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Why don't normalfags care about philosophy or literature?

>> No.18476962

>>18476947
The world encompassing effects of capitalism and our increasing attachment to screens and images and words breaks down the belief that words alone can be satisfying + most philosophy is simply bullshit spewed by people very safely and cozily in their body with no danger, leaving them free to go DUDDE WHAT IF IMNA BRAIN IN A JAR

>> No.18476967

>>18476947
why think or read if you could just listen to a 3 hour podcast

>> No.18476969

>>18476947
Its good they don't, popular interest would ruin philosophy by having it be easily digestible for the masses

>> No.18476973

>>18476962
>safely and cozily in their body with no danger
Socrates was a soldier in his youth.

>> No.18476989

Too busy trying to pay rent

>> No.18477000

>>18476962
Technically, in an eternal cosmos, you're more likely to be a Boltzmann brain than a legit organism. Flittering into existence just long enough to think you've posted garbage on an imaginary imageboard

>> No.18477031

>>18476989
this
Then again, I have a job as well. The thing is, wagecuckery is usually comorbid with addiction -- television, music, food, and so on. Can't blame them too much. You have to make a conscious effort. Most people have been trained to only value immediate satisfaction; working out, reading and learning skills does not provide that.

>> No.18477035

>>18477000
Boltzmann brain is a meme

>> No.18477042

>>18476947
Most people's conception of philosophy is very vague so they never get into it; not even when they find it "interesting".
I remember recently when a normie friend of mine wanted to show me a Youtube video that was "philosophically deep" and it was pseud shit about s o c i e t y. Not that it's bad to think about it, but very few people will be interested if it's portrayed as either long boring discussions or "dude so deep lmao" stuff.

Literature is fairly popular, it's just that, as any other artistic medium, mostly the commercially succesful product is the one that receives value. The same way you will never see a normie go "have you watched Godard? That is so cool!"

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>>18476947
They don't have souls.

>> No.18477112

>>18477035
If consciousness is just patterned energy I don't see a way around them.

>> No.18477118 [DELETED] 

because philosophy is fucking stupid and most people think whatever genre fiction is on trend is literature

>> No.18477128

>>18476947
Why do you ask stupid repetitive questions and expect different answers?

>> No.18477131

It has no direct effect on their lives, and they are not capable of making use of it. And that's a good thing: if people were all philosophers, civilization would collapse.

>> No.18477148

>>18477031
>working out
its normalfag as fuck

>> No.18477161

>>18476967
Why would you listen to podcasts when you can have sex and play vidya?

>> No.18477212

>>18477148
It's just an intersection of normalfaggotry and being based.

>> No.18477234

most people probably have at some point. if you talk to normalfags a lot of them have read crime and punishment, jane austen etc. its just not the biggest priority in their lives.

>> No.18477258

>>18476947
Because they're retards. Have you tried talking to normies recently? Everything is about the Office or the latest Superbowl episode

>> No.18477280

This answers it well
>>18472248

>> No.18477288

Men are taught literature is unmanly and a waste of time, something only women, faggots and nerds spend their time reading

>> No.18477301

>>18476967
>3 hour podcast
you mean a 10 minute ted talk

>> No.18477318

>>18477212
I guess it depends on why are you working out in the first place?

>> No.18477558

>>18476947
Too busy thinking about who their going to do the big sex with

>> No.18477569

>>18476947
Because they're having hot sex instead.

>> No.18477585

>>18476947

Because it requires too much thinking and they can't bother since it's simpler to be ignorant and watch Cuties on Netflix

>> No.18477649

>>18477107
That's still only 17% of people who don't use inner speech, though

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>>18476947
Their free time if any is used up by entertainments.
Absurd/random thoughts will only occur when you're thinking too much: stress, depression, etc, or not thinking at all: toilet, dozing off, meditation, watching fishes, etc

>> No.18477687

>>18476947
Philosophy is mostly a waste of time

>> No.18477694

>>18476973
hes referring to most philosophy nowadays

>> No.18478001

>>18477687

That's because you're infected by capitalism and consumerism to believe that the only things worth doing in life are those which allow you to gather more material things.

>> No.18478005

>>18476947
just like good music, complexity takes time to appreciate and digest. the harder it is to understand the less likely it'll be popular !

>> No.18478035

>>18476947
They're having sex

>> No.18478055

People dont stop and contemplate, this can be a good thing because as this board has shown people that become obsessed with philosophy become insufferable assholes and whiny bitches but its also a downside because we end up with the drones that most people are

>> No.18478072

Half of people are under 100 IQ, getting them to think for themselves is utterly pointless as they'll only come up with even stupider doctrines than the philosophers

>> No.18478083

>>18477148
most people are obese

>> No.18478089

>>18476947
You need genius IQ and intellectual initiative to appreciate but not to understand philosophy and literature when there isn't a giant normie wrangling institution shoving philosophy and literature down normie throats. Consider pattern recognition and abstract reasoning as rare faculties only the "ELITES" (Normie speak for humans) possess. Kant's whole encapsulation of human reason post Hume is a level of slow meditation that is beyond the pale of Normie patience. It doesn't have ringing buzzers and constant reminders of "what's in it for you" with full trust bias reassurance no doubts creeping in. Kant lets us understand Der Normie however as a profoundly stunted being by letting us know that intuition is the grasping of and grasping for knowledge. The normie will not grasp only slick slither by. Just as a snake will not try to drive a car.

>> No.18478092

>>18477678
This. They're like flies on shit

>> No.18478093

>>18477301
the ones listening to a 10 minute ted talk know they're half-wits, not so sure about the podcast drones

>> No.18478097

>>18478093
Secondary source half wits think themselves to be on par with the philosopher and scientist who first sourced each grueling task himself
(Ooh sorry I meant herself I mean xzerself teehee)

>> No.18478107

>>18477569
It ain't hot
They're trying not to puke at Hooters while slurring their speech at some 6/10 girl with bipolar disorder and 90 IQ
Enjoy your mascara mutts, Cletus Garcia
I think I'll get a face tattoo on my ass HUHUHUHUHU

>> No.18478234

>>18477107
I think I have something wrong with me, I have an inner monologue at least 90% of the time. Sometimes I literally can't stop it

>> No.18479087

>>18478001
What the fuck are you talking about you think some illiterate peasant in medieval times gave a shit about the quibbling of scholastic philosophers. Philosophy has always been a waste of time

>> No.18479090

You might be a normalfag in denial anon
4chan is very normie

>> No.18479091

>>18478234
I have an inner monolouge 24/7. I don't know how I would be able to function without it.

>> No.18479112

In all seriousness, I don’t think someone with an average IQ can really understand philosophy to begin with. I don’t know what the cutoff for minimum intelligence required to be able to understand philosophy but it’s definitely higher than what most people have

>> No.18479141

>>18477280
This.

>> No.18479146

>>18477112
Giant if

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>>18479091
>I have an inner monolouge 24/7.
me too
>I don't know how I would be able to function without it.
I don't know how to stop it I literally make my own worlds in my head, and I zoom out of this world, its kind of annoying sometimes

>> No.18479183

>>18477131
are u fucking retarded? civilization isnt collapsing now to you?

>> No.18479236

>>18478234
And it wont stop either. i cant fucking sleep. I hear my own voice in my head and it won't stop fucking talking.

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>>18479156
I don't even consider someone without a monolouge fully human. They're not much different from a common animal.

>> No.18479267

>>18477107
Does anybody give a shit about inner speech who isn’t desperately clinging on to anything which makes them “superior”?

>> No.18479294

>>18479267
how the fuck can you know something if your mind is incapable of putting it into words? It's an absence of conscious thought. Like a fucking dog. Its not being obsessed with superiority. Its the absurdity that other don't have it. It's like finding out a large portion of the population is mentally disabled and no one acknowledges it.

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>>18479245
>that story

>> No.18479399

>>18476989
This. I lived the wagecuck life for a few years and every day when I came home, all I wanted to do was turn my brain off and watch TV shows and play video games for the rest of the night. You have no motivation to do MORE work when you get home.
Having a job you hate just sucks any and all joy out of life you may have, so I understand why NPCs get addicted to Netflix and vidya. Luckily I'm back in college now and will be doing what I love in a year or two.

>> No.18479414

>>18476947
Why do you care about normalfags?

>> No.18479466

>>18479294
It’s possible that I’m just not as conscious of my monologue, because I just tried having a train of thought without thinking of any words and found it difficult. I’d probably still say that it’s not on 24/7. Like if I’m thinking of what to have for lunch, I’m more likely to visually imagine my options and imagine how they would feel and taste in my mouth than think “corned beef sandwich”. I don’t think this makes me dog-like, and if it does, I don’t really care.

>> No.18479480

>>18476947
There's thousands of books, there's a handful of popular TV shows on at a time. You find someone who likes reading and chances are you mostly won't have read the same books and so the conversation is much harder than "have you watched this show that every Netflix just is currently watching?"

>> No.18479516

>>18479466
>I’m more likely to visually imagine my options and imagine how they would feel and taste in my mouth than think “corned beef sandwich”.
I do both. I can imagine eating the food and I also think about it with words and use the words to help weigh it against other options.

>> No.18479564

>>18476947
The simple answer is short attention span. Why read a book when you can watcha 7 second video vainly explaining some facts to make you look good among your peers.
Reading takes time and it will only reward you in a long run. Some people will get it later on in life, and some never do. Most people in history never ment to be well read, as now. We need flesh and bones to do dirty work and no person who's seen enlightment will do it.

>> No.18479590

>>18479516
I see how that might help clarify your thoughts, but how does it give you a soul? (Assuming you’re the anon I originally responded to)

>> No.18479598

Test

>> No.18479619

>>18479590
A person without an inner monolouge would be no different from a common animal. You seem to still be able to think because you mentioned being able to imagine how different food would taste and choose between them. That ability to weigh options and choose is what an inner monolouge grants. You might not have as many words as some other people, but you still have "internal experiences."
An example of a person with no monolouge, who is no different from an animal, is in the reddit screencap in this image >>18479245

>> No.18479943

>>18479590
I have no comment about the soul, my point is more so the disconnect between someone with a monologue and one without. I can not understand how someone without the ability hold a conversation with themselves with their internal monologue can actually understand the world around themselves.
To me to go without would be like being one of Pavlov's dogs. You hear bell, you know there's food. Everything would be a learned and conditioned reaction to the world around you through sensory inputs. you couldn't question the purpose of the bell, why sometimes there wasn't food, etc.

>> No.18479946

>>18476947
Professionalism

>> No.18480018

>>18479619
I’m still skeptical that “non-thinkers” even exist. I just don’t think it’s possible for someone to get through school and become an adult without thinking about their surroundings. The idea that people without monologues are glorified p-zombies just seems like unfounded solipsism. It honestly seems so ridiculous that I’m beginning to suspect I’m missing the point,

>> No.18480050

I hope i wont forget it after i'll end up being wagecuck

>> No.18480120

>>18480018
I have just now come to the similar epiphany as that of op that all the years leading upto now I've mostly had my thoughts occur in a hodgepodge of imageries and sensations, instead of coherently strung together words. always thought this was normal but guess it's not. I'm ESL btw

>> No.18480125

>>18476947

Philosophers write to an elite minority

>> No.18480135

>>18479399

Reading lit and philosophy shouldn't feel like work unless you have inordinate trouble understanding it

>> No.18480157

>>18479294
>>18479267
>>18477107
My experience is that after you do enough drugs you stop feeling the need to generate mental abstractions using inner speech. Language is woefully limited in terms of information density, and if you rely on your brains language center's ability to construct coherent, consistent sentences, you'll ultimately be limited by the rate at which you can produce those sentences & your vocabulary. In this sense, people who still rely on inner speech for their soul's language should find that the size of their soul is directly related to their ability to use a large number of words to translate their brain activity into language with high resolution/precision.

I firmly believe that nuanced, constant inner speech is a sign of higher intellect, and I also believe that there is a state of post-language inner speech one can reach once they have become both proficient enough with their language and attuned enough to themselves and the thoughts their minds produce. After a certain point, you shouldn't need to convert brain activity into words, store the words into a short term memory, analyze the words for meaning, and then convert back into brain activity. You should just be able to cut the middleman out entirely.

>> No.18480160

>>18477678
I thought like that constantly, my entire thought process would be extremely “meta” my own thoughts had even more abstract thoughts, it was terrifying, I was on antidepressants and after coming off of them, these slowly coming back and I feel relieved

>> No.18480313

>>18480120
It is very normal according to this study. >>18477107

>> No.18480390

>>18477678
Let’s not kid ourselves. Philosophy is itself a form of entertainment just like sudoku puzzles. It’s just something to do to pass the time until we die. It’s just fakes a certain type of person to find it enjoyable.

>> No.18480404

>>18480135
Humans have a finite amount of willpower. After waging all day and coming home and reading philosophy requires even more willpower to actually study and absorb/process what you are reading.

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>>18476947
Philosophy (and its cousin literature) are among the most gatekept and inaccessible interests. And yet most of you here are imbeciles anyway. It's all a rat race.

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>>18478234
>>18479091
>>18479236
Oh God, I was the only one who had this problem. I used to stay up hours past my bed time because I couldn't stop thinking. I was only able to fall asleep once I learned how to clear my mind via meditation. If I don't use meditation, I'll just stay up all night until I collapse from exhaustion. Sucks dude, but at least its over.

>> No.18480712

>>18480695
it's just schizoid personality i think

>> No.18480733

>>18480712
Nah I don't mean to self diagnose. I was fine until I started reading books. Like before I'd have trouble sleeping, sure, but it was nothing like the way it is now. Like, reading philosophy and things which have expanded my worldview means that my mind never stops. Like I'll be listening to some music, and I'll get to a particular lyric which interests me. Then, I either stop the song or listen to that lyric over and over again as I contemplate it. Is it autism? You know, I thought I was pretty normal, but now that I'm typing it up, it sounds pretty kooky.

>> No.18480752

>>18480733
You're here, so something went wrong along the way.

>> No.18480894

>>18479414
because ur environment affects how U live

>> No.18480909

>>18479245
Everyone has a monologue (well, apart from the truly brain damaged). The difference is in vividness.

>> No.18480924

>>18477280
/thread

>> No.18480992

>>18476947
See Leo Strauss, "Persecution and the Art of Writing" and Arthur Melzer, Philosophy Between the Lines.

>> No.18480995

>>18478072
>Half of people are under 100 IQ
>as if that means anything at all

>> No.18481005

>>18479091
I thought this was normal wtf

>> No.18481033

>>18476947
Being incurious is an acceptable/understandable strategy for most of mankind so long as ppl don't become NPCs parroting idiotic ideas.

>> No.18481039

>>18476947
They don't care about the world either. They think a chinese bat overheated by climate change gave us covid and now a vaccine prepared in 8 months will save the world, while philanthropists transform our planet into a bladerunner-tier dystopia but it's totally okay.

They're unrecoverable.

>> No.18481144

>>18480313
Thats only 17% of people. Hardly "normal"

>> No.18482448

>>18476973
that's why he's the most based
he's the only one who didn't write dozens of shitty books every year, talking about old faggots that died 100 years ago, or talking about some gay ass theory of "bruh reality ain't real we can't lick the atoms" crap. I mean, in the end, philosophers publish their gay ass papers online using computers that are vastly more complex than the action of staring at an apple and wondering if it's real.

I think all philosophers should first learn how a computer goes through billions of cycles of data processing every fucking second, and how that motherboard has so much data being processed, filtered, etc. just so that they can click "submit" and shoot out some bytes out of their ethernet port, that then reach philpapers.org.

I mean if these fucking gaylords understood how important math and computer science are right now, they wouldn't even waste their time on 99% of the shit they talk about. How can we know if something is true? Well, I don't know you stupid faggot, but look at you, you're typing on a keyboard and somehow your disgustingly pseud argument shows up on your monitor. Somehow, some faggots out there came up with the idea of a PDF document, of Latex, or tcp/ip, of process scheduling, and so on, and SOMEHOW (bruh??????? ?!?!?!?!?! but the world ain't REAL!!!!!!!!!) it fucking works perfectly.

>> No.18482500

>>18480995
>intelligence is somehow immeasurable
110 IQ take

>> No.18482503

>>18482448
Holy bugman

>> No.18482512

>>18480157
you're right. Speech is imperfect. Speech supervenes on thought. At many times we realize that we have gotten some crazy idea, that we then can't really describe or explain. This even happens with simple ideas, too. Try solving a simple math problem. Its easier to just solve it, than to break down your solution and try to understand how you thought of it and then repeat the process. So, for example, we may apply the theorem of Pythagoras to a triangle, but explaining why we did it is very difficult:
>we have a triangle
>a triangle has 3 sides and 3 inner angles
>if one of those angles is 90 deg, the triangle has special properties
>our triangle has such properties, because it has a 90 deg angle
>we don't know the length of the hypotenuse
>but we do know the length of the other two sides
>but we know the theorem of pythagoras applies to right triangles
>we trust our ability to correctly identify that our object is the same object that the "right triangle" in the theorem refers to
>based on this knowledge, we choose to apply this theorem
>we perform algebraic calculations by hand, and we string along these calculations by trusting that equality is a transitive, reflexive and symmetric mathematical relation
>we reach a result
>but this result, in the theorem, is equivalent to the length of the hypotenuse
>this means our hypotenuse is that long

all of this verbal shit (that doesn't even explain all of it) for something that even a child can intuitively know and do

inner dialogue is just a tool, we all use it from time to time, but not using it isn't that bad. It just adds more precision by allowing us to label things, but it's also imperfect and too superficial and weak.

>> No.18482519

>>18482503
lol I guess you just trolled the fuck out of me with that 4chan memeword lmao epic win fagget

>> No.18482545

>>18482512
>>18480157
speech also only works because we both already understand some things, that we can then quickly refer to by labeling or by constructing some sentence or paragraph. So, it's just a tool that requires prior intuition, thought, etc. If we say "that's an apple" we're just expressing a textual label that we both understand, because we both know what apples are, what verbs are, what it means to "be" etc.

>> No.18482562

>>18482503
butthurt pseud detected

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>>18482562
Eat shit, poindexter

>> No.18482600

>>18476947
I can read 50 books a year and still feel uneducated to the point of having made almost no progress towards learning. A normie will read 1 book in an entire year and brag about it.

They just dont care about anything but consooming and cooming.

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>>18476947
Ya know, seeing shit like >>18481167, it all makes sense now

>> No.18482622

>>18482600
Bro you need to step it up, I read 2000 books a year. Fifty? You're doomed to fail. Bro. Knowledge is like, measured in kilos. I consume 5kg of books a month. Step up your consumption of data, bro, you're weak. My computer beats my ass though, I can regex through 1gb of books in a second, that's like 500 books man... holy shit. My PC kicks my ass hardcore.

>> No.18482630

>>18482600
cooooooooomieeeess coooom cooooom OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MEMEE ooooo I looooooooveeeeeeeeeee adding -oo to everything it's so fucking funny klmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao... it's "u" but actually.. I wrote "oo". Yes... It's like, grammar mistake but ALLOWED by society cuz it's SO FUNNY!! KEKKERS

>> No.18482635

>>18476947
Reading is the most normalfag activity on this earth, retard.

>> No.18482638

>>18477234
they were forced to read a little bit during school, should that count if they were forced to do it? The last time most adults have read any book was high school. That's an actual statistic.

and i dont know how the fuck they can use a smartphone for 10 hours straight. you look at normalfaggots in the wild and they are always glued to their smartphone. and what are they doing on it? scrolling social media mindlessly. what the fuck is on instagram that could be so god damned interesting? i'd go insane. the only explanation to normalfaggots is that they have the better part of their potential faculties permanently turned off. it's like they're just mentally retarded.

>> No.18482648

>>18482622
>>18482630
samefag please

>> No.18482653

>>18482638
yeah bro you're the only one capable of conscious thought
you read so many books, your life's philosophy can be summed up as "solipsistic"... wow. Genius. READING IS SO FUN!

>> No.18482657

>>18482638
the npc meme is real bro.

>> No.18482673

>>18482648
wow you kicked my ass, intellectually speaking. How the fuck did you connect the dots? Bruh, all of those millions of crime novels must've helped, I bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO I got pwned.. you detected my VERY CLEVERLY hidden samefagging... you're good........ what's your powerlevel, son? how many kilos of books have thine consumed, o lord? can I touch your peepepe? dude I would fucking crush your skull with a hammer

>> No.18482676

>>18476947
>Why don't normalfags care about philosophy or literature?
For the same reason /lit/ isn't a board for people who read. Because reading is hard.

>> No.18482678

>>18482648
....s-s..s-s-so this is what skimming 1kg of shitty crime novels enables you to do? sugoi!!!! I bow to thee, lord... please, give me 5kg of books that you recommend me to mindlessly skim... I don't like to think, just... please... I want to consume too

>> No.18482685

>>18482676
reading is easy
thinking is hard
doing both at the same time is something that most people don't give a fucking shit about

why torture yourself when you can skim through 1000 books a year and then memorize quick summaries for each of them in case someone asks or just say the classic "bro I read that book a few months ago, I don't remember much... but yeah cool book nonetheless it's like french illuminism mixed with post-modernistic cannibal porn, yep, basically foucault or derrida but easier to consume... I love eating books"

>> No.18482686

>>18478234
Bro mine is almost 100% of my waking hours.
I can be at work at my office job, actively working the entire time and communicating with coworkers, AND listening to an audiobook, AND thinking about stuff on my own, all at the same time, and do all three perfectly well. 100% retention on my reading, coherent narrative of thoughts throughout the day where I can remember everything I had been thinking about, and my work is done not only well but better than my peers. And if you sit a normie down and tell him to think he'll say it's physically painful and give up after 5 minutes. If you sit a normie down inside for 1 hour with no phone, TV, computer, music, or anything else, just have him sit there by himself with his own thoughts, he'll go insane and act like it's torture. Any of us would have spent the time thinking and found it pleasurable, or at the very least, daydreaming.

Do you know why romantic bodice-ripper schlock and self insert power fantasy sci-fi/fantasy/anime LN shit sells so well? Normies can't even daydream unless you tell them what to daydream about. They're just robots running programming. That's why they are all obsessed with music, too--it's like a constant signal programming them with artificial emotional feelings. If you cut the music they stop feeling anything except with external stimulus. There is nothing inside them at all.

>> No.18482691

>>18482673
>>18482678
im glad you recognize my superiority

>> No.18482707

>>18482686
>That's why they are all obsessed with music, too--it's like a constant signal programming them with artificial emotional feelings
Maybe, but if you were to make a normie watch Fantasia they wouldn't understand it at all.

>> No.18482723

>>18482686
can you stop being such a fucking pseud? I just don't understand. Dude, you're listening to an audiobook. Can you even solve a trig equation while doing something else? But then how the fuck can you focus on an audiobook? Is it much simpler than a fucking trig equation?

That's just one part of why you're an idiot. The second point is, how the fuck can you claim to be special by daydreaming? You think you're the only one that uses his brain to think about shit? My fucking god. This thread is full of pseud bastards who have no idea about how anything works. Dude, skimming shitty novels and listening to audiobooks amounts to NOTHING. Let me spell it out for you: fucking NOTHING. You will sometimes pick up a phrase, or a word, as if some dude shot your brain with birdshot and sprinkled some words and various bits of trivia. But you're not ACTIVELY speaking.


MY FUCKING GOD

WHY DO YOU FUCKNIG MORONS THINK THAT THINKING ENDS AFTER HIGHSCHOOL AND UNI?

you wouldn't use an audiobook to study CALCULUS, so why use it to mindlessly consume books?

DUDE, HAVE SEX, do anything else but this shit. IT's just noise. You're not getting anything out of it.

>> No.18482744

>>18482707
>>18482686
oh yes le fucking stupid le normies le pseuds le ppl who dont mindlessly skim 1kg of books every year.

I will never fucking waste my time skimming through books and listening to audiobooks man. It's a waste of fucking time. None of you can't even RECITE THE TIMES TABLE while driving, cooking, jogging, etc. THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU LISTEN TO A FUCKKING BOOK??????????????????????????????????

DUDE. ACTIVE READING. ACTIVELY UNDERSTANDING. EFFORT. STRESS. WRITING DOWN STUFF. SUMMARIES. ANALYSIS. QUESTIONING.

>> No.18482772

>>18482744
>DUDE. ACTIVE READING. ACTIVELY UNDERSTANDING. EFFORT. STRESS. WRITING DOWN STUFF. SUMMARIES. ANALYSIS. QUESTIONING.
Normies dont do this.

>> No.18482814

>>18479564
>We need flesh and bones to do dirty work and no person who's seen enlightment will do it.
wrong

>> No.18482819

>>18482448
>this is your mind on stem
you are all just skilled labourers and barely a step up from untouchables, just make shit and be quiet worker ant lmao

>> No.18482834

It seems the normalnigger internet defense force is monitoring the thread. But all normalniggers are just that, spiritual niggers.

>> No.18482856

>>18482448
your computer isn't even real, it's just demons in a box. some schizos on /pol/ said so. and they posted the seal of solomon so i think they're probably right.

>> No.18482864

>>18476947

Movies, sex, money and the internet are manifestly more attractive to the human organism. I am sure that many other posts have amounted to the same thing, or got it half-right.

>> No.18482865

>>18482653
>>18482630
>>18482622
Asspained coooopers who don't read even 3 books a year but spend all their time posting on /lit/.

>> No.18482870

>>18482723
t. can't retain a book while multitasking
brainlet

>> No.18482891

>>18476947
Why do you want normies to care about philosophy and literature? Doesn't having them ignorant and dull give you an edge?

>> No.18482899
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Honestly, it's because it is fucking hard. You all can cope and say that it is about capitalism, degeneracy and so on, but in the end it boils down to how frustratingly hard it is to get initiated to philosophy.
Whatever you want to read will be at first absolutely impenetrable, since you have not read the dozen of books required to even just begin to get a grasp on the book's content. And if you think you're understanding it, it won't be long before you'll realize that everything you thought was retarded garbage (which usually only enrage the novice, who will often immediatly cope by derming philosophy as a whole as "bullshit" - it takes time and practice to get used to be wrong). The only way to get through it is to keep failing, to keep misreading, until eventually you get familiar woth philosophical terminology, with the general debates, and the general themes of western philosophy. It is frustrating, it takes a long time, and it is almost impossible to do so without some guidance (unless you have literal decades to waste). If you add the fact that most people don't even know what philosophy is, and that most of them will go through their entire lives without anyone explaining what it is to them, and you end up with a very clear verdict on why normies don't care about philosophy

>> No.18482915

>>18482448
This definitely reeks of onions. And I mean the adolescent defiant onions where 16 year olds go "Lmao like I get we need maths but... have u ever had to calculate big numbers in your head at any point or need to use quadratic equations???"

>> No.18482924

>>18477678
literature and philosophy are themselves entertainments, so this complaint is void. Catholics, Marxists, atheists and other adherents have merely entertained themselves DIFFERENTLY. That's all.

>> No.18482927

>>18476947
Who cares? Fuck normies.

>> No.18482931

>>18482891
>Why do you want normies to care about philosophy and literature? Doesn't having them ignorant and dull give you an edge?
Only if philosophy and lit had any value, which it doesn't

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>>18480733
If you look at it from Myers Briggs perspective then you're just a hardcore T, probably NT, most likely INTP

I am the same and sometimes i've full on cried because I couldnt shut my brain off and stop thinking. It sounds ridiculous but it happens.

Its great for a career in STEM or any problem solving field, I make shit tons of money solving problems all day, but if it goes too far it becomes a personal curse

>> No.18482994

>>18482931
Its value is in the ability to make a person very convincing and believable.

>> No.18483001

>>18482931
Why are you even here?

>> No.18483029

>>18482819
then stop using a fucking laptop/smartphone/pc you stupid fuck
you're like a cow being sent to receive the captive bolt to the brain, youre going through a narrow tunnel and this makes you more calm, but you've got tunnel vision you stupid cowman

MOO

>> No.18483037

>>18482865
bro I'm reading 50k books a year
QUICK
tell us how many kilograms of books you're reading each year
DON'T USE A SCALE, DO IT MENTALLY

>> No.18483041

>>18482870
bro who are you kidding... you couldn't even tie your shoelaces while reading some kindergarten bedtime story... you need a reality check

>> No.18483046

>>18482915
this reeks of zero reading comprehension. And by that I mean, a guy who reads 3000 books a year but can't even comprehend a 4chan paragraph-long rant. Bruh.

>> No.18483149

>>18483037
>>18483041
>he's this asspained
hahaha yikes dude

>> No.18483303

It takes genuine effort to actually learn about philosophy, and for most people who don't read much, reading literature can be somewhat challenging at first because it's hard to understand everything that's being said. In order to get some form of stimulation from the books or philosophy, you actually have to put in effort, so most people face the choice of getting instant, effortless stimulation from videogames or TV/social media, and obviously choose the easiest way, even if it's the most unsatisfying over a long period of time.

It's probably why a lot of people tend to prefer books that are extremely simple and straightforward with their prose and writing, because they can still get the stimulation from reading, but it's almost effortless. That's why a lot of people complain about Shakespeare and classics like the Odyssey being terrible, because they need to truly engage and focus on the book to understand and get something out of it. It's also the same thing with self-help books, which usually have pretty simple writing styles. It's much easier to get the vicarious pleasure from reading and consuming material about improving yourself, but actually improving yourself takes a lot of effort, and the pleasure is usually delayed, even if it is better than wasting away

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18483381

imagine lumping important things like literature together with worthless garbage such as philosophy

>> No.18483581

>>18482448
There are philosophers educated in computer science. Bernardo Kastrup comes to mind.

>> No.18483587

>>18483381
shut up fag

>> No.18483646

>>18476947
because they don't need a cope for not getting pussy

>> No.18483671

>>18479087
Should we base what's worth doing in life on what was important to illiterate medieval peasants?

>> No.18483714

>>18483381
Epistemology is the fucking foundation of you science you stupid cunt.

>> No.18483725

>>18483714
t.doesn't understand what science is.

>> No.18483797

>>18482814
This depends solely what you count as a dirty work. For me it's not jobs that demand physical strength, but ones that are simple and repetive. Not to be done, yet, by any machines. I myself also work physically demanding job, but it is a job that requires intelligence as well.

>> No.18483807

>>18483714
>scientists care what epistemologists have to say

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>>18483714
Most scientists don’t know or care about philosophy

>> No.18483824

>>18476947
It's not useful to the people in power so theres no real economic incentive.

>> No.18483838

>>18483813
Imagine not believing unnecessary pain is objectively bad.
>hurr durr it might be okay from some perspective to torture animals you never know

>> No.18483890

>>18483149
>still responding my posts and giving me attention
you got trolled kid... better luck next time

>> No.18483924

>>18483838
Should you torture animals to give other animals pleasure?

>> No.18484500

I don't believe for a second that there's people without inner monologue. They're just too dumb to know and realize what it is. If you speak a language you have inner discourse, simple as. You dumb cunts kys.

>> No.18484527

>>18483714
foundation on what? on logic? but logic itself is founded on mathematics. on rhetoric and vague jargons? but that's not a foundation at all.

>> No.18484537

>>18483924
Consider a set of animals A and a utility function, u(a) where a is an element of A, now let U be the integral of u across A where...

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it requires more than bare minimum effort

>> No.18484906

>>18482899
Much of what passes for philosophy is bullshit in the first place, so one can easily start with it, correctively diagnose it as bullshit, and skip the whole field.
Same reason Plato was enraged with the sophists teaching relativism and lies for your own money.

>> No.18484935

>>18482899
Some of it is genuinely hard to fully comprehend. Aristotle's metaphysics or Kant's First Critique come to mind. Most of it is easily penetrable if you have a reasonably above average IQ (probably 110-120). Most philosophy is not really much more than conjecture, so its value entirely depends on how open you are to entertaining conjecture.

>> No.18484976

>>18484500
not sure about inner monologue but there are people who claim that they can't visualize things in their minds eye
source: work a job that requires mental visualization and my workmate claims he can't do it

>> No.18485091

>>18482899
There's enough easy entry points though. Anybody can start with an introductory book or a historical overview. Even when it comes to primary sources anybody can pick up a platonic dialogue or Descartes meditations.
I think it's mostly comes down to screens being attention grabbers and screens are everywhere, making concentrating of reading whether it's philosophy or literature difficult.

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>>18483381
You got it backwards cunt

>> No.18485121

>>18482899
Brilliant empathetic post, Anon.
You internalized a lesson that has been hounding me painfully: "A strong man will cast aside challenges a weak man will be crushed by without regard or notice"
I am mentally that strong man. I had no way of knowing there is a cognitive obstacle to getting used to being wrong. I thought that came easy to everyone and only a post facto tantrum would cause resentment to tasks but no it's a priori to the challenge. It's like loading spoons with clay as though they were shovels.

>> No.18485152

>>18484500
You live under a rock and have never been intimately at work with any meaningful amount of politically sensitive organization

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>>18484500
r/Confession time

>> No.18485339

Why be moral?
What is good reasoning?
What should I believe?
Is love a sui generis attitude?
...
Well, normies generally do not like to think about such questions

>> No.18485365

>>18484527
Logic is not founded on mathematics. Logic is founded on the process of discovering truth through well-formed statements (dialectics and syllogisms). Logic existed for thousands of years before Boole and Babbage and others developed mathematical logic.

>> No.18485417

>>18485180
90% of people are normies who have internal monologue

>> No.18485721

>>18477678
Everything can be entertainment to someone, the most mundane task to you may be the most enjoyable activity to another person, I feel like we’re all hedonists as heart, when it all comes down to it, all of the higher knowledge we thirst for, we do it for a reason that will make us happy, or “entertain” us.

>> No.18485754

Can you get pussy or money by caring about that gay shit?
/thread

>> No.18486352

>>18476947
Because this website is under control of neonazis, which is why there's a big push in favor of Christcuck literature and irrational faith, rather than philosophy and critical thinking.

>> No.18487546

>>18476989
most philosophers worked a normal job to pay rent desu

>> No.18487630

>>18477112
It's not "patterned energy" it's a very complicated structure that has to be built or grown in a very specific way. There is no way that happens by "random chance". It took hundreds of millions of years for organisms to grow and develop the form of a nervous system, what on earth makes believe a nervous system will spontaneously develop independent of organisms? It's like expecting thunder to happen independently of lightning.

>> No.18487645

>>18487630
In eternity the probability of vacuum fluctuations resulting in temporary comparable structures approaches 1

>> No.18487651

>>18487630
Further, can you prove it needs a biological substrate? If it can be instantiated in silicon why couldn't it be free floating.

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18487814

>>18485754
Yes
>ManyWivesErnestHemingway.png

>> No.18487819

>>18486352
>Control of
Lmao
You mean influence
Neonazis would not put porn banners on the ad ribbons

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>>18485417
Ought =/= Is
Pay attention to slackjaw "huh" face next time you walk around

>> No.18487857

Normal love dancing not because dancers love to dance. They like having a few simple movements known and shown to them to exactly rotely repeat. Philosophy and literature is not handholding repetition of mechanic super happy Funtime. It's a frowning man on a leather couch smoking a pipe and staring at paper.

>> No.18490080

>>18487651
It's not that it can't be non biological. It can be manufactured or whatever, it's just that the entire manufacturing process is required for it to come into being. It's highly unlikely that the entire process will happen spontaneously on a meaningful level. It's something that would take millions of years and require something to sustain it the entire time. life is the best vehicle for that.

>> No.18490084

>>18487645
no

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>>18490080
Qualia are just shapes bro