In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

[Anonymous No.18490062]

Okay so what's the deal with the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why couldn't they eat from it? is it like a buddhist thing, that once you start discriminating you become cringe, would we be better off if we were, dare i say, beyond good and evil?

if the knowledge of good and evil is a good thing, why didn't they kill god and eat from the tree of life too? then again, after eating from the tree of knowledge, they abandoned nudism and that's not based and redpilled at all. Also the story of Cain and Abel... idgi. What did ancient judeo-christian commentators have to say about all this?

[Anonymous No.18490069]

>>18490062
Etiological tale for the beginning of early agricultural society.

[Anonymous No.18490076]

>>18490062
Something like this

[Anonymous No.18490079]

>>18490062
>Okay so what's the deal with the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why couldn't they eat from it?
It's a metaphor for Humanity going past base animal instinct and understanding the nature of their own mortality. It's not that knowledge of good and evil is wrong in itself but rather it places humanity outside the natural order of things and puts man in a position where he can contemplate and even rebel against his place in the scheme of creation. Knowledge of morality creates in man an existential angst that no other creature has and this angst cannot be removed until we once again know God and our true destiny as the stewards of Gods creation.

[Anonymous No.18490086]

>>18490079
That's true, we became unnatural beings, instead of just living in a natural way, we wanted to become like God, having knowledge and bringing us to our downfall.

[Anonymous No.18490115]

>>18490086
Would it be possible to raise humans from birth isolated from this knowledge thus bringing back the days of Eden?

[Anonymous No.18490132]

>>18490115
I doubt it, we've evolved to be domesticated at this point.

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[Anonymous No.18490145]

It's hilarious to me that the Adam & Eve story are taken as literal fact instead of just a folktale foundation myth..

The whole practice of Christianity is dependent upon it.

[Anonymous No.18490149]

>>18490076
Dude, man is fallen, idk why but he just is, ok.

[Anonymous No.18490154]

>>18490145
>folktale foundation myth..
If such a folk tale were to have legitimacy what characteristics must it have?

[Anonymous No.18490155]

>>18490145
I think most Christians accept it as a metaphorical story.

[Anonymous No.18490160]

>>18490145
Sorry that you are too much of a brainlet to look at it philosophically.

[Anonymous No.18490163]

>>18490145
All cosmology is myth, we exist in a flashing present bereft of touchstone. Do you honestly think the big bang and evolution are the pure truth of what we are? They are dreams which vaguely conform to other dreams. They will be overturned as everything evolves.

[Anonymous No.18490171]

>>18490155
It is literally how sin entered into existence and the reason as to why you must be baptized/saved etc.

The concept of sin/original sin is the foundation for the reason why thlle religion exists in the first place.

They have to take it literally.

[Anonymous No.18490184]

>>18490171
My conclusion exactly. This is why I became a literalist.

[Anonymous No.18490186]

>>18490062
>is it like a buddhist thing, that once you start discriminating you become cringe, would we be better off if we were, dare i say, beyond good and evil?
Almost! The word usually translated as "knowledge" is a form that has the connotation of judgment, and the two verbs God uses when he commands man to rule the earth and the animals both end up meaning "to oppress" after this (one of them being the Hebrew verb for "rape"). So presumably, there's an issue where it's not just knowledge that's involved, but judging and determining what's good and what's evil, which might differ strongly from God, man lacking the vision of the order of the Whole.

[Anonymous No.18490219]

>>18490171
I don't believe that, I think its metaphorical, the book of Revelations is all metaphors. The main thing about the religion is having relationship with God, recognizing we are flawed beings and rituals like baptism redeem us from our imperfect nature give us a new hope in life. Same with confessing your sins to God it relives pressure of life onto something that doesn't rely on this world but goes beyond this world. That's just how I see it and how it helps me.

[Anonymous No.18490235]

>>18490219
Doesn't really make sense when it's your sins that end up damming a person or not

[Anonymous No.18490247]

>>18490186
Thanks, good post!

[Anonymous No.18490255]

>>18490219
Whats the point of a metaphor if it doesnt correspond to reality

[Anonymous No.18490259]

>>18490235
But we're all sinners, that's the flawed nature of man. We got here somehow and the Adam and Eve story is a metaphor. The knowledge of good and evil itself let us to evil. Animals can't do evil, they just live naturally, they don't have philosophy or morals, they just live. But we don't just live we live in our own chaotic man made civilization.

[Anonymous No.18490265]

>>18490255
I think it does.

[Anonymous No.18490273]

>>18490265
In what way?

[Anonymous No.18490280]

>>18490273
>>18490079

[Anonymous No.18490289]

>>18490062
they knew good and evil in principle (they chose between doing various good things) but they didn't know what it was like to commit evil until they disobeyed God, and with that experiential knowledge came shame and the Fall from Eden.

>if the knowledge of good and evil is a good thing, why didn't they kill god and eat from the tree of life too?
God is omnipotent

>>18490145
rejecting Genesis via modern prejudice and secular assumptions is cringe

[Anonymous No.18490292]

>>18490280
Is this meant in an evoltionist way? We evolved to know good and evil? Bit if this is the case then whats the point of redemption in a darwinian system?

[Anonymous No.18490295]

>>18490259
does a pet dog who knows (or has learned thru experience) that it's wrong to eat the couch suffer in the same way as fallen man... in the same way our worries about action and consequence are at the root of our experience/understanding of good and evil

[Anonymous No.18490300]

>>18490062
>the deal with the tree of knowledge of good and evil
It's a cope story to explain why we all suffer and die
>>18490062
>why couldn't they eat from it
Because babba said so
>The rest
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.18490306]

>>18490295
I don't think dogs can comprehend that level of self conscious thought

[Anonymous No.18490324]

>>18490292
The point would be psychological wellness, for most of the world they need something to believe in because the world can fail you in every way but at least you have something you can rely on that's independent of whatever the world throws at you, including your own downfalls.

[Anonymous No.18490330]

>>18490062
My brainlet take is that the original sin refers to self-awareness which the buddhists take to be the key to buddha-hood. It's not actually a sin, but rather the first instance when innocence becomes mortal. The tree of wisdom was full knowledge, but Adam and Eve did not grow it by themselves. So eating the fruit is first acquiring something that doesn't belong to you ie. an attempt to absorb someone else's full knowledge without having to do anything yourself, and second, the fruits are only partial knowledge ie. good and evil. Because of its incompleteness, you now need to grow the tree yourself, and that's when suffering begins.

[Anonymous No.18490338]

>>18490324
So it's just a cope?

[Anonymous No.18490343]

>>18490338
No, I think God exists.

[Anonymous No.18490349]

Goodnight, sorry if I don't reply, got to sleep.

[Anonymous No.18490350]

>>18490186
>>18490062

This is the reading that I've also learned, but I didn't know of the linguistic component. It makes even more sense now. I've always thought this interpretation made more sense. That Adam and Eve ate from the knowledge of good and evil, thus taking upon themselves the authority to decide what is good and evil (as opposed to discernment and following God's way) and consequently falling from grace, just rings throughout the ages until the present day. It truly is the sin of sins. Perhaps seconded only by the pride that caused it?