/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18490579]

Naval Battle Edition

Previous Thread:>>18477055

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>>>/t/1023504

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Never going to be created.

[Anonymous No.18490598]

Sex Books.

[Anonymous No.18490621]

Any SFF that incorporates Sumerian legend and Annunaki?

[Anonymous No.18490628]

>>18490579
>Discord
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>Book Club Selection
Black Stone Heart
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50336223-black-stone-heart

> A broken man, Khraen awakens alone and lost. His stone heart has been shattered, littered across the world. With each piece, he regains some small shard of the man he once was.
> He follows the trail, fragment by fragment, remembering his terrible past.
> There was a woman.
> There was a sword.
> There was an end to sorrow.
> Khraen walks the obsidian path.

[Anonymous No.18490653]

need more books with sex

[Anonymous No.18490712]

What's the comfiest editions of the Lord of the Rings to get?
I have a hardback set of the LOTR by harper collins green paper cover, glued signatures and about 15 by 23 cm which I don't like that much
Are there any with a proper cloth binding and smyth sewing?
What size do you think is the best?
Is pic related a meme set?

[Anonymous No.18491064]

>>18490621
The Book of All Hours by Hal Duncan
Snow Crash by Stephen Donaldson

[Anonymous No.18491116]

What's some cutting edge Asian sci-fi? especially interested in China, Japan and South East Asia, no weeb or YA...

[Anonymous No.18491120]

>>18491064
>snow crash
>by oi! Punk Stephen donaldson?
Dont stroke out on me boy!

[Anonymous No.18491235]

>>18491116
>Asian
>not weeb

[Anonymous No.18491304]

>>18491235
It needs to be clarified, I asked for Asian novels in the other thread and anon recommended the novelization of an anime.

[Anonymous No.18491323]

>>18491304
Anime LNs are good though. I respectfully don't discuss them here because that's what /a/ is for, but I think you're missing out.

[Anonymous No.18491329]

>>18491304
You can't really divorce Japanese culture from anime anon, they are part of the same living organism. You will never appreciate Japanese culture, even "cutting edge sci-fi," if you blindly try to ignore a huge chunk of it because you associate it with western mouthbreathers or whatever. Ghost in the Shell and Lain will probably have influenced every Japanese sci-fi novel you ever read to some degree (including degrees of separation here, of course.)

[Anonymous No.18491333]

>>18491304
Sci fi LNs are pretty different from western books. Western are heavily influenced by dystopias, or ideologized future, while LNs are often about future you might want to live in.

[Anonymous No.18491341]

>>18491329
I never said I ignore anime, ghost in the shell is one of my favorite movies. But I am not looking for anime right now, but hard Sci-fi novels by Asian authors.

Furthermore: the idea that every Japanese person must love and be influenced by anime is weeb and wrong.

[Anonymous No.18491350]

>>18491329
That's like saying if you look for a Sci fi book by a European author you should be happy to get recommended a biography of Saint Francis of Assisi, because Christianity influenced all European authors and is part of the same living breathing culture.

[Anonymous No.18491354]

>>18490598
Any examples?

[Anonymous No.18491359]

>>18491341
I'm not the anon who suggested it, but I thought Psycho Pass was a good suggestion. I haven't read the novelisation but the show is quite good and definitely very sci-fi/cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.18491360]

>>18491329
Can't forget about chinese bringing their history and philosophy to their sci fi, or japanese sci fi writers often choosing the genres they grew up as setting for their story, like mecha, kaiju, etc.
For example, recent high budget chinese sci fi anime is image related.

[Anonymous No.18491363]

>>18491341
>Furthermore: the idea that every Japanese person must love and be influenced by anime is weeb and wrong.
You misunderstood my point. Note "degrees of separation." Think of it like 9/11 in the USA, or WW2 in Germany, or something. Not everyone was personally affected by 9/11 or WW2, but their influence runs deep within their respective cultures. Every single person born in Germany is influenced heavily by WW2. That's just how influence works. Likewise, anime is a significant organ pumping within Japan. Every single Japanese person is influenced by anime. Even someone who hasn't seen anime will be influenced in some ways by association, like reading a book that was indeed influenced by anime. You can't look at Japanese culture and try to dichotomize anime/not anime. It just doesn't work like that. A Japanese person will certainly not look at a novelization of an anime series, for example, and think, "oh this is anime." The thought will not even cross their mind, for anime is so normalized and fundamental in their culture that they will instead of just think of it, at most, as an adaptation of a TV series. And if you don't want to read adaptations or "soft sci-fi", that's fine, but you're blustering in here talking about "no weeb" or "no anime," which already demonstrates a severe lack of understanding for Japanese culture.

[Anonymous No.18491367]

>>18491341
Hard sci fi as in contemporary sci fi, or high tech low life sci fi where FTL ships are rust buckets and the cyborg crew are about as civilized as a suburb gang?

[Anonymous No.18491374]

>>18491350
Obviously, you can use argument ad absurdum all you like, and it will mean nothing. Think about the point and significance of arguments, not ways in which to use fallacies to try and tear them down.

[Anonymous No.18491381]

>>18491363
Ridiculous. You can of course analyse any German work after 45 for the wwii influence if you are hellbent on doing so, that does not mean that for someone specifically asking for a German book that's not about wwii the rise and fall of the third reich is a non retarded recommendation. There is loads and loads and loads of German culture that is not about the holocaust, just as there is a shitload of Japanese culture that is not about anime. Weebfaggots like you wear ideological blinkers and need to go out into the world more.

[Anonymous No.18491385]

>>18491367
Ideally without starships, cyborg gangs sound fine as long as its not some mindless action... Looking for stuff in the veign of Lem, the strugatsky, intelligent concepts it's fun to think about.

[Anonymous No.18491390]

>>18491374
The absurd thing is to say that all Japanese culture is anime. Weeb reductionism.

[Anonymous No.18491400]

>>18491064
Thanks hombre. Did you mean Neal Donaldson though?

[Anonymous No.18491403]

>>18491381
>>18491390
I frequently refer to it as just an organ within the pulsing mass that is Japanese culture, but I suppose dumb foreigners will forever be ignorant of foreign cultures. Then again, I guess with reading comprehension this bad, it doesn't really matter whether you ignore anime or not. Anything you read will go in one ear and out the other anyway, meaning nothing beyond the most surface level of elements (e.g. anime art or the lack thereof).

[Anonymous No.18491413]

>>18491304
It's not exactly cutting edge, but Accel World was okay, it was about teens who received cognition implants in return of being test subject for a virtual reality.
86 was more of military horror sci fi. I guess, human army vs robots.
Beatless fits, I guess, its about a guy and his android girlfriends. That's the standalone LNs I remember.

For series, there are Raildex and Kawakami Minoru's bookcase spanning high concept interdimensional sci fi franchise. And of course Gundam LNs, military sci fi that attempts to talk about future of nature of humanity.
For novelisations, there are Nier Automata LNs and Voices of the Distant Star.

[Anonymous No.18491423]

>>18491413
I guess there are also LNs similar to Steins;Gate, Chaos;Child, etc, but they are closer to mystery than sci fi.

[Anonymous No.18491428]

Thoughts on The Coming Race?

[Anonymous No.18491461]

What are some books with romance, not just as a passing mention, but at least crucial to part of the MC's, hopefully male, development as a character

[Anonymous No.18491463]

>>18490712
This seems to be the best one.
https://www.tolkien.co.uk/products/the-lord-of-the-rings-single-volume-deluxe-edition-edition-j-r-r-tolkien-9780007182367/

[Anonymous No.18491515]

Is there any book that kind of has a "colonial fantasy" idea behind it, like a far more technologically advanced culture coming in contact to a comparatively primitive culture in a fantasy setting?
So far the only example I've seen is the Echoes of the Fall trilogy with the Plague People

[Anonymous No.18491584]

Fuck Prose

[Anonymous No.18491590]

>>18491584
no

[Anonymous No.18491610]

absolute Bibliothek

[Anonymous No.18491637]

Just finished this, and holy shit. I don't think I've ever read a fantasy series this good in my entire life.

I don't even post here that often, but what are your thoughts about this?

[Anonymous No.18491644]

>>18490598
>>18490653

>>>/t/1024600

[Anonymous No.18491647]

>>18490712
>the comfiest editions of the Lord of the Rings to get
I recommend you get them in .mobi and read them on a PaperWhite

[Anonymous No.18491662]

>>18491647
Already tried, I don't think it is
>>18491463
Do you have that edition?
It doesn't seem all that comfy to read in bed

[Anonymous No.18491673]

>>18491637
We also unironically really enjoy it. Now go read Aspect Emperor

[Anonymous No.18491678]

>>18491662
>It doesn't seem all that comfy to read in bed
The comfiest version in that sense is just a paperback. The one I posted is the best edition I know of since you seemed concerned about quality as well.

[Anonymous No.18491931]

>>18490598
Romance books...

[Anonymous No.18491999]

>>18490712
I like the 60th anniversary edition that comes with the readers companion

[Anonymous No.18492058]

>>18491354

[Anonymous No.18492136]

>The Tolkien Society Seminar 2021
>This years theme : Tolkien and Diversity

>List of Speakers

>Cordeliah Logsdon – Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
>Clare Moore – The Problem of Pain: Portraying Physical Disability in the Fantasy of J. R. R. Tolkien
>V. Elizabeth King – “The Burnt Hand Teaches Most About Fire”: Applying Traumatic Stress and Ecological Frameworks to Narratives of Displacement and Resettlement Across Cultures in Tolkien’s Middle-earth
>Christopher Vaccaro – Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings
>Sultana Raza – Projecting Indian Myths, Culture and History onto Tolkien’s Worlds
>Nicholas Birns – The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
>Kristine Larsen – The Problematic Perimeters of Elrond Half-elven and Ronald English-Catholic
>Cami Agan – Hearkening to the Other: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
>Sara Brown – The Invisible Other: Tolkien’s Dwarf-Women and the ‘Feminine Lack’
>Sonali Chunodkar – Desire of the Ring: An Indian Academic’s Adventures in her Quest for the Perilous Realm
>Robin Reid – Queer Atheists, Agnostics, and Animists, Oh, My!
>Joel Merriner – Hidden Visions: Iconographies of Alterity in Soviet Bloc Illustrations for The Lord of the Rings
>Eric Reinders – Questions of Caste in The Lord of the Rings and its Multiple Chinese Translations
>Dawn Walls-Thumma – Stars Less Strange: An Analysis of Fanfiction and Representation within the Tolkien Fan Community
>Danna Petersen-Deeprose – “Something Mighty Queer”: Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
>Martha Celis-Mendoza – Translation as a means of representation and diversity in Tolkien’s scholarship and fandom

[Anonymous No.18492179]

This general is in a poor state - too much weeb chatter.

Therefore I shall inject some real lit shit into this BITCH

- Sanderson is for children - he can’t write sex, woman, romance, philosophy, complexity, or anything outside the Mormon cannon he was raised with.

- there is no better convergence in all of fantasy than the ending of Toll The Hounds

- Fitzchivalry is often considered by many readers to be a moron - instead, those readers are morons, who do not read the text on a meta level nor infer that many of his decisions are forced upon him via the wit and skill sub consciously, with his past trauma being a impossible barrier to overcome

- the wheel of time tv show is destined the fail, it’s been cucked by the diverse agenda which fails to realise that when people’s identity don’t matter - their characterisation doesn’t either. You can have black people in white people places (and vice versa) without explanation as - clearly - you have to answer how this came about via world building. In the novels Rands appearance mattered. It cannot matter in the tv show.

- The Witcher games are superior to the books which nose dive heavily after the short story collections due to too much focus on Ciri

[Anonymous No.18492231]

>>18491116
Only know one Japanese, and that is Kobo Abe. I don't think he is pure sci-fic, his novels have a touch of absurdity and surrealism.

[Anonymous No.18492236]

>>18492179
>"real lit shit"
>the exact same opinions this general has anyway

[Anonymous No.18492302]

>>18492136
Started watching Morgoth's video about this bollocks earlier since it popped up in my feed, I turned it off halfway through though. I'm not going to give it my mental energy, I will ignore the shit out of it. They can't ruin my enjoyment of the content we already have.
Semi-related but I still haven't watched nu-wars either, and I never will.

[Anonymous No.18492320]

the hobbits- scots
the rohirim - angles
gondor - saxons
the sunk continent - old saxony
all the bad guys - celts, non franks and other non saxons

[Anonymous No.18492442]

>>18492302
>Started watching Morgoth's video about this bollocks earlier since it popped up in my feed, I turned it off halfway through though. I'm not going to give it my mental energy, I will ignore the shit out of it. They can't ruin my enjoyment of the content we already have.
Not putting up a fight against retardation is how they win, though.

[Anonymous No.18492462]

>>18492302
may you link the video in question?

[Anonymous No.18492610]

>>18492179
most authors cant write women

[Anonymous No.18492619]

>>18492610
they really can, they just get called sexist if they do it well

[Anonymous No.18492623]

>>18492462
Yes mate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4RueQ-3izM&t=409s
>>18492442
That's kind of what he said, nobody was watching the shop after Christopher died. I'm just too blackpilled to believe fighting the globohomo is possible.

[Anonymous No.18492676]

>>18491428
Femdom mommy milkies.

[Anonymous No.18492679]

sex

[Anonymous No.18492682]

>>18492442
>Not putting up a fight against retardation is how they win, though.
Kek, what are you supposed to do about "academia?" It's an industry onto itself.

[Anonymous No.18492702]

Reading Andy Weir's Project Hail Mary

Noted an inconsistency on Page 421 (Chapter 23):

"...zeroed out our rotation. Now we have that under control and I can do evas in zero g like God intended. I 3-D print a model..."

Previously he explicitly stated that the 3-d printer would not work in 0g in Chapter 15.

"settles on the 3-D printer. “That. What is that, question?”
“It makes small things. I tell the computer a shape, and it tells this machine how to make it.”
“I can see it make small thing, question?”
“It needs gravity.""

Expected better after the Martian was pretty good in terms of consistency

[Anonymous No.18492733]

>>18491515
you probably already knew that but war of the wrolds was literally about that from the perspective of the colonized

[Anonymous No.18492770]

>>18492702
>I'm gonna' have to Reddit the shit out of this

[Anonymous No.18492928]

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Delays
Fuck Excuses
Fuck Incommunicado
Fuck You

[Anonymous No.18492969]

He gimACED as the grim darkness darkened the shadows on his grimACEing eyes.

[Anonymous No.18493103]

>>18492231
Thanks for the recommendation, looks interesting!

[Anonymous No.18493131]

>>18491413
>>18491423
Thank you anon!

[Anonymous No.18493291]

>>18491363
You misunderstood my point. Note "degrees of separation." Think of it like hotdogs in the USA, or sausages in Germany, or something. Not everyone was personally affected by hotdogs or sausages, but their influence runs deep within their respective cultures. Every single person born in Germany is influenced heavily by sausages. That's just how influence works. Likewise, ramen soup is a significant organ pumping within Japan. Every single Japanese person is influenced by ramen soup. Even someone who hasn't eaten ramen soup will be influenced in some ways by association, like eating a light fusion pasta that was indeed influenced by ramen soup. You can't look at Japanese culture and try to dichotomize ramen soup/not ramen soup. It just doesn't work like that. A Japanese person will certainly not look at a ramen noodle stir fry, for example, and think, "oh this is ramen soup." The thought will not even cross their mind, for ramen soup is so normalized and fundamental in their culture that they will instead of just think of it, at most, as an adaptation of a Yakisoba. And if you don't want to eat adaptations or "instant noodles", that's fine, but you're blustering in here talking about "no sushi" or "no ramen soup," which already demonstrates a severe lack of understanding for Japanese culture.

[Anonymous No.18493502]

>>18491637
>>/lit/image/ScTkG8JJrljBKlW4fbQYXw?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=291881725cecffa7f1c8068aa3dc38ee94de6717-1624216259-0-AT6f6ElO52pjetAaaQKyEk7p_WNOF-4swfIXjek4LEpkuJqxwMPcUCAdqJ9vH07QN2PZs0afGjN69TY2sdQsLEiV0uiukHhsd-uhXzQs0A2wB8Nb_OhHCLDKw_sgcRK_jWdXVTQZ2RL8DGfnSOjiDh-3b171NlNx84eqW4jLYrOpeQsTVxoYn25m_evtf-hx_OLqf6G6JQj1Ij9cXAaezlfwmL8hgvqOQYKioaFO4hG4qkAxU19pZ4A0KNAcJTdukt1bTXV5yx8BuYaZkR3HN4Y69uPjv0d0HF-fOfl2wDbJECGzrXVrWlwG1U6_T9msNhImPMJrHeEgq0QzGUOtjkvjEfm6AXGYzqAVHvu_W2QsPPuhwFS1NyBNS-PkvD9JplcA522oS46Ulm9CZOCYH7W6_FHhI2Mw8aVd8dRABeGlIF9T2hF5vUFYN3frLsUlhA
Yeah sure bro.

[Anonymous No.18493564]

>>18492770
Great defense, the book was terrible. Not as bad as Artemis though

[Anonymous No.18493592]

>>18491637
Love him, Bakker shares so many "dirty" fetishes with me that are incomprehensible to normies and 4chan shitlords alike, feels like sharing a private joke with the author while dabbing on the low IQ sexual vanilla crowd.

[Anonymous No.18493644]

>>18493502
I'm surely going to click on that link just because.

[Anonymous No.18493705]

Fuck Xeno

[Anonymous No.18493770]

reminder this video reflects the consensus of the current generation of fantasy writers

[Anonymous No.18493801]

>>18493502
>>18493592
Backuks are insane

[Anonymous No.18493814]

http://www.heliotropemag.com/Issue01/pdf/Heliotrope_pg32-38_SkepticalFantasist.pdf

[Anonymous No.18493930]

give me a book... about space...

[Anonymous No.18494071]

>>18490712
The one with Tolkien's own illustrations for the cover art.

[Anonymous No.18494105]

oh fuck /sffg/, i just realized something.

my story features a fantasy world where talking animals and mythical creatures are the dominant form of life and the small handful of humans who wind up there are teenage and tweenage autists

it would be a plot hole if I didn't make one of them a furry

[Anonymous No.18494168]

>>18493592
What dirty fetishes do the books contain?

[Anonymous No.18494309]

>>18494105
you know that sounds a lot like a furry erotica to me, I suppose it's not one tho?

[Anonymous No.18494331]

>>18494105
or a lot like narnia, none ever said it was a plothole that none of the kids wanted to do it with the talking animals

[Anon No.18494505]

>>18494105
no it would just not be coomer and horny jail

[Anonymous No.18494550]

>>18491116
>What's some cutting edge Asian sci-fi?
Remembrance of Earth trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18494559]

>>18491116
>What's some cutting edge Asian sci-fi?
Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18494623]

>>18494168
Most controversial imo would be the sissy mindbreak and sodomy of a formerly noble and virtuous crusader by his own prophet ("Does it trouble you?")

[Anonymous No.18494699]

>>18491461
Most of Clifford D. Simaks more tame books.

Special Deliverance and Enchanted Pilgrimage were kino.
Suldrun's Garden

[Anonymous No.18494703]

Reading The Shadow of the Torturer. Feels like a dream with all these esoteric events just floating into one another.
These chapters in the botanical garden’s jungle are especially bizarre.

[Anonymous No.18494733]

>>18493930
unto leviathan (also known as ship of fools)

[Anonymous No.18494779]

>>18494309
it certainly wasn't the intent. The story's just supposed to be a take on "wonderland for adults" that's funny instead of edgy.

granted, I already sort of planned to give each of my characters a different weird-ass kink because I thought it's hilarious, so this isn't exactly out of left-field, but it's a little rougher when said weird-ass fetish is something that's normally intrinsically unhealthy but is now presented in a more a more ambiguous situation

>>18494331
true, but narnia is for kids. This is supposed to be a self-aware reconstruction of the portal fantasy genre. Not only am I trying to directly address the issues that most stories gloss over, but I'm also doing it as a blue comedy that isn't going to ignore the fact that when you put kids with aspergers and adolescent horniness together weird fetishes are the natural result.

[Anonymous No.18494806]

>>18494779
You'll never finish.

[Anonymous No.18494899]

>tfw I accidental two babies from 2 different women
They shouldn't have been breeding anyways.

[Anonymous No.18494911]

ayy romance with human mc

[Anonymous No.18495655]

>>18494806
anon, believe me I know that. I've got nothing but a final battle and the epilogue left before I fiinish my first draft and I'm not even sure I'll get that done.

Jesus, where the fuck did 5 years of my life go? This was supposed to be a series

[Anonymous No.18495670]

>>18494168
One of the characters was cucked, and he's not happy about it. Hits too close to home for a couple of anons here. Can't stop thinking about their exes.

[Anonymous No.18495676]

>>18491116
would ninefox gambit count? written by an texan azn person AFAIK

[Anonymous No.18495685]

fuck off metalfags if you are here

[Anonymous No.18495820]

>>18491116
You can always check out United States of Japan. Despite the covers mechs don't really play a large part.

[Anonymous No.18495888]

Just burned through all of A Returner's Magic Should be Special, and I think my only real complaint is that it actually goes too hard all the time. Once Desir becomes a Royal Guard it's non-stop action all the way to the finale, and the team the author had spent so much time building up just don't get enough breaks to hang out. By the end they're still getting their fights, but I was kind of exhausted of only ever seeing them in war time. This also made the climax a little awkward for me, since part of it relies on a personal aspect of Romantica that, as far as I can recall, had just literally never come up before but easily could have if there had been more comfy scenes of the cast goofing off.
But if you're just looking for a book about characters getting into a lot of battles and hardcore powerlevelling in between, It succeeds pretty spectacularly. I never felt like any of the growth was cheaply bought. I appreciated that the people who were introduced as the world's most powerful remained that way, the author never power wanked his cast so hard he had to start making up new tiers of people to keep up.
Basically, I guess, it's a low-tier genre to engage in, but the author executes it about as well as it can be. I'd have enjoyed more time clearing dungeons, but I was not disappointed for it to go the geopolitics route instead. 8/10.

[Anonymous No.18495927]

>>18495820
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.18495947]

>been living as an hermit in exile for 20 years
>been spending the last months running wild cross-continental marathon snorting amphetamine made from elf-ashes
>dressed in rotting fur and a mithril hauberk, the ultimate hobo wizard
>finally encounter a former colleague, remember his unmistakable talent, be envious at his hairline and position as grandmaster
"Who are you?"

lmao

[Anonymous No.18496004]

>>18495685
Fuck you asshole. I'm over here listening to Summoning and re-reading The Silmarillion and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.18496016]

>>18495947
Drusas... the ultimate cuck wizard-philosopher if there every was one. Truth shines.

[Anonymous No.18496039]

>>18496004
FUCK YOU LEVE THIS THREAD SUPID IDIOT YOUR TASTES SUCK AND NOBODY LIKES IT FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.18496054]

>>18496039
For when you're reading Malazan, fren..

https://youtu.be/qApRHrMdang

[Anonymous No.18496130]

>>18495685
https://youtu.be/BFN8O0KaOcs

[Anonymous No.18496136]

>>18493592
>so many "dirty" fetishes with me that are incomprehensible to normies and 4chan shitlords alike
elaborate

[Anonymous No.18496148]

>>18491116
Scenario Experiments Lain

[Anonymous No.18496153]

>>18493770
Eh, I can see the Negroid = Ork allegory.

[Anonymous No.18496158]

>>18494699
Clifford Simak is criminally underappreciated these days.

[Anonymous No.18496162]

Don't know where to ask but here, but do any of you guys know any novel, either Science Fiction or Fantasy that deal with interpersonal conflicts between characters rather than external threats? The conflict is much smaller and more personal due to more personal reasons. At this point, I'm willing to accept web novels and web serial.

Like for example: In a fantasy scenario: The conflict is due to a noble house being spurned out of arranged marriage by another noble house. (might not be the best example.)

Science Fiction: Maybe a cyberpunk story in where two friends are now enemies because both of them want what's best for their families? And there could only be one?

Pic related is another scenario, someone in a position in power trying to force another in a weaker position in a relationship?

[Anonymous No.18496165]

>>18496158
He really is. Way station is still in my top 3 favorite books of all time.

[Anonymous No.18496177]

>>18496130
Based Fenriz poster

[Anonymous No.18496202]

>>18496148
I unironically could not finish that show.. too fucking weird / doomer / existential. I do love that opening song though.

>AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
>A SHAME YOU SEEMED AN HONEST MAN
>*absolutely low-key but funky bass playing*

[Anonymous No.18496256]

>>18495685
>>18496039
Why do you hate metalheads so much? I know you're the fucker who always gets into /metal/ to make those "fuck you metalfags' post every fucking day

[Anonymous No.18496279]

>>18496162
Not literature, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.18496288]

>>18496162
That's most of slice of life LNs.

[Anonymous No.18496311]

Do I start Lovecraft with At the Mountain of Madness or The Whisperer in the Darkness?

[Anonymous No.18496341]

>>18496311
In my own humble opinion as someone who's read every short story written by Lovecraft and most of his collaborations and ghost writings, it's best to proceed chronologically. Start with Dagon, then read The White Ship and keep going from there.

[Anonymous No.18496357]

Has anyone here read Asimov's mystery short stories? Do you know similar books? I just finished them and they're quite good.

[Anonymous No.18496573]

>>18496357
his robot novels are detective mysteries

[Anonymous No.18496676]

Best Chinese scifi?

[Anonymous No.18496777]

>>18496676
Any western scifi that has been translated to chinese. They are incapable of creativity or compassion, all other nations surpass them in all areas.

[Anonymous No.18496828]

>>18496777
But you forget Epic Adventure of Ping Pong it's based and uncucked like Western /lit/ yooooo

[Anonymous No.18496907]

>>18496676
see
>>18494559

[Anonymous No.18496909]

>>18491637
It's really quite good. Fucking bleak and cynical though, I almost dropped the series on the 2nd book of the first trilogy.

Second trilogy is good too, maybe not quite as unique as the first though that could be because I've been living in that world for so long now.

[Anonymous No.18496911]

>>18496828
>uncucked like Western /lit/
this is a meme because western lit is super cucked

[Anonymous No.18497213]

>>18496911
name five

[Anonymous No.18497306]

whats with all the hate for warhammer?

[Anonymous No.18497399]

>>18497306
From what I heard Wraight and Abnett are the only good writers, while there’s a lot of schlocky writers who suck.

[Anonymous No.18497412]

>>18496153
because you're american, others may just as well see a hun allogery
none thinks it's wrong to hate the huns, right?

[Anonymous No.18497415]

>>18497213
Gravity’s Rainbow literally has a scat scene which is compared to sucking BBC. Colour of Magic has a protagonist who is basically a white virgin sex tourist. Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy is filled with a Chad Clown, showing that the galaxy is ruled is by Clowns. Dune is about letting space Muslims run everything against Western civ. Slaughterhouse Five is about a guy getting mogged by his dad as a kid, sexually humiliated in front of a public pool, and being honestly told by aliens that their wars don’t matter.

[Anonymous No.18497427]

>>18497306
I've read a good amount of 40k books and, like all genre/fanfiction the disparity between what is "good" and what is "bad" is monumental. Take that god awful C.S. Gato series for example and contrast that with Straight Silver by Dan Abnett (my favorite of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels).

Horus Heresy feels a bit like this too, and I wish they explored some more of the Space Marine aesthetic beyond just the combat. I think of that book The Unremembered Empire which I thought would capture the Space Marine aesthetic in a time of high politic. Great gods debating, organizing, meditation scenes, etc. But all that potential was wasted on the usual run and gun scenes. Granted, it's 40k so you should expect this but sometimes I think there is a lot of wasted potential.

[Anonymous No.18497446]

>>18494779
I don't know, make sure having a guy who want to fuck some of the talking animals won't scare off some readers
there are plenty of media with furry like creatures but don't know of something mainstream where humans and furries mix

[Anonymous No.18497468]

>>18497415
Loser.

[Anonymous No.18497482]

>>18497468
Salty tears, Bakkuck?

[Anonymous No.18497483]

sex books

[Anonymous No.18497504]

When did Sci-Fi go from metaphysics and deep thinking about technological dependency, ascendancy, consquences, etc to LE HECKIN STAR WARS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!~!!!! FUNKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.18497535]

>>18497504
I think it reflects our economic conditions. Commodification of culture, even science, is on the rise. You could likely start a timeline from the early modern period (1910-1920s) but it becomes most pronounced by 1970s and 1980s. Analog Magazine was filled with ads for all sorts of “sci fi board games” in that time and lots of GRRM et al was informed by, or even directly written for, mainstream broadcasting like television.

[Anonymous No.18497550]

>>18497306
Someone could write a very deep, metaphysical book set in that universe dealing with all the complexities of the social situation, the use of technology particularly it's disparity in the Imperium (e.g. you have those agri-worlds which are just giant communist communes run by bloated corpses connected to equipment that extends their lifespans for hundreds of years etc vs the or whatever else you can think of, the Space Marines vs. the stinking cesspool dumps of the Hive Cities) but sadly the entire "fanbase" is a bunch of Marvel Superhero reading fanatics and thus nothing of value will ever be produced by any of those authors beyond, in the best case, some entertaining genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.18497566]

>>18496909
>Fucking bleak and cynical though
Why is this a criticism of the series. I found the opposite to be true.

[Anonymous No.18497573]

>>18497504
When Hollywood and big corps smelled money.

[Anonymous No.18497585]

>>18497504
all those dandy promises failed to materialize and people turned to the genre for escapism instead of futurism

[Anonymous No.18497594]

>>18493502
We accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.18497647]

>>18497504
The people who might have been thinking and writing about these things have turned into hyper-moralist nutjobs trying to create a social justice utopia, so anything they might write will be nothing more than a propaganda piece to further their political ends.

[Anonymous No.18497702]

>>18497427
you should read the book posted
it’s one of the few

[Anonymous No.18497921]

>>18497647
This is unironically a very good answer. I’m surprised by this board sometimes. It seems that writers are very sensitive to the times and social currents or trends, but because we live in an age of identity politics and guilt, we have moved towards a moral crusade. Inevitably, sensitive, deep thinking, and introspective artists will be swept up with that.

[Anonymous No.18498022]

>>18497504
Why is this post so fucking retarded? Have you ever read any old sci-fi, ever? Sci-fi found its home in pulp magazines initially for a reason. The vast majority of sci-fi produced was garbo. It garnered a huge negative reputation for this, and writers like Asimov had to fight to earn the respect they got. If you actually cracked open old sci-fi you would mainly just see LE HECKIN STAR WARS shit. Crazy how not even sci fi general has people who have actually read old sci fi and are just jumping to join the bandwagon of le born in wrong generation.

[Anonymous No.18498046]

>>18498022
Yeah, for every 20 thousand leagues under the water, there were probably ten stories about giant ants, flying to the moon in a cannonball and battleships flying with the power of steam.

[Anonymous No.18498048]

>>18492136
>>18492302
>>18492442
>>18492442
>>18492682
Tolkien is dead.
His canon is complete.
His works and even the original films will live on forever as timeless classics.

Why do you care?

[Anonymous No.18498056]

I'm sorry to ask this for the billionth time it's probably been asked
But I want comfy fantasy
Comfy fantasy for me is
LOTR (my favourite sadly)
The Hobbit
Tales of earthsea
And a book about mists, fairies set in a quaint village and it's kind of old, I forget the name
Thanks

[Anonymous No.18498061]

>>18498056
Oh the last one is Lud In The Mist

[Anonymous No.18498089]

>>18497504
Lowest common denominator to sell toys. Keep consuming bitchboi.

[Anonymous No.18498103]

>>18498056
>>18498061
I remember this was comfy as a kid.

[Anonymous No.18498132]

>>18498056
>>18498061
>>18498103

If you buy the collected editions of eddings, you’ll save like 30 USD.

[Anonymous No.18498177]

Is there anything along the lines of "sci-fi that feels like fantasy?"
Basically something where the setting is very much a sci-fi one with no overt magic or stuff, but it's presented almost like a fantasy story.

[Anonymous No.18498203]

>>18498177
You've just described Book of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.18498228]

>>18498103
>>18498132
Why should I read it?

[Anonymous No.18498270]

>>18498228
I just personally like questing knight tales and stories about a destined hero. Probably because I read The Faerie Queene recently and loved it.
Here’s the blurb for book one of the series:
> Sparhawk, Pandion Knight and Queen's Champion, returned to Elenia after ten years of exile, only to find his young Queen Ehlana trapped in a block of ensorcelled crystal. Only the great sorcery of Sephrenia, ageless instructor of magic, kept her alive--but the spell would last only a year, and its cost was tragically high. Now a Prince Regent ruled Elenia, the puppet of Annias, ambitious Primate of the Church who planned to seize power over all the land. As Sparhawk and Sephrenia set out to find a cure for Ehlana, Sephrenia revealed that there was only one person in the west who could defeat the evil plots against Ehlana. That person was Sparhawk.

[Anonymous No.18498379]

>>18494911
sad state of affairs

[Anonymous No.18498395]

>>18498270
Hmm sounds awful but ill try, ty anon i hope i like it

[Anonymous No.18498400]

>>18498395
Got to a library if you’re not sure. They’ll have The Diamond Throne somewhere. Just dip your toe in.

[Anonymous No.18498753]

>>18498048
The original films? The animated? They weren't that good.

[Anonymous No.18498791]

>>18498753
I'm not that anon, but Jackson's LoTR films (not The Hobbit) are good. They're far from perfect adaptations, but taken on their own, they're very good movies.

[Anonymous No.18498862]

Fuck first contact stories
give me space stations, give me intergalactic travel
give me clashing cultures and aliens titties

[Anonymous No.18498871]

>The original films? The animated? They weren't that good.

[Anonymous No.18498874]

>>18498791
those were not the original films bro

[Anonymous No.18499026]

>>18498871
Whom are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.18499061]

>>18498228
Super cheesy, but fast pacing, interesting scenes with some really interesting places, good but notoriously hypercompetent characters.

Oddities is that Eddings is both low key racist and a bit horny. There are some impressive fetishes hidden in those books, and dialogue like
>you can't understand this because you are race XYZ
>oh ok that makes sense
happens from time to time

But sometimes it is just fun to read about the chosen one with overpowered magic, the hypercompetent thief prince and a bunch of similarily overpowered characters that rotate in and out, have excellent banter, and win the day through their skill. Also Eddings prose was fast and functional, but still manages to have a few gems here and there. From time to time a sentence made me perk up and see that the man has a way with words, if he wants to put the effort in.

[Anonymous No.18499093]

>>18499061
>>Oddities is that Eddings is both low key racist and a bit horny
Was it one of his series that had the main cast visit a village of eternally loli dryads that are an all-female species, and kidnaps men to keep as communal husbands? And then the main character married one of them in the end.

[Anonymous No.18499442]

>>18498177
>sci-fi that feels like fantasy
>something where the setting is very much a sci-fi one with no overt magic or stuff, but it's presented almost like a fantasy story.

Try the Deathstalker series by Simon R. Green, that ought to be right up your alley.

[Anonymous No.18500107]

Are the ASOIAF books any good or are they a big meme?

[Anonymous No.18500126]

>>18500107
The first three are good. The fourth and fifth are are where he lost control of it. And it will never be finished. Even if he releases the sixth book, that won't end it.

[Anonymous No.18500147]

>>18500126
Okay. I didn't like the show for very long, but all of the background stuff and preceeding wars seemed much more interesting.

[Anonymous No.18500210]

>>18500147
>but all of the background stuff and preceeding wars seemed much more interesting.
You'd certainly get more about that in the books.

[Anonymous No.18500236]

>>18500147
not that guy but the 4th and 5th books are good, they're just very different and slower-paced than the first three, and 4th book omitted the most popular characters of introducing a bunch of new characters and characters whose plots you know from the very start won't succeed, like a character who is looking for two other characters, but the previous book already established the current locations of those characters.

But since we're on the topic of ASOIAF, while I'm looking forward to the Dance of the Dragons tv show, I feel like there's already signs they're going to fuck it up. It feels like you can't talk about it on /tv/ because they're too tied up in the political correctness of it all, but the conflict between the black and green is one already horribly biased by GRRM's feminism to favor sympathy for the blacks and Rhaenyra, that it isn't as morally grey of a conflict as the main series. There isn't much reason for anyone to want the greens to win, unless you agree with the hightowers and citadel that magic, dragons, and Valyrian rule sucks. But then when they cast a black man as Corlys Velaryon, it instantly adds racism to the crimes of the greens, and now it comes off as they just don't want a mulatto baby to claim the iron throne. When in reality, the Velaryon and Targs are both Valyrian, and are trying to avoid a mixed-race baby with a Hightower. The pro-miscegenation party will be misconstrued by the audience as a anti-miscegenation party, and vice versa for the Valyrian blood purists.

[Anonymous No.18500281]

>>18500236
>they're just very different and slower-paced than the first three, and 4th book omitted the most popular characters of introducing a bunch of new characters and characters whose plots you know from the very start won't succeed
That's what I mean when I say he lost control of it. Everything is ballooned out so far he probably can't bring it back together. And even trying to do it in a believable manner takes huge amounts of writing, slowing everything down and making it even more unlikely to finish.

[Anonymous No.18500312]

>>18500281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkzYgR5OgCM

this guy put it in pretty well- there's too many PoVs that he needs to trim down(compiling a sequel to two books, since AFFC and ADWD are 70% concurrent), and unless the pacing is incredibly fast, there's almost no way he can resolve it in two books. Because at the current rate, it's gonna take a book for Dany just to be able to start her move back to Westeros, and then resolve her invasion and whatever he wants to do with the Others in ADOS

[Anonymous No.18500359]

wonder if there are any lists and or charts concering fantasy of the 2010s

[Anonymous No.18500459]

>>18499093
Yeah. And it is not the only and not the most questionable sexual practise in the series. All fairly short and fade to black, but it can fill an impressive amount of Hentai tags in theory.

Also the author liked to keep adopted kids in cages, but it was probably nothing sexual. For whatever that is worth.

[Anonymous No.18500474]

>>18498103
>>18498132
Who would you compare Eddings to? Is it similar to the Riftwar Cycle by Raymond Feist?

[Anonymous No.18500496]

I would like to read more modern fantasy but it all seems rather sub-standard.

Any recommendations from /lit/ would be welcome; no specific requirements just a good read.

[Anonymous No.18500522]

>Whom are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.18500533]

>>18500496
Abercrombie - First Law
Jemisin - Broken Earth

If you expand from fantasy to 'weird' there's stuff like Vandermeer's Borne.

[Anonymous No.18500588]

>>18500522
Whomst are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.18500756]

>>18498022
It's what happens when you only read stuff on "best of" lists, you wind up with extremely warped, ignorant opinions about genres as a whole.

[Anonymous No.18500762]

>>18500496
i actually decently liked gideon the ninth although the author occasionally shits it up with extremely reddit humour. The Sequel isnt nearly as good.

[Anonymous No.18501140]

>>18497415
You should read Gravity's Rainbow sometime dude that scene is hardly memorable compared to the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.18501164]

even the normies are starting to harass rothfuss now. even the pronoun twitter people

[Anonymous No.18501292]

>>18501164
Rothfuss is already dead to me, I accepted his series was never getting finished years ago. It's time for everybody else to do the same. Once nobody cares about his unfinished books he'll stop getting invited to conventions and people will gradually just forget about him the way they forgot about Paolini. Hell at least Paolini actually finished his garbage series before being forgotten.

[Anonymous No.18501405]

>>18501164
>>18501292
This is why i never start reading unfinished series.

[Anonymous No.18501409]

How do you get more friends on Good Reads?

[Anonymous No.18501439]

>>18498203
I haven't read these books but they seem really gay
>in MY fantasy novel there's this dark man who's an executioner (epic) and he wears le bad boy mask (epic) and he is banished (epic) because he showed mercy to the woman he loved (epic) [who let me guess cucks him later (epic)] and he goes on an odyssey (epic) as the chosen one (epic) but he ends up doing incredibly grimdark (epic) things like killing EVERYONE ON EARTH (epic). I pray to Luna (that's what I call the moon) you have the intellect to handle my creation.

[Anonymous No.18501463]

>>18501439
You can generally make anything sound bad if you approach it with bad faith and frame it all in as negative of a light as possible. Kant once said that "there can be no small inducement for the reader to unite his effort with that of the author" when it comes to enjoying/understanding a work. If you abandon your side of the deal and make no attempt to put good faith effort into a work, you will likely never enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.18501470]

>>18501439
that's because that's not what the book is about you brainlet

[Anonymous No.18501514]

>>18501470
oh

[Anonymous No.18501541]

>>18501439
a big part of the story is what a massive loser he is, and not in an (epic) brooding flawed badass kind of way, he's actually just so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.18501549]

>>18501409
give good reviews to femprotag YA

[Anonymous No.18501556]

>>18500107
Books are 1337 times better than TV shitshow. TV was like simplification for modern feminist toddlers.

[Anonymous No.18501559]

>>18501409
By sending people with similar interests friend requests. Join the group in the OP and send friend requests to everyone. If you mean actual friends then though, then same as any other way, you have to start talking to people.

[Anonymous No.18501563]

>>18500359
Why wonder when you can just look.

[Anonymous No.18501616]

>>18501559
Not him but I can't join it, it's some serious bullshit. It says I need to be over 18 and that I haven't set my age but I bloody well have.

[Anonymous No.18501652]

>>18501616
>bloody well have
Britcucks can stay out to be desu.

[Anonymous No.18501660]

>>18501563
where exactly?

[Anonymous No.18501823]

>>18500107
Books are actually good. Solid character writing and compelling story arcs. The first three books are generally well received with book 4 being more controversial since he left out a lot of fan favorite characters and introduced a ton of new characters in a new, totally unexplored plot line in a different location. Book 5 suffers as a result of that decision to split up the PoV characters, it got all the characters left out of book 4 and as a result has to start all the way back at the end of book 3, chronologically, and catch up to the events in book 4 before it can continue the story onward from where book 4 left off. The result is the pacing slows to a complete crawl. These are gigantic door stopper novels yet books 4 and 5 together seem to have far less major developments than any of the previous books.

[Anonymous No.18502083]

>>18494703
No story to it though.

[Anonymous No.18502091]

>>18501823
Finish the rest George.

[Anonymous No.18502102]

>>18491428
obligatory if you are white

[Anonymous No.18502141]

buddy recommended pic related
should i do it?

[Anonymous No.18502252]

Alien Romance with Male MC
gib rec

[Anonymous No.18502301]

>>18502252
Animorphs

[Anonymous No.18502458]

>>18501616
Send a message to PlaceHolder Account, the admin account, shown on the right as the admin and it will be addressed.

[Anonymous No.18502475]

>>18501660
Use a search engine or look on a relevant site.

[Anonymous No.18502514]

>>18502301
really?

[Anonymous No.18502669]

>>18490579
Any good new fantasy or sci fi books? Recent ones

[Anonymous No.18502701]

>>18500107
>>18500126
>>18501823
Like anon said the first 3 are good and are where basically all the big evens take place. Book 4 usually gets shit on but I enjoyed it. The Brienne chapters were actually my favorite. 5 sort of feels like filler which is setting up the next 2 books which will never be written.

[Anonymous No.18502756]

>>18502669
Asking that is really just the same as asking, "What's a recent book that's been released that you enjoyed?" which may not be any better than looking at the lists of recently released books.

[Anonymous No.18502761]

>>18490579
I just realized that I've been forgetting to post the books that will come out each month. Oh well.
Look here for those:
http://locusmag.com/forthcomingbooks/

[Anonymous No.18502785]

>>18498103
i remember it being strictly worse than his other series

[Anonymous No.18502824]

>Start reading The Way of Kings
>Get two chapters in
>Notice there's 2000 fucking pages
>Realize I don't give a shit about anything so far
>Stop reading.
Sanderson is a hack.

[Anonymous No.18503002]

>>18502514
Yeah the Andalite Chronicles in particular.

Blue Alien horse (who is based) fucks a human girl who then gives birth to a main character who is also a bird.

Good stuff

[Anonymous No.18503003]

>>18502824
Hackerson is a sand.

[Anonymous No.18503008]

>>18502824
I’m not exactly arguing against you but you gotta probably give a book that large more than 2 chapters.

With that size you gotta assume it’s going to take a minute to get going

[Anonymous No.18503015]

imagine bragging about getting filtered by fucking sanderson lmao

[Anonymous No.18503027]

>>18500496
Sigh I’ll be that guy.

Sanderson is King of modern fantasy like it or not. Try warbreaker or mistborn if you don’t want to commit to stormlight right away.

He’s controversial around here because he’s so popular, but in reality he’s about as straight down the middle as you’re going to get. Some people that’s not good enough but for me it’s fine to read- they certainly aren’t challenging. People compare him to Marvel CU which is probably fair- though I contend he has more soul than that corporate tested shit.

[Anonymous No.18503038]

I hate female protagonists
no sane man should ever have to suffer through the world as viewed through a female's psyche

[Anonymous No.18503041]

>>18503027
There are a billion extremely average writers putting out massive tomes of derivative work, why should I pick up Sanderson over any of them? Like, when I read some gook webnovel, at least I'm only reading my 48th isekai instead of my 3002nd tolkien ripoff.

[Anonymous No.18503048]

thoughts on Jack Vance?

[Anonymous No.18503067]

>>18503041
there's a lot you can call sanderson but derivative isn't one of them

[Anonymous No.18503068]

>>18503041
You certainly don’t have too.

The OP was just asking for modern fantasy recs, so it’s a logical starting point.

And Sanderson, while derivative himself, also has been (for better or worse- worse IMO) largely influential for modern fantasy obsession with “magic systems”.

He has spawned a host of imitators trying to copy his already gimmicky gimmick.
So you may as well check out the original.

But I certainly wouldn’t call it essential lit. Only if you are interested in modern high fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18503072]

>>18503008
It's fucking trite. It's marvel tier shit. The first chapter was thousands of words devoted to detailed descriptions of epic combat. Wow, so cool the way he's jostling and jumping around! What are these mysterious spreen OoooOOooOO

The entire time I'm reading it I'm just thinking "fuck off."

Mistborn was ok though, I guess.

[Anonymous No.18503124]

>>18503072
I’ve never read it so I wouldn’t know. I just assumed a book that long you probably gotta get past the prologue and intro chapters before making a call.

I liked Mistborn well enough (I read the first trilogy).

Book 1 really good. 2 was fine. 3 kinda sucked but I liked the ending enough to make it worth it (I genuinely didn’t see the end coming so he actually subverted me in a good way).

Overall I liked it enough to probably give Stormlight a chance at some point.
Though I did think books2/3 drug at certain points so the length of SA might just be too much.

[Anonymous No.18503184]

>>18503124
>No no no you HAVE to read a bunch of the shit before it gets good
I've heard this nonsense so many times and every time it's false. Fool me once, shame on you etc. I mean no offense to you personally, but if a book can't at least seem interesting in a prologue+2 chapters then it's not worth reading, period.

It's garbage. 2000 pages of garbage, 4 (or is it 5 now?) books of garbage with 5 more on the way apparently.

Ironically we agree on Mistborn. Mistborn was an interesting world with a fast start to keep you interested. Even in 3, which kind of sucked, it didn't feel like a slog or anything to read. I just remember thinking "this could be better."

[Anonymous No.18503244]

>>18503184
Well- I agree with you that I highly doubt the 20k pages he’s going to end up writing for SA will wind up being worth it. I suspect there’s a lot of length for lengths sake going on.

Mistborn I thought had a lame prologue (Kelcier having a Marcel moment) but I enjoyed early autistic Vin enough to keep going.

And yeah, giving Elend magic powers damn near ruined the series for me.
But the Sazed chapters were the only “Slog” - him just crying about religion nonstop- but the end kinda made it make sense and worth it at least.

I haven’t bothered to read the Era2, I heard it wasn’t as good. But I’ll probably give it a shot as they are shorter even then Era1.

We seem to have similar tastes though, so I might be staying away from Stormlight for the time being. That’s a huge ass read to be “meh” on.

[Anonymous No.18503321]

>>18498048
>this beach will be remembered for being beautiful in the past, why do you care if it's littered with trash today?
fuck off. Apathy is a third world quality

[Anonymous No.18503347]

>>18503321
The beach you're talking about is effectively eternal. No one can unwrite his books.

[Anonymous No.18503531]

I’m finally reading Jurassic Park and I really like it.

Crichton is pretty damn underrated.

[Anonymous No.18503791]

what's a good story that seems to be a fantasy/medieval novel at first, but then is revealed to be a high sci-fi setting?

[Anonymous No.18503801]

>>18503791
what a boring question. i wanna know a story that seems to be a high sci-fi setting but is in actuality medieval

[Anonymous No.18503888]

someone started a counter-signal campaign against the recent tolkien society seminar list
https://societyoftolkien.org/schedule/

[Anonymous No.18503975]

Chagrin

[Anonymous No.18504001]

>>18503531
>Crichton is pretty damn underrated.
In 2021.

[Anonymous No.18504105]

>>18503801
The High Crusade.

[Anonymous No.18504265]

>>18490598
alien sex

[Anonymous No.18504270]

>>18502141
considering no one has answered i'm guessing it's not memed about which equates to it being good. Give it a shot. I haven't read it myself, just using my powers of deduction.

[Anonymous No.18504290]

>>18503048
Top tier, no doubt.

[Anonymous No.18504341]

>>18504270
It is good.

[Anonymous No.18504346]

>>18504265
romance sex sex romance titty cock vagina anus

[Anonymous No.18504355]

>>18503888
>Military doctrine and tactics portrayed in the books or movies
this is almost as cringe.

[Anonymous No.18504418]

>>18503321
Ah yes. I remember that time when a dead person resuscitated and became woke.

You're unironically retarded

[Anonymous No.18504434]

>>18491341
>>18491363
>>18491329
Ghost in the Shell is literally watered down Western philosophy and in the context of East Asia philosophy and culture makes no sense whatsoever. Additionally, scifi itself is inherently Western. The name itself is clearly lifted (uncredited) from a phrase coined by Gilbert Ryle as well
>The "ghost in the machine" is British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's description of René Descartes' mind-body dualism. Ryle introduced the phrase in The Concept of Mind (1949) to highlight the view of Descartes and others that mental and physical activity occur simultaneously but separately

[Anonymous No.18504451]

>>18503321
Ok, snowflake.

[Anonymous No.18504456]

>>18503321
>No one can unwrite his books.

[Anonymous No.18504514]

>>18504434
>Additionally, scifi itself is inherently Western.
Do you think this claim is possible to substantiate?

[Anonymous No.18504853]

Blindsight so far (165 pages in):
>is it actually talking to us?
>don't know. Do you know?
>no
>how about the Gang?
>i don't know either
>*3 paragraphs of techno-jargon*
Am I being filtered, or did you faggots yet again severely overrate a book?

[Anonymous No.18504854]

what's the "being a femboy streamer to support your nuclear family" of science fiction and fantasy novels?

[Anonymous No.18504857]

>>18504514
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18504879]

>>18504853
Oh, I forgot the "I really hate women" subtext from Watts.

[Anonymous No.18504884]

>>18504853
>techno jargon
blindsight is more philosophical if anything but if you're getting filtered by this you should just quit

[Anonymous No.18504901]

>>18504884
The philosophy I can understand.
I know you're being snarky, but honestly it might be a little bit too 'hard' hard sci-fi for me. I'll finish it but don't think I'll read the sequel. Did you like the novel overall?

[Anonymous No.18504912]

>>18504901
I read both blindsight and echopraxia almost back to back and enjoyed both, though I liked blindsight more because I love the literal schizoid protag

[Anonymous No.18504924]

>>18504912
>literal schizoid protag
Havent really read Siri as a schizophrenic so far, but the crew have just started hallucinating after boarding Rorschach for the first time Guess I'll read on.

[Anonymous No.18505049]

>>18504924
Not schizophrenic, schizoid is different
It's basically permanent emotional detachment and depersonalization, being an observer in your own life
It's why he's a great synthesist, he can boil down all the mechanisms of social interaction to algorithms and flowcharts but he doesn't actually understand much of it beyond if this then that... a human chinese room
In a way he's closer to Rorschach and the aliens than an actual human which is a great juxtaposition

[Anonymous No.18505115]

>what if we brought back prehistoric vampires the apex predator who ate humans and then remove their single weakness that allowed us to defeat them is this a good idea
>yes
>okay let's do it

[Anonymous No.18505163]

>>18505115
I'd actually be okay with all of humanity being killed by vampires if they killed all the Jews too. Give me a button that destroys the world and I will press it.

[Anonymous No.18505172]

>>18505115
anti-E's were a control method, they specifically chose not to fix the crucifix glitch on a genetic level

[Anonymous No.18505201]

>>18505172
>crucifx glitch
Havent read the book. Can I get the quick rundown on this?

[Anonymous No.18505254]

>>18505201
Vampire brains are multithreaded and can't process right angles without getting a seizure
Right angles don't exist in nature but when humans started building they became commonplace and vampires learned the hard way and eventually went extinct because of it

[Anonymous No.18505255]

>author deviates from his established genre
Any example of this working out?

>Glenn Cook, known for The Black Company
>writes military SF

[Anonymous No.18505262]

>>18505115
people in blindsight kinda went mental in general. don't forget those who completely withdrew into virtual reality.

[Anonymous No.18505264]

>>18505172
woah no way the super mega genius vampires could ever just keep making the stuff for themselves

[Anonymous No.18505294]

>>18505254
Does Watts explain exactly why their brains can't process right angles?

[Anonymous No.18505345]

Just finished reading Ship of Destiny. I cried because of Kennit's death. He deserved better.

[Anonymous No.18505350]

Recommend me some books with romance and sex and a male protagonist

[Anonymous No.18505361]

>>18505294
It's hard sci-fi, so yes. There's also a section at the back of the book with further information about the scientific basis of various things in the novel.

[Anonymous No.18505440]

>>18505264
they're too territorial to cooperate, in the second book they stage a prison break without seeing or speaking to eachother just by deducing what all the other vampires would logically do

[Anonymous No.18505746]

>>18503008
>you gotta probably give a book that large more than 2 chapters.
I dropped the book as well after the second chapter, but not because I realized something stupid like "holy shit, this book is long", but because the second chapter was some of the worst writing I'd ever seen in my entire life. It was thew most poorly written "fight" scene I'd ever seen, more of a really poorly done exposition dump about magic trying to pass itself off as an action scene. It was just so bad, like it was written by an entirely different person from who wrote the first chapter. Not only was the fight itself poorly written, but why the fuck would anyone start info dumping their rules of magic that early? Focus on the action, actually make it flow, and establish a little mystery about how it works for later. The dumb autists that actually care about "systems" will read regardless, and those who are indifferent might actually grow interested after they've seen it in action and what it means in the scope of the story.

[Anonymous No.18505821]

>>18503027
Sanderson's crap reads exactly like corporate tested shit, that's the problem. His story telling is highly formulaic, from the way he structures plot like he got it out of a textbook and overtly seeds plot points, and explains it all multiple times so even the dumbest idiot can follow along. The characters are one-note and easily understood, never having any genuinely conflicting or confusing thoughts or actions, because they are all defined solely by their pre-planned character arcs and nothing more (if you don't know exactly how a character's personal arc is going to end at least a third of the way in, you're an idiot). The content is nice, soft and agreeable, carefully made to never ruffle any feathers, exactly PG-13 when it comes to the action, relationships and even themes and thoughts expressed. The focus on "cool" fights, "badass" characters and "magic systems" is about as corporate as you can think of, riding on popular trends at the moment.

There's barely anything more soulless and derivative in modern fantasy at the moment.

[Anonymous No.18505900]

>>18505821
You sound bitter.

[Anonymous No.18505981]

>>18505821
There, there, I'm sure he'll get around to writing some nonconsensual gay incest cuckoldry eventually

[Anonymous No.18505982]

>>18505900
We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.18506006]

>You sound bitter.

[Anonymous No.18506011]

>>18503027
Everyone knows that Sanderson is a bad writer. And that's not even a controversial opinion.

He's an amazing business man though. All the merit to him.

[Anonymous No.18506078]

>>18505982
>>18506006
Why are you so upset by Brandon Sanderson being popular?

[Anonymous No.18506105]

>>18505255
Yeah, ever heard of GRRM? He did not write a single word of fantasy before ASOIAF. He was a sci-fi author at the time. Jack Vance was a science fiction author too who achieved fame later in his career through a fantasy trilogy (a very lame one if I may say).

[Anonymous No.18506230]

i like books

[Anonymous No.18506430]

>>18503067
Ripping off wholesale what manga and even western comics had been doing for decades before him isn't derivative?

[Anonymous No.18506502]

Finished Lord of Light recently. The Kindle version is a piece of shit. Poorly structured and riddled with typos. It makes an already hard-ish book to read even more so. Sudden perspective shifts mid-paragraph and missing punctuation. I don't know how this was greenlit for publication on Amazon in its current state.

[Anonymous No.18506519]

>>18506502
>Poorly structured and riddled with typos.
Strange, I grabbed the Great Book of Amber (all the amber books compiled into one volume) and it was likewise riddled with typos. Like an editor had used spellcheck on the whole thing then just rapidly clicked "accept" on every suggested change. I ended up feeling incredibly paranoid about every single oddly-worded passage, to the point I opened up a PDF scan of the original first book and reading them side-by-side. It was a terrible experience, especially since as you say the books are already hard-ish due to Zelazny's prose. I wonder if he just got shit editors for some reason.

[Anonymous No.18506528]

>>18506230
fag

[Anonymous No.18506740]

I'm a simple man, I read books heavy on romance subplots to desensitize myself from the abyss that is my life
simple as

[Anonymous No.18506745]

>>18506740
Any recommendations, brother?

[Anonymous No.18506912]

Why, yes, I only read SFF with TV and film adaptations because I can't visualize what I read without thinking I visualize it wrong. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18507930]

>>18506912
That's an awful lot of projection and very specific, sorry about your brainlet aphantasia anon.

[Anonymous No.18508011]

>>18507930
Tourist.

[Anonymous No.18508084]

>>18506912
I can only visualize cuck scenarios. Recs?

[Anonymous No.18508097]

>>18508084
The Prince of Nothing, by R. Scott Bakker.

[Anonymous No.18508173]

>>18504853
His prose is autistic. The concept is interesting but his writing style ruins it for me.

[Anonymous No.18508182]

>>18505049
I haven't read echopraxia, is it a direct sequel?

[Anonymous No.18508192]

>>18505255
Tad Williams has written in multiple genres, including fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18508244]

>>18505255
Adrian Tchaikovsky went from writing epic fantasy to a broad range of SF novels, including military SF. If you want the most hilarious transition, look at Scott Hawkins. From tech manuals and coding textbooks to weird fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18508282]

>>18508182
it follows blindsight chronologically and builds on information that was established in it but it's a whole different cast and plot

[Anonymous No.18508534]

>Why are you so upset by Brandon Sanderson being popular?

[Anonymous No.18508572]

>>18502141
Fantastic book, Chock full of good ideas and twists twill the very end. One of my favorites.

He is clearly an autist who doesn't understand people though. But so am I, so I don't care.

[Anonymous No.18508576]

>>18508244
Aw shit, he wrote The Library at Mount Char?

[Anonymous No.18508603]

>>18506105
I don't know why I mistakenly thought he wrote Wild Cards.

[Anonymous No.18508624]

>>18508603
I think he's either the writer or the editor of that book.

[Anonymous No.18508739]

>>18506740
give me something then, anyone
I want to forget too...

[Anonymous No.18508746]

>>18508739
Live life, anon.

[Anonymous No.18508805]

>>18508603
It might as well be since that series exist because Martin played a TTRPG game.

[Anonymous No.18508824]

>>18508746
I'd rather not

[Anonymous No.18508831]

>>18508824
Do it, its worth living.

[Anonymous No.18508837]

>>18490598
Sex with books. One thing you can't do with an ebook reader. Unless you buy 2.

[Anonymous No.18508844]

New thread
>>18508840

[Anonymous No.18508888]

>>18506912
>TV and film adaptations
These are almost universally shit. You're getting an extremely abridged interpretation of the source material. If anything, you get even less of an accurate visual representation than you would as a halfwit who struggles with visualization. I know being approached with adaptation offers is every modern writer's dream, but they will invariably have theirsource material defiled and sell their soul for profit.

[Anonymous No.18509505]

>>18504001
Current year man, it’s you!

[Anonymous No.18510444]

>>18503531
I agree. It's a fantastic book. The Lost World is a really good book as well. Quite different from the movie.

[Anonymous No.18510512]

>>18502252
Subjugation. It has some cringe inducing cucking of the mc though.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6765675-subjugation

[Anonymous No.18510545]

>>18506740
Pretty much this.

[Anonymous No.18510560]

>>18494779
I know exactly your type of person, I fuck you guys all the time. Yes yes I know that to autists like you and me kinks can seem like a fine topic. But unless you are better than every author in history so far it will be trash. If you must, learn classical symbolism and tell the audience the sexual stuff through that. Lilacs and hazelnuts and riverbanks and all that shit.

[Anonymous No.18510685]

>>18510512
How cucked are we talking?

[Anonymous No.18510701]

>>18510512
>cucking
the eternal menace strikes again...

[Anonymous No.18510714]

>>18510685
As cucked as in his gf literally getting fucked by another man. The aliens are able to fuck each other using telepathy and do not consider it cheating if it's just simply p in v.

[Anonymous No.18510738]

>>18510714
Dropped.