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Literally nothing happens in this book.

>> No.18448390
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>>18448359
Good.

>> No.18448753

Happeningfags btfo

>> No.18448848

That is the best kind of book.
Also, Swann in Love is very exciting, you are a pleb

>> No.18448860

That's not why people read it.

>> No.18448863

>>18448359
Based.

>> No.18448871

>>18448753
BASED
Amazing style by proust

>> No.18448999

>>18448390
fpbp

>> No.18449004

>>18448359
thinly veiled schopenhauerian nihilism happens in the book

>> No.18449486

>>18448359
Is Proust even worth reading in translation?

>> No.18449491

>>18449486
No, don't do it. Don't read Homer, or Dante, or Tolstoy either. Just keep making excuses for yourself not to read the world's greatest books.

>> No.18449957

>>18449491
What if the translation has its own artistic merit like Pope's translations of homer

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>>18448359
Swann's one-sided love of that whore Odette is important because it foreshadows the relationships the main narrator will enter to later on in the book cycle. The whole theme itself of unrequited love starts in this section of the book cycle.

>> No.18450091

>>18448359
you've been filtered my boy

>> No.18450108

Reading Proust makes all other prose boring as fuck. I wish I never read him.
Once you go to a 5 star Italian restaurant, it's kinda hard to go back to Olive Garden.

>> No.18450236

>>18448860
What is your reason for why people read it then? I don't agree with OP that nothing happens but I just want to hear your other, different reason for why people read it.

>> No.18450266

For three thousand pages. Brilliant. Very French.

>> No.18450572

>>18450266
Swann's Way is actually 324 pages.

>> No.18451034

>>18450108
read celine

>> No.18451087

>>18448359
Read the Swann in Love portion again and then go again for the whole thing. That might make it more bearable.

>> No.18451832

>>18449957
Pope is actually much too liberal with his translation and strays too far. Read the essay "On Translating Homer" by Malcolm Arnold I think it was.

>> No.18452852

This is now an Odette hate thread.

Odette, Odette, you odious wench.
You’re a lesbian whore, with a sulfurous stench

>> No.18453717

>>18448848
thoughts on Lydia Davis's new translation?

>> No.18453835

>>18453717
I read Moncrieff

>> No.18453839

>>18448359

About halfway through.

Book is really good

OP is faggot.

>> No.18453858

>>18448359
Who cares about plots and things happening?

>> No.18453881

>>18450108
what about Joyce and Melville?

>> No.18453883

>>18449486
Moncrieff's ISOLT is itself one of the great modernist literary works. As a translation it's up there with Schlegel's Shakespeare and Zenith's Book of Disquiet

>> No.18453888

>>18448359
I love this book, and stuff does happen. You just have to keep reading it. The happenings are the things where nothing happens, its based

>> No.18453903

>>18450236
People don't read it for a grand, epic plot.
They read it for two reasons:
1) It is a commentary on the human condition which is as of yet unrivaled in its level of depth.

2) It is the greatest achievement of prose style since Flaubert.

>> No.18453910

Only a woman would say something like this

>> No.18453925

>>18453903
This

>> No.18453935

>>18453910
women love "nothing happens" books though

>> No.18453939

>>18449486
Only Moncrieff's translation. It's a masterpiece in itself.

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>>18448359
The book is amazing. But here you are thinking what? That it would be better if the good guy had a long struggle before beating the bad guy in a sword fight?

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>>18453988
>That it would be better if the good guy had a long struggle before beating the bad guy in a sword fight?
Yes
I read for fun and this book isn't fun

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>>18453997
You are the one who is in the wrong. Were you hoping for Harry potter? Was Fabio on the cover? It is delightful. You were delighted. Why did you come here to lie about not being delighted? Go read Conan the Cimmerian, barbarians seem more you.

>> No.18454121

>>18449969
she wasn’t even his type lol

>> No.18454142

>>18453997
Why do anons keep posting pictures of the muscular, gay Arab with the jaw deformity?

>> No.18455288

>>18453717
It’s fine. When a modern translation has this much attention from scholars, it’s going to stick close to the source material. Everything post-monticrieff is fine.

>> No.18455305

>>18448359
Which is why the book is so good. Save action for movies. Literature is about the things we can't see.

>> No.18455314

>>18449486
he isn't worth reading in french

>> No.18455341

>>18455314
based

>> No.18455353

>>18454142
you havent figured out everyone here is gay?

>> No.18455365

>>18448359
"Proust? That's not literature." — Cormac McCarthy

>> No.18457155

>>18455365
McCarthy doesn't get it

>> No.18457324

>>18453903
>It is a commentary on the bourgeois homo condition which is as of yet unrivaled in its level of depth
FTFY

>> No.18457377

>>18457155
“there are pages, there are chapters of Marcel Proust that are unacceptable as inventions, and we unwittingly resign ourselves to them as we resign ourselves to the insipidity and emptiness of each day.” --- Jorge Luis Borges

"To be absolutely honest, apart from the opening volume of Proust, I find him crushingly dull." --- Kazuo Ishiguro

"I have read some pages of his. I cannot see any special talent but I am a bad critic." --- James Joyce in a 1920 letter to Frank Budgen

"I am reading Proust for the first time. Very poor stuff. I think he was mentally defective." --- Evelyn Waugh

"Prout Proust, who was half ghost, immersed himself with extraordinary tenacity in the infinitely watery futility of the rites and procedures that entwine the members of high society, those denizens of the void, those phantoms of desire, those irresolute daisy-chainers still waiting for their Watteau, those listless seekers after implausible Cythereas." --- Louis Ferdinand Celine

"Proust? That's not literature" --- Cormac McCarthy

>> No.18458198

>>18457377
>"Prout Proust, who was half ghost, immersed himself with extraordinary tenacity in the infinitely watery futility of the rites and procedures that entwine the members of high society, those denizens of the void, those phantoms of desire, those irresolute daisy-chainers still waiting for their Watteau, those listless seekers after implausible Cythereas." --- Louis Ferdinand Celine

based celine

don't forget this one "300 pages to learn that Tuto is sodomizing Toto...it's too much."

>> No.18458245

>>18457377
Now post what Vladimir Nabokov said about him. Also Borges' criticism is directed at specific sections and not the whole book.

>> No.18458266

>>18458245
>Nabokov
You mean the contrarian critic? Like people take his other opinions seriously that they will now.
Borges did not like him in general even if he didn't come down hard on him.

>> No.18458319

>>18458266
If you want to pull out the big names, Nabokov thought he was the greatest of the 20th century. It is really sad that since you got nothing out of Proust you try to dissuade others from reading him.

>> No.18458383

>>18458319
And Joyce thought him nothing special.
>dissuade others from reading him.
Thus saving their time.

>> No.18458598

>>18458319
> Nabokov thought he was the greatest of the 20th century.

But he also said to stop reading after the 3rd volume.

>> No.18458605

Reminder that Proust was a neurotic atheist and the core premise of the book revolves around believing his mom was a great parent.

>> No.18458610

>>18458383
>saving time
ngmi

>> No.18458615

>>18458610
>searching for lost time

>> No.18458618

>>18458610
More like, saving their minds. Proust is thousands of pages of paralysis analysis neurosis that he wants his reader to have too.

>> No.18458625

>>18448359
I despise stories.
Stories are for movies.
What I care about is the writing.

>> No.18458648

>>18458625
Wow, now that is as pseud as it gets.

>> No.18458761

proustfags WILL defend the 200 page digression about the dreyfus affair in vol. 3

>> No.18458785

>>18458598
Do you have a quote where he says that? I only heard of him praising Proust.

>> No.18458819

>>18458605
literally nothing wrong with this

>> No.18458835

>>18458785
do your homework, chud...this is well known

>> No.18458883

>>18458835
Okay, thanks.

>> No.18459236

>>18457377
You can include this criticism from a publisher to whom Swann's Way was submitted.

"I can not understand why a gentleman should employ thirty pages to describe how he turns and returns on his bed before going to sleep."

>> No.18459494

nooo my favorite authors were jealous seething about Proust. I love Proust but need to be validated by outside sources. wat do.

>> No.18459577

>>18459494
Do you dislike Nabokov and Harold Bloom?

>> No.18459875

>>18458198
Kek.