/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18498761]

>Novel is just a vehicle through which the author delivers his philosophical or political viewpoint

[Anonymous No.18498772]

https://voca.ro/15npJmtyLnIg

[Anonymous No.18498774]

>>18498761
>novel is just a vehicle through which the author flexes his metaphorical skills
That's me

[Anonymous No.18498779]

>>18498772
I'm not clicking in it.

[Anonymous No.18498807]

>>18498772
You okay man? You sound sick.

[Anonymous No.18499338]

>>18498761
>Reader expects an unbiased presentation of objective truth or fiction totally detached from any purpose beyond just entertainment
>Reader will stop reading at first detection of philosophical of political view point
Shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.18499373]

>>18498761
>Reader is not ready to see the point of writing is for the writer to advance their perspective philosophically or politically whether it be commercial or social achievement

[Anonymous No.18499376]

>>18498761
>Shitpost is just a vehicle through which the OP delivers his philosophical or political viewpoint

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>>18498761
Nothin wrong with that

[Anonymous No.18499429]

>>18498761
That is entirely reasonable. Look at Aesop's Fables. The fables are clearly metaphors through which the author delivers his moral and political points. However, the fables are what makes the book entertaining. Without the fables it would be much too dry. Therefore we can say that fiction is sometimes a good way to deliver philosophical or political points.
But then there's books like Candide by the eternal redditor Voltaire. The book gives you the impression that he refutes Leibniz's philosophical position, when in reality it's a complete strawman. But the viewer will get the impression that Leibniz was wrong from reading the book, because they are not interpreting the work as a work of philosophy, where the reasoning has to be slow, careful and precise, but rather a work of fiction, where the standards are much more relaxed, especially given its comedic genre. It's really easy to refute someone's philosophical position when your form of refutation is not explicitly an honest philosophical/scientific investigation of the truth of the matter, especially when the form is comedy, where mistakes are forgiven because they make things sound funnier. This is the whole shtick of current late night hosts like John Oliver, Jon Steward, Trevor Noah, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert, Larry Wilmore and Jimmy Kimmel, and this is in part what allows them to be so dishonest and get away with it. "Seriously, you're trying to refute points made by a comedian for comedic value? Get serious!".
Therefore the conclusion that I came to is that using fiction as a vehicle for philosophical, political or moralistic points is only appropriate when you're trying to indoctrinate kids with good values, because their minds are much more receptive to stories and not developed enough to handle a philosophical argument. Other than that it's pure dishonest propaganda with no dialectical value.

[Anonymous No.18499438]

>>18498761
It's not "just" a vehicle.

[Anonymous No.18499441]

>>18498761
>>Novel is just a vehicle through which the author delivers his philosophical or political viewpoint
Those are the only good kind of novels.

[Anonymous No.18499446]

>>18498772
You almost died there, mate.

[Anonymous No.18499450]

>mfw reading novel with a philosophical or political viewpoint that I agree with

[Anonymous No.18499455]

>>18499417
I love Boxxy
I miss her /b/ros

[Anonymous No.18499456]

>mfw reading novel with philosophical or political viewpoint that I disagree with

[Anonymous No.18499460]

>mfw reading novel with a philosophical or political viewpoint that I disagree with

[Anonymous No.18499473]

>>18498761
Obnoxious face. Thread hidden.

[Anonymous No.18499476]

Novels are for entertainment and possibly for cultural education (classic novels). That's it.
If you want to learn philosophy, open a philosophy book.

[Homer No.18499489]

>>18499476
Excuse me?
Who do you think gave Plato the biggest metaphysical dick of all time?

[Anonymous No.18499501]

>>18498761
>create any product and not be totally objective = : |

Are you retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.18499509]

>>18498761
No. A novel (or any other piece of art) is a vehicle for the author to convey some deep desire or feeling through a beautiful form. It can have an articulate, political message, but it is not a necessity.

[Anonymous No.18499812]

>>18499509
your use of commas makes me uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.18499823]

>>18499417
that’s funny cause last time I replied to something stupid you said I told you to “stay retarded” and you actually did

[Anonymous No.18499861]

>>18499429
>animeposter
>seething over liberal US late night hosts
>"""dialectical value"""

I seriously hope this is bait

[Anonymous No.18499866]

>>18498772
Based

[Anonymous No.18499892]

>>18498761
>novel has no viewpoints to offer and leads absolutely nowhere

[Anonymous No.18500063]

How exactly do you write a story promoting a topic without it being overly preachy though?

[Anonymous No.18500079]

>>18498761
what is the thot concerned about? She clearly doesn't read, by definition.

[Anonymous No.18500084]

>>18500063
Maybe don’t PROMOTE a topic. Familiarize yourself with its facets and try to comprehend its essence and it’s various iterations. This way you might be able to produce something insightful and true without even realizing, and especially without saying something trite, redundant or tin-eared

[Anonymous No.18500139]

literally the only books i read . not interested in stories just for the sake of the story . what a waste of time . need ideas, me. cause im a thinker. cant stop thinking

[Anonymous No.18500145]

>>18500084
So explore an idea, critique an idea for its weaknesses and strengths, but don't wholly endorse it? Or have characters that agree and characters that disagree, while putting my best effort not to strawmen either side?

[Anonymous No.18500176]

>>18500145
How about abandon a categorization of good/bad entirely— not because it isn’t relevant, but because life is not presented to us in this organized fashion. Leave it to your reader to determine what’s good and bad. Characters can have opinions and reactions to the real world, but making them align along certain preset channels can only tell us what we already know.

[Anonymous No.18500221]

>>18500145
do what all good propaganda does - compare it to a strawman.

[Anonymous No.18500228]

>>18500145
You should just actually believe your beliefs, but completely, all the way down to your bones. And then proceed to write unpretentiously about the world as you see it, and let your philosophy permeate every sentence and plot point.

[Anonymous No.18500296]

>>18498761
Der Text ist klüger als sein Autor.

[Anonymous No.18500510]

the highest value that can be found in a novel, or in anything else, is aesthetic. anything else is not only tangential, but tainting or diluting.