right wingers do art?
>Fernando Pessoa
>Thomas Mann
>Andrei Tarkovski
>HP Lovecraft

[Anonymous No.18511214]

>>18510716
you need to define "establishment".
then analyze who comprises it.
then you'll have your answer.

[Anonymous No.18511215]

>>18511199
It's one of those cultural mysteries, that we just can't figure out. Crumb is surely no conservative or right-winger, and as a label, his branding is that he is the crazy sexual comics from the hippie era (who hated hippies, interestingly). If you read his shit, he gets just on the verge of reasonable doubt where he can still backpedal and call his material satire.

Regarding ephebohilia, I can't remember the exact book, but many of his books of random drawings and such feature, among the iconic amazons, girls drawn and described by text as being teenagers and young teenagers, nude, in sexual contexts.

[Anonymous No.18511216]

>>18511166
>>18511176
I don't care for it. For me the watchmen is drawn more than it's written. Just like how a book is criticized for it's prose and style, the comics are and should be criticized for the style and the quality the art has. And yes watchmen was written but it didn't stay written, similar to how movie are written but later shot.
I don't hate comics but it's not literature for me.

[Anonymous No.18511219]

>>18511057
Here's what happened: you read a parody of your views and had an emotional reaction because "wow that's what I believe, so true!" then you had to rationalise agreeing with a parody that makes your views look insane.

Protip: that first panel is about the italian mafia, not jews, you have comprehension issues

[Anonymous No.18511220]

>>18511205
This fucking pretenders.
I still believe sth. is wrong with him.

[Anonymous No.18511222]

>>18511207
>Thomas Mann
Thought communism was better then fascism therefore he isn’t right wing.

[Anonymous No.18511229]

>>18511222
>thought that a piece of shit was better than a piece of turd
At this rate it's a marginal difference.

[Anonymous No.18511239]

>>18511222
My god a brainlet ...

[Anonymous No.18511248]

>>18511229
>>18511239
>During World War I, Mann supported Kaiser Wilhelm II's conservatism, attacked liberalism and supported the war effort, calling the Great War "a purification, a liberation, an enormous hope". Yet in Von Deutscher Republik (1923) as a semi-official spokesman for parliamentary democracy, Mann called upon German intellectuals to support the new Weimar Republic. He also gave a lecture at the Beethovensaal in Berlin on 13 October 1922, which appeared in Die neue Rundschau in November 1922 in which he developed his eccentric defence of the Republic, based on extensive close readings of Novalis and Walt Whitman. Thereafter, his political views gradually shifted toward liberal left and democratic principles.[38][39]

>He initially gave his support to the left-liberal German Democratic Party before shifting further left and urging unity behind the Social Democrats.[40][41]

>In 1930, Mann gave a public address in Berlin titled "An Appeal to Reason" in which he strongly denounced Nazism and encouraged resistance by the working class. This was followed by numerous essays and lectures in which he attacked the Nazis. At the same time, he expressed increasing sympathy for socialist ideas. When the Nazis came to power in 1933, Mann and his wife were on holiday in Switzerland. Due to his strident denunciations of Nazi policies, his son Klaus advised him not to return. In contrast to those of his brother Heinrich and his son Klaus, Mann's books were not among those burnt publicly by Hitler's regime in May 1933, possibly since he had been the Nobel laureate in literature for 1929. In 1936, the Nazi government officially revoked his German citizenship.

>During the war, Mann made a series of anti-Nazi radio-speeches, published as Listen, Germany!. They were recorded on tape in the United States and then sent to the United Kingdom, where the BBC transmitted them, hoping to reach German listeners.

>Mann expressed his belief in the collection of letters written in exile, Listen, Germany! (Deutsche Hörer!), that equating Russian communism with Nazi-fascism on the basis that both are totalitarian systems was either superficial or insincere in showing a preference for fascism.[42] He clarified this view during a German press interview in July 1949, declaring that he was not a communist, but that communism at least had some relation to ideals of humanity and of a better future. He said that the transition of the communist revolution into an autocratic regime was a tragedy while Nazism was only "devilish nihilism".[43][44]
Cope.

[Anonymous No.18511252]

>>18510784
>Why cant right wingers do art?
>Why cant left wingers do humor?

Guess thats it, huh?

[Anonymous No.18511259]

I wonder why...

[Anonymous No.18511269]

>>18511252
>John Stewart, George Carlin, Dave Chappelle, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Louis C.K., Bill Burr and Lenny Bruce can't do humor
KEK

[Anonymous No.18511294]

>>18511269
Plenty of these dudes are washed up though and seem to complain how fucking bad comedy is though which if you admit is also a leftist game then is largely leftists fault

[Anonymous No.18511300]

>>18511219
Here's what happened: you're coping.

Protip: By "first panel" I meant the first page. You have comprehension issues and don't know what the word "triptych" means.

[Anonymous No.18511301]

How does /lit/ rate this?

[Anonymous No.18511314]

>>18510784
>Why can't right wingers do art?
Right Wingers have created nearly every single art piece in existence.

[Anonymous No.18511317]

>>18511269
The only one of those who was actually funny was Eddie Murphy, whose humor was entirely apolitical. He made fun of FAGGOTS constantly though.

Richard Pryor too I guess, before he went to Africa and started delivering woke sermons about the beauty of his race.

[Anonymous No.18511335]

>>18511248
>Thinks the Weimar Republic is representative of right or left or conservative or liberal beliefs exclusively
retard

>Thinks Nazism is representative of the right-wing or conservative in any capacity, being the very embodiment of huge government systems that destroy previous institutions to obtain enormous centralized autocratic despotic power that controls the private property, economic enterprising capacity, micromanages the lives of its citizens and takes their civil and economic liberties

>declaring that he was not a communist,

[Anonymous No.18511340]

>>18511269
>Finding any of these faggots sans Chappelle funny

[Anonymous No.18511525]

>>18511269
>>John Stewart
Do they really?

[Anonymous No.18512727]

>>18511269
They're basically degenerate libertarians who only give a fuck about left-wing social issues because they don't directly affect their lives. Metropolitian liberals who think immigration means more takeout options within walking distance from their downtown luxury condo.

[Anonymous No.18512782]

>>18511340
>finding chappelle funny
haha yeah yt bad amirite

[Anonymous No.18512800]

>>18508378
Gee. I wonder why…

[Anonymous No.18512805]

>>18508623
I’ve read manga which I maintain are /lit/. They’re no Moby Dick or Don Quixote but they’re not just low brow commercial pop art schlock either.

[Anonymous No.18512823]

>>18511207
Lovecraft became a moderate socialist at the end of his life.

[Anonymous No.18512853]

>>18508982
>force jews to do manual labor
>get accused of genocide
Really jogs the noggin, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.18512893]

>>18512823
What kind of retarded logic is this? He was still extremely right wing when writing the books and the whole idea is that right wingers can't create art. It doesn't matter if he decided to become left wing at the end of their life.

[Anonymous No.18513065]

>>18508378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bSR9VdS5v4
comics are a great medium but it got stuck with superheroes to the point where people think all comics are about superheroes and stigma about anything drawn is for kids

[Anonymous No.18513141]

>>18508378
im gonna write my magnum opus and im gonna win the man booker prize and im gonna shake lena dunhams hand

[Anonymous No.18513194]

>>18510716
Because that shit is kitsch trash.

[Anonymous No.18513204]

>>18512853
Soviet joke time:

> Two Jewish rabbis are sitting in a public toilet and having a real hard time making number two.
> At last one of them says:
> "Hey Chaim, what do you think - what we're doing now, is it mental labor or physical?"
> The other ponders for a while and finally answers:
> "Must the mental. If it was physical we'd pay some goy to do it for us."

[Anonymous No.18513213]

>>18512805
Any examples? I really love YKK and Otoyomegatari, but I'm not sure I would call them /lit/. So much of what makes them great comes through the artwork rather than just the writing, as would be expected of the medium.

[Anonymous No.18513236]

>>18511301
Astro City, right? The first issue was really good but when the original writers left it went downhill

[Anonymous No.18513239]

>>18511214

[Anonymous No.18513242]

What are some good graphic novels (not manga)?

[Anonymous No.18513251]

>>18509929
It is both /art/ and /lit/

[Anonymous No.18513259]

>>18513213
Well what makes something /lit/ or not /lit/ in your view? I now suspect that you’d find them not /lit/ regardless of which ones I’d mentioned.

[Anonymous No.18513274]

>>18511033
>>18511037
>>18511057
>implying this is parody
Do you also think Pynchon is parody?

[Anonymous No.18513358]

>>18512893
>>18512823
typical lefty rhetoric is to fuck with the boundaries and lines they draw. bad lefties are actually right wing and not true communists, good right wingers are actually socialists at heart and are misled.
it's the same thing fundamentalist religious folk do with good people who are irreligious being deemed "faithful at heart" and bad people being "religious only in name, using god's name in vain"

[Anonymous No.18513416]

>>18513259
I was just curious what manga in particular you considered to be /lit/ because I might be interested in reading them. I'm not the guy you originally replied to and I wasn't planning on trying to BTFO you and tell you your picks aren't /lit/ or anything like that. In consideration of the question, I just think that manga artists have a greater passion for drawing than for writing. They are generally more focused on telling a story through artwork than through writing, which creates a distinction from /lit/. An exceptionally well written manga could maybe change my perspective, though.

[Anonymous No.18513571]

>>18513416
I agree with what you said. I guess I have a tendency to blend drawing and writing in so far as they tell a story because I see both of them as a sort of “writing” if you know what I mean. But if I had to answer I would say Oyasumi Pun Pun, 20th Century Boys, The Summit of the Gods, and possibly Death Note and Attack on Titan. I know people disagree with that last one but I still think it’s true. Possible Tokyo Ghoul but I’m not convinced. There’s others but I’m having trouble recalling them off the top of my head right now.

[Anonymous No.18513599]

>>18510784
Most writers prior to the 1950s are right wing

[Anonymous No.18513978]

>>18511301
This art style is repulsive.

[Anonymous No.18514003]

>>18513599
no wonder it fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.18514067]

>>18514003
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.18514922]

>>18508715
You should read Calvin & Hobbes.

[Anonymous No.18514980]

>>18513242
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac. I haven't actually read it yet but it looks pretty fun.

[Blarty Hongo !H0lVGXJNm6 No.18515043]

From Hell is great.

>>18514980
I used to love JTHM, once upon a time. I'm afraid I may not like it if I go back to it, though.

>>18510831
Not a bad take, aside from the Jew thing.

[Anonymous No.18515070]

>>18513213
Akira is definitely /lit/.

[Anonymous No.18515074]

>>18512782
Earlier Chapelle wasn’t as bad with that shit. I don’t care for the guy at all really, but he certainly had some good bits.

[Anonymous No.18515090]

muh hall of cost

[Anonymous No.18516364]

>>18513358
Youve never read leftist theory in your life

[Anonymous No.18516394]

>>18516364
What does "leftist theory" even mean?

[Anonymous No.18516449]

>>18516394
I just figured it out, your talking about books. I was confused because that has pretty much nothing to do with what he was talking about. He was clearly referring to people who talk about other people. Not people who write books on theories.

[Anonymous No.18516459]

Why was this comic book mandatory reading for me in elementary achool as well as at least two more holocaust books? There arent that many jews in america, why is this required reading

[Anonymous No.18516659]

>>18508378

[Anonymous No.18516667]

>>18514003
That's the only good literature.

[Anonymous No.18516669]

>>18508378
/co/ here

You can talk about comics there.

>>18516659
Meh, you could do better.

[Anonymous No.18516673]

>>18508378
Lecture on this one: >>18510590

[Anonymous No.18516677]

>>18509716
Me too anon, I also like it

[Anonymous No.18516693]

>>18516669
This is /lit. This discussion belongs on this board.

[Anonymous No.18516699]

is this lit?

[Anonymous No.18516707]

>>18516669
Go watch cartoons. This is /lit.

[Anonymous No.18516710]

>>18516699
that's /co/

[Anonymous No.18516712]

>>18516707

[Anonymous No.18516721]

>>18516707
Your point? You're still talking about a comic in the literature area.

[Anonymous No.18516738]

>>18516710
>In 2019, the graphic novel was ranked 47th on The Guardian's list of the 100 best books of the 21st century.
Let me know when your spiderman does this.

[Anonymous No.18516746]

>>18509716
it's a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.18516754]

>>18516721
A condensed lecture from a course titled "Literature for Our Time" being taught at one of the best universities in the world. Specifically discussing the Graphic Novel's place in literature: https://youtu.be/uTXorZx9kO8?t=650 (time stamped)

If you want people to applaud you for reading Wallace and Pynchon go start a thread; with any luck you'll start up a nice masturbatory circlejerk. Otherwise, come up with something better than "Dey LoWbroW cArToONz FoR bABiEs!"

Midwit.

[Anonymous No.18516780]

boy those Jewish awards sure do love art about nazis.

[Anonymous No.18516800]

>>18510831
>approve of Hiroshima
>disdaining Ozy's similar solution
But the atom bomb was dropped by the president, an elected official. Ozy was just some guy. While the actions themselves are similar, there's still a difference.

[Anonymous No.18516824]

>>18516754

Ok, kid. You're as deep as the ocean, which is 80% nothing and 10% trash with only 10% of anything meaningful, but here's the interesting part. That last 10% are smarts from another person's mouth. You got nothing in you that's original, and you follow trends because you think it makes you look better in the eyes of others, not because you want to better yourself as a person. You're shallow. Plus, it doesn't change the fact that it's a comic.

[Anonymous No.18516901]

>>18516824
If you consider your personal tastes so discerning (as pseuds often do), you should probably look up "mixed metaphors" and learn why they're to be avoided.

Do you have any other midwit takes or are we done here?

[Anonymous No.18516942]

>>18516901
It looks like we're at an impass, but please do go on about how a graphic novel isn't just a comic but something more.

Shallow.

[Anonymous No.18517035]

>>18516942
>It looks like we're at an impass(sic), but please do go on about how a graphic novel isn't just a comic but something more.
Sorry, but pretentious pseuds shouldn't be directed towards nuance--it's funnier for everyone when they write multisentence mixed metaphors and incorrectly use/spell words ("impass" LOL).

[Anonymous No.18517060]

>>18516364
Actually, I am right and smart while you are dumb and stupid. I have mindlessly consumed more books. Read more theory chud, You'll see I'm right. You only disagree because you're a fascist pig.

[Anonymous No.18517578]

>>18509731
Bad take. Watchmen is great on its own merits, not because it's "like a book".

[Anonymous No.18517588]

What do you guys think about Lone Sloane?

[Anonymous No.18517597]

Skypiea is pretty lit if you know what I'm saying

[Anonymous No.18517655]

>>18508378
>Can comic books be lit?
Comic books rely on both written, information( like literature) and visual information( like art) to convey the books message.
As such they are a mixture of both lit and art, but not really one or the other.
Comic books with no written dialogue do exist, and those would just fall under art.
Comic books with no art would just be /lit/ and therefore wouldn’t be comic books.

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>>18510784
>Rorschach is literally a parody of a right wing conspiracy theorist btw. Why can't right wingers do art?
They can, most viewers and readers just don’t fucking see the meaning, and accept some bullshit explanation handed to them by the author if they get curious.

[Anonymous No.18517680]

>>18509731
>Simply because there are certain sections that literally ARE a book. It reads exactly like a book in some parts, some pages are just words, but the parts with comic strips are very wordy as well. Quite an interesting read indeed.
The artwork, and colorization, and layout, and possibly the lettering, all have meaning.
Without these, the dialogue would be meaningless.

[Anonymous No.18517691]

>>18510775
>If a childrens picture book can be lit so can a graphic novel
Children’s illustrated books are mostly /co/, with some that are a hybrid of /co/ and /lit/.
If the dialogue can stand on its own without the artwork, then it’s /lit/,
If it looses the meaning without the artwork, it’s /co/.

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>>18508715
Ignorant Anon.

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>>18509716
>I like The Sandman
Hasn’t Neil Gaiman written as many novels as he has Graphic Novels?

[Anonymous No.18517762]

>>18517597
Based Onepiece chad.

[Anonymous No.18517971]

>>18511207
None of those are wingers
Hating the modern world doesn't suddenly make you jack off to men in tights, turdbrain
>>18512823
Nor does a dawning sense of empathy make you a socialist
>Muh left-wing right-wing - EVERYONE GOTTA THINK LIKE ME
You are all the same

[Anonymous No.18518010]

>>18508378
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and From Hell say they can, YES.

[Anonymous No.18518020]

>>18516738
Funny you mock Spider-Man when Kirby is one of Moore's main influence.

[Anonymous No.18518028]

>>18513242
From Hell, Promethea, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Hellboy, Preacher, The Sandman and V for Vendetta.

[Anonymous No.18518038]

>>18508623
By /lit/, they obviously mean having literary merit and being of exceptionally high quality that can compare to those of the great novels.

[Anonymous No.18518067]

>>18511207
Mann is not right, nor is he left. He is above that, but obviously people like Tolkien or Joseph Conrad would be great examples.

[Anonymous No.18518151]

>>18511033
>>18511037
>>18511057
This sort of blatant racism is irreconcilable with Christianity.

[Anonymous No.18518255]

>>18511033
>vindicated
Someone didn't get the ending.

[Anonymous No.18518315]

Best comic mentioned in this yet.

[Anonymous No.18518379]

>>18509731
>but the parts with comic strips are very wordy as well
There are entire pages without any written word.

[Anonymous No.18518399]

>>18517035
How I see it, it’s funnier that you trying so hard to avoid talking about comics on /co/. Say whatever you want. Still not going to change the fact that you’re wrong.

[Anonymous No.18518453]

>>18508571
This comic fucking sucks. It's the representation of Moore's disillusionment with his childhood dream of making comics. It's more sad than anything else. Like a lonely woman who gets angry when she sees a little kid enjoying a Disney movie.

[Anonymous No.18518624]

>>18513242
CEREBUS THE AARDVARK

[Anonymous No.18518921]

Interesting topic. Interesting thread. I’m not sure graphic novels will ever supplant novels or even rival them in their perceived literary merit but there’s something to the idea that it’s an appropriate storytelling medium for our age.

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>>18518453
Wrong, it's indicative of his disappointment with strips, so he stepped in and said that they can be so much more and proved it.

[Anonymous No.18519274]

>>18508378
>maus
more like "rats"

[Anonymous No.18519746]

>>18518020
an apple was Newton's main influence but I don't beat off to it.

[Anonymous No.18519826]

>>18519746
False equivalency, dummy.

[Anonymous No.18519936]

>>18519826
Stated influences have no relevancy, retard.

[Anonymous No.18519970]

>>18508378
The art is mediocre, it won because if it didn't win, they would have called the P. Prize people Nazis... It was made a winner through fear, not merit.

[Anonymous No.18520033]

>>18510784
>Why can't right wingers do art?
Cause we have real jobs that contribute to society.

[Anonymous No.18520424]

>>18508378
>"graphic novel" thread
>no mention of visual novel lit
I've yet to read a book with a better metanarrative than Umineko.

[Anonymous No.18520436]

>>18508378
Holocaust bait wins an award
I’m shocked

[Anonymous No.18520669]

>>18508378
>Jew writes a comic about the holocaust and wins an award named after another jew
Comics are their own medium as other posters have said. They don't need to be /lit/. If a comic is great by the standards of literature then it is probably average as a comic.

[Anonymous No.18520819]

>>18520669
>nothing can ever transcend a medium
No wonder pol chuds can't into art.

[Anonymous No.18520837]

>>18520819
>pol chuds can't into art.
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.18520881]

>>18520837
That's a lot of work to discard an opinion. Why do chuds lack self awareness?

[Anonymous No.18520963]

>>18508378
lol rat jews

[Anonymous No.18520968]

>>18510716
worst Haruhi.

[Anonymous No.18520985]

>>18520881
>Why do chuds lack self awareness?
>Ignores post in were Chud spammer was exposed as an Israeli troll
Is this real life? Are we in hell?

[Anonymous No.18521037]

>>18520968
>worst Haruhi.
wdym

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>>18518624
Carebus is an interesting topic, on one hand, it's pretty damn good. On the other, the author fucking drop acid each day for one whole month and had a stroke. When he awoke he was a totally different man, a broken make with a comic to write. Style for it was amazing but story-wise it's batshit crazy because Dave went fucking crazy, and as soon as he started having women problems he forced that shit into the comic.

So I say sure check it out but you don't need to read all of it.

[Anonymous No.18522199]

Shitloads of manga are /lit/ tier but westoids in charge will never read them