/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18481981]

Reject Evola and Guenon, Embrace the Mircea Eliade pill

[Anonymous No.18483513]

>>18481981

[Anonymous No.18483531]

Eliade on Guenon

[Anonymous No.18483557]

>>18481981
Reject Eliade, embrace Jung.

https://carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2020/07/15/carl-jung-letter-to-mircea-eliade/#.YM2WH2gzbIU

[Anonymous No.18483572]

Reject Eliade and Evola, embrace Conze
1/2

[Anonymous No.18483574]

>>18483572
2/2

[Anonymous No.18483583]

>>18483557
Eliade is greater than Jung but I hold Jung in high regard as well.
>>18483572
>>18483574
Conze is far inferior to Eliade

[Anonymous No.18483588]

>>18483583
>Eliade is greater than Jung
How so?

[Anonymous No.18483596]

Eliade is based, I like the guy
>>18483513
haha that would be hilarious
>>18483557
daddy

[Anonymous No.18483619]

>>18483588
I'm not going to try and make my opinion an objective thing. Personally, I find Eliade to be the superior philosopher and writer. I think I have achieved some of my personal greatest insights from reading Eliade and he's certainly had a huge influence on me. Very few people have drawn me in like Eliade. He was great at philosophy and is an underrated novelist. Jung has interesting concepts but I'm not exactly a fan of psychoanalysis and that's where a lot of time is focused on in Jung's work.

[Anonymous No.18483655]

>>18483513
I love that they also labeled Transylvania "Indep. Nigger State."

[Anonymous No.18483742]

>>18481981
eliade is cool; guenon and evola are retards ---there is no comparision betwen the former and those two donkeys.

[Anonymous No.18483803]

>>18481981
lol dont let 4chan retards get to Eliade, let them have the dogshit evolas and guenons

[Anonymous No.18483814]

Reject facile conformism, embrace who you will.

[Anonymous No.18483830]

>>18483803
Don't worry. This is a singular thread. I have no plan on spamming Eliade

[Anonymous No.18483834]

>Momentously racist / orientalist / makes me hate humanity, remembering that I once saw no problem with all the bizarre things Eliade writes / does to Indian culture in this book makes me want to hurt myself...

Eliadebros explain yourselves

[Anonymous No.18483835]

>>18483574
>I refused to meet him personally
What a coward

[Anonymous No.18483852]

>This book really got me thinking. I mean how can someone take plasure over someone else's body while the person is crying and begging him to stop touching her, and doing the exact same thing the next day....How can someone abuse emotionally a 16 y.o girl with daddy issues, destroying her life, writing a book about this and being presented as the greatest romanian love story.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

[Anonymous No.18483857]

>>18483852
lol based

[Anonymous No.18483859]

>A clash of cultures portrayed as a love story between a French engineer and the "exotic" daughter of a wealthy Indian man. Eliade was a fascist who saw the world through the clash-of-civilization prism which was the hallmark of "philosophy" and "intellect" in early 20th Century Europe. Since the girl can't be anything but a sex object and the country where she lives can never be anything but alien, it's an exercise in solipsism. No real point to it.

????????

[Anonymous No.18483868]

>I picked it up because the East-meets-West part of the premise was intriguing. But, it was terribly disappointing; there was an endless parade of tea in dining rooms, small talk on verandahs, lots of posturing and other such trivial stuff. I did not care for the characters either. The girl was a vain, self-absorbed, and temperamental creature, prone to fainting and to frequent bouts of crying. I wanted to reach into their world and slap her for crying, pouting, and acting like a coquette by turns. Much later, she says she has no romantic feelings for the author. Disgusting. The author himself is pretty indecisive - does he like the girl or does he not? Does he want to marry her or does he not? Does he find her ugly or does he not? How banal. It ends with the girl being beaten up by her mother (who does not do it herself but gets the chauffeur to do it) and the guy thinking - was I really in love or was it all a farce? I don't even want to know.

OK.. LOL

[Anonymous No.18483925]

>>18483852
>>18483859
>>18483868
holy shit learn to greentext properly or fuck off newfag, your posts give me migraine.

[Anonymous No.18484107]

>>18483572
>He was, in fact, like Karl Marx when confronted with the British Working Man in an English pub on Tottenham Court Road.

[Anonymous No.18484216]

Eliade and Evola were literally frens.
Eliade also introduced Evola to Codreanu

[Anonymous No.18484229]

>>18481981
>Eliade
The jungian guy who got cucked after joining the academic world and renounced his guenonian beliefs in order to fit in? No thanks.

[Anonymous No.18484240]

>>18481981
I appreciate Eliade, great man with great insights, but my main issue with him compared to Evola/Guenon is that he put the "primitive" religious expressions on the same level as all other religions, instead of seeing them as degenerated forms like those others did. That doesn't mean there's nothing to be learned from them, but it changes the context and the applicability somewhat.
Still everyone should read him, the only book by him I didn't really like was the one on occultism and cargo cults.
>>18484216
Also this.

[Anonymous No.18484249]

eliade explicitly dabs on /pol/ users calling politics a false religion, explicitly naming nazism and communism. in this sense i find him very based

now in regards to his association with jung and evola i find him very cringe

[Anonymous No.18484260]

>>18484240
>he put the "primitive" religious expressions on the same level as all other religions
did he? my reading of eliade left me an impression that he considers paganism/polytheism a degeneration of the edenic monotheist religion. he would always mention how it all began with monotheism (God the Father, creator) and it degenerated into a state where people began to ask for material help in agriculture etc.

[Anonymous No.18484279]

>>18484260
WIth primitive I meant animistic, not polytheistic/pagan since those are obviously not primitive. He spends a lot of time on Aboriginal/African expression. He seems to view it, like modern academia, as a remnant of ancient times instead of a degeneration of more developed expressions.
>he would always mention how it all began with monotheism (God the Father, creator) and it degenerated into a state where people began to ask for material help in agriculture etc.
That's a bit oversimplified but I don't think even Evola/Guenon would disagree there, especially the latter, with the Golden Age spirituality and all that. But yes that's another one of my issues with Eliade, his christian background sometimes clouded his perceptions somewhat, even though like I said he offers many valuable insights.

[Anonymous No.18484300]

>>18484279
>But yes that's another one of my issues with Eliade, his christian background sometimes clouded his perceptions somewhat, even though like I said he offers many valuable insights.
eh? why are you anti-christian?

[Anonymous No.18484318]

>>18484260
There's not really much evidence for primordial monotheism (in the Christian/Abrahamic sense) except in Iran and a few blips of religious oddity in Egypt (like Akhenaten and his unique monotheist sun cult). But even these are not really "primordial" in the true sense of being totally original or Edenic. I think it is generally historically unfeasible to ignore the Aryan migration theories, which are basically historical fact at this point and have huge relevance to these religious studies.

[Anonymous No.18484326]

>>18484300
I broadly agree with Evola's take on christianity, that in past times there were some good qualities to be found in catholicism and orthodoxy, but that that was mostly due to syncretistic remnants that were later ironed out. Christianity and its inherent degeneration is the main reason for the current spiritual mess we're in. Guenon came to a similar conclusion that christianity was dead inside and beyond saving, albeit for different reasons than Evola.
There's just too many internal contradictions within christianity that this was bound to happen. The same goes for islam by the way, don't get me wrong.

[Anonymous No.18484334]

>>18484326
>Christianity and its inherent degeneration is the main reason for the current spiritual mess we're in
If you'd read Evola or Guenon you'd know the kali yuga will continue regardless of Christianity's influence.

[Anonymous No.18484346]

>>18484318
I think his point was that polytheism was a development from some form of monotheism, which is not unreasonable to think, however if that monotheism is to be interpreted in the Abrahamic sense it would be wrong, that is a very recent, exclusive and degenerated form of monotheism.

[Anonymous No.18484360]

>>18484334
I have, obviously, and while that's technically correct, that doesn't change anything I said, that christianity has run its course and has overall done more harm than good. If anything christianity has sped up the process by first homogenizing and then leaving hardly any sparks for fires to be rekindled. The Kali Yuga doesn't have to be a straight path downward.

[Anonymous No.18484377]

>>18483513
The world would be a much better place with the US partitioned like that
>The North-West part of the English finance money-laundering empire
>The agri-south separeted between spics and niggers to work the plantations
>The West Coast part of the Pacific Tech Zone
>The flyover wasteland turned into a safespace for hicks to fuck sheep and cousins and bitch about everybody else without bothering the rest of us
Truly the best of all worlds

[Anonymous No.18484387]

>>18484360
Delusional.

[Anonymous No.18484393]

>>18484387
How? Adhering to a spiritually dead religion seems the actual delusion to me.

[Anonymous No.18484597]

>>18484326
evola was a degenerate practitioner of 'sex magick'. imagine trusting his take on christianity over that of saints.

[Anonymous No.18484613]

>>18484597
Wow you quoted all the wikipedia buzzwords, good for you. Why should I take the words of saints over his?

[Anonymous No.18484645]

>>18483557
What's so great about Jung? All I've heard about him sounds dumb so I'm not very tempted to try him

[Anonymous No.18484652]

it amazes me how people are willing to judge christianity from the outside based on the opinions of an outsider such as evola, who was into magic and political action. i guess this is the fruit of a protestant upbringing / milieu.

>>18484613
because he was spiritually dead while they were not? he was a futurist with german philosophy background. you think he is authoritative on judging christianity as "spiritually dead" >>18484393 yet he himself was devoid of any spirituality. in guenon's own terms evola is anti-traditional. 100% modern product

>uhhh why should i take the words of saints over that of a degenerate practitioner of sex magick on christianity!!??
yeah. stick to your modernist guru.

[Anonymous No.18484701]

>>18484652
>it amazes me how people are willing to judge christianity from the outside based on the opinions of an outsider such as evola, who was into magic and political action. i guess this is the fruit of a protestant upbringing / milieu.
So many disingenuous assumptions. Evola was raised catholic, he was not an outsider. He was more well-versed in christian theology than most modern christians.
>because he was spiritually dead while they were not?
He wasn't and why should I assume they weren't? Baseless takes.
>he was a futurist with german philosophy background.
He was much more than that, but by that logic, Paul was a jew with a rabbinical background. You think he is authoritative on christianity?
>in guenon's own terms evola is anti-traditional
No, that's blatantly false. Guenon and Evola disagreed over some issues (most notably the spiritual authority vs temporal power) but were mostly in agreement, Guenon didn't consider Evola anti-traditional.
>yeah. stick to your modernist guru.
You haven't given me any reason, just cope.

[Anonymous No.18484759]

>>18484701
guénon and evola only agreed on the increasingly fall of humanity. they had two opposite worldviews, he sought after the triumph of the will, active transformation of the material world. evola did not adhere to any tradition, he was spiritually dead as any man of the will is. he is nietzsche 2.0 for /pol/ incels

you are the one coping. but then again stick to your dead end futurist guru. leads to nowhere. ngmi

[Anonymous No.18484761]

>>18484759
>wikipedia buzzwords
>muh pol
It's so tiring

[Anonymous No.18484771]

>>18484761
>wikipedia
this is pure projection. i would have yet to read his article in there. why do you judge others based on your own stature?

[Anonymous No.18484775]

>>18484393
Its not a spiritually dead religion. All your criticisms should be directed towards the church.

>>18484613
The UR Group advocated for sex with girls under 12 years old for purposes of magic so whatever.

[Anonymous No.18484866]

>>18484775
>spiritually
Fuck off to /x/ schizo

[Anonymous No.18484873]

Is Eliade counter-initiation?

[Anonymous No.18484877]

>>18484597
>not practicing sex magick nightly with big tiddy o9a gf

[Anonymous No.18484930]

>>18483531
Interesting, thanks.
But first Guénon viewed what Eliade explained as tradition, anything sacred, but not necessarily only esotericism, so his criticism doesn't apply against Guénon.
For the polemical side, I don't see the problem, on the contrary one could argue Eliade was very consensual about western philosophers or the western world.
Guénon doesn't say someone in the university is necessarily untraditional, but that it is the case in his time.

I remember Eliade's take against the antisemitism of the christian tradition so I disregard him. Guénon's inflexibility is very precious and is the difference between him, new age and compromission.

[Anonymous No.18484957]

>>18484930
Guenon's inflexibility is what leads him to be a parochial neo-vedanta sectarian instead of someone who can shepherd people toward their appropriate traditions. Most people who read and value Guenon today are Islamists who like him because he validates their wounded pride over the Sufi side of Islam being superior to Christianity, which has become totally exoteric. That's a shame because there's a lot more to value in Guenon than validating stupid Muslims looking for ammunition to postcolonially dab on whitey.

Guenon unironically should have been slightly more ecumenical. He placed way too much faith in initiation in a time when legitimate initiations probably just do not exist. The result is Schuon's insanity. Every Indian guru also has horrible sex scandals for this very reason. They are obsessed with initiation and don't have it, so they impose the form of initiation (secrecy, hierarchy, solemnity) on things that are not actually metaphysical.

But I guess you can't fault Guenon if he sincerely believed it existed. It's just that his impact is lessened by it. He could have been more of a counterweight to Evola. As it stands, people "pick" either Evola or Guenon based on their preconceived preferences/assumptions about world history and the place of tradition in it.

[Anonymous No.18485004]

>>18484957
> in a time when legitimate initiations probably just do not exist
Sorry but you are objectively wrong. Ancient initiations still exist in our time, just like apostolic succession.
He searched truth and not popularity, yet he got it, like an ascete who receive what he renounce, precisely because he renounce it. He is now well known precisely for his seriousness. He doesn't balance Evola in a quantitative but qualitative manner.
He is read by islamist as well as orthodox (who have initiation in hesychasm according to him) and Indouist, freemasons (he is still an autority), and most importantly he brings people to adopt a real tradition, and not stay in-between.

[Anonymous No.18485127]

>>18484957
>Every Indian guru also has horrible sex scandals for this very reason.
Nonsense, only the self-promoting celebrity gurus who are removed from traditions, with the actual members of the many centuries-old sampradayas it's practically unheard of

[Anonymous No.18485500]

>>18484240
This is why you're a brainlet just like Evola and Guenon.

[Anonymous No.18485509]

>>18484260
>paganism/polytheism a degeneration of the edenic monotheist religion
Dropped

[Anonymous No.18485526]

>>18483531
Based. Guenon was a retard.

[Anonymous No.18485662]

>>18481981
>Reject Evola and Guenon
>people ITT don't have the aristocratic spirit
ngmi

[Anonymous No.18486121]

>>18483925
Take your meds

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18486176]

>>18485662
>aristocratic spirit

[Anonymous No.18486574]

>>18481981
Very based, I'm always shilling for him with friends and acquaintances. I had to study his short stories in Highschool and I still enjoy his fiction, pretty leisurely reads.

[Anonymous No.18486598]

>>18485526
>Guenon was a retar-
He was proficient at Greek, Latin, English, Italian, Russian, Polish, German, Spanish, Sanskrit, Hebrew, Egyptian Arabic and Chinese, was trained in mathematics and was extremely well-read in both eastern and western philosophy
>Guénon was a stupid posing larpe-
He was initiated into both a Vietnamese Taoist Triad as well as the al-'Arabiyya Shadhiliyya Sufi order, furthermore in all his writings he stressed the need for personal and genuine participation in whatever Traditions one aspired to follow. His acquaintances both Egyptian and western observed that he scrupulously followed Islamic observances during his life in Egypt
>Guénon was a literal nobody, he was not influenti-
Among the many western philosophers, artists and authors who were influenced by him or who warmly praised him include Carl Schmitt, Simone Weil, Aleksander Dugin, Seraphim Rose, Antonin Artaud, Ananda Coomaraswamy, Olavo de Carvalho, André Breton, Mircea Eliade, Alain Danielou, Julius Evola, Michel Valsan, André Malraux, Albert Gleizes, René Daumal, Raymond Queneau, Paul Ackerman, Huston Smith, William Chittick, Steve Bannon, Harry Oldmeadow, James Cutsinger and Hossein Nasr. Furthermore as Nasr notes in his article 'The Influence of Rene Guenon in the Islamic World', Guénon is well-known and influential among the intelligentsia including traditional Islamic scholars in certain Islamic countries such in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Malaysia.
>Guénon just made a bunch of stupid and unjustified comparisons between religio-
To the contrary over the course of some twenty odd books he painstakingly and patiently elucidated the fundamental agreement between the metaphysics of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufism, Hermeticism and Christian esoterism, work that Coomaraswamy built on and further confirmed

[Anonymous No.18486722]

This is his best book

https://archive.org/details/forbiddenforest00mirc

[Anonymous No.18487172]

>>18486176
You wouldn't get it.

[Anonymous No.18487228]

I love Mircea Eliade but I must side with Guénon

[Anonymous No.18487250]

>>18483619
I read Sacred & Profane and didn't get much out of it, seemed very light. Which of Eliade's books have the real shit?

[Anonymous No.18487605]

>>18487250
Sacred & Profane was written as a kind of pocketbook, something easy to read for the layman. A History of Religious Ideas, The Myth of the Eternal Return, his works on Yoga, Shamanism, Alchemy, and Initiation are my favorite. You can skip the first one (it's long and exactly what the title says it is, a history of religious ideas from prehistoric times to the modern age) if you wish to get acquainted with his thinking first.

[Anonymous No.18487627]

>>18487605
Patterns in comparative religion is pretty good too.

[Anonymous No.18487658]

>>18487605
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.18487901]

[Anonymous No.18488334]

>>18483557
Fuck off.
>>18484645
Midwit professional snake oil salesman and adulterer for impressionable young men. He forms an adequate guide for getting laid with art hos, but you can do much better than this Freud derivative if you want to seriously delve into the esoteric.

[Anonymous No.18488385]

>>18486176
You're a fat fucking dyke.

[Anonymous No.18488394]

>>18484866
Anon I was just replying to someone who said the same thing.