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18493319 No.18493319 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw /fit/cels owned by Plato

>> No.18493357

Dear >>18493319 , as a /fit/zen I shall grace you with the canon response derived from the council of aristocrats and monks of /fit/land, after thread upon threads of scholastic debates:

Cope.

That's all. Have a good day.

>> No.18493376

>>18493357
Your quarrel is with one of the greatest minds in philosophical tradition the world has ever known, not me. Funnily enough, it sounds like you're coping.

>> No.18493391

>>18493319
it literally is saying it's best to be swift, strong, and healthy.. sounds /fit/ to me.

>> No.18493394

>>18493376
>Your quarrel is with one of the greatest minds in philosophical tradition the world has ever known
According to who? Virgins like you? The only greek philosopher i recognize is Kyriakos.

>> No.18493396

>>18493319
People listen attentively to the muscular overman. People disregard the squeaky skinny intellectual.

>> No.18493402

>>18493391
So, less like Pro-BB's and PowerBloaters, and more like The Bioneer?

>> No.18493419

>>18493319
Gyms are full of normalfags and failed normalfaggots. If anyone cares about fitness then hiking, running, mountain climbing, cycling, swimming etc. Are really good.

Bodybuilding without any pragmatic value is shallow consoomerist mindset.

>> No.18493420

>>18493319
Post where he calls them homos.

>> No.18493424

So the optimal all rounder like a soldier?

>> No.18493432

>>18493394
>According to w-who?
kek you're coping hard

>> No.18493437

that sounds like aristotle's nicomachean ethics with his obsession with the mean.

>> No.18493438

>>18493396
All depends on personality. I've seen muscular men get ignored and skinny guys taken seriously.

>> No.18493444

>>18493432
https://voca.ro/12H2pKDauYTi

>> No.18493446

>>18493319
Mens sana in corpore sano idiot

>> No.18493456

>>18493446
read the post again maybe you'll a thought for once

>> No.18493472

>>18493456
/fit/cels are not owned by Plato, because Plato recognizes that a healthy person needs a healthy body to contain a healthy mind. Neither must the one person be too focused on the body while paying no attention to the mind, nor the opposite. Therefore, a truly good citizen, according to Plato, is he who is both /lit/ and /fit/.
Plato is not "owning the /fit/tards", he is praising them, as long as they exercise with moderation, balance, and proportion. Maybe YOU should try to understand the thought behind a post before you reply, so next time, I ask of you, please do think before writing again. And fix that excruciating typo you've written. "you'll a thought"

>> No.18493479

>>18493472
what does
>nor yet the healthy
mean to you

>> No.18493507

>>18493472
Look at the cope.

>> No.18493510

>>18493479
What does "The body which achieves a mean between all these extreme conditions is by far the soundest and best-balanced" mean to you?
Would you not call health that which is best for the body and mind? Or are you perhaps suggesting that the best thing for your body is precisely the extreme he says makes the soul abject and groveling? Cope, seethe, and please do a few push-ups - you need them.

>> No.18493511

>>18493444
https://vocaroo.com/fyZdrGLCa0

>> No.18493546

>>18493396
Plato isn't saying don't be muscular, are you and the other /fit/ard above illiterate? He's advocating the middle way - something which greeks very well understood and practised. In our age most men are either skinny, (pseudo)intellectual gamer NEET shut-ins, or (aspiring) meatheads who only work out or read up on supplements and MUH NUTRITION in their downtime. Both of these extremes are retarded and harmful for the body/soul. Of course, most of us aren't these caricatures, but nonetheless aspire to one of these ideals, when we should be embracing and balacing both the physical and mental aspects of our being. And no - reading some gymbro altfag's twitter posts about how "the real nordic man worked out" does not fall under mental activity.

>> No.18493554

>being fat
not based
>being a gymfag obsessed with muh musclez
not based
>being in shape and running 5k every day
bayzed

>> No.18493565

>>18493510
He's advocating that the body not get "in the way" of the mind/soul. The body is of second order importance for Plato and not "equal"

>> No.18493606

>>18493565
Fair enough, that's true.

>> No.18493817

>>18493511
this guy is a philosopher

>> No.18493841

>>18493511
what's this accent called?

>> No.18493883

>>18493394
Comfy neet monks and later philosophers who were smart enough to get paid for sitting on their asses, unlike your wagecuck self.

>> No.18495307

>>18493444
You're right but sound like a literal fag. Stick to text.

>> No.18495351

>>18493546
this

>> No.18495439

>>18493419
>Bodybuilding without any pragmatic value is shallow consoomerist mindset.

do you not see the irony?

>> No.18495451

>>18493841
>https://vocaroo.com/fyZdrGLCa0
scorsesean

>> No.18495454

>>18495451
It sounds like a secondary character from The Sopranos.

>> No.18495483
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18495483

>>18493319
>being fit is a sign of hubris
lmao no, cope harder

>> No.18495499

>>18495483
hehe *no argument*

>> No.18495523

>>18495499
Being fit does not imply that one is arrogant, nor do I believe it is even that correlated. I think whoever's logic that one ought to exist in some middle ground because fit -> arrogance and fat -> abjectness is crude, misleading, and overall harmful to public discourse. Achieving fitness is something that should be desirable.

In other words, cope with being a skinnyfat plebian trying to logically weasel yourself out of hardship by blindly classifying people will physical fitness as all "bold and boastful".

>> No.18495536

>>18493394
Kyraikos is indeed a noble spirit but you must see that most fitizens, and especially the fitlit den, because of their own illusions to knowledge, are quite limited in their understand of everything.

t. philosophy tard and 2/3/4/6 @ 78kg - 15%bw

>> No.18495561

>>18495523
it's the placing of the body above/equal to the mind that is the contention here. lmao @ thinking that putting a weight up and down is somehow 'enlightening' and counts as 'hardship'

>> No.18495619

>>18495561
Physical health is an important part of having a sharp mind. Maybe lifting weight is not enlightening or hard, but the daily ritual of self care enough to become fit is something that is desirable. Maybe on a scale of all available activities working out is not the greatest, but it is far far better than most.

>> No.18495622

>>18495619
see>>18493565

>> No.18495667

Soma Sema. Simple as.

>> No.18496251

>>18493357
fpbp

>> No.18496258

>>18495536
post body

>> No.18497782

>>18493357
seethe

>> No.18498018

>>18493554
100 pushups
100 squats
100 sit ups
10k run
Everyday
(don't do this, you will destroy your legs)

>> No.18498043

itt dyels coping

>> No.18498079

>>18498018
ok saitama

>> No.18498212

Sports, then, may be defined as a reaction the conditions under which man lives in the large cities. This reaction is dependent upon the increasing mechanization of motion. "Savages" do not practice sports. They exercise their physical faculties; they play, dance, and sing, but there is nothing sportslike in these activities, even if they are performed with virtuosity. Our best sportsmen significantly hail from the industrial districts where mechanization is at its highest, particularly from the cities. Farmers, foresters, professional hunters, and fishermen, those whose movements are free of mechanical compulsion, rarely practice sports. The headway that sports are making in the rural districts is in fact a yardstick of advancing mechanization, particularly the mechanization of farming. For the operation of that machinery changes the muscular development and with it the operator's movements. In older generations, lifelong hard manual labor had produced that heaviness and hardness of body, that clumsiness typical of the peasant. Now these features are disappearing. He becomes nimble and more agile since the machine relieves him from direct contact with the soil. The driver of a tractor or a combine has a body different from that of the ploughman or the mower.
It is not easy to draw a sharp line between play and sports, because there is hardly a game that cannot be practiced as a sport. The Olympic Games of the Greeks, obviously, were not sports but festivals of a religious character, combined with contests. They cannot be called sports simply because of the absence of the industrial scene, which is the background of what we moderns term sports. What we call Olympic games in memory of antiquity are highly technical sports to which flock the specialists from all countries. There is a difference between the man for whom hunting or swimming, fishing or rowing are natural pursuits, parts of his life, and the man who practices hunting, swimming, fishing, or rowing as a sport. The latter obviously is a technician who has developed to perfection the mechanical side of his activity. The equipment of the modern sportsman alone indicates this. To get an impression of the growing mechanization, we need only look at the tools used in sports, all those elaborate fishing rods and reels, all those scientific golf balls and clubs, the stop watches, time clocks, measuring devices, starting machines, and so on. In the exact timings of motions and split-second recordings of modern sports we find again that organization and control of the consumption of time that characterize technology.
And is not the sportsman's lingo a language of typically mechanical hardness?

>> No.18498218

>>18498212
A man who starts to jump and run for the sheer joy of jumping and running and who stops when the mood has left him is entirely different from the man who enters an athletic event in which, under guidance of technical rules and with the use of time clocks and measuring apparatus, he jumps and runs in an attempt to break a record. The high pleasure that swimming and diving give us is due to the touch of water, its crystal freshness, its coolness, purity, transparency, and gentle yielding. This delight, obviously, is of no significance in contests where professional swimmers perform. For the purpose of such contests is to find out which swimmer has the most perfect technique and consequently reaches the goal faster than the rest. Training for record-breaking is essentially an intensification of will power aimed at complete mastery over the body which has to obey mechanically. Such an effort may be quite useful and effective. But the more the training for, and the breaking of, records become ends in themselves, the more sterile they grow.
The physique of the modern athlete betrays the one-sided training to which it is subjected. His body is trained, but it is anything but beautiful. The body-building, as effected by specialized sports, does not achieve beauty, because it lacks proportion, something a body devoted to special training no more can have than a mind narrowed down to highly specialized interests. When the sports-trained body is considered beautiful, it is due not merely to the absence of a trained eye, to insufficient study of the nude. No, an appraisal of this sort also expresses the fact that the human body is judged by mechanical criteria such as muscular dimensions and, in particular, by the specialized training it shows. These criteria, however, lack appreciation for the quiet, effortless fullness of beauty; they do not consider relaxed easiness or charm and grace. These viewpoints are deficient in spirituality as well as in sensuality. Unbalance and exaggeration of physique as bred by modern sports are most striking with women. Both their bodies and their faces acquire hardened, sterile traits. Modern sports are incompatible with any kind of artistic life and activity; they are essentially unartistic and unspiritual by nature.
A comparison suggests itself between the sportsman and the ascetic, who is also a professional, though in quite a different sense. The training of the sportsman has an ascetic trait, and through all sports we find a certain puritanism, a strict hygiene of physical habits, which controls sleep, nutrition, and sex life from the viewpoint of efficiency. Sportsmen are not a group of people who exuberantly express their abundance of vital energy, but a tribe of strict professionals who rigidly economize their every ounce of strength, lest they waste a single motion of their money-making, fame-making physique.

>> No.18498336

>>18498018
Isn't that a good workout if I replace the 10k run with rope jumping and add in some pull ups?

>> No.18498944

>>18493319
And what is this "mean" he is talking about you fucking faggot?
I thought so. You cannot define it.

>> No.18498970

>>18493841
Early JonTron.

>> No.18498971

>>18498212
Perfect.

>> No.18498996

>>18493402
exactly, functional fitness is best for everyone unless you are trying to compete in being the strongest thing on the planet

>> No.18500646

>>18498996
Cringe.

>> No.18500767

>>18493437
Aristotle was a Platonist, despite what the Jewish university industrial complex has told you.

>> No.18500796

>>18500767
>Aristotle was a Platonist
In some ways.

Both of those words are vague in this context, after all :3

>> No.18501041

>>18493357
truthfully